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Is There Anybody Out There? Just Nod if You Can Hear Me.
by Karl Bode Sunday 07-Oct-2012
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Sprint, Tmobile and Metropcs

Im really hoping Sprint purchases Metropcs. I wonder if they will actually Counter offer Tmobile. Ive got quite a bit of stock with Sprint and it has been going up alot since the rumor. Although then again it could make them bankrupt. I think the extra spectrum would help them out. Imo.

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Steve Jobs dead 1 yr

Steve Jobs has been dead 1 yr. Here are some links discussing his impact and Apple's future:

»www.washingtonpost.com/business/···ory.html

It’s been one year since Apple co-founder Steve Jobs died. On Friday, the company he built and led to the top of its field commemorated his life with a video on its home page.

In a statement, Apple chief executive Tim Cook pays tribute to his former boss and reaffirms that Jobs’s ideals run deep at the company.

“Our values originated from Steve and his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple,” Cook wrote in a message that appears after the video. “We share the great privilege and responsibility of carrying his legacy into the future.”

»www.eweek.com/mobile/steve-jobs-···son-why/

»www.informationweek.com/hardware···40008271

Apple's tribute to Jobs:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=t22IgMTbuO8

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The Ultimate Tribute to Jobs...
Foxconn's iPhone plant "paralyzed" as thousands strike: report
»www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/···20121006

Jobs knew of the conditions at Foxconn...corporate slavery!
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Most of the young people who protest these sweatshops themselves would defecate bricks if working conditions were improved and the prices of their iDevices and other electronic gadgets rose accordingly.

But say Apple decided to make the iPhone in a fully automated robotic facility... I wonder how many of the same people would complain that Apple killed jobs?

But on a personal note... I am not sure how to feel about this. Yes it stinks that people work like this, but in places like China, these are the plum jobs, and without them, these people would have no work and be in deeper poverty. Yes, the working conditions are not ideal. But the low cost of labor has also made electronics more accessible to more people in the West. Remember how expensive TVs, VCRs, stereo systems and computers were in the 1970s and 1980s? We'd never have the kind of penetration with the Internet that we have today if electronic gadgetry was prohibitively expensive.
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said by pnh102:

Yes, the working conditions are not ideal. But the low cost of labor has also made electronics more accessible to more people in the West.

Not ideal?...what a heart you have. Would you have your child work there? And just like the prevailing attitude in the west, they're keeping the wages low under the guise of "you're lucky to have a job" and keeping all of the profits at the top. And that same low cost of labor mentality has poliferated board rooms across America sending millions of middle class jobs overseas from here in the good ole U.S.A further depleting our tax base and sending people here into the abyss of poverty. Everything any one needs to know about you is in your writing. Justifying criminal working conditions so kids can fight in school about what SuzieQ said on Facebook is pretty freakin sad. You should think of the term "consequence" when applying this mentality!

And by the way... Weren't you one of the ones crying for people to save rather than have an entity give away a subsidy?
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said by S_engineer:

Not ideal?...what a heart you have.

If you don't like the way electronics companies do business, then don't buy from them. Or perhaps you can support political candidates who would change the laws in the US so that manufacturing here, under more ideal conditions, becomes financially possible.

I'll assert that Apple is the least worst of the offenders because they are under a lot more scrutiny than anyone else.
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Why is it not "financially possible" right now? Because we have laws regarding minimum wage, overtime, child labor, pollution?

I'm sure we could out-compete the Chinese if we threw all that out the window. But do we want to?
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said by Rogue Wolf:

Why is it not "financially possible" right now? Because we have laws regarding minimum wage, overtime, child labor, pollution?

I'm sure we could out-compete the Chinese if we threw all that out the window. But do we want to?

Then you have to accept that these problems are now exported to China.

There's also another big problem here... college education. We simply do not graduate enough Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) majors to effectively compete. Sure there are tons of college-educated people, but they are in majors which do not prepare them for this kind of work. On the other hand, China literally poops out truckloads of these people.
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said by pnh102:

said by Rogue Wolf:

Why is it not "financially possible" right now? Because we have laws regarding minimum wage, overtime, child labor, pollution?

