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kudos:1 | It's a lie. quote:
"$13 million mark-to-market adjustment relating to the derivative liability in the Company's convertible debt,"
That's the same way failing banks are amazingly posting profits.
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| Re: It's a lie. said by DrModem:That's the same way failing banks are amazingly posting profits. That's OK, I use vonage and want them to survive. Unfortunately, I don't like the banks and want the govt to stop giving them our money. | |
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| |  knightmbEverybody Lies
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Franklin, TN | said by nasadude:said by DrModem:That's the same way failing banks are amazingly posting profits. That's OK, I use vonage and want them to survive. Unfortunately, I don't like the banks and want the govt to stop giving them our money. I've been using them since 2005, they are still alive and well as far as I can tell. All my friends and family use Vonage now, we all save a ton of money on phone calls. Partly their new equipment helps, takes a lot of the guess work out a traffic shaping to get a proper phone call for the non-technical users or those that don't really understand how traffic shaping works.
Their tech support has a lot to be left desired, but if you have a tech buddy then it helps to eliminate those calls short of some kind of account error with billing.
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| | | | | Re: It's a lie. I've had vonage for 3 years (I think) and I've never needed tech support because I've never had any problem. | |
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as far as i'm concern a good product for me is one i have no need to call for support. if i find myself calling for support is time to move to some other service or provider... | |
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kudos:2 | said by DrModem: quote:
"$13 million mark-to-market adjustment relating to the derivative liability in the Company's convertible debt,"
That's the same way failing banks are amazingly posting profits. No kidding. I was a little surprised they made a profit until I read that. What profit? they lost $8mil. I don't know how they can legally call that profit and get away with it - traded company and all.
I have no trust in our stock market anymore. It's seriously full of crooks who call themselves executives. Disgusting.
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join:2008-08-12
Rochester, MI | Almost surprised me Then again it does not. They raised the price of the 500 minute plan to 17.99 a month. | |
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join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY | Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices With ATT and Verizon pulling the plug on plain VOIP, plus a few independent providers going bust, is VOIP a survivable product?
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| | | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices said by bgraham:With ATT and Verizon pulling the plug on plain VOIP, plus a few independent providers going bust, is VOIP a survivable product? I hope so because I have it. I'm wondering that too. A lot of people who do voip are doing it bundled with cable internet service. They're even willing to pay the cable company more money than what it would cost with a voip provider. | |
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00000 | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices a lot of people are dumb. | |
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| | | | | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices said by morbo:a lot of people are dumb. I would say a lot of people simply don't know.
When they call the cable company to install cable, the cable company then has the opportunity to market phone service to them. Vonage doesn't have that. | |
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1 edit | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices a lot of people only remember the horror of dealing with telco. the cableco price, while more expensive than most voip options, is less expensive than comparable telco unlimited plans. so people hate telco and want to save. they do'nt realize or are scared of other options. so i change my response: part ignorance, part dumb. | |
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Greeley, CO | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices Here's the issue with that though.. I would go through my cable provider for phone service but they would not port my number because it's from another city (about 10 mins away). I'm using Vonage because they are the only ones that would port my number in. Comcast will only port numbers in their "rate center". | |
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00000 | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices i have a question: why would you prefer to go through your cable provider for phone service if they could port your number? considering it's not price, why would you prefer them? | |
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Greeley, CO | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices It's all in one bill.. that's the BIGGEST reason.. then I dont have a bill for voice here, data there, video there.. | |
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00000 | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices just to confirm: to you, a combined bill is worth $5-$10 extra a month? | |
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2 edits | Cable telephone is not the same as VoIP. It uses a different technology and does not use the same ports nor does it use the same channels on the cable. | |
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1 edit | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices said by ropeguru:Cable telephone is not the same as VoIP. It uses a different technology and does not use the same ports nor does it use the same channels on the cable. Cable phone is VoIP, just over a separate network, not the public internet and 100% managed by them end to end. | |
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New York, NY | Re: Is Voip a Going Concern at Present Prices said by fifty nine:said by ropeguru:Cable telephone is not the same as VoIP. It uses a different technology and does not use the same ports nor does it use the same channels on the cable. Cable phone is VoIP, just over a separate network, not the public internet and 100% managed by them end to end. Yes and no. It functions as VoIP does, however it never leaves the provisioning cable providers network (as you mention). As such I dont think it can be called VoIP, as its more like voice over LAN in that regard.
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| | | | said by fifty nine:said by bgraham:With ATT and Verizon pulling the plug on plain VOIP, plus a few independent providers going bust, is VOIP a survivable product? I hope so because I have it. I'm wondering that too. A lot of people who do voip are doing it bundled with cable internet service. They're even willing to pay the cable company more money than what it would cost with a voip provider. In my area, Insight is a utility phone provider - they have full backup for the network in a power outage and they don't use combo phone/Internet modems - the phone device is a separate box on the back of the house (found that out when my dad got sick of the billing monster and switched his phone and net to the cableco).
In that case, paying a little extra means you're not reliant on your utility power and your Internet connection to have phone service with VOIP. | |
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Lincolnshire, IL | Voip is booming, and not just cable voip. Asterisk and it's derivatives are growing fast in the SMB space at the expense of Nortel, Cisco, Avaya, with many SIP friendly voip companies providing originstion and termination services.
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join:2008-02-27
kudos:2 | said by bgraham:With ATT and Verizon pulling the plug on plain VOIP, plus a few independent providers going bust, is VOIP a survivable product? Small VoIP providers are doing very well these days. It's the I-want-to-be-a-phone-company guys that are failing. The key is expectations - if you need millions of users to be profitable then you stand no chance in hell. If however you need a few thousand users to be profitable - that's not too hard to do on a budget. | |
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Trying to cancel it is like hell and then on top of that they try to charge you a disconnection fee for a non-contract deal. Sweet hidden contracts...
