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by Karl Bode Friday 30-Jul-2010 tags: BBR-News
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Dang

Still at work setting up new servers and upgrading old ones...it's going to be a long night/weekend.

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I fought with trying to map a share to a custom OS based CNC machine most of the day....Finally could get it to see a client share but not the server....Temp fix for now... I am ready for a break also....
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I fought with trying to map a share to a custom OS based CNC machine most of the day....Finally could get it to see a client share but not the server
SMB? What OS?

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Yes, using an SMB share. A rather strange OS appears to be a version of Linux as a kernel but is called "HeROS"
It was built by the Heidenhien Corp in Germany.
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said by backfeed:

Yes, using an SMB share. A rather strange OS appears to be a version of Linux as a kernel but is called "HeROS" It was built by the Heidenhien Corp in Germany.
Looks like an inhouse development used to control machinist equipment.

Did you learn which kernel it's using? Any indications the OS is a fork?

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I am not sure..I do remember during boot up that there was a link that rolled by about xfree86.
I then assumed that that was the kernel.
The CNC runs a proprietary software on tob of this. The Networking setup menus are pretty slim and the documentation from the manufacture is Less than Poor.
I will change it to map to a permanent share on a client that I will be installing next week that will be a full time workstation that I will be using for some other tasks. Should work out OK.
I thank you for the interest and help Noah!!!
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We did that a few weeks ago on a Friday night, ended up getting O/T pay from 5pm through till 11:30pm. It was a LOT of work...and we're still running into issues now that we're trying to get users to log on using their domain acct (migrating local user profiles to domain acct).

By any chance do you know the proper way to migrate a local user profile to a domain profile and keeping their data intact?
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said by sansri88:

By any chance do you know the proper way to migrate a local user profile to a domain profile and keeping their data intact?
Boot into safe mode with an admin account and reverse the names on the local and domain profiles.

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Assuming Roaming Profiles:
Assuming Workstation is on domain:
For me, the following prevents every problem that might come up:

Boot into Administrator (local or domain). Immediately copy the user's profile to it's home on the roaming profile server.
I normally use xxcopy, as it continues on fail and you can F3 the command to get files that might be temporarily locked.

Make sure ntuser.dat(s) and ntuser.ini in %UserProfile% are copied.

sample xxcopy command, as run from Profile server:
xxcopy "\\workstation\c$\documents and settings\userprofile\*.*" d:\profiles\usergroup\username\ /s /h /bi /f5 /yy
Switch documentation and exe avail at »xxcopy.com

I prefer to rename the profile folder to the domain user's name, if it isn't already.

Reset domain profile folder ownership on all files to Domain Administrators group(NOT to the Domain Administrator).
Reset domain profile folder permissions on all files to Domain User or Domain User's group.
Not always needed but these 2 steps save me a ton of profile load headaches.

Also: Dropping the domain user account into the workstation's local administrator's group can help smooth a 1st profile load. After that you can tweak back the user permissions. Usually this isn't needed.

Rename/Move profile folder still residing on workstation (or delete if you feel gutsy).

Reboot workstation and logon w/ domain user account.

I know this seems like a lot, but I adopted each of these steps through trial and error. Together, they've wiped out nearly 100% of my roaming profile issues. Especially in WinXP & Server 2003 domains.

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A few potential problems with this approach:

Depending on settings/policies/GPOs, the files' owner may need to be the target/logged in user, not the domain admin group. setacl is a good and free utility for setting this.

Registry entries likewise may need ownership or ACL changes; these are stored in ntuser.dat. I don't know for 100% certain, but I believe this is what the "copy profile" GUI/utility does (in XP Pro, maybe others) when you fill in the "allowed to use this profile".

