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kudos:9 | Re: Amazon PIV... said by EdmundGerber:We all know how competent Wall Street is, don't we? They are to the 21st century what the catholic church was to the dark ages....
The "Dark Ages" weren't so dark, and the Catholic Church copied and preserved a significant amount of ancient learned writing. None of which applies to Wall Street competence, or lack thereof, in any case.
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|  DownTheShoreStronger Than The StormPremium
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| The lower-than-they-had-hoped additions caused Morgan Stanley analysts to insist that Netflix needs to raise prices
I'm an Amazon Prime subscriber with a Roku box, who's been looking into Netflix. Right now, the price is attractive because it is relatively competitive. If they raise it? Then no, I won't even bother considering because the value to me just won't be there.
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| Re: Amazon PIV... I'm an Amazon Prime subscriber with a Roku box, who's been looking into Netflix. Right now, the price is attractive because it is relatively competitive. If they raise it? Then no, I won't even bother considering because the value to me just won't be there.
In addition, Netflix has lost the right to stream from quite a few content providers, further weakening Wall streets notion that prices need to be raised.
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| | | | | Re: Amazon PIV... Wall Street wants them to raise the price so that they'll slow the flood from traditional cable/satellite. | |
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| Re: Amazon PIV... said by en103:Wall Street wants them to raise the price so that they'll slow the flood from traditional cable/satellite.
This sounds more like it.
Also consider the impact Netflix has had on Itunes.
Amazon would also win.
Redbox.
Vudu.
Hulu.
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And how many devices can you view it on? | |
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|  BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by kapil:...the closest competitor is around $6.50/month and that includes the video streaming, kindle lending library and the free two day shipping. Wall Street is on crack.
Difference is you have to pay $80 UPFRONT and the library has even less content that Netflix. 2 days free shipping is not a big deal to me. | |
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| | No... They better tell wall st to shove it. | |
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| | Netflix` The video quality is not even near Blue ray qualitiy. All we need is someone to offer better codec and quality videos. Then Netflix is out the windows. Oh, yeah also lower rates. | |
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| | | Re: Netflix` I'd say about 1% care about video quality. Do you see the crap people watch on Youtube?
Content will drive a switch from Netflix, not 1080p. Remember how many people are watching awful SD on those HD LCD's they have. | |
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| | | | Re: Netflix` The crap people watch on youtube is FREE | |
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| | | | | Re: Netflix` The crap they watch on MTV and some of the other cable channels isn't.
The reality is people don't care that much about HD. More of them complain about how it costs more than actually have it. Very few people care about image quality anymore, and that comes down to the grainy crap they've become used to on Youtube. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Netflix` I have that Youtube add-on that forces all videos to HD. I got to see the videos at 720p or forget it. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Netflix` Maybe you do, how many people do you think are adding plug-ins to their browser or even know what a plug-in is? | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Netflix` Very small amount of people. I hope they learn and demand better quality. | |
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Demand better quality from a site that allows any user to post any video they made? You're hilarious. | |
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| | | | | | The reality is YOU don't care that much about HD, or people in Cumberland don't care about HD.
Plenty of us care about video quality. Oh, and who watches MTV anymore? | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: Netflix` So true. | |
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| Re: Netflix` I wonder what device the quality looks bad on...
HD on consoles, from what I've seen, is about the best it gets. Indeed, I have seen some cases where it easily rivals some cable/sat. quality.
Even though it's "4th gen" level compression, at a lower bitrate than MPEG2-HD, the content appears to be done with quality in mind, with several passes of encoding - the result is fewer artifacts than MPEG2 based content, which can result in a nicer quality, even with lower bitrate than would be preferred.
In any case, I think people get all upset too easily about this stuff.
It used to be about $10/mo. with 1 DVD /mo.
