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Looks like the Hurricane is NOT likely to hit Long Island.... That is a good thing. Time to celebrate and break out the lively libation....
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1 edit | Yay friday is here and I am broke again OMG finally. Why was this week so long? lol It felt like Friday on Wednesday and on Thursday too. Going to stay home all weekend pretty much n watch movies with gf and visit family members. Frigging broke again. I swear like every month I have to spend my money on something that doesn't allow me to go out.
And going into the weekend with a strained neck muscle is going to be fun...yay...heating pads and hot showers. No more fans turned on at night when I sleep! Been wearing this heating pad at work almost all day at work and it seems to help nicely. Getting better by the hour.
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I'm trying to decide, I currently have t-mobile, which I haven't been very happy with (price wise), We need unlimited texting, and a decent amount of talking minutes (700+), family of 5 on the plan. I've been looking at Verizon, but I was wondering, they have the largest network, do they manage it well? Does it get congested a lot? Any Suggestions?
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| Re: Switching Cell Phone Companies... said by OCZ:I'm trying to decide, I currently have t-mobile, which I haven't been very happy with (price wise), We need unlimited texting, and a decent amount of talking minutes (700+), family of 5 on the plan. I've been looking at Verizon, but I was wondering, they have the largest network, do they manage it well? Does it get congested a lot? Any Suggestions? ps, if it helps, I live in St.Paul, MN. If you make your decision based on having the best network, you will be very happy with Verizon Wireless. I travel a lot and I can't remember the last time I dropped a call or lost the signal. Does it occasionally happen? Yes but it is not the norm and I have never ever got an all circuits are busy or re-order tone. Your results may vary but you will never go wrong with Verizon. | |
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I have two phones on my plan and get 10 numbers that I can call and that can call me with no minute deductions. With this, I really do not even need the 1400 minutes but I have them just in case. | |
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I have two phones on my plan and get 10 numbers that I can call and that can call me with no minute deductions. With this, I really do not even need the 1400 minutes but I have them just in case. [/BQUOTE :Yup that is very true - the 1400 is the minimum plan to qualify for the Friends and Family option. BTW - aren't you bailing hay now somewhere in rural West Virginny???  | |
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I am cleaning out the garage and packing tools today. Also going to be packing a bunch of other stuff this weekend.
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Well anyway, I gave it a listen. Unfortunately, As soon as you recognize the voice you might as well stop. You know that at best, severe distortion follows, or at worst, complete falsehood. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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And if the abortion of HR 3200 comes out unchanged from Congress, I can always pay cash for premium care if it messes up the health care system too badly. Unfortunately there are a LOT of seniors that won't be able to say the same. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: Healthcare Reform--- the REAL agenda said by ThrowDemsOut:if the abortion of HR 3200 comes out unchanged from Congress, I can always pay cash for premium care if it messes up the health care system too badly. Unfortunately there are a LOT of seniors that won't be able to say the same. There are millions of average Americans who pay a premium for healthcare today (due to our artificial quality standards compared to the rest of the world). And, millions who can't even do that (and are prohibited by law from purchasing the level of healthcare available to others around the world).
If the scenario you described is undesirable, why should we live with today's?
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Funny, when people from other countries that have extreme health care issue, they always come here to AMERICA to be treated. If these other countries have such a wonderful level of health care, let's start sending those people there.
It's a mute point because people all over the country are up in arms about this heath care plan (including Democrats)
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I will refrain from calling Barney Frank names...but he did not answer the question, he just spread his vileness on one of his constituents. These are the people who are RUINING this country.
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| Re: Healthcare Reform--- the REAL agenda said by mrkevin:Funny, when people from other countries that have extreme health care issue, they always come here to AMERICA to be treated. If these other countries have such a wonderful level of health care, let's start sending those people there. I agree that you can get "the best healthcare" here if you have the money to travel here and pay for it.
