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The loss of signals in those markets means that some viewers will no longer get television reception unless they have installed a digital converter box and, in some cases, purchased a new antenna.
Nielsen Co. has estimated that 6.5 million over-the-air households are unprepared for the “digital transition.” Elderly, Latino and low-income households are believed to be most affected.
“If we have a serious natural disaster and folks don’t have a TV on which to receive updates, that’s a problem,” said =============
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Some stations plan digital switch despite delay vote They had to file for an STA to go dark either way. This is nothing new, and your lack of knowledge of the process is staggering. | |
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Dar al-Harb | said by N10Cities:Uhhh.....yea.....but they have to have PERMISSION from the FCC before they can switch anyway. If they do it without permission, they can be nailed with big $$$$$ fines. Your point? Fines are like taxes. They should just not pay them... they they'd get jobs in the Obama Administration.
Just wait folks... when the new deadline approaches, they will extend it again.
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| | | | | | Re: Some stations plan digital switch despite delay vote said by fifty nine:But they require FCC approval, so the FCC can say yea or nay. Missed that --- problem with scanning rather than throughly reading.
On Thursday, the Federal Communications Commission ordered stations that still plan to turn off analog signals on Feb. 17 to notify the FCC by Monday.
Acting Chairman Michael Copps said the commission could prohibit stations from making the switch if doing so is not in the public interest.
For instance, if all stations in a market want to turn off early, that would draw FCC scrutiny, he said at a commission meeting. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | The FCC is trying to make sure at least one TV station in a market keeps their analog service on through June 12. It's a rather silly thing at this late date but as long as you weren't the last station in the market to file for an analog shutdown STA you'd get it.
As an aside, they had to file one for the original cut-off date too. The "approval" process is mostly administrative. | |
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Spokane, WA | Re: Some stations plan digital switch despite delay vote lol, that'll teach people.
They left the CW network running on analog here 
Possibly the FOX station, the linked page says FOX and gives the call letters for CBS.
I assume the ION network is still on analog but they don't seem to be rolling over to digital. Low-power station perhaps? Not interested enough to try analog pass-thru to check  | |
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kudos:1 | said by whocares0:WASHINGTON — With millions of U.S. viewers still apparently unprepared for the nation’s switch to digital TV, nearly 500 full-power television stations across the nation are preparing to move ahead with the transition anyway and drop traditional over-the-air broadcasts Feb. 17.The loss of signals in those markets means that some viewers will no longer get television reception unless they have installed a digital converter box and, in some cases, purchased a new antenna. Nielsen Co. has estimated that 6.5 million over-the-air households are unprepared for the “digital transition.” Elderly, Latino and low-income households are believed to be most affected. “If we have a serious natural disaster and folks don’t have a TV on which to receive updates, that’s a problem,” said ============= » www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tec···126.html Actually, per Nielson, that number is 5.8 million as of the beginning of February. But Congress, in their infinite wisdom, decided that too much money is what's called for here. First off, the notion that the original pool of money ran out isn't quite right. Yeah they allocated all the coupons per what was in the original pot, but the coupons expire after 90 days. Once they do, the money goes back into the pot to go to the person at the top of the list.
As others have said, there are lots of people who got coupons 'just in case' they thought they would need them. Alot decided not to use them and the money goes back into the pot.
As for Congress's role in this. In the latest stimulus bill, they allocated an additional $650 million for new coupons. Ok, let's do the math here, shall we? Let's assume that Nielson's numbers are correct. Let's also assume that every single one of those households needs converter boxes. And further let's assume that NO more money frees up as existing coupons expire. And finally let's assume that every one of those households gets the maximum allocation of 2 coupons per house. That means that we would need:
5.8 Million houses * $80/house (each coupon is worth $40) = $464 million.
But they allocated $650 million? What's the extra $186 million for? | |
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| Re: Some stations plan digital switch despite delay vote said by JPL:But they allocated $650 million? What's the extra $186 million for? This is the government were talking about. A 40% markup for "administrative costs" actually sounds a little low. | |
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seriously, leave it to the government to spend crazy amounts of money on something and still miss the point entirely. I mean, really, who out there can afford a TV but can't afford a freakin converter? Is this really where our government needs to spend our tax dollars? | |
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Minneapolis, MN | Re: Some stations plan digital switch despite delay vote said by number_one:seriously, leave it to the government to spend crazy amounts of money on something and still miss the point entirely. I mean, really, who out there can afford a TV but can't afford a freakin converter? Is this really where our government needs to spend our tax dollars? That was the first thought I had when I heard about the coupon program. Why does the government care if I watch TV or not? Shouldn't it be 'tough cookie' if you can't afford 40 bucks to watch TV again after the switch? Maybe our collective intelligence would go up if fewer people were watching after the change over. Of course with the higher intelligence they would then get a better job, be able to afford to buy the coupons and then start watching TV again.
