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Warner Backs Off 56 Day Red Box New Release Delay
Allows Red Box to Return to 28 Day Delay
by Karl Bode 08:48AM Friday Oct 26 2012
In the futile hope that it would help save physical DVD sales in the age of streaming video, most major studios forced video streaming and rental outfits (and libraries) to agree to a 28 day delay for new movie releases. Once that was in place, the studios started pushing to have that delay extended further -- to 56 days. RedBox balked at the request earlier this year and appears to have won a small victory, with Warner Brothers now backing off the demand -- allowing Red Box to offer new releases after 28 days again. In exchange for this honor, Red Box has agreed to help push Warner Brothers' Ultraviolet digital download initiative, and to buy a larger catalog of titles for Red Box's upcoming streaming venture with Verizon.

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Good Job Redbox

Stand up for your right!!! Don't let them control you!!!!

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Rental Delays Breed Pirating

Don't want to take my money? Fine, I'll just download it instead. The download gives me the added benefit of no previews or warnings too.

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Re: Rental Delays Breed Pirating

Do all RedBox DVDs force you to watch 10 minutes of previews before the movie? I rented one movie from Red Box and I had to watch 10 minutes of previews so I guessed they were all like that and never rented one again.
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I don't think they all force you to watch them. You can skip ahead on some of them.

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Re: Rental Delays Breed Pirating

The movie I rented would not allow me to skip the previews but I later wound up a store bought copy of the same movie later on and I could skip the adds on that one. So I assume that redbox versions won't allow it.
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Re: Rental Delays Breed Pirating

said by battleop:

The movie I rented would not allow me to skip the previews but I later wound up a store bought copy of the same movie later on and I could skip the adds on that one. So I assume that redbox versions won't allow it.

They don't allow you to skip, but they do allow you to fast forward.
Still, Redbox (if you're listening), I've been renting fewer movies from you because of this.

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said by kontos:

said by battleop:

The movie I rented would not allow me to skip the previews but I later wound up a store bought copy of the same movie later on and I could skip the adds on that one. So I assume that redbox versions won't allow it.

They don't allow you to skip, but they do allow you to fast forward.
Still, Redbox (if you're listening), I've been renting fewer movies from you because of this.

Seriously this is an issue? You're renting a god damn movie for $1.20. WTF do you expect? Want to be able to skip preview then be prepared to pay $4 for the movie. No such thing as a free lunch. Here's an idea go take a shit, fix some popcorn and drinks and the previews will be over by then.

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Insert "Well that escalated quickly." image here.

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Is your MO to come into any thread and say the exact opposite of everyone else?

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said by ptrowski:

Is your MO to come into any thread and say the exact opposite of everyone else?

If that is true, so what? It helps prevent the "groupthink" prevalent in forums like BBR. A "devils advocate" should always be welcome.
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said by ptrowski:

Is your MO to come into any thread and say the exact opposite of everyone else?

He plays the corporate shill. You can go in every thread and he is either trolling for additional comments or he actually believes the delusions he puts forth, either way its good for a chuckle. (just dont feed him).

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said by ptrowski:

Is your MO to come into any thread and say the exact opposite of everyone else?

You want to all sit around a campfire singing kum-by-ya? Is this discussion forum or an "everyone all agree with everyone else like lemmings" forum?

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said by 88615298:

said by ptrowski:

Is your MO to come into any thread and say the exact opposite of everyone else?

You want to all sit around a campfire singing kum-by-ya? Is this discussion forum or an "everyone all agree with everyone else like lemmings" forum?

Nope, was just a simple question as it seems you love to take the opposite view in any thread. No worries.
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said by 88615298:

Seriously this is an issue? You're renting a god damn movie for $1.20. WTF do you expect? Want to be able to skip preview then be prepared to pay $4 for the movie. No such thing as a free lunch. Here's an idea go take a shit, fix some popcorn and drinks and the previews will be over by then.

Yes it's an issue. The music industry learned this lesson the hard way. They tried offering DRM-locked music and it didn't fly with consumers because they could pirate convenient, universally usable music.

They were forced to offer consumers what they really wanted. MP3s and DRM-free iTunes downloads.