I'm sure we could out-compete the Chinese if we threw all that out the window. But do we want to?

Then you have to accept that these problems are now exported to China.

There's also another big problem here... college education. We simply do not graduate enough Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) majors to effectively compete. Sure there are tons of college-educated people, but they are in majors which do not prepare them for this kind of work. On the other hand, China literally poops out truckloads of these people.

Because the Asians are smarter than us in general, especially when it comes to the sciences (the stereotype is absolutely true).

Americans have never been good at math or science. Most of the real science done here in the 20th century was done by Nazi refugees. Indeed most all of the important breakthroughs in physics during the 19th and 20th centuries was either done in Europe or by Europeans who immigrated to America later. (Indeed, the only reason America got the bomb was because of Jewish physicists fleeing the Nazis).

During the early 20th century America was completely ignored in the sciences -- all the best were in Europe. There were very few "native" Americans who had any influence at all, especially in physics. If you were to walk into a Princeton or Harvard science building during the 40's or 50's you would hear nothing but German accents.

And most of the good science being done here today is done by immigrants not born here. I don't have exact statistics, but I think around 40% of all math and science graduate students in American universities are foreign born.

So the only way America will ever stay competitive at science is to ask more Indians and Asians to immigrate here.

This is not to say "native" American students are too stupid for STEM courses, but they don't have much incentive. Most college students have dollar signs on their mind and the rigor of getting advanced degrees is not worth the economic pay-off. You can do well financially with a 4 year STEM degree, thus going for 4 extra years is not worth it to most people.
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Hog Wash... What a racist comment.

Cultural influence and aptitude are completely different things and we have plenty of "Asians" who are American in America too.

The thing is that our culture isn't putting enough emphasis on STEM topics. We'd rather watch football, basketball, et cetera. So people think those things are cool and important and not science and math.

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So, basically having a piece of paper gives us knowledge. False.

I would gladly give you plenty of counterexamples as to American mathematicians who have made an impact in mathematics (which is the foundation for many, many subjects including science).

And, for the record, we have the right to consider whether getting a worthless piece of paper is worth going into the hole. It's the only way to get a job in this economy, regardless of what people say about having a "marketable" skill. In my own personal experience, no place would ever give me an interview because I didn't have that damn piece of paper, even though I have plenty of marketable skills.

So, damned if I go to college, and damned if I don't go to college, one way or another it sounds like Americans JUST don't measure up. I would actually heed your opinion, except most of your opinion is nothing but conjecturing. Provide some sources, citations, some claims to back up your argument, and your conjecture would be valid.
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Some of the best scientists in history came from America.

Asians have a higher average IQ, but all of the most intelligent people with the highest IQs are white.

And as for your full of crap response about the manhattan project?

»www.nndb.com/group/738/000055573/

46 americans
6 germans
5 austrians
3 italians
3 guys from hungary (1 other from austria-hungary, included as an austrian)
2 english
2 guys from denmark
2 from poland
2 candians
1 guy from russia
1 from the netherlands
1 guy from new zealand

1 JEWISH

And from the American side, most were physicists.

This is a list of all of the people involved with the manhattan project, either spying, giving advice, political, etc.

Wanna spew anymore of your BS? Try it somewhere else.

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said by pnh102:

said by Rogue Wolf:

Why is it not "financially possible" right now? Because we have laws regarding minimum wage, overtime, child labor, pollution?

I'm sure we could out-compete the Chinese if we threw all that out the window. But do we want to?

There's also another big problem here... college education. We simply do not graduate enough Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) majors to effectively compete.