Last year I was first in line to apply for for a coupon because who knows when this bad idea would be corrected. I guess I should have known better, it's the government. They don't correct bad ideas, they relish them. | |
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| Re: What a waste of time! said by battleop:Maybe after the people who took the coupon figure out they didn't need the box in the first place. I know plenty of people who got the coupon who don't understand they don't need it. I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore. I know no one who took a coupon. Even my 81 year old mother knew she didn't need one because she had cable. However, I'm sure someone, somewhere was confused, despite the myriad of announcements and explanations.
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| Re: What a waste of time! said by Derspankster:said by battleop:Maybe after the people who took the coupon figure out they didn't need the box in the first place. I know plenty of people who got the coupon who don't understand they don't need it. I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore. I know no one who took a coupon. Even my 81 year old mother knew she didn't need one because she had cable. However, I'm sure someone, somewhere was confused, despite the myriad of announcements and explanations. My FIL took two coupons, even though I told him that a converter wasn't needed. He said that the got them "just in case" he needed them. He wasn't about to purchase the converters on his dime, though.
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: What a waste of time! They expire in a couple of months after issuance so those aren't the problem. The program only pays out when a coupon is redeemed. This program was under-funded from the start, however, and if you want to point fingers at the culprits you'll have to go back a couple of years.
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kudos:2 | My 56 year old mother insists that she doesn't have an ATSC tuner in her television and that she needs a converter even though she can tune to a channel and receive a black screen displaying "Digital signal is too low"...not to mention that I've told her the TV has both QAM and ATSC tuners. My point is that there are still numerous uneducated people that may have a surprise tomorrow morning. | |
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I know several people who did just this too and I know some of them are going to be sold. This was to easy of a scam for some people not take advantage of.
Totally ridiculous to have moved the date!!
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| said by battleop:Maybe after the people who took the coupon figure out they didn't need the box in the first place. I know plenty of people who got the coupon who don't understand they don't need it. I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore. Hello! I have a basic cable feed but I also use OTA as some of the stations I can receive are not carried due to being outside the must-carry area or opted not to be carried under those rules. Also, my neighbor as an example, has DirecTV but the HD service requires an external antenna to receive the local signals. | |
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"I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore."
I don't know you soooooo that means that I am not talking about you. | |
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| said by battleop:...I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore. Over the Air (aka OTA) picture quality blows away cable and/or satellite. If I had the option I'd dump cable in a flash. Great way to save money in these troubled times. | |
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| | | | Re: What a waste of time! said by afiggatt:said by KingofCola:All broadcasters should switch tonight at midnight. The switch is/was at midnight on Tuesday, Feb. 17, not tonight (Feb. 16). A lot of people have the time messed up.. | |
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Camden, TN | said by afiggatt:said by KingofCola:All broadcasters should switch tonight at midnight. The switch is/was at midnight on Tuesday, Feb. 17, not tonight (Feb. 16). Um no it's tonight. As in 1 more hour in the EST. | |
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| Re: What a waste of time! said by BF69:Um no it's tonight. As in 1 more hour in the EST. Here in Southern NH local PBS station, WENH, is shutting down analog at 8:30 AM tomorrow Feb 17. Since analog shutdown no no longer needs to be coordinated stations have more flexibility to decide when to pull the plug.
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| said by KingofCola:.... Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters. because the govt f'd up the transition and they don't care what they have to do to prevent granny from losing her TV. | |
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|  NOCManMacChatterPremium
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Colorado Springs, CO | What burden? They've been paying those bills just fine the last 40+ years. I think they can wait a few more months. They should be happy energy costs have decreased a little from last year.
