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join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | Yes! Lets make this happen with no bandwidth limits! Time for a new internet tax for everyone! | |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
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| Re: Yes! •We need a new tax as the old ones are getting stale. •The government is the best organization to decide how the Internet should be put together.
•People need this so we can spend more time in our home eating our super sized fries
•We need it symmetrical so we can share cool videos of we found for "free" from the other 100Mbps US users | |
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join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| Re: Yes! said by telcolackey  :•We need a new tax as the old ones are getting stale. •The government is the best organization to decide how the Internet should be put together. •People need this so we can spend more time in our home eating our super sized fries •We need it symmetrical so we can share cool videos of we found for "free" from the other 100Mbps US users Sounds good sign me up  | |
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join:2005-12-18 | Re: Yes! ditto!!! I'd love that kind of connection!!!! ( I've actually thought about getting a T1... they run around 115 a month here....) | |
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Ricky Smith
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join:2004-09-11
Winter Park, FL | Uhh? Woo? So when they say majority how much are we talking here? Other nations already have 100 Mbit and in 7 years from now is that really a huge difference? Verizon is already offering 50 Mbit in some areas. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Uhh? Woo? Symmetrical ?
Available to the masses ... or the few ?
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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Corona, CA | Re: a waste I submitted that item a few days ago to Karl. Never got FP. | |
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join:2006-12-21
Norfolk, VA
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| ^^ you apparently don't respect the internet.
as for 100mbps in every home ... it can't happen. not even in the next 10 years.
well actually it could happen but their would be people running servers left and right putting data centers out of biz .
why pay 100$ a month for a 20mbit line to the net for my server when i can get my neighbor to do it for like 20$ lol
personally i'd run maybe 10,20 game servers at 40$ a month on symmetrical 100mbps, and have my main pc as a WAREZ HOT BOX lol. | |
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Tzale
Ron Paul - No Bailout Conservative
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NJ, USA
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| Re: a waste said by gravesg :^^ you apparently don't respect the internet. as for 100mbps in every home ... it can't happen. not even in the next 10 years. well actually it could happen but their would be people running servers left and right putting data centers out of biz . why pay 100$ a month for a 20mbit line to the net for my server when i can get my neighbor to do it for like 20$ lol personally i'd run maybe 10,20 game servers at 40$ a month on symmetrical 100mbps, and have my main pc as a WAREZ HOT BOX lol. Ever think that in the future data centers will be offering gigabit connections and not megabit connections as the norm for most servers? Or perhaps we will reach a point where bandwidth usage will reach a near maximum in terms of usage? Don't forget data centers offer 99.99999% reliability, NO ISP can offer that.
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join:2006-12-21
Norfolk, VA
·Cox HSI
| Re: a waste now you know how reluctant data centers are on upgrading their network. although you do raise a point.
how many of us would really need our server on 1Gbit ???
well i can think of a few things but thats me.
game servers only require about 5Mbit's of dedicated bandwidth both ways.
as for other applications, you idea is proly the best i've seen at dslr. man when 1Gbit is standard for data centers that will be a marvelous time.
i really hope cable tries to push ftth insted of docsis 3.0
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P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Palmdale, CA
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| Re: a waste said by gravesg :now you know how reluctant data centers are on upgrading their network. although you do raise a point. how many of us would really need our server on 1Gbit ??? If you do alot of streaming audio at high quality bit rates, and you want to support lots of listeners, having a 1 gigabit per second connection would be useful. Also if you do lots of file transfer it'd be handy to have. A few data centers now offer 1GBPS, and though it won't be used much, for those that can use it, it will be handy for sure. A friend of mine has several internet radio stations and combined stream over 140mbps daily out his servers. What we really need is more upload at home, heck we've got plenty of download, now give us at least a solid 3mbps upstream! | |
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lopinboy
If you can read this.... RUN
join:2001-02-22
Huntersville, NC
| said by gravesg :how many of us would really need our server on 1Gbit ??? The same number of people who don't need more than 1 meg of RAM. At some point we'll need it and it would be nicer to have it now than to not have it when needed. | |
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8-bit Fun
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Corona, CA
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| Re: a waste It's not a dominant force in our lives. You live in a DSLR tech bubble. According to Pew, the majority of Americans, while having internet service, aren't obsessed with it. And even if people suddenly became obsessed, 100Mb symmetrical is overkill and unrealistic.