My suggestion would be to do just that: log in as an admin, possibly/preferrably a domain admin (so that setting SIDs and ACLs shouldn't be a problem either with the workstation or on the profile server) so that the profile won't be in use. For extra "not in use" safety, do this after a fresh reboot. As someone else suggested, a Safe Mode reboot (obviously with the "with networking" option) has the best chance of working w/r/t this, as nothing that starts automatically (services, AT jobs, Task Scheduler, etc.) will have a chance to hold open those profile files. I'll also add I was surprised that logging in only a single time as the user I wanted to copy was sufficient to make some of the files in use, and could not be cleared except by rebooting. Use the copy profile GUI to copy the profile up to the profile server, and especially remember to use the "allowed to use" option with the target domain user so that any filesystem and registry object SIDs and ACLs will be updated accordingly.

Note that this is all theory, because I've never had to do precisely this, and I have been laid off from the environment in which I could have tested this before posting it. I also have not had any admin experience for Vista or Win7, so YMMV. What I can report is that under XP Pro and Win2K3 a recursive file copy (as I had done and did work before the domain admins stepped up security somewhat) did not work, whereas retrying with the copy profile GUI did.

I have had a lot of success in the past just recursively copying the profile directory, where there was nothing out of the oridinary like registry ACLs or enhanced security checking going on, so what Noah posted may work.

(BTW, Noah...the third person, gender neutral, possessive pronoun,"its," does not have an apostrophe. So I think you meant to write "...the user's profile to its home on the...")
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Re: Dang

said by rchandra:

A few potential problems with this approach:

Depending on settings/policies/GPOs, the files' owner may need to be the target/logged in user, not the domain admin group. setacl is a good and free utility for setting this.
Much of the Roaming Profile requires ownership by the Domain Administrators group to function properly. It's also the default ownership group.

Initially granting (and propagating) full permissions, on the profile folder, to the user/usergroup will allow the domain user account to tweak individual file ownership as it needs.

I don't recall if I've used setacl. Does it have advantage over cacls?

said by rchandra:

Registry entries likewise may need ownership or ACL changes; these are stored in ntuser.dat. I don't know for 100% certain, but I believe this is what the "copy profile" GUI/utility does (in XP Pro, maybe others) when you fill in the "allowed to use this profile".
I can't speak to XP's profile copy feature. It gave me trouble when migrating between different forests. That was when it was first available. I couldn't find the in-depth documentation I needed, at the time.

I just stayed with what had been working for me. I also have a bias toward a more hands on approach.

said by rchandra:

(BTW, Noah...the third person, gender neutral, possessive pronoun,"its," does not have an apostrophe. So I think you meant to write "...the user's profile to its home on the...")
If you think I meant to write that, then why the correction?

Now, you've forced me to throw the flag down on your play.


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Re: setacl

I guess I come from the opposite perspective, I've seen but never used cacls. I will say that if it can be protected, setacl can manipulate any ACEs for it: services, shares, filesystem objects, registry entries, not sure what else. It can set ownership, list out the ACEs, owner, group, inheritance...just about anything. And it can work with either names or SIDs, your choice. One thing really handy for migrations is changing all that sort of stuff from one user in one domain to the same name in another domain.

As for applicability to migrating a profile directory tree from a local profile to a domain server...not sure is it any better or worse than cacls.

»setacl.sourceforge.net/

There was a service I wanted to start/stop as a "normal" user, and the only tool I knew about at the time which could add an appropriate ACE was setacl; that one is even in their usage examples page.

The program even has ways to back up all that owner/group/ACE information, and restore it later.

Re: its

You asked, "why the correction."

I'll just say that I'm not so presumptuous to know the EXACT intent of ANY writer, just a statistically large probability, ergo the phrasing "I think you meant." As my .sig says, it's a difficult enough life trying to understand people when the rules are followed. To my way of thinking, while I realize there is a certain point where negativity has worse effects, more correct usage begets more correct usage, because the correct way is seen more than the incorrect way. If nothing more, the subconsciouses of more readers see more correct usages, and they will tend to write better, thus reducing misinterpretation possibilities. I realize the gamut of reaction is all the way from appreciation to outright hatred, and I apologize if this offends some.

