We're #1 In Broadband (Sort Of)Assuming you look at completely irrelevant data like SMS use.... ( old news - 10:50AM Monday Feb 23 2009) tags: coverage · business · bandwidthThe US currently ranks fifteenth in penetration, thirteenth in average price per connection, and nineteenth in average advertised download speed, according to OECD data. Still, the New York Times says we're actually "number one in broadband," assuming you look at the Nokia-funded Connectivity Scorecard, which measures technology use and skills by consumers, and not necessarily broadband. The measurement is crafted by comparing countries on five criteria: Internet penetration, penetration of Internet banking, wired and wireless voice minutes per capita, SMS messages per capita (OMG LOL), and consumer software spending (full methodology on page 38 of the report). Article author Saul Hansell recently proclaimed that broadband coverage gaps were "hooey" and continues that theme here, though with a bit more subtlety.
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| So all those teens.... ....that say "like" about 5 times per sentence, and are messaging each other while in the same room got such a high SMS & mobile internet count, we actually measure up to something in the totals? :P
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join:2000-03-02 | Re: So all those teens.... Yes. "OMGLOL CU L8TR QT" helped improve our broadband ranking, apparently. | |
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1 edit | AND LIKE!!! 99 percent of facts are made up.. According to my free study.. Almost all Americans have 50/50 home connections. Verizon has a 99 percent penetration rate. How did I come up with this figure? Seeing how one person in a given area can get it, I assume everyone in the entire state can have access to the service!!! | |
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| Re: So all those teens.... said by jc100  :AND LIKE!!! 99 percent of facts are made up.. According to my free study.. Almost all Americans have 50/50 home connections. Verizon has a 99 percent penetration rate. How did I come up with this figure? Seeing how one person in a given area can get it, I assume everyone in the entire state can have access to the service!!! According to your free study????
Source your sample group with all variables please.
Thats like saying....According to me....50 % of people believe that the other 50% of people are wrong, but of those people 50% believe there could be variables that could change their mind, which could lead to be the 50% that were believed to be wrong actually being 75% of the people being right! | |
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| Re: So all those teens.... said by S_engineer :said by jc100 :AND LIKE!!! 99 percent of facts are made up.. According to my free study.. Almost all Americans have 50/50 home connections. Verizon has a 99 percent penetration rate. How did I come up with this figure? Seeing how one person in a given area can get it, I assume everyone in the entire state can have access to the service!!! According to your free study???? Source your sample group with all variables please. Thats like saying....According to me....50 % of people believe that the other 50% of people are wrong, but of those people 50% believe there could be variables that could change their mind, which could lead to be the 50% that were believed to be wrong actually being 75% of the people being right! That's asking a lot out of him.
Different teens will say different things but I can say with a lot of certainty that many kids do weird spellings to save space and time typing in their text messages. Can't tell you how many times my own friends (who have kids themselves) send me text messages that take me an hour to decipher. Something like:
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can u hlp me tngt @ my hous ltr?
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| said by maartena :....that say "like" about 5 times per sentence, and are messaging each other while in the same room got such a high SMS & mobile internet count, we actually measure up to something in the totals? :P You have the best Avatar on this entire site. | |
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| Re: Huh? said by verolom :None of the five categories listed have much to do with broadband. We are #1 in absurd claims and delusions though. Welcome to the United States of Quackery.
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| Re: Huh? said by Pizz :said by verolom :None of the five categories listed have much to do with broadband. We are #1 in absurd claims and delusions though. Welcome to the United States of Quackery. | |
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| said by Pizz :said by verolom :None of the five categories listed have much to do with broadband. We are #1 in absurd claims and delusions though. Welcome to the United States of Quackery. Maybe you missed the part of the report(or intentionally ignored it) where it was developed by Nokia(a Finnish company) and the London Business School. It wasn't a puff piece put together to make the US look good.
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| Re: Huh? said by TKJunkMail :said by Pizz :said by verolom :None of the five categories listed have much to do with broadband. We are #1 in absurd claims and delusions though. Welcome to the United States of Quackery. Maybe you missed the part of the report(or intentionally ignored it) where it was developed by Nokia(a Finnish company) and the London Business School. It wasn't a puff piece put together to make the US look good. I read the report. It was intentional to make the US look good. Lobby money sent that way? who know's! But my opinion still stands.