Dominant is a vague term. Electricity is dominant. Water is dominant. A 100Mb internet ain't. | |
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Tzale
Ron Paul - No Bailout Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
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| Re: a waste said by ColorBASIC :It's not a dominant force in our lives. You live in a DSLR tech bubble. According to Pew, the majority of Americans, while having internet service, aren't obsessed with it. And even if people suddenly became obsessed, 100Mb symmetrical is overkill and unrealistic. Dominant is a vague term. Electricity is dominant. Water is dominant. A 100Mb internet ain't. Yes, of course 100mbit isn't really needed by the average person TODAY... But there is no telling what the average person will be needing in 2015. Look at how many average people use YouTube, P2P, etc nowadays... A lot of this stuff was unheard of on dialup since it took hours to do what we can do in seconds or minutes on broadband... It is slowly, but surely taking a dominant role. The internet is the backbone of this country. Sheer massive quantities of bandwidth might not be required right now, but most people aren't comfortable with dialup any longer... I think the sweet spot is 1-5mbit, which is broadband. Don't forget that the majority of internet users are now on broadband.
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join:2001-02-28
Houston, TX
| Re: a waste I can tell you what the average pieces of crap across the street from me will be doing in 2015
they will be doing time in jail.....they will be dead.....or they will be doing just what they do every day.....sitting on their ass on the old couch on the porch while their 18-23 yo kids have a jammy jam in the front yard and bootleg and deal and watch their fatherless kids/cousins/borthers/sisters play on the toys they borrowed from the neighbors yard
unless the internet offers them a faster way to alert their "clients" than text messaging that it is time to swing by and leave a few peeps in the hooptie with the thumps on while one runs in for a 40 or something they can clinch in their fist....my neighbors will never need 100mb.....no matter how big a part of the hood they work | |
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Ron Paul - No Bailout Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
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| Re: a waste said by rodrod5 :I can tell you what the average pieces of crap across the street from me will be doing in 2015 they will be doing time in jail.....they will be dead.....or they will be doing just what they do every day.....sitting on their ass on the old couch on the porch while their 18-23 yo kids have a jammy jam in the front yard and bootleg and deal and watch their fatherless kids/cousins/borthers/sisters play on the toys they borrowed from the neighbors yard unless the internet offers them a faster way to alert their "clients" than text messaging that it is time to swing by and leave a few peeps in the hooptie with the thumps on while one runs in for a 40 or something they can clinch in their fist....my neighbors will never need 100mb.....no matter how big a part of the hood they work OK, well if you don't believe there is any hope for them, there is still millions of people like myself who WILL be riding the wave of the future.
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join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA
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| said by ColorBASIC :It's not a dominant force in our lives. You live in a DSLR tech bubble. According to Pew, the majority of Americans, while having internet service, aren't obsessed with it. And even if people suddenly became obsessed, 100Mb symmetrical is overkill and unrealistic. Dominant is a vague term. Electricity is dominant. Water is dominant. A 100Mb internet ain't. A 100Mb connection maybe overkill for alot of users today, but they said this about broadband back in the days of dial-up. Would you go back to dial-up in this internet age? | |
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
Premium
join:2000-03-14
San Antonio, TX
| said by ColorBASIC :It's not a dominant force in our lives. You live in a DSLR tech bubble. According to Pew, the majority of Americans, while having internet service, aren't obsessed with it. And even if people suddenly became obsessed, 100Mb symmetrical is overkill and unrealistic. Dominant is a vague term. Electricity is dominant. Water is dominant. A 100Mb internet ain't. AMEN!!!!
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
·Speakeasy
| This is what I would "think" would happen if we did upgrade the network.
Say now most americans now have 100mbps, we see TV through the internet, we call through the internet, we are doing all these things. The more TV's you have the more streams and the more bandwidth required. So in the end we build this entire network to merge all services such as phone/TV/images and anything that requires huge amounts of bandwidth through one pipe, the last thing we need is the internet being used to deliver power over ethernet. In the end the cable that delivers it all would be a ethernet cable.
Now what?
You can now work at home and your standard telephone becomes a call center's telephone where you can work from the comfort of your home and still be paid a good amount of money to live on while keeping the costs and without the need to build these massive call centers.
The internet creating a global work place? The internet creating a international economy? The end of the US postal service by delivering mail through a tube and packages.
Wireless internet available anywhere, our cellphones now provide calling internationally from advanced network and agreements and the elimination of long distance calling when you can call anyone in the world.
While that might be a fantasy if we where to get 100mbps tomorrow that's what I can think of, and after that it's anyone's guess. | |
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join:2003-06-19
·Comcast
| Maybe it's just me but whenever I see 'Foxnews' as any kind of reference for information I can't take it seriously.
'The Pew study found 15 percent of all Americans have neither a cell phone nor an Internet connection. Another 15 percent use some technology and are satisfied with what it currently does for them, while 11 percent use it intermittently and find connectivity annoying.'
'The telephone study of 4,001 U.S. adults, including 2,822 Internet users, was conducted Feb. 15 to April 6, 2006, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.'