Besides, the power costs is minimal compared to the profit they make on the commercials and other streams of money that comes from their programming.
Lets get these overpaid actors to take a pay cut. Some of these TV actors are being paid 5 million dollars per 30 minute episode they star in. | |
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| Re: What a waste of time! said by NOCMan:They've been paying those bills just fine the last 40+ years. I think they can wait a few more months. They should be happy energy costs have decreased a little from last year. Our local PBS station is shutting off analog 2/17. Estimated it would cost them $60,000 to continue simulcasting until June 12. Have been operating at reduced power until they are able to drop analog and once they do will move temporary DTV antenna higher permanent antenna once they no longer need to transmit analog.
Simulcasting represents an additional expense does not increase viewing area.
In our metro area there are 21 full power stations. 2 have already shut down analog and 6 more will do so tomorrow.
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Profit, you mean they make more money then it costs to product it, I think it is called capitalism. I don't care how much they make. The more broadcatsers make the more successful they are because the better the programming they offer. We consumers make that happen. If you don't like it don't watch TV. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | said by NOCMan:What burden? {etc} Let's see you run a small business with unexpected utility expenses of 25% or more of budget. In fact, it's probably more since ATSC transmitters are generally lower power than the equivalent NTSC transmitter.
What production companies pay actors is outrageously irrelevant.
You clearly have no idea about what you are talking about.
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| Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters. Personally, I think they should have stuck with the Feb 17th date. However, I'm not shedding any tears over the cost to broadcasters. After all, this is about them keeping their audience that generates the advertising revenue that pays them the big bucks.
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| | | | Re: What a waste of time! said by nwrickert:Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters. Personally, I think they should have stuck with the Feb 17th date. However, I'm not shedding any tears over the cost to broadcasters. After all, this is about them keeping their audience that generates the advertising revenue that pays them the big bucks. Affiliates of the big 4 usually charge retransmission fees to cable and sat providers.
This gets passed on to you in the form of higher cable and satellite bills.
So don't think the broadcasters are just eating it. When ad revenue takes a dive, they have to make it up somewhere. This is when they shake down the cable companies for more money come contract renewal time.
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Dar al-Harb | Re: What a waste of time! said by vinnie97:What about the poor/minorities who haven't received their coupons yet? Screw them. You don't have to spend one red cent to apply for a coupon. All it takes is calling a toll free number. They had plenty of time.
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Franklin, TN | said by KingofCola:All broadcasters should switch tonight at midnight. If Obomanites want to keep the transmitters running then let them pay power bill. Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters. The fact that they can switch but chose not to kind of proves that point that not all stations were really going to be ready by the deadline.
I think a lot of you "switch because only old, stupid, whatever people don't know any better" are now eating your own crow. 
So I guess the "Obomanites" (very cute, kind of like McSame I guess) weren't part of the conspiracy after all?
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| | RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: What a waste of time! said by knightmb:The fact that they can switch but chose not to kind of proves that point that not all stations were really going to be ready by the deadline. They are ready. Some are anxious to get it done but can't because their post-transition digital channel is still in use by an analog nearby. The ones who decided to hang onto analog until June are doing it mostly because February is a ratings period.
I laugh at the righties who are trying to paint this as some sort of left-wing Obama plot, while in reality the converter coupon program was hatched and bobbled by Bush's NTIA.
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CM94sv | Re: The list of 368 said by N10Cities:Sweet! All of my area stations got approval... Here too. All have been running crawlers on their Analog signals continuously since gaining FCC approval.
Bye, Bye Analog.
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kudos:21 | Looks like all of my stations are switching off their analog as well. One is going to run a light light though. So how about that | |
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|  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
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Chandler, AZ | ironic that only four stations in the phoenix metro area (after a cursory glance) have the early nod. of those, two are actually hispanic-catering stations (telemundo and mtv tr3s). i would think that this would be the most ill-prepared demographic in this area (if for nothing else than the language barrier).
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There are still around 21 stations waiting for FCC approval to shut analog down at midnight on Feb. 17 and some others which may change their mind and keep the analog on, so the number of stations shutting down the analog tomorrow in still in flux. Some stations already have or will flash cut their digital broadcast channel to their analog channel, so re-scans with the digital ATSC tuner may be needed in many cities.