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Tell them you're moving the middle of Africa on a 10 year research project and will have NO contact with the outside world.
Or simply tell them you will have no broadband anymore.
That's how I did it and it was painless. | |
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join:2000-05-24
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kudos:1 | Re: AOL? So you are telling me basically that if they don't have anything in their script they don't have a comeback? Damn, what do they have working there? A bunch of training monkeys?
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| | | | | | | Re: AOL? said by trparky:So you are telling me basically that if they don't have anything in their script they don't have a comeback? Damn, what do they have working there? A bunch of training monkeys? When I told them "I'm moving where I won't have broadband" they only asked if someone else would take over the contract, then when I said no they canceled.
I was a customer for almost 6 years (since 2003). I had some good times with them but it was just too much money for something I hardly use. | |
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Greeley, CO | Re: AOL? What about cancelling to save a few bones? They aren't going to give it to you for free, and thats $25/month you're saving... there's ways around that "script"... LOL | |
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Conyers, GA |  Vonage needs to offer more advanced features
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00000 | Re: Vonage needs to offer more advanced features how about NAME caller id? number is fine, but not transferring name is ridiculous. | |
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join:2005-04-28
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| Re: Vonage needs to offer more advanced features said by morbo:how about NAME caller id? number is fine, but not transferring name is ridiculous. I asked about that years ago. Still not done. I kind of like it because I might accidentally dial the wrong number and the stranger wont know what my name is. | |
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00000 | Re: Vonage needs to offer more advanced features that and the increasing price may lead to me leaving in july. haven't decided quite yet. t-mobile's at home system costs 1/3 of vonage unlimited. | |
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| | | | said by CUBS_FAN:You use the words "advanced features", but the only advance feature you seem to mention is "call filtering". Vonage is awake and is doing pretty good competing with the features of other telephone Co.'s like AT&T and maybe the Cable Co.'s own version of VOIP. The cable companies are really taking away lots of Vonage's business.
Sorta like TiVo and the cable company DVRs. | |
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| Vonage "Profit" As a long-time satisfied Vonage customer, I don't see how they can survive much longer. As today's earnings show, they only made a profit by a one-time adjustment, but in reality they continue to hemorrhage money. This truly concerns me and their future is definitely in question. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: Vonage "Profit" .. take this argument, multiply it going back for many months/quarters, and here we are again.
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| | Look around Everyone here needs to realize that there are other voip providers then just vonage.... besides the cable and telcos even, i use ooma. Cost me $250 to buy the voip modem and get free service. Thats right no monthly fee and features like vm, call waiting, caller id. If you want extra features like an instant second line feature and vm call screening than you can pay for that but not required. Between the discounts of cable companies and other voip options like ooma there is no where for vonage but down | |
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join:2002-04-05
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kudos:1 | bankruptcy quote:
However, Vonage notes their earnings were boosted by a one time "$13 million mark-to-market adjustment relating to the derivative liability in the Company's convertible debt," without which the operator would have posted a net loss of $8 million.
Wait, does this mean someone was forced contractually to forgive Vonage's debt and thats how they made a profit? Sounds like the bankruptcy has already begun outside of court. | |
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County | They need to start pricing it.... to make a profit - problem is the arena is so crowded - they can't do that. | |
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| | | Re: They need to start pricing it.... said by CylonRed:to make a profit - problem is the arena is so crowded - they can't do that. The ONLY thing voip offers over POTS is price. If they raise that there's no reason for them to exist. If they can't make a profit at low prices, it's time for them to ride off into the sunset.
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| | | Ok let me speak on this first off cable companies voip is over priced. For example charter charges 30.00 for and that's not counting all the ma bell telco charges. I have a good friend who uses Charter for phone service by the time they finish taxing him his bill is 50.00 or more. So my point is cable companies cost more than 3rd part voip providers. Now on to the tmobile subject right now I'm currently doing an evaluation of tmobiles @home yes it's 12.60 after taxes for unlimited. However, you have zero features faxing does not work and from what I hear from the csr's and tmobile tech support they have no plans of adding real features with that said they do plan on adding fax support. This makes me think tmobile is not really dedicated to the product to them it's just a quick way to get some fast revenue. Also there is a 2 year contract right now if you call into tmobile and order @home they give you a 135.00 credit and 3 months of service however you must port your existing number in order to receive this deal. This of course eats up the 35.00 activation fee and equipment charge. | |
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| I want Vonage to succeed! I'm a little upset that they increased my bill by $3. $3 isn't a lot of money, but that is still a 20% price increase!
They are still cheaper than any other company around me, and give me TONS of features.
All my voice mail gets sent in an attachment to me and my wife's email! How cool is that?
It was easy to set up, easy to sign up, the price is right, and in the past 7 months I've been with them, I've had ZERO problems. The service has always worked perfectly. No problems, no downtime. I've never been without my phone (as long as my Internet connection was up). I've never had to reboot the Vonage router or tweak with any settings.
It just works. Someone is doing something right.
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join:2009-03-27
Nashua, NH | X-VONAGE CUSTOMER WENT TO OOMA! After almost 5 years as a Vonage customer, I found OOMA. No monthly fees and if you want two lines pay $99/year. No $10/month extra charge for FAX with Vonage but it is FREE with OOMA.
Closed my monthly charge account on Vonage Yesterday. Best part customer service is in good old USA! Have a nice OOMA day!
I DO HAVE ONE PROBLEM WITH "DSL REPORTS"
CAN NOT GET MY "START" TO SHOW IN BOX WHEN USING JAVA. ANY HELP WITH THIS PROBLEM. EVEN AFTER LOADING THE LATEST JAVA, I STILL CAN NOT START A TEST. | |
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