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Pizz :said by verolom :None of the five categories listed have much to do with broadband. We are #1 in absurd claims and delusions though. Welcome to the United States of Quackery. Maybe you missed the part of the report(or intentionally ignored it) where it was developed by Nokia(a Finnish company) and the London Business School. It wasn't a puff piece put together to make the US look good. Considering the vast majority of things they based the score on had nothing to do with broadband, their conclusion is crap. Doesn't matter if it was done by the London Business School or Burger King. | |
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| Re: Huh? said by digitalfreak : Doesn't matter if it was done by the London Business School or Burger King. I disagree, that study would have been much tastier flame-broiled.  | |
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3 edits | Re: hmmmm..... said by woody7 :wash, scrub, repeat,just part of the "spin" cycle....this is why we are behind the curve. True. What is missing from most reporting are all the relative factors in the countries which make up these lists.
• Population (Sample size)
• Geographic size / Population density (Cost / Homes Past)
• Price / competition (Easier in highly dense areas)
• National Policies (Government broadband plan)
• Government subsidies (taxes funding infrastructure)
Here is a basic break down of some of the details:
»computer.howstuffworks.com/most-···rld1.htm | |
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| Not apples here. I like how they compare the US internationally to a lot of smaller countries. Its a lot easier for a small country to get 100% wired up for fiber than it is for a nation as vast as the USA. If they were to compare South Korea or Holland to say just New Jersey, how would that compare?
I have a hard time feeling that the USA is broadband crippled when I have access to FiOS, Cable Modems, DSL, and several Wireless technologies here in Maryland. If I head out a little further into the rural areas, I may just be limited to wireless or satellite, but I could still get online.
I just find it amusing that everyone complains about how ISPs aren't willing to spend $10k to trench fiber to someone's home in the sticks so that they can provide $40/mo internet service. Of course the way that technology has been evolving this would could be obsolete in a a decade anyway and would take over 20 years to just recover the cost.
The rural areas are only going to be covered by a next generation wireless technology. Any efforts to bring a "wired" solution to the rural community will only be eclipsed by that wireless tech once it becomes available. | |
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3 edits | Re: Not apples here. said by CycloneGT :I like how they compare the US internationally to a lot of smaller countries. Its a lot easier for a small country to get 100% wired up for fiber than it is for a nation as vast as the USA. If they were to compare South Korea or Holland to say just New Jersey, how would that compare? Can we stop with this BULL***T about "VAST COUNTRY" and other nonsensical, irrelevant crap, spread by industry corporatist shills?
New York City is NOT a vast area and it's the BIGGEST market yet our speeds ARE SLOWER THAN ANY EU city's.
Moreover according to the latest Census Burequ data OVER 80% OF AMERICANS LIVE IN LARGE METROPOLITAN AREAS - this immediately kills the BS fake arguments about "vast countries" and similar lies.
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I have a hard time feeling that the USA is broadband crippled when I have access to FiOS, Cable Modems, DSL, and several Wireless technologies here in Maryland. If I head out a little further into the rural areas, I may just be limited to wireless or satellite, but I could still get online.
But that's just because you can't see further than your backyard and probably have no clue about what's going on abroad.
THe fact that you are satisfied with your speeds does NOT change the fact that we are waaay behind the Western world, period.
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I just find it amusing that everyone complains about how ISPs aren't willing to spend $10k to trench fiber to someone's home in the sticks so that they can provide $40/mo internet service. Of course the way that technology has been evolving this would could be obsolete in a a decade anyway and would take over 20 years to just recover the cost.
Of course, these numbers are complete BS again: sticking with the most expensive of all (your example, FIOS) the numbers show it only costs $1,200 per subscriber - considering the AVERAGE 1000-1500% BANDWIDTH MARKUP that's rather a 2-year return, I bet.
Let me guess: you pulled these number out of your bottom part, right?
The rural areas are only going to be covered by a next generation wireless technology. Any efforts to bring a "wired" solution to the rural community will only be eclipsed by that wireless tech once it becomes available.