Why would anyone take out the type of loans for the aforementioned major when corporations are being "financially responsible" and either paying low wages with little benefits, or exporting these jobs in the first place?....second, we can effectively compete and crush any foreign competition....the problem is it just might cut those profit margins for the next quarter....and we can't have that now can we!
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said by S_engineer:

Why would anyone take out the type of loans for the aforementioned major when corporations are being "financially responsible" and either paying low wages with little benefits, or exporting these jobs in the first place?....second, we can effectively compete and crush any foreign competition....the problem is it just might cut those profit margins for the next quarter....and we can't have that now can we!

It depends on your major... if you get a B.S. in Psychology, liberal arts, English, womyn's studies, etc. then yes you most likely relegate yourself to low-wage work. But majors in various kinds of engineering can do better.

As for effectively competing, we can't. If we could, then we'd see more manufacturing here than abroad.
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The acronym you should give anyone going to college is STEM -- Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. ESPECIALLY if you are a woman or a minority. Your expensive college education will pay off.

The only reason to go history, English, women's studies, etc., unless you want to be student loan burdened and be lucky to land a $40K job, is if you intend to go for an advanced degree and teach, or to go for an MBA or law degree. Or unless you have your way paved for you in a family business.

It is certainly possible to move ahead and make decent coin with a liberal arts degree, but it will be because you start at your $40K entry level job and work hard and get ahead, not because you are using your college degree.

There are some majors that are tweeners... e.g communications, politics, social sciences. The job market for these is significantly lower in pay but you can make a living.
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said by MyDogHsFleas:

The acronym you should give anyone going to college is STEM -- Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. ESPECIALLY if you are a woman or a minority. Your expensive college education will pay off.

The problem with STEM is that, like liberal arts, anyone who is really looking for their education to 'pay off' is going to get an education in business/finance. To me, it is sad that what would have been great, innovative minds were (and still are) wasted on creating derivatives. There is no incentive to go into STEM and the country is quickly losing prestige (among other things) because of it.
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said by MyDogHsFleas:

The acronym you should give anyone going to college is STEM -- Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. ESPECIALLY if you are a woman or a minority. Your expensive college education will pay off.

The problem with STEM is that, like liberal arts, anyone who is really looking for their education to 'pay off' is going to get an education in business/finance. To me, it is sad that what would have been great, innovative minds were (and still are) wasted on creating derivatives. There is no incentive to go into STEM and the country is quickly losing prestige (among other things) because of it.

Business/finance major is more of a gamble than STEM. With STEM you pretty much have a guaranteed job and pretty good income for life unless you are a complete jackass and piss off your employers so much you become a toxic employee. With business/finance you have more work to do to establish yourself, and there's a lot more competition. You pretty much start at the low end of a financial organization and have to prove yourself by delivering clients and revenue to the company. I know lots of GenX age people who have the business/finance degree and are struggling. Yes, if you become a rainmaker or rocket scientist you get the big payoff, but that's like saying if you are a good college basketball player you'll get the big payday in the NBA. The odds are against you.

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said by pnh102:

Most of the young people who protest these sweatshops themselves would defecate bricks if working conditions were improved and the prices of their iDevices and other electronic gadgets rose accordingly.

I know you mean gadgets in general but regarding iDevices, being made @ Foxconn is keeping prices down? What would they be if manufactured in the US?
Prices are set by greed first, consumer affordability second.

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said by gazer:

I know you mean gadgets in general but regarding iDevices, being made @ Foxconn is keeping prices down? What would they be if manufactured in the US?
Prices are set by greed first, consumer affordability second.

Just go back to the early 1980s and remember how expensive electronics were back them when they were not made like they are in China. You'd be paying $1000 or so for a VCR, $500 for a TV, etc.
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And yet I have a working TV and VCR from the 1980s. They were made a lot better in those days so I would say the extra money was worth it.

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We could probably manufacture in the U.S. and be competitive, if we did not have unions. Union workers work less, provide lower quality products, take sick days when they really are not sick, protect poor performing workers, require paid union stewards who go home to drink during the workday, sabotage products to protest silly crap against their employer, etc. So while it is possible to be competitive against China, union BS here in the U.S. prevents that work from coming back. Hence our declining standard of living here and the massive U.S. debt. While unions at one time provided a much needed service, employment laws and protections have made unions obsolete and unnecessary. The are now a hinderance to jobs and economic growth.
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Ahhh the same old anti-union lies, just a different name.

