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join:2001-11-21
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clubs: | Improvements? Just fix the bugs for now! I don't care about adding features, just fix the damn bugs!
Or just release DX10 for XP, that would make me even happier. | |
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MysticGogeta
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clubs: | Re: Improvements? Just fix the bugs for now! If they release DX10 I won't upgrade for at least a year. DX10 sucks.
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join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL
| Re: Improvements? Just fix the bugs for now! said by MysticGogeta  :If they release DX10 I won't upgrade for at least a year. DX10 sucks. That didn't make any sense. | |
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@qwest.net | Re: Improvements? Just fix the bugs for now! It makes perfect sense. He won't upgrade because it has something that he doesn't want because the new version would be regarded as worse. | |
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| JDCMAN
join:2006-02-23
Somers, NY
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| I haven't had that many bugs on my Vista x64 copy. File transfers are slower than XP (why???), but I hear that Vista SP1 fixes this.
Luckily, MS has said that SP1 is a bugfix/stability release, not a "oooh, new shiny buttons!" release  | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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| Re: Improvements? Just fix the bugs for now! said by JDCMAN :I haven't had that many bugs on my Vista x64 copy. File transfers are slower than XP (why???), but I hear that Vista SP1 fixes this. Luckily, MS has said that SP1 is a bugfix/stability release, not a "oooh, new shiny buttons!" release I've been running the release candidate of SP1 on my copy of Vista x64 and it's a night and day difference. All the little stupid ass annoying bugs seem to have been taken care of. | |
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Nhatters
join:2004-01-24
Oklahoma City, OK | Thank gosh! That was driving me crazy! | |
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Airwolf
Don't be shy now. Come on, catch a ride
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2 edits | Excellent! Ready, set and...
I'll let you finish this one yourself.
Too bad Microsoft won't allow you to slipstream it. Sucks, causes I guess there's a Hotfix in SP1 for SB600 and AHCI with the installation.
»support.microsoft.com/kb/931369 | |
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join:2006-02-23
Somers, NY
·Optimum Online
| Re: Excellent! No slipstreaming? That's a major step backwards, I was definitely going to make a slipstreamed SP1 ISO for my Retail copy. That really, really, really sucks.
Maybe I'll have to get the 7 CD version in a few months when they deplete the "gold" stock and start sending out SP1 cds. I'd prefer an SP1 DVD, but the integrated installs are so much better...fewer bugs, don't have to download all of the updates, less issues, faster... | |
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Shoot to kill
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
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| said by Airwolf :Too bad Microsoft won't allow you to slipstream it. Sucks, causes I guess there's a Hotfix in SP1 for SB600 and AHCI with the installation. » support.microsoft.com/kb/931369 Where did you hear that SP1 won't be capable of being slipstreamed? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious where you got your information. I haven't seen anything about that yet (granted, I haven't been actively researching the subject either).
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redxii
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| Re: Excellent! "Slipstreaming" SP1 involves installing Windows XP/Vista on the first partition and installing some tools, then installing Vista again on another partition (other than the first/boot partition), and after setup immediately go into an audit mode (using sysprep) and then installing SP1, then afterwards finishing using the imagex tool in the other install to create a new install.wim from the contents of the "slipstreamed" partition. But this has a limitation: it can only be used for one edition. If you "slipstream" Home Basic, then you'll only be able to install Home Basic. vLite could use the SP1 package to slipstream an offline image, however, in the recent betas they took steps to prevent offline slipstreaming.
IMHO, installing Vista SP1 is a really time-consuming task unlike previous OSes.
There is also Office 2007 SP1. I argued that putting the SP1 setup file in a folder called "Updates" is NOT slipstreaming, and someone instead said it is but 'just not a method I'm used to'. That's a "post-setup task," the source files remain untouched without updated versions, and after setup, it runs the service pack setup.
So the last slipstreamable Office is 2003 and OS is Server 2003 and XP. Those service packs update the source files so you are installing XP SP2, not XP SP0 THEN SP2. As always Microsoft provides updated sources, but with Vista if you want it to work with all editions, you have to plop down hundreds of dollars and maybe thousands for an MSDN subscription. All for a DVD that costs maybe a dollar. Replacement media with SP1 may be as much as $30. | |
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| Re: Excellent! Thanks for the heads up. What a PITA! I'm a big fan of creating customized ISO's that take care of everything in one fell swoop. The last time I did that was with nLite and XP/SP2 though, so it sounds like it's time to start reading up again.
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JDCMAN
join:2006-02-23
Somers, NY
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| Release date optimistic? I've heard a lot of great things about Vista SP1. I have a 64-bit version running on my home machine that works extremely well, file transfer ops are a bit slow, but I hear that SP1 improves that massively.
A Monday release seems a bit optimistic though. Wasn't Windows XP SP2 RTM'd on August 6th 2004, provided as a standalone update on August 9th, and distributed by Windows Update on the 16th?