What an ignorant nonsense. Break down the greedy monopolies, the grasp of profit-only crooked corprations on the markets and there you go, you get broadband everywhere.
BTW for pointing out the cluelessness even further - you couldn't be more wrong about rurals and wireless: [b]countries with vast rural areas have FAR BETTER broadband, BUILT ON FTTH - look at Norway or Swedenfor example.
Homework for you (it's from last May but still relevant): Cold, dark countries whipping US in broadband usage @ Ars
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| Re: Not apples here. said by kamm :said by CycloneGT :I like how they compare the US internationally to a lot of smaller countries. Its a lot easier for a small country to get 100% wired up for fiber than it is for a nation as vast as the USA. If they were to compare South Korea or Holland to say just New Jersey, how would that compare? Can we stop with this BULL***T about "VAST COUNTRY" and other nonsensical, irrelevant crap, spread by industry corporatist shills?New York City is NOT a vast area and it's the BIGGEST market yet our speeds ARE SLOWER THAN ANY EU city's.Moreover according to the latest Census Burequ data OVER 80% OF AMERICANS LIVE IN LARGE METROPOLITAN AREAS - this immediately kills the BS fake arguments about "vast countries" and similar lies. quote:
I have a hard time feeling that the USA is broadband crippled when I have access to FiOS, Cable Modems, DSL, and several Wireless technologies here in Maryland. If I head out a little further into the rural areas, I may just be limited to wireless or satellite, but I could still get online.
But that's just because you can't see further than your backyard and probably have no clue about what's going on abroad. THe fact that you are satisfied with your speeds does NOT change the fact that we are waaay behind the Western world, period. quote:
I just find it amusing that everyone complains about how ISPs aren't willing to spend $10k to trench fiber to someone's home in the sticks so that they can provide $40/mo internet service. Of course the way that technology has been evolving this would could be obsolete in a a decade anyway and would take over 20 years to just recover the cost.
Of course, these numbers are complete BS again: sticking with the most expensive of all (your example, FIOS) the numbers show it only costs $1,200 per subscriber - considering the AVERAGE 1000-1500% BANDWIDTH MARKUP that's rather a 2-year return, I bet.Let me guess: you pulled these number out of your bottom part, right? The rural areas are only going to be covered by a next generation wireless technology. Any efforts to bring a "wired" solution to the rural community will only be eclipsed by that wireless tech once it becomes available.
What an ignorant nonsense. Break down the greedy monopolies, the grasp of profit-only crooked corprations on the markets and there you go, you get broadband everywhere.
BTW for pointing out the cluelessness even further - you couldn't be more wrong about rurals and wireless: [b]countries with vast rural areas have FAR BETTER broadband, BUILT ON FTTH - look at Norway or Swedenfor example.Homework for you (it's from last May but still relevant): Cold, dark countries whipping US in broadband usage @ Ars Some don't want to admit that the united states is behind the rest of the world. American get fed by the mouth about how their country is the greatest and others are behind us in technology
Americans don't realize that they are getting poorer while only few are getting richer. What good does it do us if bill gates is the only privilege few with 1gpbs connection while most of us crawl on crappy dsl and cable internet
If you say that few are more rich then the rest of the world in America then that is true but like most 3rd world country the American are no better off
Americans are completely brainwashed from birth LOL
They believe anything and are easily deceived by ancient copper thats has been here for over a century
The greedy corporation are lazy and they too represent lazy American.
We like to have faster connection but we like to get it through dsl or cable but distance is always an issue and copper has many problem too like limited bandwidth, slow no matter what you do with it or how much you try to squeeze into it using faster hardware.
Its too hard to change to fiber optic connection, too much work! | |
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| said by kamm :Of course, these numbers are complete BS again: sticking with the most expensive of all (your example, FIOS) the numbers show it only costs $1,200 per subscriber - considering the AVERAGE 1000-1500% BANDWIDTH MARKUP that's rather a 2-year return, I bet. You do realize that the $1,200/sub number is from their current deployments, right? FiOS has been primarily deployed to suburban and urban locations--those numbers increase greatly when you start talking about rural areas. | |
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2 edits | Re: Not apples here. said by probboy :said by kamm :Of course, these numbers are complete BS again: sticking with the most expensive of all (your example, FIOS) the numbers show it only costs $1,200 per subscriber - considering the AVERAGE 1000-1500% BANDWIDTH MARKUP that's rather a 2-year return, I bet. You do realize that the $1,200/sub number is from their current deployments, right? FiOS has been primarily deployed to suburban and urban locations--those numbers increase greatly when you start talking about rural areas. It's across the board: 23B didived by 19M subs, without NYC - in other words rural deployments are easily covered by large metropolitan areas.