How do you explain that, as union membership has been declining, the situation is getting worse? Manufacturing is still moving offshore. It will not come back until you are willing to work for $10/day... are you saying YOU are ready to take a big pay cut?

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said by jduffy:

While unions at one time provided a much needed service, employment laws and protections have made unions obsolete and unnecessary.

The common tendency by many politicians these days is to call those laws "job-killing regulations" and agitate for them to be repealed.

This nation had a time in our recent past where huge companies had all the power in almost every facet of our lives- absolute monopolies, with the power to dictate legislation or even buy political positions. They called the people who headed these companies "robber barons". There are some people who romanticize that era; these are the same people who quote Ayn Rand ceaselessly and wholeheartedly believe that money is the only measure of worth for anything- up to, including, and especially human beings.
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said by pnh102:

But say Apple decided to make the iPhone in a fully automated robotic facility... I wonder how many of the same people would complain that Apple killed jobs?

Actually it was cancer.
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Enjoy your {Acer, ASRock, Asus, Cisco, Dell, HP, Intel, IBM, Lenovo, Logitech, Microsoft, MSI, Motorola, Nintendo, Nokia, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony Ericsson, Toshiba, and Vizio} devices made with Foxconn "iSlave" labor. Clearly, the only solution here is to move to the backwoods and live in a cave.
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said by JTR:

Clearly, the only solution here is to move to the backwoods and live in a cave.

...and be a subsistence farmer with homemade tools to protest migrant farm-working conditions.
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Newsflash: Steve Jobs is still dead!

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The last time Jobs left Apple the company near went belly up. Only to be saved when Jobs came back. Well he's not coming back this time. So I wait in anticipation of the inevitable decline of this POS company.
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said by BF69:

The last time Jobs left Apple the company near went belly up. Only to be saved when Jobs came back. Well he's not coming back this time.

The way people talk about him, they fully expect a Second Coming.

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He ain't coming back and Apples going down!!
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Not that I would ever wish to be mistaken as liking Apple, but come on, you can't just blindly blame companies giving us what we demand.

Cheapest price at any cost.

If you refused to buy from China/Southeast Asia at all, and not one article or service connected to them in any fraction of participation, the result would indeed be chaos.

But in the end, it would need to be made, and it would not need to be made there, and your customer can only pay you with what they have. The companies can pay the workforce whatever they want, but if your workforce/consumer base can't afford to buy, you priced it too high eh.

A product/service will never cost more than target audience can afford.

Companies are not to blame and unions are not to blame and customers are not to blame, it's North Americans causing the problems for North Americans.

The solution is only as bitter as we have willingly made it.
The day Apple can't get anyone to afford Apple iCrap, is the day they lower the price.
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The fastest way to get rich is join them actually.

You don't HAVE to be an employee eh.

The owner always gets most of the money. And you don't even need an education to be a businessman, just smart enough to realise people will pay you to do what they don't want to do.

My advice to people paying for an education, stop applying to fast food, and start up a lawncare operation, or do something creative like errand running for seniors (lots of seniors as people are increasingly refusing to die it seems). It's amazing how much money you can make just starting small.

Generally speaking, most rich didn't become rich without making themselves rich off of people unwilling to be anything other than an employee.

I don't resent the rich becoming rich. You need to just understand the rules of the game people. I don't hate Walmart for selling me shit from China made by people that clearly have no worth to the Chinese government. You empowered Walmart by willingly buying that crap because you're inherently cheap. And then you get annoyed that Walmart isn't interested in being union friendly. Unions aren't a right you know.
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said by Sukunai:

You empowered Walmart by willingly buying that crap because you're inherently cheap. And then you get annoyed that Walmart isn't interested in being union friendly.

