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FiL
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| Re: Jabari being fitted for tin foil hat you had to edit that post?
K, in your opinion, things of this nature shouldn't be discussed. Self fulling prophecy, anyone? You play into the "tin-foi hat" crowd as a do-what-big-daddy-wants drone. Guess you like taht kind of cycle.
I on the other hand enjoy discussing, on a discussion board, topics ranging from broadband, to sports, movies, music, and even, gasp, government spying! People such as yourself won't "stop" the discussion with meaningless redirect and name calling, unless of course "tin foiling a hat" is something more or less meant as a factual description of a poster, or am I missing something?
With recent news on government spying, why would this seem such a far fetched idea?
But hey, you can be as reactionartory as you want, like the pigs/cops around my way. I say both terms because their are some slobs on the force and there are some "pro-active" policemen that take part in community. Which is better for our country? | |
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S_engineer
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| Re: Jabari being fitted for tin foil hat You may be correct in some of your assessment, but in this topic I think you're not. Jabari throws out an allegation and it makes it BBR. This is not relevent unless is proven!
My comcast was out all day yesterday, is this too part of the vast government conspiracy????
Or maybe, just maybe, they have some problems with their network....JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!
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gaforces
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1 edit | He is the one who submits these news items (to dslr) to begin with a lot of the time, so why wouldnt he want to discuss it?
I dont doubt that the govt could screw up someones network with monitoring software, look who we have elected. | |
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kapil
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join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | Re: Jabari being fitted for tin foil hat While I share your contempt for our elected officials, it's not the Congress, nor the other two branches of government, that runs the networks. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
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Santa Cruz, CA
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| Re: Jabari being fitted for tin foil hat said by kapil  :While I share your contempt for our elected officials, it's not the Congress, nor the other two branches of government, that runs the networks. They dont run it, but they monitor and regulate it, with our votes.
Balancing privacy issues and accountability to uphold the law that we delegated to our govt officials.
No doubt there are many issues with this, but since we have these things we call laws, we have to deal with it.
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joako
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/dev/null | I'm very open minded.
So besides the outage, what evidence is there?
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major marco
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Stepford, CA
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| Tin foil notwithstanding the fact remains that we'll never know exactly what the deal was with the outage. I believe it's very possible the outage was caused by either hacking and/or government intrusion. Skype will never admit to either. But if you live in the real world and can think for yourself instead of following some official corporate/government line, then either of the above-referenced are very real possibilities.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
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Santa Cruz, CA
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| Re: Tin foil notwithstanding said by major marco :the fact remains that we'll never know exactly what the deal was with the outage. I believe it's very possible the outage was caused by either hacking and/or government intrusion. Skype will never admit to either. But if you live in the real world and can think for yourself instead of following some official corporate/government line, then either of the above-referenced are very real possibilities. All your packets are mine! Er,,, the govts.
(They know your MAC address)
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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1 edit | But we do know what happened I posted this earlier on a related thread.
Well here is what actually happened to Skype
From issue 2618 of New Scientist magazine, 24 August 2007, page 25
The two-day outage of one of the world's largest peer-to-peer (P2P) interned services has raised concerns about the technology's robustness.
P2P networks are touted as the future of internet distribution for video and TV, since the high bandwidth that would normally be provided by central servers is instead shared between individual network members, removing the problem of data bottlenecks.
But on 16 August, the Skype internet telephony network, which depends on P2P, crashed. MIllions of users' computers had rebooted almost simultaneously during a routine update of Windows software. This reduced the network's resources, and when that multitude of freshly rebooted computers sent their combined log-in requests to Skype, its servers buckled.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: But we do know what happened This would be more interesting... To be able to have the MS patch ability so that you could reboot millions of PC's at the same time. Better hope that MS-Patches are secure.
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| August 16 was a Thursday. Microsoft released their patches on August 14, which is a Tuesday, just like they've done for the past several years.
I guess all those Skype users waited until Thursday to apply the patches? That's doubtful. Most people have their machines set to auto-update, which means the great majority would've been rebooting on Tuesday. | |
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clubs: | i did not install any Ms patchs
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1 edit | Re: But we do know what happened said by Anonymous_ :i did not install any Ms patchs i never install patchs cause they just slow down the computer Yup, they just slow down the computer.
And protect it.
And, hmmm, gee, fix critical bugs.
But all that doesn't matter because you think it "just slows down the computer." Do you have a similiar policy on oil changes for your car? "I never get my oil changed because I have to stop driving and take it in."
You go right ahead and don't patch your OS. With that kind of attitude I bet you don't have an updated antivirus (or one at all) nor an antispyware program. So when your pc grinds to a halt with ten viruses, twenty trojans, and 200 load-on-start spyware apps that take up 100% of your CPU time and make your entire system completely unusuable, remember to tell other people how those Microsoft patches just slow the system down. Not to mention how your compromised system could be levied as a zombie computer to further DDoS attacks or spread spam/even more viruses.
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clubs: | Re: But we do know what happened i do not use IE 6.0 so nice try | |
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1 edit | Re: But we do know what happened said by Anonymous_ :i do not use IE 6.0 so nice try If you think all problems stem from IE 6.0, you are worse than I thought. Try looking up some of the bugs and holes those patches fix. Some are holes IN WINDOWS ITSELF. So, nice try yourself.
But I guess if you are the type who thinks using any browser other than IE protects you from every form of bug, virus, and spyware out there, then you really don't know what you think you do.
Psssst, here's a little tip. Some of these critical bugs don't involve your browser at all.
