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Kent, WA
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| Its pointless to wait for XP SP3 because Windows XP is being faced out by the end of January 2008. So if your computer can upgrad it to Vista and wait for Vista SP1 to come. Microsoft doesn't seem to care if SP3 will make XP run faster than Vista SP1. | |
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C0deZer0
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Davenport, FL
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| Re: XP SP3 said by floydb_1982  :Its pointless to wait for XP SP3 because Windows XP is being faced out by the end of January 2008. So if your computer can upgrad it to Vista and wait for Vista SP1 to come. Microsoft doesn't seem to care if SP3 will make XP run faster than Vista SP1. It is also pointless to downgrade to Vista because everything I've got works as it should in Windows XP, where I know for a fact that it won't in Vista. | |
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| floydb_1982
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C0deZer0
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| Re: XP SP3 said by floydb_1982 :Why bother with XP anymore? The way I hear it Microsoft ended all support for it just this January of 2008. So no need to make a big over something that has no Microsoft support anymore. And you would be wrong.
XP Home was phased out as soon as Windows Vista came to be. Pro, MCE and all the other versions are still being supported by Microsoft with patches, updates, etc.
The fact that there is an RC build of SP3 puts the lie to your statement. | |
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|  Goes to PC builders now; but bugs stopped general release
Microsoft has announced that Vista Service Pack 1 has been released to manufacturing - but it's being held back from public release until mid-March.
Microsoft claims a series of driver issues is preventing the company from offering the Service Pack for download immediately.
As a result, Microsoft will now tweak Windows Update so that systems running the faulty drivers don't download Service Pack 1. "While we know that most customers who update from Windows Vista to SP1 will NOT be affected, our approach is to improve the experience for all our customers," says Nash.
"To do this, we will begin making SP1 available through Windows Update in mid-March, giving us time to work with some of our hardware partners to make adjustments to the installation process for the affected drivers."
Microsoft will then start delivering SP1 to Vista users running automatic updates in mid-April, but once again, those people with the faulty drivers will miss out. "As updates for these drivers become available, they will be installed automatically by Windows Update, which will unblock these systems from getting Service Pack 1. So, even in March, some won't be able to get the update if they have the incompatible with SP1 drivers.
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| Re: Beta Testing said by Hookem99 :I have been Beta testing SP1 for some time. I have not noticed a huge jump in performance. Same here. It may help on some of the file copy slowdowns, but not so much as you would notice. | |
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join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
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| No problems here Funny, I havent noticed any "performance issues" with Vista at all. I also have a computer that can actually run it. Funny how that works... Its the exact same thing as the switch to XP from Win 9x. If you have the hardware, it probably will run just fine. If you dont have the hardware, dont complain. And yes, the drivers were sketchy at first but I havent had any issues in a good 6 months. | |
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join:2001-01-05
Ingleside, IL | Re: No problems here I have a fast enough system to run Vista also, but when it takes 5 minutes to write 5MB to an SD card, something is definitely wrong with the OS. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: No problems here It means the drivers are screwed up. | |
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join:2001-01-05
Ingleside, IL | Re: No problems here I just used the SD card as an example. File transfers to and from anywhere run at a snail's pace be it over ethernet, WiFi, SD card and even folder to folder within Explorer. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: No problems here Now that you mention that, I have run into that one. I don't do much transfering of files around though so its not as noticable for me. I stand corrected.  | |
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gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA
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| Funny, I have noticed performance issues and I have higher system specs than required for vista.
Took me 30 minutes to record a 30 sec sound file and get it to CD. »[Vista] Access denied to My Documents
The hardware developers are still releasing new hardware that isn't fully compatible with vista, or is severely crippled.
That they are still having hardware driver issues shows how much support and cooperation there is for vista among the hardware developers.
Why should they develop for vista when it's being dumped and replaced? ie Windows 7
Why should we buy vista when it is going to be dumped and replaced?
Where are the vista ultimate perks we were supposed to be able to enjoy?
Vista fails to live up to expectations and promises.