If they went to $9/mo. I doubt people would care much. Would sure be nice if they got a bit more content though. I haven't even used my Netflix streaming much in the past few months. Very close to considering cancelling it, as I just don't use it much, but it is nice to have it there from time to time. | |
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My choices are Comcast and FiOS. I have Comcast at another location and it is terrible compared to streaming and FiOS.
Look like you many have Atlantic Broadband. I have no idea how they are. | |
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| | | | | What I've found is that Netflix quality is different from one device to another too. It looks better on my TV app and my PC than it does on the Xbox360. All are on the same FiOS connection with the same TV, but the video quality is different to my eyes. | |
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| | | | To be fair, the stuff that's on Youtube is crap... I expect better quality when I'm paying to watch something. | |
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|  CheesePremium
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kudos:1 | For 8 a month, what do you honestly expect? | |
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Etobicoke, ON | said by brianiscool:The video quality is not even near Blue ray qualitiy. All we need is someone to offer better codec and quality videos. Then Netflix is out the windows. Oh, yeah also lower rates.
Netflix whitelists certain devices to have 1080p vs 720p content which is annoying when you have a device that can play 1080p content fine except for Netflix, but what is considerably more annoying is the whitelisting of 5.1 sound vs stereo. | |
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| BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by brianiscool:The video quality is not even near Blue ray qualitiy. All we need is someone to offer better codec and quality videos. Then Netflix is out the windows. Oh, yeah also lower rates. $8 to rich for your blood. Netflix content problem is directly tied t the fact they only charging $8 a month. $8 X 25 mil customers X 12 months = $2.4 billion a year. Even if 100% could be spent on content it's not enough.
As far as video quality? Blu-ray is 40 Mbps. Hell even my internet connection is only 30 Mbps. Also most of us have caps. At 40 Mbps that would use 17.5 GB per hour. My 250 GB cap would be gone in 14 hours. | |
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| | Typical Short-Sighted Wall Street Let's cash in for ourselves, the company be damned.
So growth is sluggish and you want to RAISE prices? Yes, this is logical. This will really help Netflix perform better and get more customers. | |
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| | I agree with you Karl. I think we all saw what happened after the first tried raising prices and their stock got pounded back then. They walk a very fine line with their pricing and I they know that. I personally do not use Netflix any more and I know many people who have gotten rid of it in the past year.
If I want to watch movies I use Redbox and for TV shows I will DVR them. There are very few TV shows that I need to watch that badly. | |
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1 edit |  Raising prices could be deadly for Netflix
Amazon Prime members can stream a lot for free at $79/yr . But if you want to watch the more current, popular, non-free stuff, it can run you $2 to $4 each.
HBO would undoubtedly be higher priced as an independent(not tied to cable subscribers) streamer. When did HBO EVER do anything that was inexpensive?
But the RedBox streaming venture, if it comes in cheaper as advertised, could be a big blow to Netflix subscriber numbers. Until Netflix sees how RedBox makes out, it would be better to hold off on raising prices.
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| | Netflix needs to add PPV as option Netflix needs to figure out how to get recent movies and if PPV is the way to go, they should do it. Netflix app is available on more TVs than any other service. Most studios/distributors would probably work with them on PPV if volume is higher than other players. Netflix might even be able to charge a buck less per view with higher volume. Whatever they do, they need to figure out how to get new titles at least as an option to the trad service. | |
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| BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: Netflix needs to add PPV as option said by xenophon:Netflix needs to figure out how to get recent movies and if PPV is the way to go, they should do it.
I've been saying this for a long time. It would bring in extra revenue. if I want to watch some PPV movie I have to go through Amazon or Vudu. It'd be nice to just stay with Netflix. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Spend More on Content? Shouldn't NetFlix spend more on content? They don't provide the connection, the consumer pays for that. They don't provide the "cable box", the consumer provides a suitable computing device. They don't have to make "service calls", the consumer provides that by calling their connection provider if that isn't working or contacting their computing device manufacturer if it isn't working.
