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join:2002-11-24 | Wow I think the next vonage article should be about what companies haven't filed suit against them. | |
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Austin, TX
clubs: | Re: Wow I was thinking about sueing them myself. Surely I can come up with a reason, everyone else has.  | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs:
| now i don't particularly like vonage nor their business practices but it sucks that this company has to be the leader in voip. Basically people will feel if vonage falls so does voip. Now i dont want to hear about comcast's digital phone service.
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| floydb_1982
join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA
| How can Vonage manage to stay in business with all the money there loosing in lawsuits filed by other company's? If they loose this lawsuit they might as well file chapter 13 and get it over with. At least if there not in business they can't get by anyone else. | |
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jhawk44
join:2006-10-19
Boston, VA | I'm Amazed That Vonage still lives to fight another day.  | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: I'm Amazed said by jhawk44  :That Vonage still lives to fight another day. they havent shown a penny profit since they started
how do they keep surviving?
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@optonline.net | Re: I'm Amazed Why "creative" accounting of course!  | |
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sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Netcong, NJ | Next suits? I predict suits over Vonage's use of the dial-tone frequencies and DTMF signalling. Maybe even something about full-duplex speech.
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MrMoody
Sittin downtown in a railway station
join:2002-09-03
Clayton, NC | Re: Next suits? The whole purpose, of course, is to sue them out of existence.
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join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA | Re: Next suits? Exactly. But I'm not sure it will work... | |
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Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | Re: Next suits? Vonage has millions of Customers. I think if they did shut down the complaints will finally stack up enough for something to happen.
Once V is gone are they finally going to start suing Comcast? Then the bribes will really fly. | |
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
clubs: | If you can't compete on price.... Sue the company out of existence, gone are the days of real competition. No more quality service here, just screw the customer.
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@cox.net | Re: If you can't compete on price.... Why can't vonage compete without using patented technology? The're getting sued because they keep stealing other companies technologies. | |
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join:2001-02-26
Ottawa, ON
| Re: If you can't compete on price.... They keep getting sued because other companies keep getting patents for an end instead of a means. Instead of patenting a specific method of doing something, they patent the end result. It would be like the wright brothers inventing the airplane and then patenting the ability to fly. A blatant example of this is "one click shopping" | |
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RichardZ
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Canton, MI
| Re: If you can't compete on price.... I don't believe that is true. The patenting of an "end result" is essentially patenting an idea--you cannot patent an idea (e.g., flying, time travel, etc.). However you can patent a process or method which are probably the bulk of the claims made against Vonage. The "one click shopping" is an example of a process which appears to be the patenting of an "end result" only because it is so short (very few claims). As a side note, the Patent Office rejected Amazon's "one click" patent in October of this year based on existing "prior art" (i.e., not an original idea).
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Wow_
@verizon.net | so by your statement, you believe Verizon should be able to charge companies for using SIP? And Sprint should be able to sell licenses for the EXACT SAME patents? Have fun paying $150 a month for phone service | |
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uteck
@wideopenwest.com
| I'm torn... The call quality with Vonage is not that good, but I want to support them in their struggle against 'the man'. Do I switch to Packet8 or some other provider? Not my cable company's phone, the price is 50% more then what I pay for Vonage. I guess I'll just wait for the call quality to slip more, then bail on them.
But if I leave now, I might be able to get the Cisco ATA unlocked.
Hmmm, decisions, decisions. | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ | Re: I'm torn... why not stick with Vonage until they go belly up (not too long from now) and then consider another provider?
this is a sad, sad state of the industry. | |
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ztmike
Premium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
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December 15th, @03:18PM
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Trinijoy
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join:2005-09-12
Brick, NJ | Re: holy shiet. This is ridiculous. | |
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Cabal
Premium
join:2007-01-21
02101
| Re: holy shiet. said by Trinijoy :This is ridiculous. You got the right. What is going on over at Vonage? Not a single defensive patent? Morons.
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join:2005-09-21
Bethel Park, PA
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| Re: holy shiet. What next, they get sued by Hershey because some tech is eating a candy bar in the Vonage Data Center? | |
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RIRWIN1983
join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH | Re: holy shiet. im going to now sue you for stealing my idea that Hershey should sue vonage, and name vonage a co-conspirator | |
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DownTheShore
What's Your Exit?
Premium
join:2003-12-02
Edison, NJ
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| Re: holy shiet. I'm going to sue you both because I initially provided the Hershey bar... 
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join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH | Re: holy shiet. and i'll counter sue because i came up with the concept of a "candy bar" and the term hershey,lol | |
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DownTheShore
What's Your Exit?
Premium
join:2003-12-02
Edison, NJ
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| Re: holy shiet. Then I'll file a class action suit on behalf of the farm workers who harvested the cocoa beans and weren't adequately recompensed for their work.
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Premium
join:2006-08-28
Taylors, SC | Re: holy shiet. I'm suing all of you because I patented the word SUE and for taking time out of my day to SUE all of U! | |
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TheHelpful1
Premium
join:2002-01-11
Upper Marlboro, MD
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| Re: This is getting ridiculous.... I have wondered that myself. If AT&T sues Vonage of something and Verizon sues as well, shouldn't AT&T also being suing Verizon and vise versa?
Sort of like the old math problem that if A=B and B=C, A=C too. Exactly how many "different" and "unique" patents can there be to VoIP??
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| Re: This is getting ridiculous.... I'm certainly with you. How many patents does it require to take a sound signal, digitize it and transmit it over the Internet? Vonage isn't in the business of creating hardware so they had to purchase the devices that perform these miracles.