And yes, this is the answer to rural deployments - not slow-@ss little ISPs with jacked-up price as they try to recover their costs over 10 years.
WISPs' only shot to keep FTTH-based big guys honest - that's important, of course, no question about it (WISP's cost is well below $100 per sub, hehe.).
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| Re: Not apples here. OK, using publicly available information, with a citation, please tell me one rural area where Verizon sells FiOS. By rural, I mean a place where we are talking single digit numbers of houses per mile of road (I'm using the east coast definition of rural--I'm sure some of our friends out west would think that's downright urban  )--places that ever cable doesn't service because it isn't economically feasible.
I'll wait...
...give up? That's because they haven't deployed FiOS anywhere remotely considered rural--and they never will (witness the sale of Verizon's VT/NH/ME business to FairPoint). | |
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| Re: Not apples here. said by probboy :OK, using publicly available information, with a citation, please tell me one rural area where Verizon sells FiOS. By rural, I mean a place where we are talking single digit numbers of houses per mile of road (I'm using the east coast definition of rural--I'm sure some of our friends out west would think that's downright urban )--places that ever cable doesn't service because it isn't economically feasible. I'll wait... ...give up? That's because they haven't deployed FiOS anywhere remotely considered rural--and they never will (witness the sale of Verizon's VT/NH/ME business to FairPoint). I don't really see what are you challenging... did you understand my point actually?
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Not rural by your definition, but they are considered small and a bit out of the way... | |
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| If I had known that you were going to get so emotional I would have brought some Kleenex and perhaps some pampers to keep you dry.
You might get some millage with like minded tools when you rant about "greedy monopolies" and "crooked corporations", but in the end no one is going to dump billions of dollars on rural broadband with a wired technology because they know that they would lose their shirts doing so.
Perhaps you can form a Saintly non-profit Broadband company to bring Fiber to the un-served masses. I would however expect the likes of you to consider the "rural population" to be idiot, racist, redneck, red-staters who aren't worth the effort. | |
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| said by CycloneGT :I just find it amusing that everyone complains about how ISPs aren't willing to spend $10k to trench fiber to someone's home in the sticks so that they can provide $40/mo internet service. Depending on who you talk to, you will get two of the reasons below around this debate:
• Greedy Corporations
• Corrupt Politicians
• Entitled Population
All of which are partially true IMHO. | |
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| said by CycloneGT :I like how they compare the US internationally to a lot of smaller countries. Its a lot easier for a small country to get 100% wired up for fiber than it is for a nation as vast as the USA. If they were to compare South Korea or Holland to say just New Jersey, how would that compare? On the other hand, if you would compare the entire EU to the United States, I'm afraid that the EU would still beat us in connectivity.
Granted, the EU has been expanded with some countries that aren't connected as well (Romania, Bulgaria, etc) but if you leave the post-2007 expansion out of it, the "old" EU still has well over 350 million residents, and overall is better connected for a cheaper price.
I think the biggest difference is that ISP's in the EU are heavily regulated, whereas in the US they are not. | |
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2 edits | Re: Not apples here. said by maartena :said by CycloneGT :I like how they compare the US internationally to a lot of smaller countries. Its a lot easier for a small country to get 100% wired up for fiber than it is for a nation as vast as the USA. If they were to compare South Korea or Holland to say just New Jersey, how would that compare? On the other hand, if you would compare the entire EU to the United States, I'm afraid that the EU would still beat us in connectivity. Granted, the EU has been expanded with some countries that aren't connected as well (Romania, Bulgaria, etc) but if you leave the post-2007 expansion out of it, the "old" EU still has well over 350 million residents, and overall is better connected for a cheaper price. Actually you'd be foolish to leave the new countries out of it or at least some of them: Hungary's or Czech's infrastructure is top-notch when it comes to broadband, especially mobile broadband (for example HSDPA, which is still only exists in printed AT&T marketing crap, is long available in every city in Hungary, with multi-megabit speeds.)