The current count is that 247 stations have already ended (or never had) analog broadcasts. Including these, at least 700+ stations will be digital only by Feb. 18. Could be 780 stations, I need to check with Falcon_77 about what his breakdown means. With 1809 full power stations, around 40% of all stations will be digital only. This may overload Trip's website, but a complete list of the stations can be found at »www.rabbitears.info/ss/. | |
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kudos:5 | Great way to test the transition. Let 20% of the stations make the switch. See how many people are unprepared. It would depend on who is unprepared and what kind of voice they have. High-density areas served by cable TV would probably have the least complaints. Areas with no access to cable would probably have the highest.
Stations in the Providence, RI market are planning on turning off analog. Local PBS WSBE is already digital-only. Their analog transmitter failed in January, and it will cost too much to repair it to run for the remaining month, so they said "there you go". Complaints have been few, but maybe it's an indication of who watches it as well. | |
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Anyways, more power to the stations that are switching on the original date, I know a majority of the stations near where I live in Reading, PA are shutting off their analog. They are smart for doing so! I wish ALL the stations would have done this. That would show up their precious delay bill. | |
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We Don't Need No Stinkin' DTV Delay
368 stations will make switch early....
That is great news.
MSNBC has a sob story about the transition: "Isidro Diaz surfs channels on his old TV about three hours a night in the trailer he rents for $350 a month. Come Tuesday, his limited choice of programs will be much more limited."
The article goes on to say that to poor Isidro, a dtv converter box just isn't a viable option... "He recently shopped at an electronics store for a digital converter box for the $40 used Sony TV he bought from a newspaper classified ad four years ago. But the $60 converter box didn't seem worth it because he can get a new TV for a little more."
I'm sorry, if you can't afford $40-$60 for a DTV converter, then maybe you should turn the tv off and go out and make a little extra cash for that converter, tv, or whatever it is you think need. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Too bad peepe said by 45071419:I'm sorry, if you can't afford $40-$60 for a DTV converter, then maybe you should turn the tv off and go out and make a little extra cash for that converter, tv, or whatever it is you think need. But thats anti-american. The USA runs on pork and welfare to get elected. | |
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Jewett City, CT | Good approach I was skeptical of President Obama's plan but it does seem to make more sense to do this in stages. Some parts of the country are more prepared than others. Get those spots out of the way first, let the less prepared areas have a few more months. In the end, it's not hurting anyone to take some extra caution with this. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Good approach said by jsz0:I was skeptical of President Obama's plan but it does seem to make more sense to do this in stages. Some parts of the country are more prepared than others. Get those spots out of the way first, let the less prepared areas have a few more months. In the end, it's not hurting anyone to take some extra caution with this. Do it stages not staggard. In Nashville for isntance half the station will stay analog half won't. If you want to do it stages you do it by times zones or some shit like that where ALL stations switch. | |
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Plymouth, MI | Re: A horse in this race? said by rdmiller: Anyone who has broadband by definition doesn't need a converter box. Huh? So a person with DSL, an analog set and no cable TV somehow no longer needs a converter box??? 
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Hanover, PA | Re: A horse in this race? Didn't you hear, the FCC mandated that DSL/cable modems have ATSC tuners. | |
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Mulberry, FL |  Just pull the plug on OTA video
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Camden, TN | Actually it's 438 The 123 denied was actually only 106 and half of those got exemptions. so 491-106+53=438. A little fact checking would do you wonders. | |
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kudos:1 | penitentiary So who is going to upgrade all the analog TVs in American prisons? This DTV transition will be disastrous. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: penitentiary said by jakex_iii:my impression from previous news articles is, - Cable and Satellite are standard provisions at the prisons. May not be all, but then I guess those people will have to wait. If one can get a OTA signal inside a prison I'd be impressed and maybe worried. | |
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1 edit | DTV confusion Interesting. I was going to set up a couple TVs and record the shutdown.... as someone born in 1947 (pretty much when analog TV broadcasting started) and as someone who has always had an interest in TV broadcasting, it seemed like a milestone that should be observed.
