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Vista's First Service Pack Will Hit In March
Bug fixes, network transfer speed improvements
As rumors predicted, Microsoft today officially announced the March release of Windows Vista Service Pack One, which the company hopes will fix many of the annoyances that have made the OS launch rocky. According to an official Microsoft blog post by Mike Nash, network file transfer speed should be substantially improved:
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SP1 also includes changes focused on improving the performance of Windows Vista in areas that impact the customer experience the most. For instance, with SP1, copying or moving files around your PC, your home network or your corporate network should now be much faster -- up to 50% faster in some scenarios (according to our internal tests). In addition, on many kinds of hardware, resuming a Windows Vista-based PC from sleep is faster on Service Pack 1.
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Tomek
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XP SP3

I heard somewhere that XP SP3 will be faster than vista SP1
So I'm waiting for SP3

C0deZer0
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Re: XP SP3

Speaking of which, where the hell is XP SP3?

I'm waiting on that before I try doing another clean install of the OS.
caveman000
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Re: XP SP3

right here it is

»www.microsoft.com/downlo ··· yLang=en

C0deZer0
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Re: XP SP3

My only objection is that it's still "Release candidate" status; if it was RTM at least, I know it should be okay, or a final build of it.

It is extremely tempting , but I will have to hold off.
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Its pointless to wait for XP SP3 because Windows XP is being faced out by the end of January 2008. So if your computer can upgrad it to Vista and wait for Vista SP1 to come. Microsoft doesn't seem to care if SP3 will make XP run faster than Vista SP1.

C0deZer0
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Re: XP SP3

said by floydb1982:

Its pointless to wait for XP SP3 because Windows XP is being faced out by the end of January 2008. So if your computer can upgrad it to Vista and wait for Vista SP1 to come. Microsoft doesn't seem to care if SP3 will make XP run faster than Vista SP1.
It is also pointless to downgrade to Vista because everything I've got works as it should in Windows XP, where I know for a fact that it won't in Vista.
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Why bother with XP anymore? The way I hear it Microsoft ended all support for it just this January of 2008. So no need to make a big over something that has no Microsoft support anymore.

C0deZer0
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Re: XP SP3

said by floydb1982:

Why bother with XP anymore? The way I hear it Microsoft ended all support for it just this January of 2008. So no need to make a big over something that has no Microsoft support anymore.
And you would be wrong.

XP Home was phased out as soon as Windows Vista came to be. Pro, MCE and all the other versions are still being supported by Microsoft with patches, updates, etc.

The fact that there is an RC build of SP3 puts the lie to your statement.

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Goes to PC builders now; but bugs stopped general release

»www.pcpro.co.uk/news/162 ··· k-1.html
Microsoft has announced that Vista Service Pack 1 has been released to manufacturing - but it's being held back from public release until mid-March.

Microsoft claims a series of driver issues is preventing the company from offering the Service Pack for download immediately.

As a result, Microsoft will now tweak Windows Update so that systems running the faulty drivers don't download Service Pack 1. "While we know that most customers who update from Windows Vista to SP1 will NOT be affected, our approach is to improve the experience for all our customers," says Nash.

"To do this, we will begin making SP1 available through Windows Update in mid-March, giving us time to work with some of our hardware partners to make adjustments to the installation process for the affected drivers."

Microsoft will then start delivering SP1 to Vista users running automatic updates in mid-April, but once again, those people with the faulty drivers will miss out. "As updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from getting Service Pack 1.
So, even in March, some won't be able to get the update if they have the incompatible with SP1 drivers.

Hookem99
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Beta Testing

I have been Beta testing SP1 for some time. I have not noticed a huge jump in performance.
travelguy
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Re: Beta Testing

said by Hookem99:

I have been Beta testing SP1 for some time. I have not noticed a huge jump in performance.
Same here. It may help on some of the file copy slowdowns, but not so much as you would notice.
ender7074
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No problems here

Funny, I havent noticed any "performance issues" with Vista at all. I also have a computer that can actually run it. Funny how that works... Its the exact same thing as the switch to XP from Win 9x. If you have the hardware, it probably will run just fine. If you dont have the hardware, dont complain. And yes, the drivers were sketchy at first but I havent had any issues in a good 6 months.

Mr Peabody
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Re: No problems here

I have a fast enough system to run Vista also, but when it takes 5 minutes to write 5MB to an SD card, something is definitely wrong with the OS.

jester121
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Re: No problems here

It means the drivers are screwed up.