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join:2006-11-21
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| Re: No problems here By that rationale why bother ever upgrading? Every few years, or even months, something new is going to come out so why ever upgrade? You had one problem with one tiny aspect of Vista. That makes the entire system flawed and not worthy of an upgrade? Nonsense. Developers had 6 years to perfect drivers and software for XP. It won't take them long to get it down for Vista, or Windows 7, or whatever is coming down the pipe. Vista runs just fine. It runs a ton better than XP did when it was released. Trust me. I beta tested both OSs and Vista is far superior at launch than XP was. The funny thing is that in 3-5 years, when the next OS comes out, the same people will be saying the same thing and bitching about the exact same issues..... Is Vista perfect, no, but neither is XP and at least Vista supports much more advanced features than XP ever will. | |
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Santa Cruz, CA | Re: No problems here Too many false statements to respond to all of them. I was also a beta tester for XP, and I don't agree at all. With any part of your post. | |
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| Re: No problems here said by gaforces :Too many false statements to respond to all of them. I was also a beta tester for XP, and I don't agree at all. With any part of your post. Disagree all you want. The fact is that XP was in much worse shape at launch than Vista. But feel free to disagree. I don't care one bit. | |
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join:2003-09-05
Janesville, CA
| One small aspect? Why bother having a network if you can't transfer files between machines? When I go on the road and shoot videos or take photos I store them on my laptop hard drive. When I get home I move them to my new (Vista) machine. This is something I do very frequently. One man's small aspect is another man's "mission critical".
Luckily for me, my transfer speeds have gotten much better. They still are nowhere near what they were between two XP machines over my 802.11G network.
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1 edit | said by gaforces :FWhy should they develop for vista when it's being dumped and replaced? ie Windows 7 Why should we buy vista when it is going to be dumped and replaced? Why should we buy Version N of any software at all, when there will be a Version N+1?
(And if there isn't going to be a Version N+1, then we don't want to touch Version N, because it's already at the end of its development life). | |
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Re: No problems here If N+1 was worth it and ran without problems, then thats fine, but that is not the case.
If N+1 helped make you more productive, that's fine, but that is not the case. | |
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1 edit | said by dave :said by gaforces :FWhy should they develop for vista when it's being dumped and replaced? ie Windows 7 Why should we buy vista when it is going to be dumped and replaced? Why should we buy Version N of any software at all, when there will be a Version N+1? (And if there isn't going to be a Version N+1, then we don't want to touch Version N, because it's already at the end of its development life). Simple answer for me. I don't/won't!
Why should I? I'm protected with NAT/firewall. That right there, tells me I have no need to play "keep up with the Jones's" and upgrade just because I can.
I'll be sticking with XP Pro for a long time to come.
If I don't dump Windows completely and go Linux, which is loaded on all machines and is the OS of choice/default boot.
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C0deZer0
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| XP provided some very obvious benefits over Win9x and to a lesser extent, Win2k. So being able to run XP was a very nice benefit, no matter how old the hardware was.
Somehow, there really doesn't seem to be a whole lot that would make Windows Vista worth running, especially if you're able to run XP instead. | |
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SexaT duorP
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clubs: | Re: No problems here If you look on usenet and BT, you'll find there are conversion programs. I've used one and, while a long process, worked perfectly. | |
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ExecPro
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Long Beach, NY
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| Re: Much Ado Yes, but now when they have to purchase new machines, they will be more willing to jump to Vista instead of sticking with XP. I have many clients that still request XP even on new machines because of Vista's issues. However, now that SP1 is coming, it will be easier to persuade them to switch. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Much Ado I have yet to see any compelling reason to use Vista Business instead of XP Pro. My clients don't want eye candy for their users. | |
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join:2005-03-26
| said by ExecPro :Yes, but now when they have to purchase new machines, they will be more willing to jump to Vista instead of sticking with XP. I have many clients that still request XP even on new machines because of Vista's issues. However, now that SP1 is coming, it will be easier to persuade them to switch. Microsoft is happy to make that decision for them, for everyone in fact. OEMs must stop selling Windows XP computers on June 30th. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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| The problem is, many of them have purchased new laptops with vista and office 2007.
They will seek any salvation from the bloated, slow, and under-performing machines they are straddled with.
Using equipment that is crippled by an OS has made them critical of MS and will affect their future buying decisions. | |
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dslwanter
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Lowellville, OH
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| Networking on Vista blows. I don't think speeds are the problem, how about stupid things. If I switch from a wireless connection to ethernet and try to access other computers on my network, only way I can do it is manually type in the path to each PC. The XP computers have trouble picking up my vista laptop as well.
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| Re: Networking on Vista blows. said by dslwanter :I don't think speeds are the problem, how about stupid things. If I switch from a wireless connection to ethernet and try to access other computers on my network, only way I can do it is manually type in the path to each PC. The XP computers have trouble picking up my vista laptop as well. That works just fine for me (Vista Ultimate laptop + XP Pro desktop + Vista HTPC + Linux based NAS). I'm also running a WINS server on my ClarkConnect gateway / NAS box though, which would probably help resolve your issue. With WINS enabled, I'm able to connect to network shares over my VPN without having to mess with IP addresses too. The only member of my LAN and VPN that does have trouble with network shares is my Asus EeePC, but that's a whole other can of worms...