But, how can the bus boy at the local restaurant travel to another country for $5 office visits?
I've always said that the quality of our care depends on who you are. If you're mid- to upper-middle class (with good health insurance) you'll get the best healthcare in the world right here.
But, if you're not among that group, a different country's healthcare (with $5 office visits and less than state-of-the-art treatments would look better).
The fact that you're among the group who can afford $5 office visits has a lot to do with why you can't travel to those countries for those visits, right?
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Burned Iraqi Boy Comes To America »www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1239378401&c=1
Edit-"As soon as I heard about it, I was just overjoyed to get involved, help him out," says Dr. Edward Lanigan, a plastic surgeon from MSU.
Lanigan says he and Sparrow Hospital are doing the surgeries for free.
A Polish 13-month-old comes to America for surgery »www.kidsdoc.org/newsroom/inthene···sID=2106
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| Re: Healthcare Reform--- the REAL agenda said by mrkevin:These aren't millionaires, these are children for God sake... Did they travel here on their own dime? And purchase our healthcare on their own dime? Is this available to all Iraqis and Poles?
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| Re: Healthcare Reform--- the REAL agenda said by mrkevin:I guess you will have to wait for a moderator to approve my response I don't understand the point you're making. In a previous post you said Americans should travel for $5 office visits available in other countries. That's ridiculous considering that the people who would benefit the most from such affordable healthcare are the least able to afford international travel (or to take time off from their hourly jobs).
Then you replied with some cases of foreign kids coming here to receive the best healthcare in the world (as charity).
I'm not understanding the point your making.
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Americans should travel for $5 office visits available in other countries.
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| Re: Healthcare Reform--- the REAL agenda said by mrkevin:NO, I think you are mixing me up with someone else. I never said Americans should travel for $5 office visits available in other countries.
You said: "If these other countries have such a wonderful level of health care, let's start sending those people there."
For some people (who can't afford our "best healthcare system in the world"), affordable basic care in those other countries might be desirable if the alternative is no care here (or, ER care after a problem becomes critical, and the individual is prepared to go bankrupt).
Clearly, going to other countries for affordable care isn't an option for those who would benefit the most.
However, coming to the US for "the best healthcare in the world" is an option for those who can afford it.
But, I'm not sure how some charity cases affect either point. Just because some doctors perform charity care on foreign children doesn't prove the already proven point that we have the best healthcare in the world (if you can afford it).
Nor does it disprove that the lower-quality basic care available in their own countries would be beneficial to many Americans who can't afford our monopolistic medical system of higher quality.
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| said by amigo_boy:said by mrkevin:These aren't millionaires, these are children for God sake... Did they travel here on their own dime? And purchase our healthcare on their own dime? Is this available to all Iraqis and Poles? That's charity work, and it' not even available to all Americans. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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said by amigo_boy: Is this available to all Iraqis and Poles? Maybe if Obamacare goes through it will be. Then will that make you happy? To pay for World Healthcare.
Why can't that be the Battle cry? Every person in the world should have access to free medical care. And let the Chinese pay for it.
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It's like hitting your head against a brick wall over and over. Gave it up years ago...... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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| said by ThrowDemsOut: And if the abortion of HR 3200 comes out unchanged from Congress, I can always pay cash for premium care if it messes up the health care system too badly. Don't be so sure.
Much of the focus of the new administration is ensuring that you are prohibited from exercising any free choice with your wallet.
Just as there will be fines for doctors who refuse to perform certain procedures or service certain clientele, there will be punishments for taking cash customers, or performing procedures not deemed worthy.
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1 edit | Your video focuses on how universal healthcare will replace privately-purchased healthcare, ultimately making it illegal to purchase goods and services on the "open market."
However, our current (and heavily socialized) healthcare system (depicted as a "market") made it illegal for millions of Americans to purchase the healthcare goods and services they would have chosen absent laws setting quality standards higher than a "free market" of willing buyers and sellers would produce.
