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Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC |  POST line anyone?
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 | openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: POST line anyone? I would much prefer that instead of increase cost of my internet service plan. When POTS officially dies in favor of mobile phones and VoIP service, you can bet that internet service plans will rise in cost to counter the loss. | |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
| Re: POST line anyone? said by openbox9  :I would much prefer that instead of increase cost of my internet service plan. When POTS officially dies in favor of mobile phones and VoIP service, you can bet that internet service plans will rise in cost to counter the loss. I agree. | |
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bellhead1970
@southernco.com
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skellener
| voip The golden goose of the cellular industry billing per minutes died earlier this year with the iphones and newer smart phones. How long before the government makes the cellular carriers open up the networks to voip this is the big question. Once this happens it will change the entire industry. | |
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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join:2002-03-05 | Re: voip I hope it happens soon. Carriers who sell data plans need to understand that their role is the dumb pipe. They should have no say over what happens across that pipe, so long as a single user isn't substantially negatively impacting all others. | |
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | said by bellhead1970 :
Once this happens it will change the entire industry. And the cost of your mobile data plan will most likely increase to compensate the loss. | |
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twill1989
join:2009-01-03
Goose Creek, SC
·AT&T Southeast
| Can we get off it please? Come on...I know this isn't going to be a popular view around here, but come on. At the end of the day, it's AT&T's network. Why in the hell would they allow a competitor to operate on its network and undercut their own service? Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. If Vonage wants to get involved in the mobile phone game, they need to make a phone that operates completely off of Wi-Fi or build their own network.
Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages.
I realize AT&T is a big bad company that nobody likes, but lets criticize them where they deserve it: the quality of their network. Not nonissues like this. | |
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dellsweig
Extreme Aerobatics
Premium,MVM
join:2003-12-10
Campbell Hall, NY
 ·Time Warner VOIP
·Vonage
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| Re: Can we get off it please? said by twill1989 :Come on...I know this isn't going to be a popular view around here, but come on. At the end of the day, it's AT&T's network. Why in the hell would they allow a competitor to operate on its network and undercut their own service? Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. If Vonage wants to get involved in the mobile phone game, they need to make a phone that operates completely off of Wi-Fi or build their own network. Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. I realize AT&T is a big bad company that nobody likes, but lets criticize them where they deserve it: the quality of their network. Not nonissues like this. well - the model is already set - and this is why FCC is looking at this....
Cable Companies (and other terrestrial ISP's) already "let" VoIP calls on their networks - even though they offer competitive services (voip)
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bellhead1970
@scsnet.com
| Re: Can we get off it please? said by dellsweig :said by twill1989 :Come on...I know this isn't going to be a popular view around here, but come on. At the end of the day, it's AT&T's network. Why in the hell would they allow a competitor to operate on its network and undercut their own service? Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. If Vonage wants to get involved in the mobile phone game, they need to make a phone that operates completely off of Wi-Fi or build their own network. Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. I realize AT&T is a big bad company that nobody likes, but lets criticize them where they deserve it: the quality of their network. Not nonissues like this. well - the model is already set - and this is why FCC is looking at this.... Cable Companies (and other terrestrial ISP's) already "let" VoIP calls on their networks - even though they offer competitive services (voip) I expect the FCC to step in on this one This fight was fought 6 years ago by the legacy land line rbocs, and cable networks. So that argument is dead on arrival in in regards to it being AT&T's network regarding data. They are a pipe nothing more and cannot block it. In a year we will be paying per megabyte count on that.
Imagine in 10 years you will go online to buy data gigabytes to use for the internet this includes both home and mobile. | |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by twill1989 :Come on...I know this isn't going to be a popular view around here, but come on. At the end of the day, it's AT&T's network. Why in the hell would they allow a competitor to operate on its network and undercut their own service? Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. If Vonage wants to get involved in the mobile phone game, they need to make a phone that operates completely off of Wi-Fi or build their own network. Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. I realize AT&T is a big bad company that nobody likes, but lets criticize them where they deserve it: the quality of their network. Not nonissues like this. Data is data. If I pay for an Unlimited Data Plan with AT&T, why should they care that those packets are voice, video, or porn?