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| said by dslwanter :I don't think speeds are the problem, how about stupid things. If I switch from a wireless connection to ethernet and try to access other computers on my network, only way I can do it is manually type in the path to each PC. The XP computers have trouble picking up my vista laptop as well. rofl! what *doesn't* blow on vista?
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| HI All
My Vista Home Premium and Belkin N1 usb adaptor do not like each other, yet the adaptor works well on XP computers.
Installing SP1 Beta brought quite an improvement - until networking and internet started hanging, requiring a re-boot to reverse the situation.
On the subject of usb adaptors, is it better to use the usb slots at the front of one's motherboard, or those at the rear?
XP vs Vista: our lesser-spec XP computer runs faster than the Vista unit, and has fewer networking hassles.
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MrMaster
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Austin, TX
clubs: | Vista sp1 should make more improvements I run Vista on my laptop and personal computers. After a few months now, I am not very impressed. It is just too bloated.
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| Re: WinXP SP3, Maybe Next March 2009 And that would be illegal and you'd be making yourself a giant target for lawsuits...which is probably part of the reason (probably a small part) you aren't in a position of power in a large company...
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swhx7
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Elbonia
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| Re: WinXP SP3, Maybe Next March 2009 said by Jack2131 :
If I were Microsoft, I'd add a lot of "hidden" features in SP3 to make it slow down, open to virus attack. said by Zyniker :And that would be illegal and you'd be making yourself a giant target for lawsuits...
What law would it violate? If the EULA is enforceable, Microsoft has exempted itself from liability for anything they may feel like doing with the OS. The antitrust rulings were diluted in the first place, are about to expire and are not seriously enforced anyway.
More important, Microsoft always has a semi-plausible, innocent-sounding explanation for each of its anti-user tricks. The logging of user activity, "phone home" features, DRM, and various inconveniences are always explained away as somehow well-intentioned or accidental.
Changes that make XP less desirable so that it will compare less favorably with Vista are well within Microsoft's bag of tricks, and they would easily get away with it. | |
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join:2007-08-19 | said by Jack2131 :
If I were Microsoft, I'd add a lot of "hidden" features in SP3 to make it slow down, open to virus attack.
That feature has already been added. It's called WGA. | |
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megahz01
By any means necessary
join:2001-12-22
Antioch, CA
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| Re: WinXP SP3, Maybe Next March 2009 said by SilverSurfer :said by Jack2131 :
If I were Microsoft, I'd add a lot of "hidden" features in SP3 to make it slow down, open to virus attack.
That feature has already been added. It's called WGA. I spilled my coffee | |
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join:2003-03-12
Rensselaer, IN
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Microsoft tend to, well tend not to support their older products, and actually lose money if they do. If I were Microsoft, I'd add a lot of "hidden" features in SP3 to make it slow down, open to virus attack.
The money they gain by forcing people to their next OS far outweighs any money lost by not supporting an old OS. If you were Microsoft, you would be out of business and in a courtroom. | |
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W8ASA
Tieng gi vay?
join:2000-07-31
Dayton, OH
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clubs: | Re: Vista and the US Government No, I didn't know that. Where would I find these certificates?
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join:2004-04-18 | RTM now All is well and good, but where is the download link!
I'm not up for waiting until March to get it from windows update, give us the RTM link now!! | |
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join:2001-02-04
Albuquerque, NM
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| Re: RTM now said by drunkgoat :All is well and good, but where is the download link! I'm not up for waiting until March to get it from windows update, give us the RTM link now!! If it went RTM GOLD today 2/4/08, I'm sure an Vista SP1 RTM download link will be up sometime this week or so........
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Brooklyn, NY
| Re: RTM now said by denb45 :If it went RTM GOLD today 2/4/08, I'm sure an Vista SP1 RTM download link will be up sometime this week or so... I have TechNet, looks like they took down the links to RC Vista SP1 DVD's, but I have yet to see them post the final ones. Actually, with RC they did not even have the file that updates Vista Gold go SP1, but they did have the slipstream DVD ISO's.
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1 edit | said by drunkgoat :All is well and good, but where is the download link! I'm not up for waiting until March to get it from windows update, give us the RTM link now!! If you work closely with MS, then you can get it now. :P | |
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bobgwen
join:2001-07-07
Bartow, FL
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| vista sp1 I run vista and the only thing that I don't like is when I go to delete something or move something in my network it says I don't have permission!!. I am running as administrator. I have to come back at a later time and delete the files or go through a bunch of things to look at why, why, why I can't do it. Very frustrating. Other than that it is ok. I hope they take care of this permission thing. | |
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join:2007-10-19
Sugar Grove, VA
| No problems here. I have been running Vista for what seems like a year and have had absolutely not problems with it. My printer/scanner worked just fine on the default windows drivers. In fact I dont remember any driver problems. I have been very happy with the OS. Its fast and pretty. | |
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MisterMarcus
join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
| In my opinion.... What Vista Home Premium Does Right
•Live search inside folders is killer. MUCH improved over XP's default indexed search companion.