It seems optimistic that Vista SP1 would appear tomorrow without a couple days notice for admins to get ready to test it and prevent any possible WSUS problems (if they don't want to update yet)...
Also, pirates beware. Many online copies of Vista that were no-key were actually not VLKs, they were fake emulated BIOS chips. Vista SP1 has countermeasures that disables many of these emulated chip copies. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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2 edits | Re: Release date optimistic? If they release it tomorrow, it will be just for technet and OEM's, business partners, etc.
For the rest of us, if they release it, it will be on tuesday.
Go spinning Blue Donut! HAHAHAHA  If you use Vista, you will get that. | |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
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| Re: Release date optimistic? said by gaforces :If they release it tomorrow, it will be just for technet and OEM's, business partners, etc. For the rest of us, if they release it, it will be on tuesday. Go spinning Blue Donut! HAHAHAHA That touches on my question---do you think it will be that fast? I have a few relatives with Vista, and I want to give them the heads up.
Do you think it will be released to Auto Updates/Windows Update that quickly? I want to give my relatives the heads up, but I don't want to let them know them too far in advance where they'll forget.
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
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·Cruzio Internet
1 edit | Re: Release date optimistic? It's close to the originally announced release date, and MS usually makes their deadlines. I'd say it's a good chance but sometimes excrement happens and MS is not immune to it.
Just have to wait and see. I'm not telling my relatives and clients for a week or 2 after release to test it out myself first. I think most of em ignore the windows update notices anyways.
I really hope to see less of the spinning blue donut
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jrobert69
How High?
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Rochester, NH
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| I like Vista 64 so dont get me wrong, sp1 update is good to hear and Ill get it as soon as its available. With a bit of sarcasm and genuine concern I wonder how long it will take to get the patch to fix the bugs in sp1
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There never was a second I in my name
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join:2005-04-27
Salem, MA
| There's no fresh piracy protection. I've been running Vista under an emulated HP OEM Bios (worked wonders for WGA too :]). I installed the Beta of SP1 and my Vista was still activated with no issues. I expect the final will be the same.
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join:2002-05-28
Tallmadge, OH
·AT&T U-Verse
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| Re: Release date optimistic? I don't think MS incorporated their anti-piracy measures on the betas of SP1 as they didn't want to see them become cracked even before SP1 was released.
The final version, by all the accounts I've been reading, is going to have the OEM BIOS crack disabled. | |
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There never was a second I in my name
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| Re: Release date optimistic? Could I possibly have a link to these accounts? AFAIK, I actually read they toned DOWN the anti-piracy measures (»blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/···k-1.html).
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Enjoy the sun
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1 edit | »www.informationweek.com/manageme···06103605
Microsoft said Monday that it has released the first major update for its Windows Vista operating system to manufacturing, meaning the software will be ready for general distribution in the coming weeks.
Vista SP1 will be available in mid-March through Microsoft's online Windows Update service and through the download center on Microsoft.com. »www.pcpro.co.uk/news/162381/driv···k-1.html
Microsoft has announced that Vista Service Pack 1 has been released to manufacturing - but it's being held back from public release until mid-March.
Microsoft claims a series of driver issues is preventing the company from offering the Service Pack for download immediately.
As a result, Microsoft will now tweak Windows Update so that systems running the faulty drivers don't download Service Pack 1. "While we know that most customers who update from Windows Vista to SP1 will NOT be affected, our approach is to improve the experience for all our customers," says Nash.
"To do this, we will begin making SP1 available through Windows Update in mid-March, giving us time to work with some of our hardware partners to make adjustments to the installation process for the affected drivers."
Microsoft will then start delivering SP1 to Vista users running automatic updates in mid-April, but once again, those people with the faulty drivers will miss out. "As updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from getting Service Pack 1. | |
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crippy
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some place | cure to all problems ?? :o i hope it comes out, ive been dying to get a new pc but just the thought of it coming with vista would keep me away from it.. as i really hate my laptop with vista on it... i hope this can be the cure to all the problems | |
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join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | Re: beta is available Ditto. I installed RC1 and it added more bugs rather than fixed bugs. My wifi card in the laptop stopped working, file transfers were slower, etc. | |
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL
| Re: beta is available I installed whatever version they had out a few weeks ago and it didnt cause any new problems that I have noticed. It did seriously speed up network transfers though. Went from an average of 3mbps to 10mbps.
What problems are you guys having so I know what to watch for?
Also, how much of a pain in the ass is it going to be to uninstall this one and install the official one? | |
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join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: beta is available This is just my experience so I think it varies from person to person. I installed the RC1 version the day it came out. It wasn't until a few days later that my laptop just flat out refused to associate with wifi points. It was incredibly annoying because I was on the road trying to connect to the free wifi in my hotel room. I uninstalled RC1 through Add/Remove Programs, but had no luck. I had to FORMAT and start over fresh and my wireless worked again. | |
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Shoot to kill
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| said by Boogeyman :Went from an average of 3mbps to 10mbps. Please confirm -- Did you mean Mbps or MB/s? 10 Mbps is horribly slow in terms of file tranfers within your LAN...