But that is an interesting flag.
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Still at work setting up new servers and upgrading old ones...it's going to be a long night/weekend.
They have servers in WV?
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said by rebus9 See ProfileThey have servers in WV?
It took us 10 extra years, but we finally got 'em.

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said by rebus9 See ProfileThey have servers in WV?
It took us 10 extra years, but we finally got 'em.
Yea, but they're all steam powered.
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Hate Apple for limiting iPhone apps ?; then use webapps

These web apps are available from a new web site and also from Apple as well(not their app store).

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TGIF = Thank goodness it's Friday



Hope everyone has safe.... But has wild, crazy, sexy, and fun weekend
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WikiLeaks and unrestrained freedom

I think we've finally seen the zenith of unrestrained liberty which organizations like EFF argue for:

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According to Britain's Channel 4 News, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said in a telephone interview that the Afghans named in the leaked documents were under scrutiny.

"We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies working for the U.S. If they are U.S. spies, then we know how to punish them," he is quoted as saying.
-- »news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_···ikileaks
That's always the problem with these things. It looks cute (or noble, depending on your predilections) when someone posts leaked documents. But, someone eventually goes too far. Civilians who helped US military personnel will be executed. Causing other civilians to remain unaffiliated because some nutjob like Assange thinks it's "perfect liberty" to post top secret documents to the internet. Which in turn will place US troops in greater danger due to a lack of friendly, cooperative civilians providing intel.

Stuff like this is what will be the undoing of groups like EFF and wikileaks. It's what will turn a majority of the population in favor of greater controls of the internet.

It always works this way. A purist like the guy behind wikileaks ruins it for everyone else.

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Re: WikiLeaks and unrestrained freedom

What would you think a Taliban leader would say? "We have no clue"? "There's nothing very helpful there"?

The US and the Taliban are at war. Not much credibility was assigned to what was said by the Japanese and Germans in WWII.
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Not much credibility was assigned to what was said by the Japanese and Germans in WWII.
Well, according to your calculations, there's no reason to limit news access to war information because not much credibility is assigned to the news either.

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said by fatness:

What would you think a Taliban leader would say? "We have no clue"? "There's nothing very helpful there"?

The US and the Taliban are at war. Not much credibility was assigned to what was said by the Japanese and Germans in WWII.
That does strike me as an odd quote from the Taliban.

Their MO in the past usually involved kidnapping/beheading, public execution after family torture or something equally interesting.

I've never heard the "under surveillance" thing before.

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said by Noah Vail:

I've never heard the "under surveillance" thing before.
I don't understand how anyone can believe something like this is harmless:

»wardiary.wikileaks.org/afg/event···091.html

Not only does it name an individual who wished to give up on Taliban activities, the document doesn't add any value to war atrocities which may deserve "outing."

I only read three documents before finding that one. It's obvious why Assange defends himself by saying he invited the US government to vet the documents before they were released. He knew they had the potential to put people in jeopardy.

This was an irresponsible act. I knew it was just a matter of time until the entertainment nature of WikiLeaks would go too far, leading to (and justifying) calls for greater regulation of the Internet. Greater surveillance tools. Etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if Assange wasn't set up with fictitious data just so the government would have the "incident" it needs. But, either way, Assange showed how irresponsible he is.

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said by Noah Vail:

I've never heard the "under surveillance" thing before.
I don't understand how anyone can believe something like this is harmless:
Do I think it was harmless? Probably not.

Do I think it will save more US/US-invested lives than it cost?
Ah. That's the question that the jury is out on.

Looking at the unarmored Humvee debacle at the wars' beginning, tells me that sometimes our government has something other than our soldiers welfare in mind, when executing the fine details of war.

Sometimes our presidents, our DoD, our intelligence agencies and our allies; aren't the good guys. I don't think they're inherently evil. It's just that some days they need to be reminded to put the White Hat back on.