Mr Peabody
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Re: No problems here

I just used the SD card as an example. File transfers to and from anywhere run at a snail's pace be it over ethernet, WiFi, SD card and even folder to folder within Explorer.
ender7074
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Re: No problems here

Now that you mention that, I have run into that one. I don't do much transfering of files around though so its not as noticable for me. I stand corrected.
gaforces (banned)
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Funny, I have noticed performance issues and I have higher system specs than required for vista.
Took me 30 minutes to record a 30 sec sound file and get it to CD. »[Vista] Access denied to My Documents
The hardware developers are still releasing new hardware that isn't fully compatible with vista, or is severely crippled.
That they are still having hardware driver issues shows how much support and cooperation there is for vista among the hardware developers.
Why should they develop for vista when it's being dumped and replaced? ie Windows 7
Why should we buy vista when it is going to be dumped and replaced?
Where are the vista ultimate perks we were supposed to be able to enjoy?
Vista fails to live up to expectations and promises.
ender7074
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Re: No problems here

By that rationale why bother ever upgrading? Every few years, or even months, something new is going to come out so why ever upgrade? You had one problem with one tiny aspect of Vista. That makes the entire system flawed and not worthy of an upgrade? Nonsense. Developers had 6 years to perfect drivers and software for XP. It won't take them long to get it down for Vista, or Windows 7, or whatever is coming down the pipe. Vista runs just fine. It runs a ton better than XP did when it was released. Trust me. I beta tested both OSs and Vista is far superior at launch than XP was. The funny thing is that in 3-5 years, when the next OS comes out, the same people will be saying the same thing and bitching about the exact same issues..... Is Vista perfect, no, but neither is XP and at least Vista supports much more advanced features than XP ever will.
gaforces (banned)
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Re: No problems here

Too many false statements to respond to all of them. I was also a beta tester for XP, and I don't agree at all. With any part of your post.
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Re: No problems here

said by gaforces:

Too many false statements to respond to all of them. I was also a beta tester for XP, and I don't agree at all. With any part of your post.
Disagree all you want. The fact is that XP was in much worse shape at launch than Vista. But feel free to disagree. I don't care one bit.
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One small aspect? Why bother having a network if you can't transfer files between machines? When I go on the road and shoot videos or take photos I store them on my laptop hard drive. When I get home I move them to my new (Vista) machine. This is something I do very frequently. One man's small aspect is another man's "mission critical".

Luckily for me, my transfer speeds have gotten much better. They still are nowhere near what they were between two XP machines over my 802.11G network.
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said by gaforces:

FWhy should they develop for vista when it's being dumped and replaced? ie Windows 7
Why should we buy vista when it is going to be dumped and replaced?
Why should we buy Version N of any software at all, when there will be a Version N+1?

(And if there isn't going to be a Version N+1, then we don't want to touch Version N, because it's already at the end of its development life).
gaforces (banned)
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Re: No problems here

If N+1 was worth it and ran without problems, then thats fine, but that is not the case.
If N+1 helped make you more productive, that's fine, but that is not the case.

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said by dave:
said by gaforces:

FWhy should they develop for vista when it's being dumped and replaced? ie Windows 7
Why should we buy vista when it is going to be dumped and replaced?
Why should we buy Version N of any software at all, when there will be a Version N+1?

(And if there isn't going to be a Version N+1, then we don't want to touch Version N, because it's already at the end of its development life).
Simple answer for me. I don't/won't!
Why should I? I'm protected with NAT/firewall. That right there, tells me I have no need to play "keep up with the Jones's" and upgrade just because I can.

I'll be sticking with XP Pro for a long time to come.
If I don't dump Windows completely and go Linux, which is loaded on all machines and is the OS of choice/default boot.

C0deZer0
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XP provided some very obvious benefits over Win9x and to a lesser extent, Win2k. So being able to run XP was a very nice benefit, no matter how old the hardware was.

Somehow, there really doesn't seem to be a whole lot that would make Windows Vista worth running, especially if you're able to run XP instead.
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I've been dual booting Vista with XP SP2 since Vista's release (both fresh installs at the time), on an E4500/2GB/7600GT machine, and the performance difference is more than obvious. If there were an easy way to get Media Center on my XP Pro install (without formatting and installing XP MCE obviously), I probably wouldn't bother with Vista at all. I don't have much use for it otherwise. Everything I need to do, I can pretty much do quicker in XP, which includes a lot of Photoshop work, some 3D, Flash, etc.

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Re: No problems here

If you look on usenet and BT, you'll find there are conversion programs. I've used one and, while a long process, worked perfectly.

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Much Ado

over nothing really, the SP1 pack won't change businesses mind to stick with Windows XP.