Why is it I fail to see this as accurate? Even my 80 yr old grandparents have cell phones and use the Internet. I can't say I know a single person personally who does not use either on a regular basis, whether by choice or necessity. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| Re: a waste said by bi0tech :Maybe it's just me but whenever I see 'Foxnews' as any kind of reference for information I can't take it seriously. Fear not! There are many people who feel the same way about SeeBS News, ABC, [MS|C]NBC, the New York Times, the Washington Compost, NPR and the like.
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join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | Re: a waste Yes but when you need those republican talking points there is no better source than good old FOX news. | |
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join:2003-06-19 | Re: a waste So then by that notion Fox then published every AP release ever? Yes I know it's an AP article, that has no bearing. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| The headline is actually very misleading (Surprise!).
If you actually read the article, the Study ACTUALLY says:
The Pew study found 15 percent of all Americans have neither a cell phone nor an Internet connection. Another 15 percent use some technology and are satisfied with what it currently does for them, while 11 percent use it intermittently and find connectivity annoying. In reality, the headline should be "15%" or if you really stretch you could include the "11% who use it intermittently and find connectivity annoying." which would mean 26%.. Tops.
I don't see HOW you can include the 15% who say they use some cell phones and internet and are satisfied as is. Hell, even if you add all that together you still get only 41% so really it sounds like FoxNews just made that headline up to attract attention (sensationalize) it. (Who wouldda thunk it!)
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| OK first of all FAUX News is the big clue here. Anything from them is pure shit. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: a waste Yeah, we know it by heart now, Fox news sucks, Bush is an idiot, Algore won, the world hates us.
Do you drones promise to come up with a new mantra after the 2008 elections? I sure as christ hope so. | |
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join:2001-02-28
Houston, TX | they only reported OTHERS findings moron
from PEW that even your fool networks report from | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: a waste Bo I love the Bush defneders. Not many of you left. 28% approve of Bush. That means 72% don't. FACT. Get over it. ironically most of you have jobs that require you to ask me if I want to supersize my value meal. Wannabe millionaire welfare reciptients are funny. | |
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Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | Re: a waste Waa. Read my tag and get over it. | |
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join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI
| You will never have too much memory(ram).
You will never have too much storage.
you will never have too much cpu speed.
You will never have too much bandwidth.
All of the above have had so called experts say that no one would ever need more than X of Y. And every time they are proven wrong.
With the speed the apps will come. Have a little imagination. I still remember 300 baud modems on bbs using my commodore 64. That was 22 years ago. can't wait to see the next 22 years. (Provided we figure out the bee issue) | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| shure.... now what? I'm sure companies are going to be falling all overthemselves to make that a reality and take a LOSS after tons of freebies were already handed out to telcos... AT&T, Verizon. And cable rate increases are a cableco's best friend.. I'm sure they're chomping at the bit to make this work.
Har, har, har...
Oil companies are dying to get cheap gasoline to the pumps too.. | |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Cox HSI
| There isn't any content there It's good to look at this issue. A resolution isn't really supposed to do anything but act as a call for action. Hopefully the call to action will actually lead to better study of the issue. I think a good starting point would be to review the existing state and commercial projects, and see what strategies work and don't work.
I'd hope that the government could pay for the last mile fiber infrastructure, and let companies compete to supply the internet connection to that point. Also, government shouldn't prevent anyone from selling an alternate last mile solution, that would be communism ;p | |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·Covad Wireless
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May 9th, @03:42PM
| With tax credits will come deployment He has a good idea in tax credits for deployment so long as it isn't a Verizon/PA redux. Double the credit if the deployment is with gen technologies.
»rockefeller.senate.gov/Issues/te···rnet.htm
And looking at Open Secrets his bread doesn't look overly buttered by the tech industry. Shocking.
Of course it doesn't help matters that 1/2 the people don't give a crap about the internet (according to a recent Pew survey). | |
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk
join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI
| And this will enhance my life how? I can't see how 100Mbps is going to make my life better.
How fast will my Internet connection have to be to get it to paint my house or cut my lawn? That may be worth something!
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dr2500
join:2005-09-09
Lancaster, PA | A subscriber will demand between 35 and 70 Mbps by 2010 I said this before but some people keep bashing me on it.
We will see OVER 100Mbps by 2015. Gigabit to the home?? | |
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Pashune
Your average, anemic person.
Premium
join:2006-04-14
Gautier, MS
·CableOne
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: A subscriber will demand between 35 and 70 Mbps by 2010 Sounds doable if you live in a city or nearby one.
In my area? The best effort speed you can get here PERIOD, is 5 mbps through Cable One.