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Regardless of your opinion about the integrity of our Armed Forces, the fact is Classified information was leaked. This will no doubt have negative consequences for everyone involved in that theatre. I only hope they find this clown, try him for the treasonous act it was, and then draw and quarter him. No mercy for sh*t like this!
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I only hope they find this clown, try him for the treasonous act it was, and then draw and quarter him.
Is he a US citizen? If he wasn't I don't think it qualifies as treason. It'd be the same as if you did this to the Chinese.

said by S_engineer:

Regardless of your opinion about the integrity of our Armed Forces, the fact is Classified information was leaked. This will no doubt have negative consequences for everyone involved in that theater.
My opinion of our Armed Forces is high. I'm pretty sure you're right about short-to-medium term negative consequences.

The question is: Will this help bring about positive changes that will help in the long term; the time that has always been most uncertain?

I don't know the answer to that. I'm largely ignorant of specific details of the leaked docs, and wouldn't know how to plug raw intelligence data into the war.

The UK Independent, who initially coordinated the leak, talked him into holding back quite a few documents. Those docs were believed to be much higher risk, than what we have. That supports your negative opinion of the leaker.

Personally, I'm cryptome.org fan. I don't think they hold wikileaks in high regard either.

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said by Noah Vail:

said by S_engineer:

I only hope they find this clown, try him for the treasonous act it was, and then draw and quarter him.
Is he a US citizen? If he wasn't I don't think it qualifies as treason.
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Art. 3, Sect. 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Nothing in that language specifically limits the charge to US citizens.

I'm sure there are dozens of other charges that could be applied, such as conspiracy.

But, I doubt the government would want a long drawn out trial. I'm sure they're pleased to have the perfect argument for expanded surveillance abilities, ability to take down sites, etc.

And, as noted in an earlier post, intelligence (and counter-intelligence) activities usually don't go through such legal formalities. Especially during a time of war. He'll just drive off a bridge one day in a Toyota which "apparently had a throttle problem."

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Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Nothing in that language specifically limits the charge to US citizens.
That's the Constitutional Limit of Treason, which has the distinction of being the only crime specifically delimited by the constitution. It's intention was to prevent British style penalties such as Corruption of Blood/Attainder.

The qualification for treason are laid out in the the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381.
said by 18 U.S.C. § 2381 :

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
WikiLeaker doesn't seem to be owing any allegiance to the United States.

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said by S_engineer:

This will no doubt have negative consequences for everyone involved in that theatre.


It's going to have consequences for everyone using the internet too. This will be example #1 why the government needs more oversight, more tools, more historic data to unravel crimes after they happen.

Everyone who argued against warrentless wiretaps and NSA data mining just lost a lot of ground. It was just a matter of time until it happened. There's always some clown like Assange who goes too far, ruining it for everyone.

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I only hope they find this clown, try him for the treasonous act it was, and then draw and quarter him. No mercy for sh*t like this!
Given the nature of intelligence, and the stakes involved in wartime intelligence, it wouldn't surprise me if Assange is found floating face down in 2 inches of water, "in what police suspect to be an accidental drowning."

I doubt too many people will care.

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Everyone who argued against warrentless wiretaps and NSA data mining just lost a lot of ground. It was just a matter of time until it happened. There's always some clown like Assange who goes too far, ruining it for everyone.
I figured that's where you were going with all of this, since you've always supported the warrantless wiretapping and big government in general.

You say that the wiretapping is needed to protect us from dangerous people who want to do us harm. And then you quote one of those those dangerous people in your first post here as a reliable source to back up your argument.

That's ludicrous.
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said by fatness:

said by amigo_boy:

Everyone who argued against warrentless wiretaps and NSA data mining just lost a lot of ground. It was just a matter of time until it happened. There's always some clown like Assange who goes too far, ruining it for everyone.
I figured that's where you were going with all of this, since you've always supported the warrantless wiretapping and big government in general.