So I did a check of the websites for nine local stations here in Detroit to see who was switching over tomorrow. And with ONE exception, NONE OF THEM had ANYTHING on their web site that said specifically when they were going to turn analog off. The one exception (WMYD, on the list above) has a countdown clock, counting down to tomorrow night but it is buried in the clutter on their web page. On all the other web sites, all you find (and you often have to really look for it) is a re-print of the DTV FAQ (that doesn't mention any date) and sometimes a reprint of the news story about the delay to June 12th (which says genericaly that the transition must be completed "on or before" June 12th). I infer that they are waiting, but they don't really say.
And they wonder why/if the public is confused??? I find it amazing that organizations that specialize in news and information cannot be bothered to post informaiton about when they will be shutting off analog. They deserve what they may get whenever they do finally throw the switch.
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Glenolden, PA | 1 year is enough time. These moron's can't get a digital ready in a year then they need to lose it. WOW Osama is really impressing me so far. | |
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| I think people are going to love the switchover .... If you've ever had the problem with Ghosting, bad reception, snow, interference, etc etc that makes watching many stations OTA with analog you're in for a treat.
The way digital works is an all or nothing proposition, if you get a halfway decent signal, you'll have a picture perfect image. If your signal is so degraded you won't get the channel at all (but if it was that bad it would be crap on analog too.)
I'm thinking these folks are in for a real treat.... good, watchable TV.
In fact the HD is even better then Cable, Dish, etc etc
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| Re: I think people are going to love the switchover said by KrK:if you get a halfway decent signal, you'll have a picture perfect image. If your signal is so degraded you won't get the channel at all (but if it was that bad it would be crap on analog too.) That is the crux of the problem. Those of us in fringe area willing to put up with snowy picture, even with high quality outdoor antenna, get perfect picture on some channels and nothing all all most days on several others.
In fairness some of the weaker channels may get better after transition but now we need to wait until mid June to find out.
The other folks affected by switchover are urban dwellers suffering from multipath due to nearby high rises.
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: I think people are going to love the switchover I think the Digital handles the multipath problem better then analog. You certainly don't get any ghosting. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: I think people are going to love the switchover There can't be ghosting with ATSC since the signal is data not scan lines. The jury is still out about multipath but a couple of observations of channel 2's analog vs. what it takes to get their interim digital on channel 3 from the same antenna makes me think it is damn robust...channel 2 is almost unwatchabe but 2.1 is clear albeit on the ragged edge of sync. The bigger issue seems to be electrical interference from devices in the house.
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Irmo, SC | Just more coddling... Why this is necessary is completely beyond me. How is delaying this going to effect anything? Those who don't have one now, more than likely won't have one then, either.
But I bet ya this as well....if they didn't delay the date, there would be a lot of ppl getting off their ass and either figuring out WHY they have no TV (they'd have to be under a rock to not know) or going about figuring a way to watch it. Plain and simple, this is more hand holding from the govt. to assist ppl and make govt. a "provider" in their life, something they can't do without, instead of pulling themselves up by the bootstraps and getting the shit done themselves.
Its a joke.
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Dar al-Harb | Re: Just more coddling... said by Koil:Why this is necessary is completely beyond me. How is delaying this going to effect anything? Those who don't have one now, more than likely won't have one then, either. But I bet ya this as well....if they didn't delay the date, there would be a lot of ppl getting off their ass and either figuring out WHY they have no TV (they'd have to be under a rock to not know) or going about figuring a way to watch it. Plain and simple, this is more hand holding from the govt. to assist ppl and make govt. a "provider" in their life, something they can't do without, instead of pulling themselves up by the bootstraps and getting the shit done themselves. Its a joke. How dare you suggest people actually do something for themselves!
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Irmo, SC | Re: Just more coddling... I know...I know...I'm a prick | |
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WMYD TV 20 and WPXD 31
And those who like public TV WTVS 56 they are staying on analog but who knows for how long they are having some problems with there analog transmitter.
»www.dptv.org/dtv/index.shtml
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Cincinnati, OH | Cincinnati The stations here need to grow a backbone and ditch the analog like they planned. The only one switching tomorrow is channel 64. Like has been said, enough coddling. | |
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Rochester, MI | Re: Cincinnati Re: Detroit digital transition confusion..... if you try to find a web site for WPXD, there isn't one. But if you go to the iOnTV web site and click the DIGITAL > DTV link, you get a page that shows (among other things) "February 17th 2009, DTV" as well as a countdown that is counting down to.... June 12th. Sheesh!
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