I would say you are half right... most of the cheap people who shop there don't care that Walmart is union un-friendly. Logically, people who are annoyed by a business (for whatever reason) tend not to shop there.
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said by Sukunai:

The fastest way to get rich is join them actually.

You don't HAVE to be an employee eh.

The owner always gets most of the money. And you don't even need an education to be a businessman, just smart enough to realise people will pay you to do what they don't want to do.
**snip**

This is very true. Many of the millionaires in this country own small service businesses. It's incredibly hard work and requires a special kind of person who is pretty much indomitable, but it's a good path to riches.

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Hello!

Greetings, I love this cold front that has sweept the US this week. I was expecting more snow. Looks like only WY was lucky enough to get some of the snow.

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said by squirrel83:

Greetings, I love this cold front that has sweept the US this week. I was expecting more snow. Looks like only WY was lucky enough to get some of the snow.

It was a beautiful day here in the Pocono's, warm and sunny.

This will be the last nice day for a while I think.

Lots of birds at the feeders, I guess they know the cold weather will soon be here.
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I haz nodding, just like the hamsters in the Kia at the end.

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Thank you. You look nice today.

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FCCs removes rules forcing cable sell content to Sat &Telcos

Google just lost some leverage for Kansas City TV offerings. The FCC just removed the rules requiring cable companies to sell content they own to satellite & telcos. Comcast still has to sell content for a couple years yet due to merger with NBC approvals.

»www.latimes.com/entertainment/en···23.story

The Federal Communications Commission has decided not to extend its regulations requiring cable operators that own programming to make that content available to rival pay-TV distributors such as satellite broadcasters.

Known as the program access rules, the regulations were a key part of the 1992 Cable Act and credited with driving the growth of the satellite broadcasting industry.

However, now that DirecTV and Dish are viable competitors to cable, and phone companies such as Verizon and AT&T are also going head-to-head against cable providers, the commission decided to let the rules expire.

DirecTV, Verizon and smaller cable operators fought to keep the rules intact. Google, which is launching its own programming service in the Midwest, also tried to make the case to the FCC that the rules were still important.

"The exclusivity ban served its purpose, but now the facts justifying its existence have changed in favor of consumers," FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell added. "Accordingly, this creaky relic must be shown the door."


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CLEAR possible security breach

Two years ago I was a Clear customer and today I recieved 2 emails asking to update my payment information. Emails came from their domain, the last email received was from the same domain asking to update my payment info. Heres their apology email:
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You recently may have received one or more inadvertent emails stating that CLEAR could not process a credit/debit card payment and/or that you need to make a payment in order to reinstate your CLEAR internet service. Please understand that the majority of these emails were sent in error, and we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience that these emails may have caused. If you currently are a CLEAR customer in good standing and are not presently experiencing any interruption in your CLEAR service, no action is needed on your part. If you are no longer a customer, please be assured that we have not attempted to charge your credit or debit card.

We further apologize that several of our support systems (e.g., CLEAR.com, My Account, Customer Care) are currently experiencing unusually heavy volume, which may affect your ability to access these systems in the short term. If you are a customer in good standing and your service is working properly, there is no need for you to contact CLEAR Customer Care regarding this email.

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MyDogHsFleas
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join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
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Re: CLEAR possible security breach

I think this is not a security breach, but a simple screwup by Clear. I don't see any evidence that their servers were breached or you're being spammed.

I think what happened was that their business process/CRM software somehow had a bad rule or something and decided that some customers who were in good standing were not, and the standard "Hey! Your service is being cut off. Please pay us if you want service." emails went out. Oops.
simon726

join:2006-12-21
Ajax, ON

Happy (Canadian) Thanksgiving!

Happy (Canadian) Thanksgiving to our Canadian members on this board!

Linklist
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join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5

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Re: Happy (Canadian) Thanksgiving!

said by simon726:

Happy (Canadian) Thanksgiving to our Canadian members on this board!

