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While DOCSIS 3.0 testing ramps up in the States...
(old news - 06:29PM Monday Sep 17 2007)
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UK Cable operator Virgin Media has entered the second phase of a channel bonding pre-DOCSIS 3.0 technology trial that offers subscribers 50Mbps service for £47 ($65). Users in Ashford, Folkestone and Dover in the United Kingdom are seeing the service, which utilizes channel bonding technology -- a key part of the as-yet unfinished DOCSIS 3.0 (and EuroDOCSIS) standard. Says the company's website:
The new 50 Mbps service (with 1.5 Mbps Upstream) is a Phase 2 pilot that will run from 1st October to 31st December 2007. So, if you're on the XL service, that's just £30 extra for 3 months of the fastest broadband in the country!
These kind of pre-cert trials are growing in popularity worldwide as vendors like Cisco push pre-certification gear. Back here in the States, CableLabs is getting ready to start testing DOCSIS 3.0 modems and termination systems starting in October. Cablelabs will be offering three tiers of certification to help nudge some of this pre-cert gear along:
"People familiar with the program say Bronze will test against downstream channel bonding and IPv6, while Silver will add upstream channel bonding and the spec's Advanced Encryption System (AES)."

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sansri88
Go digtal you analog laggards
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join:2005-12-17
Iselin, NJ
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Comcast, please!!

Please test it here whenever you decide to start testing!!

gvalinoti

@verizon.net

mehhh

mehhh wake me up when they have more upstream bandwidth...

jlanci

join:2005-08-30
Staten Island, NY

u have got to be kidding me

The new 50 Mbps service (with 1.5 Mbps Upstream)

It figures... they offer you all that bandwidth and then skimp out on the upload. What a waste.
fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20

Re: u have got to be kidding me

A waste? to you? yes.. to those that operate the business? no. Truth is, and most people don't want to see this or accept it, but the majority of people download, not upload.

1.5 isn't the greatest, but it's better than 384 or 512.

What would be "not a waste" to you? and answer it in two ways..

1) Answer it as yourself based on your end use
2) Answer it as if you were the CTO of the company providing the service.

If it were me? I'd like to see them push out at 2 or 5.. but right now, *at this time* if I were running a business and taking into account ALL aspects and sides of the issue, I wouldn't be jumping out of my seat to do a 50/50 or 100/100 plan right now.. just not cost effective in this country.. and especially in pre-cert gear.
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jlanci

join:2005-08-30
Staten Island, NY

Re: u have got to be kidding me

said by fiberguy See Profile :

A waste? to you? yes.. to those that operate the business? no. Truth is, and most people don't want to see this or accept it, but the majority of people download, not upload.

-Agree

1.5 isn't the greatest, but it's better than 384 or 512.

-Agree, the higher the better

What would be "not a waste" to you? and answer it in two ways..

1) Answer it as yourself based on your end use
2) Answer it as if you were the CTO of the company providing the service.

-Honestly I would love to have faster speeds, because right now my so called 10/500k sucks. I can tell when someone is using the internet (my brother gaming on the other computer) or on our Vonage phone. My web pages load terribly slow. Not so slow but to me definately noticeable. Maybe its because I'm a techy and I just notice things like that and they bug me, I dunno. If I were the CTO of the company then I say if you got it then use it. Who knows people and I'm talking big businesses may want and pay for it. You never know unless you try, but in Telecom Corporate America the big ISP's think they know whats best for you. I just don't want them to make those decisions.

If it were me? I'd like to see them push out at 2 or 5.. but right now, *at this time* if I were running a business and taking into account ALL aspects and sides of the issue, I wouldn't be jumping out of my seat to do a 50/50 or 100/100 plan right now.. just not cost effective in this country.. and especially in pre-cert gear.

-Basically my point is it just looks a little wierd to have that much speed and a small chunk of it upload, I mean look at it on a bar graph it would look silly. About the cost, the reason it is so high is because they don't sell that gear to make money back to pay for it so that manufacturing costs can go down.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

not docsis 3.0

more like doctheupload 48.5mbit?

Bugs Bunny had it right...

Beeeah, what UP, doc?
1.5?
1.5?

That's not enough, folks.

jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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Re: not docsis 3.0

not suprising. oversell the download and ignore the upload. but then they would have to deal with illegal file sharing taking up more bandwidth. hmm it would still be nice to have faster upload. you can get a faster upload in the states.
compton

join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY

Yep, where is the upstream.

Companies don't want to give too much upstream, because it costs them money. Their way of controlling cost is to limit upstream.
openbox9

join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast

Re: Yep, where is the upstream.

There's a cost for everything.

Take your pick. More upstream would equal:
- Tighter caps
- More shaping efforts
- More expensive service
- Lesser service quality

All-in-all, 1.5 Mbps is fairly good IMO for a residential account...especially for that price. Yes, it is out of proportion with the download bandwidth, but I assume the 50 Mbps is there mainly as a marketing tactic. "Hey, look how fast our service is."

ztmike
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast

Comcast where you at?

"Back here in the States, CableLabs is getting ready to start testing DOCSIS 3.0 modems and termination systems starting in October."