NetFlix expenses are in funding the necessary computing infrastructure to stream video streams (no small expense), access to an existing delivery infrastructure (not trivial but probably cheap enough that it still keeps Ed Whitacre up at night) and paying for the content their subscribers view.
Why would Wall Street believe that they should have rates more in line with the likes of cable companies and HBO even though the dynamics of what they provide are quite different? | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Spend More on Content? I just realized they aren't comparing it to cable companies. My bad. However, it does appear they are comparing it to content creators which still probably has different dynamics. At least these days most of the networks named are funding the creation of their own custom content rather than just reruns of movies/broadcast network programs. | |
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| BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by rradina:Shouldn't NetFlix spend more on content? At 25 million customers at $8 a month that's a total of $2.4 bil in revenue per year. Even if 100% could be spent on content would that be enough? Just to get Starz back would cost them $500 million a year and that's Starz. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Spend More on Content? I'm surprised they don't go to some kind of royalty model. They know what's being viewed and it seems better to just pay the content creators a small fee per unique title viewed over the course of a month, per subscriber. This is like whip cream on top of the gravy for the content creators. | |
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kudos:7 | i will cancel Netflix if... the current streaming only rate is raised. | |
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| | Cable Overcharges It is not that Netflex under charges, but that cable providers over change because of the goernment imposed monopoly/duopoly they have. | |
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| | | Re: Cable Overcharges The cable providers are not overcharging because of that. The government is not imposing a monopoly/duopoly, the market is doing that to itself by choice. Multiple providers don't feel its profitable, it's largely an industry that is believed to be a natural monopoly.
But the reason cable costs so much is the programmers wanting more and more for their garbage. The cable providers are stuck between a rock and a hard place, they can't keep costs down and they can't keep customers without the content. | |
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| | | | Re: Cable Overcharges I don't know where you live, but here in the state of Taxsylvania the government has imposed restrictions. Each little ogvernment body has its hand out to grant exclusive access. It's not a true free market, if it were this wouldn't exist. | |
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Santa Monica, CA | said by NonCableUser :It is not that Netflex under charges, but that cable providers over change because of the goernment imposed monopoly/duopoly they have.
Cite, please?
The government does not "impose" a monopoly or duopoly.
Reality does. The wired last mile is capital-intense. Not many locations are dense enough to tempt an over-builder to take the risk to chase $30/month rents. | |
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2 edits | I think Netflix could get away with $9.99 So long as they're still in single digits I think people will eat it. The service is inelastic when it's below $10. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: I think Netflix could get away with $9.99 said by skeechan:So long as they're still in single digits I think people will eat it. The service is inelastic when it's below $10.
Agreed. If it was $9.99 a month I'd stay with them. They go above that and I'll give Amazon a second look.
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| The fact is they DO need to raise prices Netflix must raise prices in the long run to survive. The content for streaming is simply too expensive to last on the current model and price point. Amazon gets by with their streaming because it is subsidized by the cost of Prime and the added sales from uses for these customers.
I have no confidence in the CEO of Netflix after the nutty attempt to split the company into streaming and DVD - and rename one of them - while also raising rates so dramatically. If the management team is this dense as to approve all those decision, I'm not certain that the company is being led in the right direction by the right team. | |
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Santa Monica, CA | Netflix needs to raise rates Its inevitable.
How else can they buy the content people actually want to watch, and how will they pay for delivery guarantees?
While they don't really have to worry about "competition" from Redbox, Blockbuster, or Amazon - those libraries are even more pathetic, they're losing what little content they already had. | |
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| | Netflix Price in Canada. If Netflix actually offered teh same content in Canada that they did in the states I would gladly pay 15$ a month, Sadly I have SEEn the content in teh states vs Canadian content and frankly, at roughly 1/3 the choice? If they raise it again it's not worth it. I'm done paying to get ripped off.
I figure at 7.99 it's worth it, I can usually find 2-3 movies a month to watch on it which if I rented would be about 5$ each.