You say that the wiretapping is needed to protect us from dangerous people who want to do us harm. And then you quote one of those those dangerous people in your first post here as a reliable source to back up your argument.

That's ludicrous.
Why is that ludicrous? If you were to support a site which promoted whistle-blowing as a necessary function of a civil, open society, and then used an episode of whistle-blowing (revealing the worst atrocity or corruption) as proof of why you'd held that position, I wouldn't call it ludicrous. I'd say you have a good example of your position.

I've only taken the position that unrestrained whistle-blowing is not virtuous. It becomes libelous or a threat to national security. Eventually, someone like WikiLeaks (he individuals behind it) will go too far, leading to justification of the laws that allowed for warrentless wiretaps. Or, additional laws to to institutionalize NSA data mining.

I've said that I can see the benefit of leaking something like an atrocity or procurement corruption.

But, I believe wikileaks went far beyond that. Publishing documents that don't reveal anything of any value except to the Taliban. The only way it's justified is if you engage in a the nebulous, abstract "bigger picture" argument like "Noah" did.

It's unfortunate. It's going to lead to what opponents of greater regulation and surveillance oppose. All because some people (like AssMange) can't do the right thing without "big government" watching over their shoulder.

It's not that I support that reality. Just saying that is the reality. It's why we had the laws which allowed warrantless wiretaps even before 9/11. It's why we'll see greater public support for such laws.

It just is what it is.
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said by Noah Vail:

Do I think it will save more US/US-invested lives than it cost?
How does the example document I posted "save lives?"

If it was a document revealing or corroborating corruption, an atrocity, etc., I might understand the goal of leaking the document. (I know some say nothing should ever be leaked.).

But, it appears AssMange went way too far on this one. He posted documents that are revelatory to nobody except the Taliban.

He also sounds like a clinical narcissist. Imagine the ego, asking the federal government to participate with him, revealing top-secret documents obtained in violation of the law.

It was just a matter of time until his ego would cause him to go way too far. He has set the internet back two decades. This incident will be the basis of regulatory attempts for many years. And, AssMange will only think of himself. The internet exists for him to post whatever he wants. (That's how narcissists tick.).

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Re: WikiLeaks and unrestrained freedom

said by amigo_boy:

said by Noah Vail:

Do I think it will save more US/US-invested lives than it cost?
How does the example document I posted "save lives?"
The unit of measure isn't a single document, it's the long term effect of the entire release.

As to what that effect will be, the answer is I don't know.

I don't have the ability
to plug countless thousands of pages of raw intelligence
into a highly dynamic war
and know whether their public release
will have an overall positive/negative effect,
years from now.

That would be most meaningful measurement of the value of the release. I don't know who has the ability to puzzle out the answer to that. Time will tell us one way or the other.

Here's what I'm pitting the leak up against.

1) My US Government; who for all their good intentions and well made plans occasionally makes tremendous and inexcusable mistakes regarding the well being our those under it's care.

Examples are
_a)Needlessly under-equipping soldiers in a war,
_b)Fighting a pulled-punches war that puts our troops in danger but saves political careers and power,
_c)Promises to indigenous people that are broken as soon as it's politically convenient
and
_d)Failing to appropriately support our returned military people who've paid a tremendous price in the service of their country.

2) A Press that is - on balance - far more concerned with ideology, manipulation and cost structure than with journalism.

3) Allies who owe allegiance to the United States but are actually immersed in treasonous acts with our enemies.

There are reports that the WikiLeak exposed #3.

If you have a solution to issue #'s 1,2 & 3; that is historically effective; I'd be interested in hearing it.

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Re: WikiLeaks and unrestrained freedom

said by Noah Vail:

said by amigo_boy:

said by Noah Vail:

Do I think it will save more US/US-invested lives than it cost?
How does the example document I posted "save lives?"
The unit of measure isn't a single document, it's the long term effect of the entire release.