Does this mean maybe the major cable companys will be starting docsis 3 next month? In FiOS areas only probably..
wvcaver
Premium
join:2005-04-17
Millersburg, OH

Re: Comcast where you at?

And then there sit's Embarq !

Lowtarget
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join:2003-12-22
Alger, OH
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Re: Comcast where you at?

Keeping the current docsis 2 in mind. Most cable companys dont offer speeds close to maxing out docsis 2 yet.

beat_this

@verizon.net

Re: Comcast where you at?

said by Lowtarget See Profile :

Keeping the current docsis 2 in mind. Most cable companys dont offer speeds close to maxing out docsis 2 yet.
Try maxing out the 1.X spec first... 38mbit down, 9.X up...
the cheapskates, build more nodes and deploy more fiber.
majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY

why

Why only go at 50Mbps? Boost wich has an uncapped download and runs at the max of docsis 2 is about 38Mbps. Shouldnt they start with something higher?

scooterr50

join:2007-08-08

available in america?

if so, then sign me up. i would pay that and more for those speeds. i pay more than that now for a fraction of those speeds.

Cuchulainn
The Roar of the Masses Could be Farts

join:2000-11-09
Chevy Chase, MD
·Verizon FIOS


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Oh Puleeze!

This is Virgin Media - F.K.A. ntHell. They will find a way to screw it up. And you'll be on the phone at 50p a minute to Bengalooristan, fighting for tech support with some barely literate Martian at the other end of the phone who is INSISTING that the problem is a virus or peer to peer software.

Virgin Media will go belly up before this gets anywhere. Keep in mind they have a large, nearly-unserviceable debt burden as it is right now. Where are they going to find the cash to roll this out? Branson going to pull half a billion quid out of his arse?
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BillRoland
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join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs:

Article is wrong

47 GBP equals 93.59 USD

Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
Premium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast

Question for the Cable Experts..

How much of a upgrade is required to go from Doc 1.0/1.1 to Doc 3.0, compared to Doc 2.0 to Doc 3.0? In other words, if a MSO has a network operating in Doc 2.0 and a network operating in Doc 1.0/1.1, which network are they more likely to upgrade first?

RARPSL

join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY

Re: Question for the Cable Experts..

said by Rob See Profile :

How much of a upgrade is required to go from Doc 1.0/1.1 to Doc 3.0, compared to Doc 2.0 to Doc 3.0? In other words, if a MSO has a network operating in Doc 2.0 and a network operating in Doc 1.0/1.1, which network are they more likely to upgrade first?
The upgrade to 3.0 REQUIRES that the Nodes be split since 3.0 bonding means that your modem is talking via more than one channel at the same time and thus there needs to be more Channels to support the same number of customers on the node (IOW: A 3.0 node running at 50Mbs can support less users than a 30Mbs node with 3 or so users per Channel so you must split the node to keep the concurrent bandwidth down). 1.x/2.0 allocates only one channel per user so even if more than one user is assigned the same channel, you can get more users on a node than with 3.0 (since a maxed out channel will not affect the users on a different channel).
AMDonUT2004

join:2006-06-12
Bedford, VA

more upload speed

didn't know that Virgin was an isp, but know i know, 50mbps for 65 a month in the Uk is good, but plz! more upload speed plz!! not 1.5mbps, 2!

aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

Re: more upload speed

I'll keep my 30mbs down and 5mbs up from FIOS for $55 a month. Although I do still have my Comcast 8mbs tier connected but it doesn't compare. And hopefully FIOS will bump up the tier to 50/5 sometime in the next 6 months.
benc
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
·Charter Pipeline
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Callcentric
·AT&T Midwest

Meh...

I'd rather have 16/8 instead. If anything, I consider upload to be more important than download. Download almost always exceeds the upload anyway

But then again I like the ability to run servers and allow for RDP/VNC at a decent speed. So I suppose a "residential" package is likely to be useless to me, unless it somehow doesn't have a "no servers allowed" clause.

NeO_JAW
Arsenal Are No1
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Surrey, UK
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Virgin is capped!

Virgin Media are introduced speed capping measures that for users who download large amounts from the Net during peak hours. Peak hours have been defined as 4pm to midnight which is much longer than for most other ISPs, who consider 6pm to 10pm to be the peak.

Virgin claim that only 5% of downloaders will be affected, but looking at the bands I’m not too sure:

* M tier users who download over 350MB will have their speed capped at 1Mbps during peak
* L tier users who download over 750MB will have their speed restricted to 2Mbps during peak
* XL users who download over 3GB in peak hours will have their speed restricted to 5Mbps
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Cozworth
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join:2003-06-10
england
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Their network can't cope with 20Mb yet!

Since they upgraded the 10mb service to 20mb, they have had to introduce peak time capping as a way to stop the system fall over, and it hasn't worked a lot of the time. There are countless stories of paying for 20mb and getting 2mb.

I stuck with the 2mb service because I don't need the extra, but a lot of the heavier users have gone to ADSL LLU providers such as Be, who offer unlimited 24mb/1.3, and seem to be very solid.

Pity I can't get it in my area.
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