It's not an accident that latest 4G LTE tests were conducted by Verizon were mostly held in Budapest, Madrid and Düsseldorf.
My bro back in Budapest upgraded his DSL to an open ended (15Mb/s was guaranteed, up to 20Mbit depending on his distance) ADSL2+ connection in 2006 and that's when it was launched across the entire market, not some early deployment.
Ironically these countries' advantage was their former disadvantage: with the large influx of Western capital in the early 90s their archaic 80s infrastructure (phone and data networks) were quickly replaced with the latest technologies in the 90s so they are reaping their rewards of their long 'tech-starved' decades now...
BTW by today the Hungarian telecom giant - owned by Deutsche Telekom, of course, who else? - pretty much swallowed most of the surrounding countries' telecoms (much like MOL, the Hungarian oil company did with surrounding oil/gas companies and refineries etc.)
I think the biggest difference is that ISP's in the EU are heavily regulated, whereas in the US they are not.
Correct. However apparently they work better than our corrupt, crooked, quasi-monopoly-based "market" which these rotten monopolies dare to call "free market" with straight face...
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| "I have a hard time feeling that the USA is broadband crippled when I have access to FiOS, Cable Modems, DSL, and several Wireless technologies here in Maryland. If I head out a little further into the rural areas, I may just be limited to wireless or satellite, but I could still get online."
Then you are statistically right up there with that one person who wins Powerball and doesn't understand why others didn't win also... 
I live in the heart of Montgomery Village and I can get Comcast, satellite with hideous latency or dial-up (though I haven't looked too deeply into Xohm). Fios won't be anywhere near my area for at least a year and a half and no DSL provider will hook me up because I'm just a hair too far from the CO. | |
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| said by CycloneGT :I like how they compare the US internationally to a lot of smaller countries. Its a lot easier for a small country to get 100% wired up for fiber than it is for a nation as vast as the USA. If they were to compare South Korea or Holland to say just New Jersey, how would that compare? Ok Japan is the size of Montana and MUCH larger than RI which has TWICE the poulation density of Japan. yet somehow RI average speed is 7 Mbps compared to Japan's what 100 Mbps? Enough with the excuses. | |
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| WTH!? *BUSTS UP LAUGHING*
So.. SMS is considered Broadband.. Damn.. I guess the new Broadband is.. Dialup.. Who would've thunk it.
Plus.. Consider what some companies think what Broadband is. Most think it's *ANYTHING* above 56k, meaning they can get away with a 128k link and call it "Broadband".
I think the absolute minimum cap for it to be called "Broadband" is 1mbps down *AND* up, not 1mbps down *AND* 56k (or anything less than 1mbps) up.
Anything between 56k and 1mbps would be considered "LiteBand" and still wouldn't be considered "Broadband".
I hope something like this does happen, but who really knows. | |
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| Re: WTH!? Of course laying that much Fiber would be sweet, but I doubt everyone would be willing to pull it off.
For now, we have our Coaxial Cable lines and our (old as hell) twisted pair lines.
At least Coax can support faster speeds. The Telcos are trying their best to push as much as they can with old technology and they scratch their heads when it backfires on them.
I think the Telcos should lay Fiber and ditch their copper pairs.
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| Who cares? Why do we need to be "#1"? (at taxpayer expense, of course)
Please, someone, show us what the "killer app" is that needs so much speed, that will yield us greater employment or industry growth.
Show us why anyone on the farm "needs" more than 56K digital service.
If your only argument is you don't like paying $80 a month for 512KB service, well, sorry - I don't cherish paying municipal sewer and trash rates; are you going to subsidize my bill? | |
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| Funny part is that #19 is likely lower... ...if we look at real subscriber speeds as in many EU countries the advertised speed is NOT the fastest available nor the average but the cheapest priced.
In fact if we would consider price parity then US would be somewhere close to the bottom of the barrel with its speeds.