As to what that effect will be, the answer is I don't know.
Which is why the government has the power to classify documents as top-secret, and those who publish them (knowing they don't have the ability to judge the harm they may cause) should be charged with treason, seditious libel or either of the two laws I posted before.

I could understand posting something like a video showing an atrocity of war. Or, documents showing how a corrupt procurement process led to ineffective property that cost lives (or taxpayer dollars). I know many who would say even that is inexcusable.

But, indiscriminately posting documents which name informants and enemy turncoats (not even in the context of some scandal of atrocity or corruption) is very different.

It's simply disingenuous to say "but, I didn't know which person might actually be harmed. And besides, I didn't have time to read each document individually. And, it's the 'big picture.' These documents might reveal something that I can't even contemplate."

Using your rationale, a person could act as recklessly as they wish and always have an "out." That's just another excuse for greater government control over the internet, expanded surveillance powers, etc. People can't exercise judicious restraint, so they need the government to do it for them.

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Guess I read it differently, where does it name an individual who wished to give up on Taliban activities? You talking about Manan?

I guess they could potentially find out who that is, even though it is a common first name, by checking on the Manam's that used to be under that certain commander.
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Re: WikiLeaks and unrestrained freedom

said by KrK:

I guess they could potentially find out who that is, even though it is a common first name, by checking on the Manam's that used to be under that certain commander.
Are you serious?

• Manan, with 21 men.
• under a reputed Hizb-e-Islami commander and Faisan ally.
• they were from the area east of 4 corners, from Sultan Bagh up to Chardival Sini area.
• All seemed to be under the command of Abdul Manan, who is directly under Faizullah in Deh Yak.

What do you want, his fingerprint?

This is the sort of information where the Taliban would only have to put the squeeze on one of this men to get confirmation. 21 people aren't going to keep a secret when facing public beheading for fraternizing with the infidel.

Thanks a lot, wikileaks.

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Re: WikiLeaks and unrestrained freedom

Yes, I'm serious.
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The US should write-up some docs that document cooperation with and cash payments to Taliban leaders, then "accidentally" leak them to sow FUD among enemy ranks.
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said by amigo_boy:

I think we've finally seen the zenith of unrestrained liberty which organizations like EFF argue for:

quote:
According to Britain's Channel 4 News, Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said in a telephone interview that the Afghans named in the leaked documents were under scrutiny.

"We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies working for the U.S. If they are U.S. spies, then we know how to punish them," he is quoted as saying.
-- »news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_···ikileaks
That's always the problem with these things. It looks cute (or noble, depending on your predilections) when someone posts leaked documents. But, someone eventually goes too far. Civilians who helped US military personnel will be executed. Causing other civilians to remain unaffiliated because some nutjob like Assange thinks it's "perfect liberty" to post top secret documents to the internet. Which in turn will place US troops in greater danger due to a lack of friendly, cooperative civilians providing intel.

Stuff like this is what will be the undoing of groups like EFF and wikileaks. It's what will turn a majority of the population in favor of greater controls of the internet.

It always works this way. A purist like the guy behind wikileaks ruins it for everyone else.
I could go into detail of how idiotic your argument is, but I'd like to point out your ridiculous assertion of "unretrained liberty". By starting your argument off with such an untenable proclamation, how can you convince a reader you've given serious thought to the topic?

These documents validate many things we've suspected about the war. Hundreds of civilian deaths knowingly unreported by NATO and the US, the close ties between Pakistani and Taliban intelligence, the protection rackets indirectly funded by NATO, the complete ineptitude and uncertainty of our armed forces, and on and on.

The war in Afghanistan is the longest war the US has ever fought in its *entire history*, and these documents demonstrate there really is no hope for us in that country. Your puerile whining about "national security" is sickening. You should be ashamed of yourself, most especially since you haven't even read the documents.
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Why do they feel the need to close a lane and cone it off 8 miles before we get to the bridge they are painting the handrail on?

