 | | Wrong.. It had nothing to do with "restrictive download model" like author failed grasp. It has to do with they could not get the partners they wanted to sign up for them, and the lack of interest because of such. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Wrong.. said by markopoleo:It had nothing to do with "restrictive download model" like author failed grasp. It has to do with they could not get the partners they wanted to sign up for them, and the lack of interest because of such. How do you make money when most people are stealing the movies at illegal web sites? | |
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CM94sv | Re: Wrong.. said by Romney2012:How do you make money when most people are stealing the movies at illegal web sites? You price it competitively. $20 and it won't play in your DVD player is nonsense and NOT competitive. Not everyone is in on the worldwide conspiracy to steal media. 
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| | | | said by Romney2012:How do you make money when most people are stealing the movies at illegal web sites? How can you say most people? That is a very broad generalization, is it not? | |
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| Re: Wrong.. said by Romney2012:]Based on hundreds of news articles over the last 2 years publishing the results of surveys, polls, etc. most of which were either written by "stenographers" simply laying out the industry line, are based on non-reviewed data paid for by the industry, or are simply numbers made up by some group or organization.
the only rigorous, academic studies I am aware of indicate that "pirating" has little or no impact on media sales; one study targeted at P2P music sharing indicates there could actually be a positive impact on music sales. | |
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| said by Romney2012:How do you make money when most people are stealing the movies at illegal web sites? same way the bottled water companies do - offer consumers convenience, choice, no restrictions and reasonable price.
not a single movie download service has done this yet and until they do, these endeavors will continue to fail.
I call BS to eternity to anyone that bitches about "how can they make money when it's available for free!!!!"
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kudos:4 | said by Romney2012:said by markopoleo:It had nothing to do with "restrictive download model" like author failed grasp. It has to do with they could not get the partners they wanted to sign up for them, and the lack of interest because of such. How do you make money when most people are stealing the movies at illegal web sites? same way itunes does. demand is there.
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Woonsocket, RI | said by Romney2012: How do you make money when most people are stealing the movies at illegal web sites? More people are downloading movies illegally than purchasing them?
I would really love to see the statistics behind that figure.
/another internet know-it-all | |
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1 edit | The web sites are legal but the content is made available illegally. Also downloading available contents may be illegal but it is not theft. And, how do you know that people who may download these movies don't buy a copy at a store after the movie has been watched? | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Its less about the restriction and more about the price. Not just that, but you can often get DVD's for WAY cheaper than $20.
It's just like the networks' demands on Apple with iTunes. They wanted to increase the price to the point it would be way cheaper to just buy the entire season on DVD.
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| well this is the first I had heard of it But maybe that's because I don't think of Walmart when I want to go buy media.
Wal-mart has some serious image issues when it comes to the internet. They should concentrate on what they are good at, moving phyiscal merchandise.....their site to store option with no shipping really kicks ass....if they could just get around the tax issue like Amazon does. | |
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| | Apple Just in time for Apple to introduce their movie rental business. Somehow I doubt movies from iTunes would be much cheaper or burnable to DVDs and yet somehow their venture will likely succeed. Wonder why... | |
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London, ON | Re: Apple They'll have to price it in line with regular DVD rentals otherwise there's not much point in renting from them. I can see it being $1-2 more than the typical rental place because of convenience but much more than that and I doubt it'll succeed. | |
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kudos:18 | Re: Apple I can rent DVDs for $0.99 and play them on whatever! | |
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| said by verolom:Just in time for Apple to introduce their movie rental business. Somehow I doubt movies from iTunes would be much cheaper or burnable to DVDs and yet somehow their venture will likely succeed. Wonder why... Because there's a large enough segment of this country that would line up with hundred dollar bills if Steve Jobs vomited in a bowl and put an Apple logo on it. | |
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Howell, MI | Re: Amazon UnBox I got a Blu Ray player for Christmas and I'll never go back either. I love how DVDs are upscaled to 1080 also. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | I'm not a big TiVo fan but I happen to be browsing Amazon.com today with a gift cert I received and clicked on the unbox ad. I was pleasantly surprised that they were renting movies like Transformers for only $0.99. That's a great deal, 80% cheaper than PPV, and even cheaper or as cheap as the local mom-and-pop video rental stores.
I have no problem with DRM with movie rentals. I'd gladly deal with DRM and just watch the movie rather than having to drive to the store to rent the movie then drive home, then have to do it all over when I'm done watching it.