It seems like no difference. We're just saying that if compulsion is good enough for some Americans, it's good enough for all!
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Umm, really congressman douchebag? 'Cause you sound like the typical American who claims this is the best fucking country on Earth, blessed by God and all, but doesn't own a passport that would allow travel beyond our borders.
Also, he said "private sector has to pay taxes" twice. Because, you know, taxes are twice as scary! Boo!
What is this bullshit about "public option doesn't have to pay taxes or pay employees". Really? Don't government workers pay taxes on their salaries? ...and of course the workers pay taxes because they get paid a salary to begin with.
The real difference? the private insurers have to make a PROFIT...where as a public plan would be, in essence, non profit.
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Both political parties lie. Political commentators on talk radio and television lie. Average Americans are repeating the lies.
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One of Obama's main health advisers is the brother of his Chief-of-Staff Rahm Emanuel. His take on health care is to wipe out the Hippocratic Oath where doctors are charged with doing what is best for the patient and replace it with doing what is best for society(communism comes to healthcare). -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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Im afraid weve got to think about putting a lot of that off until the economys out of recession, Mr. Lieberman said on CNNs State of the Union. Theres no reason we have to do it all now, but we do have to get started. And I think the place to start is cost health delivery reform and insurance market reforms.
Mr. Liebermans comments could further complicate Democratic efforts to get a health care overhaul passed in Congress. They had been depending on the independent senator to support their efforts, even though he often aligns with Republicans.
In the Senate, 60 votes would be needed to overcome any Republican filibuster, and the Democrats control 60 votes, including those of two independents. However, Senators Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia have been ill. On top of that, moderate Democrats have signaled that they might not support every proposal.
Also Sunday, Senator John McCain said that one way for Democrats and Republicans to reach a compromise would be for Mr. Obama to abandon a government-run insurance program for the nations 49 million uninsured.
He criticized the Veterans Administration for using a booklet called Your Life, Your Choices to help injured veterans decide which medical treatments they would choose. On one page, he said, veterans are asked What makes your life worth living? and some of the choices include confinement to a wheelchair, placement in a nursing home and severely burdening a familys finances Such questions, he said, were kind of pushing people toward a predetermined conclusion.
The booklet, he charged, was written by a proponent of assisted suicide during the Bush administration but he said he managed to block its use in 2007. Last month, he said, the Veterans Administration reinstated it. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: Sen Lieberman tells Obama - give up for now on Helath reform said by ThrowDemsOut:Oh! Oh! Obama has lost another vote in the Senate. Looks like he doesn't have that 60 vote majority to avoid a filibuster. Lieberman just needs the correct committee appointment, or promise to push his favorite legislation. He's just negotiating.
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| Re: Sen Lieberman tells Obama - give up for now on Health reform This is my prediction coming true. Just like when the Clinton's attempted it, any real reform will be blocked.
Oh, I'm betting we'll here some feel good talk about Drug companies keeping prices lower on certain drugs, and I'm sure both sides will come together and talk about stamping out Fraud and waste, yadda, yadda, yadda.... but the end result will be this:
NOTHING.
Now, to the people who espouse the argument "This needs to wait due to the deficit and the economy and our financial situation--- we can do this later when things get better..." We need to understand that this is PART of the attempt to get things under control, that the current system is so wasteful and expensive and burdensome that it can drag the Government down ALL BY ITSELF.
This "We need to wait until things are better...." When? It's NOT GOING TO GET BETTER. Medicare is a sinkhole that is going to keep growing like crazy. The simple fact is we've already waited far to long to address this problem and "Waiting" now will just make it worse.