ExecPro
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Re: Much Ado

Yes, but now when they have to purchase new machines, they will be more willing to jump to Vista instead of sticking with XP. I have many clients that still request XP even on new machines because of Vista's issues. However, now that SP1 is coming, it will be easier to persuade them to switch.

jester121
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Re: Much Ado

I have yet to see any compelling reason to use Vista Business instead of XP Pro. My clients don't want eye candy for their users.
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said by ExecPro:

Yes, but now when they have to purchase new machines, they will be more willing to jump to Vista instead of sticking with XP. I have many clients that still request XP even on new machines because of Vista's issues. However, now that SP1 is coming, it will be easier to persuade them to switch.
Microsoft is happy to make that decision for them, for everyone in fact. OEMs must stop selling Windows XP computers on June 30th.
gaforces (banned)
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The problem is, many of them have purchased new laptops with vista and office 2007.
They will seek any salvation from the bloated, slow, and under-performing machines they are straddled with.
Using equipment that is crippled by an OS has made them critical of MS and will affect their future buying decisions.

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Networking on Vista blows.

I don't think speeds are the problem, how about stupid things. If I switch from a wireless connection to ethernet and try to access other computers on my network, only way I can do it is manually type in the path to each PC. The XP computers have trouble picking up my vista laptop as well.

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MrMaster
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Vista sp1 should make more improvements

I run Vista on my laptop and personal computers. After a few months now, I am not very impressed. It is just too bloated.

Jack2131
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WinXP SP3, Maybe Next March 2009

Microsoft tend to, well tend not to support their older products, and actually lose money if they do. If I were Microsoft, I'd add a lot of "hidden" features in SP3 to make it slow down, open to virus attack.

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W8ASA
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Vista and the US Government

I'm talking in particular about the Dept of Defense/Military sites

I'm still told by government webmasters that Vista won't work on their sites. It has something to do with the way IE7 handles the security certificates. To get onto one site with IE7, I have to clock on that annoying "are you sure" security popup 7 (yes, seven) times.

IE6 works just fine, so I'll stick with XP on all my computers for now.

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drunkgoat
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RTM now

All is well and good, but where is the download link!

I'm not up for waiting until March to get it from windows update, give us the RTM link now!!

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bobgwen
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vista sp1

I run vista and the only thing that I don't like is when I go to delete something or move something in my network it says I don't have permission!!. I am running as administrator. I have to come back at a later time and delete the files or go through a bunch of things to look at why, why, why I can't do it. Very frustrating. Other than that it is ok. I hope they take care of this permission thing.
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No problems here.

I have been running Vista for what seems like a year and have had absolutely not problems with it. My printer/scanner worked just fine on the default windows drivers. In fact I dont remember any driver problems. I have been very happy with the OS. Its fast and pretty.

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In my opinion....

What Vista Home Premium Does Right
•Live search inside folders is killer. MUCH improved over XP's default indexed search companion.
•The OS *does* look nice.
•Troubleshooting tools work fairly well (like being able to get a visual layout of your LAN, error reporting and tracking of responses, etc) for the laymen user.
•Burning CDs is so simple a caveman could do it.
•Integrated Media Center capabilities means I don't need to have a separate dedicated OS.
•Seems to be designed to support wireless networks which is good...works well with them most of the time.
•No need to go to a separate website for Windows updates.
•Programs and Updates (formerly Add/Remove Programs) is a lot more intuitive.

What Vista Home Premium Does NOT Do Right
•File transfers. Ugh. Even from drive-to-drive on the same computer for some reason.
•Doesn't support Remote Desktop; you're forced to find a third party custom solution to enable it (meaning it exists in the OS, they just disabled it)
•Codec support is laughable. There are WMV files that won't play in Windows Media Player - the audio plays but not the video, and the player claims the codec is installed.
•Some drivers take ages to install where on XP it takes a matter of seconds.
•Resource hog.
•Time to desktop is absolutely insane. Sometimes in excess of a minute. The actual boot time (from power on to login screen) is zip fast, but after entering the login credentials, it takes way too long to get to a usable desktop.
•Randomly "forgets" your wireless information if you're using MAC security. It'll come back, but only after a long period of frustration.
•Because of aforementioned network and file transfer issues, frequently has problems backing itself up over a LAN.
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Re: In my opinion....

I think you can download SP1 RTM here:

»www.microsoft.com/downlo ··· yLang=en

ARGONAUT
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Re: In my opinion....

That's finial for business not the home user.

mikedz4
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ie7 sp1 or sp2?

where is ie7 sp1 or sp2? I want to use ie7 but it's too buggy without sp1 or sp2 so where can I download it?

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Vista issues

I run Vista Ultimate on a Dell XPS410, 4 gigs of ram (yes I know it only sees 3 of it), 6700 processor, ati hd2600 512mb video (for directx 10), dual tv tuner, etc. etc. etc. and I haven't had any issues with it at all. I might not be an extreme user to see all circumstances, but I may well be one of the few who are pleased and happy.

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