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
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1 edit | Re: But we do know what happened i am not a stupid user
i only go on tursted sites | |
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join:2006-05-30
Lynchburg, VA
| Re: But we do know what happened said by Anonymous_ : i am not a stupid user i only go on tursted sites Since you obviously don't get it, let me explain this in simple terms.
Not. Every. Flaw. Is. With. Your. Browser.
You use Windows Media Player at all? Guess what? It's only been patched a hundred times for security flaws. How about a few stack overflows? Use any other internet-connected program? You run a firewall? You are on broadband, right? You realize that people can get INTO your system, right? An IP scan and a simple tunneling into your system by means of an unpatch security hole in WINDOWS, not your browser, but WINDOWS and you can be screwed.
Your browser is not, repeat NOT the only connection to the internet you have. If you have broadband, and I assume you do since you at this site, simply sitting at your desktop with no active applications running YOU ARE STILL CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET. You might not understand this but even when you are not surfing the web there are, to put it in terms you can understand, programs and other gizmos whirring in the background that CAN and ARE connected to the internet. Continuing with the simple explanation, there are dozens of programs BUILT-INTO Windows that have been patched due to security flaws that let people gain access to the system.
You don't know what you are talking about and you are making it more and more obvious to the people who do. Trust me on this, leaving your OS unpatched at the very least exposes you to security issues that affect you alone. At the very worst it HELPS those who wish to compromise and infect other systems.
You keep thinking running an unpatched system is safe. Keep thinking using any browser but IE 6.0 is safe. Keep thinking that visiting only "trusted sites" keeps you safe. You are sorely, sorely mistaken and I hope you don't learn the lesson the hard way by having your system compromised, if it isn't already.
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| dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN | Re: Plausible Except there really are no fiber or copper cuts- every one is caused by the federal government installing surveilence equipment on those lines. Except the ones caused by alien spacecraft, of course. | |
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ricep5
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Jacksonville, FL | Paranoid to the utmost Just another example of today's society that would rather print speculation and attempt to get non-denials then actually do some legwork and find out what really happened. | |
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NyQuil Kid
8f The Nyquil Kid
join:2001-01-06
Brick, NJ
·Comcast
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1 edit | More likely that.... "Jabari Zakiya over at Free Software Magazine thinks it’s a reasonable possibility."
The AP reported today that while the aforementioned quote is a possibility, it was a fact that Jabari Zakiya is a moron.
You may now continue with your regularly scheduled reading of tin-foil postings, already in progress...
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Auburn, AL
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| Re: More likely that.... said by NyQuil Kid :Jabari Zakiya is a moron. Amen.
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mgbaker
join:2000-05-14
Charlotte, NC | Sometimes, shite just happens. Really. Paranoid pudden-headed rubbish. | |
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| dualsub2006
join:2007-07-18
Newport, KY | Re: Sometimes, shite just happens. Really. Just because he's not paranoid doesn't mean that everyone isn't out to get him.  | |
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garmst
join:2000-09-17
New York, NY | SKYPE uses point to point encryption Therefore architecturally the GOV cannot intercept the contents of the call. They might be able to intercept the call setup with the SKYPE servers, that is about it. | |
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| CMoore2004
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join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI
| Re: SKYPE uses point to point encryption If you know the call is taking place, you can intercept it anywhere in between. But then again, I bet the intelligence agencies couldn't get around Skype's encryption because it's definitely top-notch.
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Get real fossy They sky is falling, the sky is falling.
Trying to gain new customers by hysteria and accusations they pulled out of their #$$  | |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| Jabari Zakiya is an imbecile Let's see- Skype's network crashes, and the first and most reasonable explanation that comes to Jabari Zakiya's mind is that the government somehow and for some reason takes it down, though he has no evidence to suggest this to be the case.
But the existance of "terrorists"? Apparently he's not so sure about that being as how he had to put the word in quotes. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: Jabari Zakiya is an imbecile said by dynodb :But the existance of "terrorists"? Apparently he's not so sure about that being as how he had to put the word in quotes. I could be *pedophiles*. | |
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misiek
join:2000-12-25
Round Lake, IL | Did *nix Skype users get affected? I wonder...
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| jsouth
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join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | Re: Did *nix Skype users get affected? I believe it was OS independent. Meaning the entire network was down.
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Newport, KY | Ubuntu Linux 7.04 here. Yes, Skype was out for us *nix users as well. | |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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Ogden, IA | Glad someone else said it. I was thinking the same thing, I just didn't want to post it. | |
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FAQFixer
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join:2004-06-28
Powder Springs, GA
1 edit | Stop the madness What an idiotic article. Usually you only see credibility given to these types of things by Karl. Asinine...completely asinine!!!!! | |
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Trinijoy
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Brick, NJ | shut up already! This is getting ridiculous now about this outage. Just for spite I hope skype shuts down for a day so all of you can remember, your not in a perfect world. | |
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@bellsouth.net | What about other outages? Around the same time as the Skype outage (Aug 5) there were also outages of email accounts like gmail that mysteriously worked again after a few days.
Was it just Skype? Or was Yahoo messenger, AIM, Gmail, etc. all involved? | |
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NoelC
D S L R Bliss
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-03
Florida
| Malice? A wise old geezer once told me: "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." Kind of an "Occam's Razor" for the social world.
I'm not saying I have an opinion one way or the other on this particular issue, but the saying has proven to have real meaning, at least in my purview.
On the other hand, there IS a lot of non-governmental malice on the internet. Just look at an intrusion log - of virtually any type, at pretty much any time. Some people just have too much time on their hands.
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