They shouldn't yet they do. No one is trying to get a service for free, but AT&T shouldn't be able to dictate what type of data you can send unless they can prove it degrades the network, which VoIP doesn't. | |
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UnKown
The Underground Network
join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL | Were not saying they have to open their voice network up to competitors. We are simply stating that if a company wants to sell internet, they have to provide and service all types of internet applications. Att just does not want to compete. | |
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TheHelpful1
Premium
join:2002-01-11
Upper Marlboro, MD | Re: Can we get off it please? ATT didn't reject google voice, they just "didn't approve it". :P
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Can we get off it please? And AT&T didn't "didn't just approve it", Apple did. Kind of ingenious on AT&T's part. They know they'd get their hand slapped if the outright block VoIP on their network, but if they prevent Apple from allowing the software on their handset, they get around the neutrality issue. | |
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join:2009-08-11
Providence, RI | Re: Can we get off it please? i smoked but didnt inheal | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | and like i keep saying...The FCC won't do anything about it. | |
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| jacour
join:2001-12-11
Ypsilanti, MI
·Comcast
| Yes, it is AT&T's network, build at a time where the FCC automatically gave spectrum to the wireline phone companies and let one other competitor come into the market. Who paid to build out that high regulated infrastructure with guaranteed profits? Consumers.
Bottom line, this is like my electric company trying to charge one rate to power my television, and another to heat up my toaster. It is my bandwidth, I paid for it, now piss off. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by twill1989 :Essentially, what everyone is wanting is to use the AT&T network without having to pay AT&T. Uh, if they subscribe to AT&T Wireless to get data service, they are already paying for the service. AT&T is already getting a cut of the pie.
And if you are connected to a hotspot instead of a 3G tower, then you aren't using AT&T's network to begin with so they shouldn't have a say in what you are using.
Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks UPS will happily ship a fed-ex package on their trucks as long as you have UPS label on them and have paid for the shipping via UPS. Similarly, people already are paying AT&T to use the data portion of their phones. AT&T is in essence saying that it doesn't like the looks of the package and refuses to ship it, even though a similar package (data packet) for a non-VoIP call is permitted.
and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. I'm not sure where the "faster" argument comes into play. Give a choice between a true cellular call and a VoIP, I bet the cellular gets there quicker and potentially has better quality.
Not nonissues like this. It's only a non-issue to you. Obviously it's not a non-issue to everyone. | |
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join:2009-01-03
Goose Creek, SC
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Can we get off it please? Yeah it's such a big issue. That's why ATT and Verzion control roughly 150 million subscribers...people are sooooo upset.
Do you expect the cablecos to start broadcasting youtube or hulu or some type of IPTV provider straight to your television via their HFC? | |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| said by twill1989 :Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. You forgot Fed-Ex will not be requre to pay UPS for the privilege after all UPS is just a dumb trucking comapny. | |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
1 edit | Re: Can we get off it please? said by Richard B :said by twill1989 :Sorry but saying AT&T should let Vonage and other VOIP providers use their network is like saying UPS should ship Fed-Ex packages on their trucks and make sure they get there faster than UPS packages. You forgot Fed-Ex will not be requre to pay UPS for the privilege after all UPS is just a dumb trucking comapny. Here's a proper analogy for you. I pay FedEx to ship a package, but put that FedEx box into a UPS box to deliver it to the FedEx dropoff location. I'm paying both, so I can guarantee you UPS doesn't care what's inside the box I'm paying them to ship.
Data is data, in small packages (packets) so AT&T shouldn't care WHAT that traffic is as long as it doesn't unreasonably burden their network. If they allow music streaming apps, then there should be no reason to not allow VoIP apps. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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Free Market!!!! Free Market!!!!!!
So why can't I my own cell tower up at every street corner on the sidewalk on any band I want?