The movie industry needs to step up their game. There are lots of us that would be glad to pay a premium for a nice legal service that offers the latest movies at fair prices. Instead we get 28+ day delays and unstoppable ads.

When you try to do the right thing by going legal and get treated to this sort of nonsense, it doesn't feel like much of a reward.
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said by djrobx:

Yes it's an issue. The music industry learned this lesson the hard way. They tried offering DRM-locked music and it didn't fly with consumers because they could pirate convenient, universally usable music.

They were forced to offer consumers what they really wanted. MP3s and DRM-free iTunes downloads.

Huge difference between DRM and previews on DVDs, this discussion is about previews. Personally I don't give 2 shits if you want to make copies of your DVDs for personal use. Doesn't matter to me.
Skippy25

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Stop Stop Play goes to the feature movie on virtually every DVD and DVD player I have ever tried it on.
8744675

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Yeah it sucks. Same thing in the movie theaters. Last time I went it was about 30 minutes of promotions and ads before the movie started. Usually when you pay for something, you don't don't have to put up with ads. C'ept for the movie industry, who milks your soul for every last dollar they can squeeze out of you.
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Re: Rental Delays Breed Pirating

And don't forget the ads written into the movie's script

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Those are OK as long as they aren't glaringly obvious. Every vehicle in the movie is a new Ford? OK, I can deal with it, it doesn't distract from the movie that much. The lead characters carrying on a dialog for 90 seconds about how good a fucking Pepsi tastes? Ruins the movie.

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What movie has a character going on about how good a Pepsi tastes?

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It was a generalization used to make a point. I don't have a specific example handy but I wouldn't be surprised if more than one exists.

I do have an example of blatant placement advertising, but it was in a TV show though. This season on the Showtime series "Episodes" (my wife likes it and forces me to watch it with her) two of the lead characters received new cars as gifts. I think they were Mercedes, but not entirely sure. Anyway, they were prominently displayed in most of the episodes. And in the episode when they first appeared one of the lead characters went on and on about the features of the car.

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My wife loves Project Runway. That show has become a 1 hour commercial basically. There was the Infiniti challenge, they always show random makeup stuff and then the people talking how they love the company's product. It's even built into the scripts.

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said by Wilsdom:

And don't forget the ads written into the movie's script

DVR fast forward ad skipping are forcing those buying ads to move to this method. Technology that allows not watching ads is forcing TV networks to use alternate methods to fund content.
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said by FFH:

DVR fast forward ad skipping are forcing those buying ads to move to this method. Technology that allows not watching ads is forcing TV networks to use alternate methods to fund content.

How do they know when viewers are fast forwarding through the ads on the DVDs?
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NPGMBR

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Personally I don't mind promotions at the Movie theater because I get to see whats coming and I've clocked the promotions at 15 minutes at theaters.
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said by 8744675:

Usually when you pay for something, you don't don't have to put up with ads.

you mean like with:
cable television.
sporting events.
xbox live.
newspapers.
magazines.
etc.
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ads are showing up on store bought DVDs too. Which is wrong. They sold that DVD at retail which means they made a profit and a hefty profit at that. Going to figure in their sheer volume, it likely costs a studio maybe two bucks to get a DVD or Blu-Ray from fab to Walmart. blank media is exceptionally cheap per unit at the millions of disks volume, And when you ship out that much stuff UPS also offers a huge discount

Thankfully it is not wrong yet to rip the movie file from the disk and keep it on a media server.
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said by Kearnstd:

.........

Thankfully it is not wrong yet to rip the movie file from the disk and keep it on a media server.

Look at the news on the front page of the site.

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Companies can push ads on their customers only to a point before consumers lash back. Can you imagine if we had advertisements included with our purchased music?

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Thanks! That song will be playing in my little pea-brain all day!
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said by Kearnstd:

Thankfully it is not wrong yet to rip the movie file from the disk and keep it on a media server.

You might want to check that assumption! I am not going to tell you to stop, but I searched on, "ripping dvd fair use", and came up with some interesting links, dating to 2006, where MPAA/RIAA not only believe it is wrong (both for CDs, and for DVDs), but plan to push it into law.

Personally, I don't see why they are so anal, other than pure profiteering.
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My idea.

I buy movie, I then rip movie, no ads and no warnings. All movies go into my media server.