•The OS *does* look nice.
•Troubleshooting tools work fairly well (like being able to get a visual layout of your LAN, error reporting and tracking of responses, etc) for the laymen user.
•Burning CDs is so simple a caveman could do it.
•Integrated Media Center capabilities means I don't need to have a separate dedicated OS.
•Seems to be designed to support wireless networks which is good...works well with them most of the time.
•No need to go to a separate website for Windows updates.
•Programs and Updates (formerly Add/Remove Programs) is a lot more intuitive.
What Vista Home Premium Does NOT Do Right
•File transfers. Ugh. Even from drive-to-drive on the same computer for some reason.
•Doesn't support Remote Desktop; you're forced to find a third party custom solution to enable it (meaning it exists in the OS, they just disabled it)
•Codec support is laughable. There are WMV files that won't play in Windows Media Player - the audio plays but not the video, and the player claims the codec is installed.
•Some drivers take ages to install where on XP it takes a matter of seconds.
•Resource hog.
•Time to desktop is absolutely insane. Sometimes in excess of a minute. The actual boot time (from power on to login screen) is zip fast, but after entering the login credentials, it takes way too long to get to a usable desktop.
•Randomly "forgets" your wireless information if you're using MAC security. It'll come back, but only after a long period of frustration.
•Because of aforementioned network and file transfer issues, frequently has problems backing itself up over a LAN. | |
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join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV | ie7 sp1 or sp2? where is ie7 sp1 or sp2? I want to use ie7 but it's too buggy without sp1 or sp2 so where can I download it? | |
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Weirton, WV | Re: ie7 sp1 or sp2? i was wanting 1e7 with sp1 or sp2. | |
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join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA | Re: ie7 sp1 or sp2? IE7 relies on technology in SP2 that doesn't exist in SP1. If you're not installing SP2 because of the urban legends that it will mess up your system just get over it and install the Service Pack 2. Your computer will be better for it. | |
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join:2003-04-14
Weirton, WV | where do i get Internet Explorer SP1 OR 2? I'm still on IE7 retain or rtm. | |
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whsftbldad
join:2007-02-07
Lakewood, CA
| Vista issues I run Vista Ultimate on a Dell XPS410, 4 gigs of ram (yes I know it only sees 3 of it), 6700 processor, ati hd2600 512mb video (for directx 10), dual tv tuner, etc. etc. etc. and I haven't had any issues with it at all. I might not be an extreme user to see all circumstances, but I may well be one of the few who are pleased and happy. | |
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join:2008-01-17
Jefferson City, MO
| Re: Vista issues I can take a new machine that you would consider an affordable mid range and put XP on it and it will have
much better performance than a top of the line machine running Vista. Most people don't want to spend 3000-4000 bucks to get enough processing power to run Vista.
It's pretty bad to have a $1200 machine run circles around a $3000 machine just because of the OS | |
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join:2007-02-07
Lakewood, CA
| Re: Vista issues Well, it is a year old and I didn't spend anywhere near 3-4 grand. I did spend more than average but I have a budget too. I spent on what I did to TRY to future proof a machine that will serve as a really good household unit for just 2 people. If I could spend 3-4 grand you bet it would be a screaming machine whether it was XP or Vista. Everyone has their opinions and I was just letting the masses know that this was not a BASIC machine, but not a monster either and it was running without one error or problem. So in response to your last sentence, I didn't spend much more than your 1200 and still don't have problems. Microsoft has a long way to go with a lot of things, but my next machine will be Vista again. If I have problems then I have two ways to look at it. Either the second machine was a lemon or the first was just that 1 in 100 (so to speak) that worked. Either way, don't hate me for the post of general information. | |
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join:2005-04-02
Marysville, WA
| Re: Vista issues SP1 is done, it's RTM. i work at MS and i run it on all my machines @ work and home. it has made a noticeable difference in most of my machines. my wife has an HP laptop that had real issues coming out of standby, those issues have seemed to have gone away. file transferring is definitely faster. i will be the first to say that Vista should not have been released until this SP1 was done. the product was shipped with known issues and that really ticks me off. i personally feel MS should release RTM version of their OS's for free and let people use it or not then sell the version with the first SP1. that way it has been properly vetted and is less likely to create negative public opinions like those found in threads like these.... | |
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