As far as I can tell, the only thing Vonage did is create billing software that communicates with payment card industry and sends people e-mail and a web-site that lets customers configure their service.
What else could Vonage have created? Is this one of those situations where the license they acquired with their hardware and software purchased did not allow them to use it in this capacity? | |
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rrz103
RichardZ
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Canton, MI
| If you go to the PTO's website and use the search term VOIP you will get 2,928 issued patents and 11,669 pending patents. In other words, there are quite a few possible ways to infringe a patent when dealing with VoIP.
See »www.uspto.gov/patft
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
·WOW Internet and C..
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December 15th, @10:55PM
| said by TheHelpful1 :I have wondered that myself. If AT&T sues Vonage of something and Verizon sues as well, shouldn't AT&T also being suing Verizon and vise versa? Sort of like the old math problem that if A=B and B=C, A=C too. Exactly how many "different" and "unique" patents can there be to VoIP?? There's no requirement as to a patent holder having to sue another party. Cross licenses and agreements are formed all the time. | |
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TheHelpful1
Premium
join:2002-01-11
Upper Marlboro, MD
·EarthLink
| Re: This is getting ridiculous.... Yeah I think one is a License (you rent it out but have final say in it) and an assignment (you sell it and all ownership).
So, rather than cross license with Vonage, they would all rather sue them out of existence. Nice.
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Goober
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL | Re: This is getting ridiculous.... Vonage may not have anything of value to cross-license. I don't know (and I'm too lazy to look it up), but I doubt if they have/had the resources to create a huge patent portfolio. | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | Why don't you just leave vonage alone girl video upcoming Now i wait for the "why dont you leave Britney vonage aloooooone!!"
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dadaddy
@suddenlink.net | Skype Vonage is not the market leader...Skype is. So if vonage goes down all is not lost. | |
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Toropop
join:2001-11-11
Vancouver, WA
·Vonage
| Re: Skype You're right. According to Vonage's own figures, Comcast is currently the market leader. But in fairness, let's compare apples to apples here. Skype is not an apple to Vonage's or even Comcast's apple. I don't care how one spins this.
Skype isn't a saint. A quick [insert preferred search engine and make a verb out of it here] will reveal that, arguably, Skype has the same or larger problems than Vonage.
A quick rundown:
• Skype is banned or blocked in some countries.
• Skype is blocked by several ISPs.
• Skype is banned or blocked by many college and university campuses around the world.
• Skype users have recently been forced by many Telcos and regulators around the world to change their phone numbers.
• Skype claims to have 100 million REGISTERED users. They're just REGISTERED. It doesn't mean that all 100 million REGISTERED users actually use Skype as their primary line as SUBSCRIBERS. In fact, Skype's own people have been so bold to say that THEY don't even know how many people use their services full time.
• By Skype's own admission, you cannot access ANY emergency services through their lines.
• Oh, and you need software for Skype. Vonage? No. Comcast? No. CallVantage? No.
The list goes on and on. I think I've made my point.
Bottom line: Skype can't won't save the world, either. | |
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| vinnie97
join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | Re: This involves patents to call 411 and 911 Amen, with millions awarded to the family of the victim. | |
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rantou
join:2002-06-04
Richardson, TX
| Why doesn't the little red-headed stepchild die yet? Vonage is a losing proposition. There's no such thing anymore as having your pie and eating it too. They were just trying to eat at all the patent-holders' pies (think advertising -- $24.99 compared to incumbent's higher prices), and thinking they were going to get away with it.
Oh well, just my .02 dollars! VoIP shouldn't die, but people still deserve credit where credit is due. | |
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@sbcglobal.net
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There's not much credit due, when it comes to Voip. Someone invented a way of making telephony work over the internet (and at best that must be a handful of REAL patents), and the rest is variations over the same theme (which should never have resulted in patents, but that's another story). The bottom line is that all of the telcos and all of the broadband providers are really annoyed that Vonage provides high-quality service at the most competitive price. They cannot compete fairly, so they are trying to just snuff Vonage out of existence by suing them. This is nothing more than greed and anti-consumer practices taken to the most extreme level.
I hope somehow Vonage manages to hang in there, and if they have to raise prices I'd be gglad to pay 20 % more a month instead of 50%+ more a month to the a-holes that keep suing them.
By the way, I am an engineer and a US Patent author, so I know what it takes to file and get awarded a patent in this country and in this day in age. | |
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VoIP_Watcher
@optonline.net
| Both article and summary are misleading Both the article and summary are misleading.
This is a case where Nortel was sued by Vonage. The article (written extremely poorly) glosses over the background and mainly mentions Nortel's response. KarhrynV's summary is complely wrong, stating that this is the other way around. | |
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floydb_1982
join:2004-08-25
Kent, WA
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bobny1
join:2004-09-10
Bronx, NY
| I keep saying it... It is an orchestrated plot by the big telcos and cablecos to eliminate the leaders in the industry. That way they can go back to the old monopolistic practice and crank up the prices without fear of competition. Lets face it!. They had the technology for years and they never intended to use it until Vonage and other did. Is like the oil companies blocking any form of electric cars technology so they can keep sucking billions of dollars. | |
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JoeG4
join:2001-12-16
945941
·Vonage
| Who didn't see this coming? Vonage is going to keep getting sued until they're driven out of business. Credit where credit is due? You know what the phone companies want out of Vonage? They want to make Vonage so expensive that there's no reason to get them over service from Ma Bell, Verizon, or Qwest.
I'm surprised they haven't stated that Vonage is infringing on the touch tone system or something like that. LOL. | |
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Vonage Faces Patent Infringement Claim by Nortel
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