But if you granted Canadians the option to view the content? Then we'd be happy and they'd probably gain customers. | |
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kudos:1 | Who does Wall Street think they are... To tell a company how to run their business... wow... | |
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| | | Re: Who does Wall Street think they are... said by Cheese:
To tell a company how to run their business... wow...
Ummm... where you been... Gordon Gecko(s) have been in charge for a while now... and ruining business for profits for decades...
Prime example.. FiOS. Short sighted investers who don't get it, and just want PAID NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW.
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I was thinking the same thing, although I know businesses listen to Wall Street, for some dumb apparent reason, but this is ridiculous!
Wall Street is what got us in the totally messed state we're in and have been for years now!!
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| | Investor logic Just my opinion, but I think this is what's going on here.
First, think about who Netflix is competing against. Mainly, it's the cable companies, since Netflix is directly threatening PPV revenues and also contributing to some people's willingness to either cut the cord or downgrade channel packages. Netflix is also competing against the movie studios, since having easy access to movie rentals drives down movie purchases. Next are chains like Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, etc., who have been decimated by Netflix. And then there's Redbox, Amazon, etc.
Now look at this from an investor's point of view. These people have money that they want a return on, so they shop for the best rate of return they can get, just as you shop for the best interest rates at banks when looking to open an account. The investors want Netflix to do something to cause their stock price to increase, since they care more about stock appreciation than actual profits. So, if Netflix raises prices and does well, investors are happy. OTOH, if Netflix raises prices and does terribly, well, the investors will likely have dumped the stock on its way down, so they're out before the company actually dies. And what will they do with their cash after dumping Netflix's stock? They can use it to invest in one of Netflix's competitors, companies that will likely see their stock price increase if Netflix leaves the market. Again, investors win.
So these people are by no means stupid. They may seem stupid from the perspective of how this move would affect the health of Netflix, but it makes perfect sense when you realize that all they want out of Netflix is immediate cash. If Netflix prospers, they keep riding the gravy train. If Netflix dies, they'll move their money to the companies that benefit from its demise. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Investor logic said by ISurfTooMuch:So these people are by no means stupid. They may seem stupid from the perspective of how this move would affect the health of Netflix, but it makes perfect sense when you realize that all they want out of Netflix is immediate cash. If Netflix prospers, they keep riding the gravy train. If Netflix dies, they'll move their money to the companies that benefit from its demise.
And the trick, as always, is to get out before the stock price starts quickly dropping. Investing pros(mutual funds, institutional investors, etc) get out quick. The small investors are almost always too slow to react.
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Lakewood, OH | Should Raise Prices - and i am gone Netflix should raise its prices to 20 or 30 a month and get some good content. On the flip side if they do raise the prices i will be cancelling my subscription. | |
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I can understand wanting to go public (you get to sell your shares and instantly get access to a tonne of funds) but you loose your autonomy and have shareholders (especially the big ones) breathing down your neck to make more money to make the shares worth more.
I suppose if I had my own company I'd only go public if I really needed the funds to make some capital investments or something. | |
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| Re: This is the downside of being a publicly traded company. Well, that was suppose to be Wall St.'s purpose, to provide funding for business, but it has turned into a monster. The shift away from 'doing business' and instead focusing on pleasing Wall St. and the shareholders is a MAJOR problem with today's economy, IMO. There is simply no reason to maximize shareholder profits... if you buy a stock, you make money when the company does well. Don't like the way the company runs its business?? SELL THE STOCK!!! You have no right to demand anything unless you are a participating member of the company. Owning a piece of paper you got from your stock broker doesn't make you a participating member of the company. | |
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kudos:1 | wallkiss Wall street needs to kiss my biscuit maker! I'm sick and tired of crap going up because some fat cats want yet even more gravy... Looks like if they get their wish this will be yet another service i'll trim out of the budget.. I'm only doing DVD rentals being broadband isn't a real option here.... | |
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