Then again, you can argue a corporate has "free speech" rights to censor everything it wants over its network. | |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| I'll believe that... When my sh** turns purple and smells like lucky charms 
Eventually we won't have "cell" phones. We'll just have mobile data devices on which phone functionality is one of the perks. | |
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TheHelpful1
Premium
join:2002-01-11
Upper Marlboro, MD | It was "smells like rainbow sherbert" wasn't it? (ST quote?)
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comcastvoip
@comcast.net | Comcast Voip App Anyone know if Comcast or cable companies have an iPhone Voip APP or working on one? | |
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mojo79
@comcast.net | Re: Comcast Voip App yes just do a search on the app store, type in comcast | |
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anjorusso
@speakeasy.net
| all you need is very reasonably prices wireless internet.... once you have wireless internet access, you can get a media tablet such as n810 and you can place calls using skype to another skype client...or to a landline or cell....or you can use gizmoproject to receive or make calls...or you can use another media tablet or a netbook...anything...once you have internet, there is no such thing as paying per minute for gsm minutes..no such thing as overage, roaming or extra charges....just like cell phones pretty much phased out landlines....wireless voip phones WILL replace regular cell phones at least in the US...it will take 5 years...but yes it will happen...you will see | |
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dellsweig
Extreme Aerobatics
Premium,MVM
join:2003-12-10
Campbell Hall, NY
·Time Warner VOIP
·Vonage
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: all you need is very reasonably prices wireless internet.... said by anjorusso :
once you have wireless internet access, you can get a media tablet such as n810 and you can place calls using skype to another skype client...or to a landline or cell....or you can use gizmoproject to receive or make calls...or you can use another media tablet or a netbook...anything...once you have internet, there is no such thing as paying per minute for gsm minutes..no such thing as overage, roaming or extra charges....just like cell phones pretty much phased out landlines....wireless voip phones WILL replace regular cell phones at least in the US...it will take 5 years...but yes it will happen...you will see
You are right!!! The cat is out of the bag and it is only a matter of time - how long ATT etc can try to keep up the arguments that their data networks are any different from Comcast, time warner, etc
I cant wait!!!!
Its kind of funny - The cable companies figured out that Vonage was on to something and created a competitive product (well not price competitive). I wonder if the Wireless carriers see the writing on the wall.... | |
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estover
join:2004-03-16
Valencia, PA
clubs:
1 edit | Where is my rock? I am really looking forward to the time where I can crawl back under my rock and live happily ever after, never again having to listen to people complain about every fucking thing under the sun. I could understand if the complaint is that you have a data CARD for internet access and somehow your provider is blocking VOIP access, or any access for that matter. But we are not. We are bitching about being able to make a VOIP call on a fucking PHONE!!!!!! If you didn't need a PHONE but only wanted a device to make VOIP calls on get a fucking netbook, and not a PHONE!! Exactly what do you think AT&T is going going to do when profits from long distance \ overage fees dry up because of the number of people using VOIP to make there calls. Yep that right they will lower the rate for all us good boys and girls. NOT!!! And when the network is filled up with all the VOIP calls and my access goes to shit, I am sure they will upgrade backhauls just to cover the added bandwidth of an app they are forced to carry but make no money from. NOT!!!!!!!!!!! Then who do I send my bitch to, you? You all bitch about how fucking bad AT&T is, why in Gods do you want to stress the network more? I digress. I think I will take a trip to the Ford dealer and bitch about them not selling the new Dodge truck I want in a color I made up. And on the way back home I am going to stop at McDonalds and ask why I cant get a double stacker with my large fries. | |
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Where is my rock? yes, please do go crawl under that rock because you obviously have a very limited concept and knowledge concerning this whole "argument". Thus we can easily conclude we can't possibly discuss this subject with you in any coherent way what-so-ever.