But that's fine, unfortunately, it's predictable. Special interests, and politics. Nothing will be done. And the Nation of the USA will collapse. It's just a question of when. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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 2 edits | Personal Experience About the Evils of Private Healthcare George Berger (PhD), Uppsala, Sweden 30 May 2009
The Netherlands is often thought to have a system of public healthcare whose generosity and effectiveness approaches those of the Scandinavian countries. Such notions no longer reflect reality. The country once had a mixed, public-private system that guaranteed access to everyone, provided excellent service, and was financed by private policies and taxes. Ones source of coverage (private insurer or government schemes) depended on ones income and employment situation. It worked reasonably well. I was proud to enter it when I left America to work in the Netherlands in 1972. I had attained an academic position in a society that was far more rationally and decently organized than was the USA.
Although there were forebodings my enthusiasm ended abruptly in 2007, when my Dutch wife became seriously ill. She was 72, I was 64. Misdiagnoses, 7 appointments cancelled without explanation or apology, and an outright lie straight in her face by the head specialist of a hospital division ruined her health for good. I was furious at what I thought were the failures of individuals: the usual story of uncaring personnel and inefficient bureaucracy familiar to users of the NHS.
I was wrong. In January of 2006 control over the Dutch medical system (except for a tax-funded system for difficultly insurable expenditures, the AWBZ) was transferred from the State to the private insurance firms by government decrees and legislation. Funding of facilities and staff was divided between tax revenues and premiums. The government guarantees everyone a basic package provided by the insurers, but the latter determine the size, quality, and cost of the many remaining care provisions and facilities. State-supervised competition among insurerscalled Regulated Competition in the USAwas the officially voiced mantra. Profit maximization, free market deregulation, and future privatization were and are the true motives. The public, whose inordinate respect for any authority has been ingrained in them since the 80 Years War by Calvins local henchmen, the Dutch Protestant priests, were easily fooled into thinking that this new system would work to their advantage. I am not of Dutch descent and was not deceived. My study of these changes since the onset of my wifes illness led me to strongly suspect that her neglect was mandated by rules set by insurers and politicians acting in collusion. I decided that we were dealing with institutionalized age discrimination. I informed people but could do little except describe what had happened and voice my suspicions. Few Dutch persons believed me. My impression was and is that few wanted to believe me.
Last December I was diagnosed as having aggressive prostate cancer and applied for treatment at the (Calvinist) Free University Medical Center in my city of residence, Amsterdam. The treatment offered seemed to be minimal, and my initial attempts to secure definite dates for tests were disregarded. A highly placed medical friend employed by a leading hospital in Manhattan confirmed the minimalism. I flew in secret to Sweden, for a second opinion and treatment plan at Uppsala Care, a division of the prestigious Academic Hospital (Akademiska Sjukhuset) of the great University of Uppsala. Two highly regarded specialists spoke with me and examined the tests results that I had brought with me. One decided that my condition was so serious that action within six weeks was necessary. They proposed a treatment plan that was far more extensive than the two proposed by my Free University urologist, Dr R.J.A. van Moorselaar (I have now completed the first two components of the plans finalized version.)
I confronted Dr. van Moorselaar and asked him why his plans omitted a certain procedure that the Uppsala specialists said was an important part of their treatment. I did not tell him about my visit abroad. He gave me no medical reason but mentioned a Dutch directive governing treatment. It is now official policy. I was shocked when I found that directives PDF and saw that its archival name (here translated without abbreviations) was 65+ prostate carcinoma 2007. Dr. van Moorselaar was one of its writers. (After I voiced my suspicions in public the archival name was changed. The 65+ is no longer mentioned.) I was 66 and suspected government-sanctioned age discrimination motivated by the cost-cutting superprofit plans of the insurers. I moved quickly to Uppsala, after fruitlessly attempting to publicize this in the Dutch press, and sought proof for my surmise. My fear was and is that such insurer-dominated deadly practices, if now active in the Netherlands, would be adopted by other EU countries. For their politicians could succumb to the influence of national and multinational insurance conglomerates such as AIG, whose corporate connections with my and other Dutch insurers ought to be more widely known and might be the source of the shabby options offered me by Dr van Moorselaar. The EU would lose a major component of its humanitarianism. (The state of Massachusetts has adopted a version of the Dutch system, and an influential American healthcare economist, Professor Alain Enthoven of Stanford University, has been urging its use throughout the USA.).