DSL? Maximum stable speed is only about 2 mbit at best.
But by 2015, I'll have moved into the city, so I'm not worried. n_n bring on the blazing speeds. | |
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tshirt
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA | But will the "demanding" subscriber be willing (and able) to pay for it?
Without placing the burden on other, less demanding subscribers? (via taxes, or "universal" service fees.)
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Jwobot
join:2002-08-14
Utica, MI | Re: A subscriber will demand between 35 and 70 Mbps by 2010 I need faster speeds so I can download my songs from limewire in .1 seconds!! | |
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Uncle Sam
@cgocable.net | maybe our government should find a way to payback our National Debt by 2015, or at least stop adding to it.
Last thing we should be worrying about right now is 100MBS symmetrical internet | |
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Healbot
Premium
join:2003-07-16
Vancouver, WA | The world is going to end in 2012 anyways | |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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Pangea | people in hell want icewater too but it aint gonna happen.
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@spcsdns.net
| Ridiculous Absolutely ridiculous. I don't need a 100Mbps connection, I do perfectly fine with my 1.2Mbps connection. Why should I have to subsidize someone who wants a superfast connection in some podunk town of population 100 with my hard earned money? A broadband Internet connection is not a necessary good nor a public good. This will be way more costly than the benefits. Where the benefits are greater than the costs, private industry will build the network anyway since there will be profit to be had. There is currently spotty broadband access because the demand just isn't there compared to what it costs to build the network. Additionally, anything that the government does is almost always twice as expensive as a private industry.
I'm sorry, but socialism sucks. Besides, this is just corporate welfare to all the companies that will be building this network. What a horrible idea. | |
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BloodRoses
The Purple Faerie
Premium
join:2003-03-17
New York, NY
·Cox HSI
| Too little, too late Even if this "plan" were to be carried out by 2005, I'd be somewhat skeptical. By 2015 I can almost guarantee expectations will be at least 10 Gigabits, and likely beyond that.
We need to build for the future, and 100 Megabits is not it.
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Too little, too late Building for the future is always a trade-off between cost and what the technology is able to deliver.
While more is better at some point we will reach a point where speed is "good enough." Bandwidth has been a expensive commodity is short supply since the dawn of civilisation. We are rapidly approaching a point where biology will become the limiting factor, not the communication technology.
100 Mbps is a good bench mark to strive for. It is an order of magnitude faster then main stream Cable or DSL. 100 Mbps is able to deliver four HDTV streams (different stream for each member of the household). Faster upload will facilitate all sorts of personal web server services. An order of magnitude improvement is speed will encourage all sorts of new companies to enter the market delivering services that are not feasible over slower links.
The limiting technology in a Fiber network is the electro optical component. If we roll out a 100 Mbps FTTP network today, upgrading it to Gig or 10 Gig in the future will be relatively inexpensive since the expensive component, fiber, is already in place. The upgrade can be incremental saving cost by only upgrading specific customers.
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | I'm not paying for it. Show me in the Constitution where this is a requirement. it's not there, the tax needed to implement this would be illegal. | |
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join:2005-09-01
| Re: I'm not paying for it. Just because you don't agree with a tax doesn't make it illegal. I'm very disappointed that tax money is wanted to pay for a bridge to nowhere in Alaska:
Ted Stevens has taken criticism for a wide variety of positions and actions taken in the Senate. This includes placing a secret hold on a bill that would allow easier accountability and research of all federal funding measures, describing the Internet as a "series of tubes" when taking a strong alliance with the telecommunications industry against network neutrality[6], and supporting perceived pork barrel projects such as the Gravina Island Bridge (known as the "Bridge to Nowhere" by its opponents) and the Knik Arm Bridge. He threatened to resign from the Senate if the federal earmark for the Alaskan bridges was sent to help repair Louisiana in the wake of Hurricane Katrina damage. | |
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Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
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·Cox HSI
| 100Mbps to my house... I certainly need it... That would make my work day quite a bit easier, especially if all the clients had it too. No more waiting half an hour to 45 minutes for patches to things like Acronis TI and suchto get sent over the internet.
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join:2005-12-22
Pittsburgh, PA | Before or after Maglev? Does this demand come before or after the one for 300MPH Maglev trains between every city? | |
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| Re: Before or after Maglev? said by Mike :Our rail system sucks... You're right, and honestly -- it makes me a little scared when I see people vilifying progress. I understand cynicism, yes, but something like universal broadband is something we should all be in favor of. Education is the silver bullet to the world's problems and what if this were the way to deliver it to all the hopeless people described above?
What's wrong with wanting universal broadband or 300MPG Maglev trains between every city? No one will ever bother to make it cost-effective until someone proposes that we really do it! | |
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