Really: today on I-80 East Bound NJ they are doing some minor bridge work at exit 27A. Cones started at exit 19 which is 8 MILES away. What is really bogus is that there are 2 exits and 2 entrance ramps in the middle of the coned area so it is mot like there is no activity across the closed lane.

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Safety reasons. Construction companies do this all the time.

Example: My dad was a project engineer/manager on the Tappan Zee Bridge back when they had a major deck replacement project. Lane closures started a decent bit away, about 2 miles (and 2 lanes were knocked out). As they were cleaning up for the night, there was a MAJOR accident where someone was speeding and ended up in the construction lanes, crashed badly, and killed most/all the people in the vehicle.

It's for the workers' safety they do this.

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I do understand the safety requirement of closing a lane to protect the workers, But for 8 miles?????? There was a crash truck about 50 yards from the actual work so if any fool ended in in the closed lane, this would have stopped them where the workers were actually stationed.. It was not even like the lane was solid closed for the 8 miles, there were 2 exit/entrance ramps in that 8 miles so even though it was closed, they had traffic crossing these lanes.

And there was no other work going on in the 8 miles. When I cam back about 1PM still just working on that bridge.

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said by sansri88:

Safety reasons. Construction companies do this all the time.
Then they should stop.

said by sansri88:

As they were cleaning up for the night, there was a MAJOR accident where someone was speeding and ended up in the construction lanes, crashed badly, and killed most/all the people in the vehicle.

It's for the workers' safety they do this.
I agree with pende_tim See Profile. That's why a const company would close a mile of lane. What kind of traffic accident could only be safeguarded against, by 8 miles of closed lane?

A traffic accident that puts the highway workers at direct risk, did not begin 8 miles ago.

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There may be some other construction within that 8 mile area that may not be obvious. Or there will be work later and they just do the entire area so they can prepare.

You can check with local or state or whatever officials to see just what construction is scheduled.
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Here in Texas there are some regulations from the state concerning the placement of cones. The length of the cone placement is determined by the speed limit on the road.

Not acquainted with NJ, but you might want to check with the state to see what the requirements for cones and traffic control is for road work.

As a side note, around here, there are always a few that see the requirement to change lanes and do not react to it until the lane ends, and then f up traffic by trying to bull their way in to the open lanes.

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Re: Good hints how to lower cable & cellphone bills

said by ThrowDemsOut:

Good news item on how to negotiate for lower bills for cable TV & cellphone services.

»usat.me/?39486266
Looks like it depends on what you think your time is worth. $500 savings in 5 years is only about 27 cents per day.

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Uncle Sam is thinking about making you Government Issue.
What you think would be irrelevant.

said by a Blog :

The bill is worded this way:

"To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, and for other purposes."
I guess isn't very popular to discuss this bill,
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Am I Losing My Mind?

I'm tempted to re-get an SBC landline, just to hook up a '70s era rotary-dial telephone. Maybe even two or three of 'em.

Just like the IBM XT I still own, a technological artifact, IMHO, needs to be plugged in and working, in order to be fully appreciated.

Anyway, I have a reason to care about ole Western Electric equipment... my (late) mom worked for the real AT&T, and she was the model in the Pacific Telephone/ATT ads for their "Princess" telephone, circa 1960.

Yeah, my mom was "hot"... Now, she's "not", died in '006.

Rotary dial phones are cool!

I miss them, and, of course, my mom....

I still have a rotary-dial Trimline, anyone have a Princess phone, that they could part with?

Heck, anyone have a copy of the ad I mentioned? That would be REALLY cool...

Oh well, have a nice weekend...
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Re: Am I Losing My Mind?

here you go

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Re: Am I Losing My Mind?

"Trimline" was my fave WE phone...... You got a "Princess" ad? my mom wasn't "trim" the Trimline... I really APPRECIATE THIS NEVERTHELESS!

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