It almost makes it worth buying a TiVo. | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Amazon UnBox I have an older Series2 TiVO that the Amazon Unbox link has given new life. I can sit here with my analog cable and browse the "pay-per-view" list on Amazon and several other sources with ease and the ones I want can then be downloaded to my TiVO for watching at my leisure, cheaper than what the cable company charges for PPV and their "digital" package. | |
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Suffern, NY | said by BillRoland:I've recently begun using the Amazon UnBox video download service. I'm not terribly wild about the downloading agent you have to install, but its minimally intrusive (I disable the service and the auto-start with Windows Defender when I don't have anything coming up). Sure, the movies I download come with DRM, but should I lose it or something happen I can easily re-download it from Amazon, and the prices are right ($1.99 for hour long TV shows at DVD quality? Who can beat that?) I've also purchased quite a few DRM free MP3's at Amazon too. Overall Amazon seems to be on the right track with a "Cheap and Easy" model. Its not surprising to see Wal-Mart (and others) fail when they provide something that is neither cheap nor easy. Of course Amazon UnBox is restricted to Windows users (and I think only those with XP or better) and has no support for Mac Owners (except for those who have a MacTel CPU and can thus run Windows Native Mode) who run MacOS X. | |
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Atlanta, GA | Re: Amazon UnBox said by RARPSL:Of course Amazon UnBox is restricted to Windows users (and I think only those with XP or better) and has no support for Mac Owners (except for those who have a MacTel CPU and can thus run Windows Native Mode) who run MacOS X. Amazon Unbox also works on any TiVO Series2 or higher with a broadband connection. You can browse and download right from/to your TiVO without the need for a computer connection (PC or otherwise). | |
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Suffern, NY | Re: Amazon UnBox said by fuziwuzi:said by RARPSL:Of course Amazon UnBox is restricted to Windows users (and I think only those with XP or better) and has no support for Mac Owners (except for those who have a MacTel CPU and can thus run Windows Native Mode) who run MacOS X. Amazon Unbox also works on any TiVO Series2 or higher with a broadband connection. You can browse and download right from/to your TiVO without the need for a computer connection (PC or otherwise). I'll acknowledge the TiVO capability. What I was commenting on was the ability to use it on a Computer where the "Windows-Only - We refuse to support Mac Users" restrictions are not made obvious until you try to access it from a Mac - At which point you are finally presented with the "Drop Dead Mac User" notice. Since a little check on the Browser Platform can be done by the Server, the text can be altered to warn the Mac User (or placed there in the first place). | |
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kudos:4 | DRM When are these businesses going to get it?
people want versatility[doesnt play on dvd players yet costs as much as an in store dvd]
look at the pirate sites
good quality, plays in anything, no DRM.
it isnt rocket science what people want.
tip to wal*mart: 500kbps is *NOT* anywhere near dvd quality.
tip to HP: its your DRM and internet explorer only solution people aren't interested in.
clone a pirate site and slap a shopping cart on it[instant success]
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kudos:1 | Price No wonder this failed badly. For $20, I'd much rather walk over to the store and buy the damn DVD. | |
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Bethlehem, PA | Price said by TheMG:No wonder this failed badly. For $20, I'd much rather walk over to the store and buy the damn DVD. No wonder this failed badly. For $20, I'd much rather down load it for free than buy the damn DVD.
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Smithfield, NC | Wal-Mart's DVD mail rental didn't last long either, it was a money loser.
In this case it wasn't Wal-Mart driving the high price, it was the content providers. The thought of downloadable movies makes them 1) paranoid about copying, while simultaneously 2) wanting to immediately cash in huge from it. The resulting DRM and high price results in no sales and kills it every time.
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I'll gladly use a download service, even with DRM, if it is priced competitively with Netflix, and it works as well as a DVD.
The trouble is that between HP, Walmart and the studios, they get lost in the Chinese-arithmetic ("... if we can sell a sack of rice to a billion people ...") long before they bother to study the habits or preferences of the public.
They never bother to witness how DRM destroys a PC - how the average consumer will simply give up on the concept, long before they have the opportunity to be ripped $20 for a $3 rental.
And on pricing - while I know that consumers respond to "... as low as $19.99", for movie rentals, they really should promote the top-tier price ("No more than $4/movie") if they want to convince us to use their service. | |
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