Not only that, but the shear immaturity of you through your post is quite obvious and thus needs not further discussion. | |
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join:2004-03-16
Valencia, PA
clubs:
| Re: Where is my rock? said by Skippy25 :yes, please do go crawl under that rock because you obviously have a very limited concept and knowledge concerning this whole "argument". Thus we can easily conclude we can't possibly discuss this subject with you in any coherent way what-so-ever. Not only that, but the shear immaturity of you through your post is quite obvious and thus needs not further discussion. This is what I am taking about. People that have a hard time understanding a piece of ranting satire and over exaggerations, feel as though they should head up this "argument". Please by all means feel free to assume I am, of limited knowledge, as you so tactfully put it, if that makes you feel superior. But on a serious note I really have to question the mentality of someone who buys an iPhone so that he can install a Vonage VIOP app on it. Thats just me. | |
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| binded2
join:2009-08-11
Providence, RI
| man get the fuck outta here
im sick and tired of hearin o but the network these ass hats at at&t and others all claim there is no bandwidth blah blah
but they can go out and offer the same shit that some one want for free but charge for it
you cant stream tv from sling or voip and all this other shit
but they can add a tv package to it for the low low price of FUCK YOU custermor
we have a fucking right to complain we pay for a service that they say they can bairly provide and want to limit what we can use are devices for but then want to sell us some other fucking shit
look att and all the other cable tel corps make up your fucking minds theres either bandwidth and we can do what we want or theres not
does not mean theres no bandwidth and lets sell them more shit tv anywhere looking at you
how the fuck the cable att vzw are going to say o we need to manage manage cus theres none left but go right after they say that and want to add more stuff that uses more bandwidth that they claim they dont fucking have
like i said you have it or you dont
i think that is what they should be reviewing with this whole network netutrality shit
i dont care about spelling deal with
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beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH
| Give me a break The minute the wireless telecoms see there revenues get impacted by VOIP and other services that bypass minutes, they will just raise the rates for data plans. If today you pay $30 for data and $40 for voice....and voice "goes away" you can surely expect to pay $70 for data. Don't be naive. | |
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| zipjay
join:2003-03-11
Louisville, KY | Re: Give me a break thats until Wimax becomes the new pipe and the phone companies become not needed.. unless they become a wimax provider | |
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| binded2
join:2009-08-11
Providence, RI
| said by beaups :The minute the wireless telecoms see there revenues get impacted by VOIP and other services that bypass minutes, they will just raise the rates for data plans. If today you pay $30 for data and $40 for voice....and voice "goes away" you can surely expect to pay $70 for data. Don't be naive. verizon is allready raising rates it was on the news sites yesturday
»Verizon's New, Ridiculous Wireless Data Prices | |
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KPD
@vonagenetworks.net
| Internet Providers shouldn't own their traffic AT&T blocking VoIP on their mobile phone service when people have unlimited data plans would be like Comcast blocking access to the Hulu.com website because it competes with the cable TV service and network they own. How would you like your ISP to start blocking websites that compete with their similar services? Its not right and its not American. Or maybe nowadays this is American. Its a shame what the society has become. mostly thanks to a corrupt and misaligned government. | |
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| binded2
join:2009-08-11
Providence, RI
| Re: Internet Providers shouldn't own their traffic said by KPD :
AT&T blocking VoIP on their mobile phone service when people have unlimited data plans would be like Comcast blocking access to the Hulu.com website because it competes with the cable TV service and network they own. How would you like your ISP to start blocking websites that compete with their similar services? Its not right and its not American. Or maybe nowadays this is American. Its a shame what the society has become. mostly thanks to a corrupt and misaligned government.
you see and this in lays the problems i see with the cables and verizon and there tv anywheres packages
theres alot of sites that allready offer all of that services allready
the cable and phone companys would have you beleave that theres no bandwidth thats why they must cap there users they claim that torrents mess up the network and what not and uses all of the bandwidth
but they magicaly have enough to provide so called other services that they can yet charge you more for i bet it iwll be like another 15$ a month for it
but we have sites like network sites abc,nbc,cbs,cw,fox just to name a few that are OTA then you got sites like tbs,tnt,usa,history channle all of them other cable networks have sites that provide there shows for video on demand for free
so why again do we need there internet tv with a new name and price tag using yet more bandwidth that they claim that they dont have but yet are able to provide yet these bandwidth intensive sites | |
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