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
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join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL | Re: beta is available Its MB/s. If it was mbps I would just burn it to a dvd and copy that to the other pc. | |
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amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
clubs:
| anyone know ...If they finally fixed the explorer bug where it never seems to remember your settings???
Drives me nuts to open up a folder and see huge icons when I specifically set it to small ones. Control panel especially. Bothersome to constantly have to change view settings from giant oversized icons, to small ones.
I'll still give it some time while others test it and provide feedback. | |
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crippy
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some place | Re: anyone know i wonder if they even care to check their own operating systems before releasing in the market sometimes _ | |
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SLD
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join:2002-04-17
·Comcast
1 edit | Server 2008 rumors? That is a stupid concept. Why would MS not give an exact release date for the Server product since it is business software. Yeah, like MS is going to make all their business customers guess when the release will be rather than tell them exactly... No one could plan deployments. The source article gave the release date, not a rumor. | |
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join:2002-07-09
Tucson, AZ
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| Re: Server 2008 rumors? Yeah, not only that, Microsoft's own website has a countdown timer on it for the launch event. The time is set to expire in 24 days or on the 27th which is the date mentioned in the article. »www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2···ult.mspx | |
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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| whoopty i a I am still on XP and I dont feel like i am missing anything. I don't want to upgrade and have my computer run slower. If i wanted something like vista i would get ubuntu and byril for the aero style graphics.
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@cgocable.net | Re: whoopty i a vista what? who cares, I certianly don't... switched to mac and never been happier,
in a perfect world mac OSX would work on custom pcs,
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David_
La vida es bella
join:2001-01-28
chile
| Why can`t microsoft get it right the first time around... This is Micro$oft we are talking about , Vista is the worst OS since windows ME. It`s probably better to expect for a SP2 or SP3 at least before even trying vista...
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Shoot to kill
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Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Why can`t microsoft get it right the first time around... said by David_ :This is Micro$oft we are talking about , Vista is the worst OS since windows ME. It`s probably better to expect for a SP2 or SP3 at least before even trying vista... I wouldnt install vista again on any of my machines... just my 2 pesos... I've been very pleased with Vista. It's worked flawlessly (aside from slow file transfers) on every machine I've used it on. Mind you, I'm a complete Linux fanboy (Suse and Fedora in particular). I certainly wouldn't pay the outrageous prices they're asking for it though.
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Trooper
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USA
| Sweet Well I for one have had no problems with Vista, guess its just luck, or my hardware is digging it overall. I am looking forward to SP1 to see what improvements have been made.
As for comparing Vista to ME, hardly in my opinion.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Well I have not Seen anything yet to cause be to switch from XP. I know I will go to Vista eventually but I am in no hurry.
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ARGONAUT
got ping?
join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN
| Re: Sweet said by Trooper :Well I for one have had no problems with Vista, guess its just luck, or my hardware is digging it overall. I am looking forward to SP1 to see what improvements have been made. As for comparing Vista to ME, hardly in my opinion. Same here, I'm not having any issues.
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OCP
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USA | OEM with SP1? Does anyone have any guesses on how long it will take Newegg, ZZF and such to get the DVD with SP1 installed as one with the OS? I'm only concerned with the OEM disks. | |
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lefty1
join:2002-10-25
Clay, NY
| No improvement Vista SP1 removes the 'Search' feature when you right-click on a drive or folder. That's gonna cause lots of problems for less-inexperienced users, and a pain-in-the-derriere for the rest. I know they did it to appease Google, but does anyone know how to put it back in? Is there a registry hack to fix it? | |
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Dan
Hamilton Tigers?
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join:2002-12-17
Eh?
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| Bashing Vista I honestly believe that those who are bashing vista have not used it for an extensive amount of time.
A. System is stable, has not crashed once on me.
B. Quick startup (30 seconds tops)
C. Compatible with everything i've installed (games to audio apps)? YES
D. HTPC integration is better than xp.
I have had enough people complaining every thread of ever ms related article about vista.
We get it, vista is not your flavour. All I have to say is between using XP for 5 years, then Vista, after 1 hour of setup, my settings are the same, no warning messages, as zippy as xp, and no limitations on programs.
I believe the Vista bashing a moot point, as people need about a month to adjust to a new system. It's just like getting a new razor. It takes time to get used to, but once you do it will perform as well, if not better.
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mlerner
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
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join:2001-12-09
clubs: | Re: Server 2008 on TechNet Yep, seeing them on my MSDN account also. | |
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nbicomputers
join:2002-03-31
Bronx, NY | today i just checked with microsoft and sp1 has already been released to manufacturing RTM and will be in the general public in march
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