Happy Thanksgiving early. Monday, Oct 8 is holiday. Enjoy your long weekend.


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backfeed
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join:2002-12-16
Peru, IN

Nod

Nod...Nod...Nod.....now I am dizzy

Rogue Wolf
Really Ties The Room Together

join:2003-08-12
Troy, NY

Re: Nod

Backfeed is a headbanger? Who knew?

backfeed
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Peru, IN
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Re: Nod

said by Rogue Wolf:

Backfeed is a headbanger? Who knew?

Dang, my secret is out
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RavonTUS

join:2003-10-15
Lafayette, IN
Reviews:
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AT&T DSL Speed Settlement

Greetings,

Just wondering how I am going to be spending my big AT&T DSL Speed Settlement check this weekend.

The law suite is from 2010, when AT&T charged full price for slower than listed DSL. Let's see, back then it was about $29.99 a month for 3 month.

So, with my BIG check in hand, $7.80, I'm think McDonald's for dinner...LOL

Anyone else raking in the big bucks??

-Ravon

lordpuffer
Comfortably Numb
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Rio Rancho, NM
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Re: AT&T DSL Speed Settlement

The law suit is from prior to 2010. When I was notified of it in around 2008, I figured, based upon the theory/breakdown of the case, that I should receive over $100. I got a check the other day for $47.50.

I guess that I should be happy since so many people got so little. I wonder how much the Plaintiff's Attorneys received in compensation?
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SeNe

@windstream.net
I'm still waiting to see if there will be a "would you like fries with that" refund from Windstream.

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
Got 2 7.80 checks and 1 8.70 checks for the various times I came and left them. Whent out and bought a dozen assored Krispy Kreem Donuts, so Krispy Kreem can thank AT&T for that.

Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT

Public Service Announcement from Canada

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApmPQDAzYyM
CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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NYC
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Re: Public Service Announcement from Canada

How exactly does decapitating a zombie 'kill' it? Some scientific mysteries have always eluded me. If you die by guillotine (and are already decapitated) can you still become a zombie?

JigglyWiggly

join:2009-07-12
Pleasanton, CA

Re: Public Service Announcement from Canada

did the colors change or am i high
it's like complete eye rape

milnoc

join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:1
I wasn't sure what this was at first.

Then there was the zinger!

Extremely well made PSA!

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

So

You paid your light bill again finaly

backfeed
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Peru, IN
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Re: So

said by OSUGoose:

You paid your light bill again finaly

I wonder if the backup generators have any fuel?? If the site is hosted in CA maybe the "shortage" caused them to run out??
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Bob
Account deleted

join:2012-07-22
New Jersey
We have electric bills here, not light bills.

Regardless, I've told Justin multiple times that NAC sucks donkey balls, but he won't listen to me.

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: So

Have you created a blog or posted on Reddit, everyone knows that shit gets real at that level then....
Bob
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New Jersey

Re: So

What?

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: So

It was a joke, nothing is "serious" untill someone has created a blog or reddit post, then shit just got real.
shezams
My Other Car Is A Zamboni
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Hyattsville, MD

DSLReports having technical issues?

The site is hard to reach and when it does load it seems a bit unwilling. What's up?
And then I get my Zippy fortune
Random fortune from 'zippy'

I'd like MY data-base JULIENNED and stir-fried!

Hmmm...
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

Your Hosting Provider Sucks

Seriously... this what, the 2nd or 3rd interruption in one year? You really need a better web host. This kind of downtime is unacceptable even for personal websites!
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Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
kudos:4

Re: Your Hosting Provider Sucks

DslReports needs a battery backup

Rogue Wolf
Really Ties The Room Together

join:2003-08-12
Troy, NY

Re: Your Hosting Provider Sucks

I've got a spare 9-volt I can donate... that should do the trick, right?
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Bob
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New Jersey
I've told Justin multiple times that NAC sucks donkey balls, but he won't listen to me.

dbmaven
There's no shortage
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(topic offline) Scum of the Earth.. (NSFW)

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