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Chicago, IL | Re: Funny part is that #19 is likely lower... Funny part is that if you go to speedtest.net, and check the actual recorded speeds by country, you'll find that we compare well with other major western countries. Japan and SK are faster, but not so with the UK, france, germany, etc. | |
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| Re: Funny part is that #19 is likely lower... said by johnh123 :Funny part is that if you go to speedtest.net, and check the actual recorded speeds by country, you'll find that we compare well with other major western countries. Japan and SK are faster, but not so with the UK, france, germany, etc. Well, using speedtest.net is anything but a statistically plausible sampling method - not even close - so I wouldn't take it seriously, not even with a giant grain of salt.
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Pleasant Hill, MO
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| Ok we are all thinking it.. WTF! WTF! Ok, so huh?v I don't care if we are #1 or *insert # here*, 1g of speed is no good if you have no use for it, like wise 1m of speed is no good if it not enough, that being said 10m down and 1-2m up would be perfect for me, but other may need more and some may need less. Also keep in mind it is harder to connect a country as big as we are than it is one the size of Japan.
I live in a rural area, and get 512down and 128up for $45 a month and am happy to have it, but I would rather have 10m down and 1-2m up for a similar price. | |
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gawdamsploicers
@suddenlink.net
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| Re: Ok we are all thinking it.. WTF! said by me1212 :WTF! Ok, so huh?v I don't care if we are #1 or *insert # here*, 1g of speed is no good if you have no use for it, like wise 1m of speed is no good if it not enough, that being said 10m down and 1-2m up would be perfect for me, but other may need more and some may need less. Also keep in mind it is harder to connect a country as big as we are than it is one the size of Japan. Again with the uneducated parroting of the corporate line. Not even our largest, richest metropolises have the cheap connections that your red kneck farmer hick counter part has in japan... or korea... or bumfuckistan europe.
You can't think of a use for a 1 gig connection? Great! More money then brains, that's what we like to see here in corporate America. Enjoy your capped, slow, expencive connection that is only reliable for checking emails. | |
| | | me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
·VOIPo
| Re: Ok we are all thinking it.. WTF! Thats not what I meant, I meant that many people don't need that much, as long as we have enough thats all that matters. I would love 1g at $50 or so a month, but I would never use that much 20m at most.
What I'm trying to say is Skrew the #s, ether do something about it or don't. If we don't stop wineing and do something nothing will get done.
And before some1 says "then start ur own ISP", I plan to. | |
| jtackett
join:2000-11-02
Atlanta, GA | Homer Simpson once said, "Facts are meaningless. They can be used to prove anything." | |
| Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | New york times... what are you smoking I still don't think we are number one. | |
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benc
Premium
join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL
·Charter Pipeline
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Callcentric
·AT&T Midwest
| Ha Ha Ha Ha What a load of bull.
So somehow, we're supposedly not doing too badly because of SMS, and wireless voice minutes? And consumer software spending? What?!
Regardless of whether one has a mobile phone, or if one uses SMS messages on his mobile phone, it has zero impact on the speed of his Internet connection at home.
My connection at home is 10/1, at a cost of $120. That's for "business class" Internet, which in my mind is truly free (as in freedom) connectivity. I'm free to run servers, no port restrictions, and so on, allowing me to use the Internet in ways that most people can't. So while I may not have a mobile phone, I'm in a better position to really use the Internet.
That's just one factor that the study doesn't take into account. It doesn't seem to take into account caps, if there are any. Caps are serious because it can impact the use of video.
Anyway...take a look at the following web page, and look at the picture.
»www.connectivityscorecard.org/co···_america
Look at the part about "Consumer Infrastructure." Notice anything?
Software spending is another thing that's flawed. So because I use Linux on my server/router, which is free (both as in beer and as in freedom), instead of Windows Server 2008 I'm hurting the metric? That really doesn't make any sense. | |
| Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| Buying software? If the majority of people in a country are smart enough to use open source software rather than pay for proprietary software, how does that make them less "pro broadband"? I would think that it would actually indicate the exact opposite. The less a country spends on software the MORE they are tied into the internet community. | |
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Wireless Voice = Broadband?