Late in March I obtained the needed proof. My source is a medical specialist employed by a hospital in the Netherlands (where most specialists work exclusively for public hospitals). This person is not of Dutch birth. This source told a reliable acquaintence of mine that a secret system of prioritization indeed exists in the Netherlands. It regulates the granting and withholding of treatment, or parts of internationally standard treatments. It is based on at least three factors: age, cost, and relevant statistics. Given my personal experience, research, and discovery of the PDF, I now maintain that this system was inspired by the insurers, developed in secret by government committees set up to study these issues, and then adopted as official but unannounced policy whose ultimate aim is twofold: (1) cost-cutting that increases profits and saves the government money, and (2) consequent service inefficiencies, so that the possibly complicit directors of medical institutions will beg for privatization as an attractive alternative that will have the support of a public desperate for decent healthcare. Something like this has already occurred in one Amsterdam hospital, Slotervaart, which is now owned by big business.
I hold that this hitherto unknown arrangement was set in motion right after the transfer of power in January 2006. Whatever the details might be, in no other EU country do the insurance companies have such extensive decision-making freedom that national law prevents its government from interfering with most of their activities. (This differentiates the secretive Dutch system from the UKs, in which NICE [National Institute for Clinical Excellence] does the dirty work but can be publically called to account.) For this reason EU civil servants have called the Netherlands an anomaly in Europe. Are elderly persons consideredeven in the higher echelons of the EUeconomically unproductive and hence financial burdens rather than sources of pride? And who bears these burdens in the Netherlands? Not the taxpayer, but the government and insurers, who try to prevent any increase in their expenditures. Dutch citizens and legal residents pay their premiums and healthcare taxes every month, or are granted the basic package, in the expectation of receiving adequate and expert medical attention when necessary. Although many are vaguely aware that something is wrong, few know that and how they are being cruelly deceived. Does the reader want this dangerous anomaly to become the rule in the EU? The danger is real. | |
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| While were on the comedy kick, I have a video for you. We have all heard of 'RickRolling'. I give you the 'Rick-Nirvana Roll'
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| Re: Well, the world's going to end... said by Jeffrey:...my Mom got an iPhone. I can't believe it. God bless her, but she's a lady that just figured out how to text a month ago. This should be interesting. My Mom learned how to email at 80 years old. by 81 needed something better than dialup, got her on a low cost DSL plan. She would not do without her PC now. SO the older generation can be surprising. -- There are 10 types of people. Those who can read Binary and those who cannot. | |
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| Re: Well, the world's going to end... My mom is 65. She seems like 45 though. With that said, I don't doubt the "older generation" at all. We got my grandfather a computer when he was 90. Windows ME leftover. He loved it--played solitaire. Upgraded him to Windows XP in 2003 or so, and by that time, he was playing solitaire, ordering medication online, buying stuff from Amazon.com, and emailing his doctors. He was sharp as a tack until he died. Loved the computer. Aside from reading and TV, it was his favorite thing to do when alone.
The iPhone I put into a different category. My grandfather too had a cell that my parents got them, but I have a feeling he wouldn't be too interested in an iPhone.
At any rate, the iPhone is pretty cool. . -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin | |
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There are many people (including children) that are waiting for a match to hit the registry. For most, it is their only hope for a cure. You could be the one to save them. Check out »www.marrow.org/
Actually, you don't even have to give "bone marrow". Now-a-days they take the stem cells from blood that you donate.
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If the whole article is not available without having a "membership"...
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I say tropical-esque, because i've been in the tropics when it rained & it's so much more intense down there.
I have a video i'm posting soon on youtube of me recording the storm when the power goes out...
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