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| Re: boxes said by kash  :stick one in my backyard give me an unmeterd, un restricted connection and i'll be the happiest camper alive! How about if they stick one in your backyard and give you the same exact rates as everyone else? Would you still be the happiest camper alive? | |
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| said by kash :stick one in my backyard give me an unmeterd, un restricted connection and i'll be the happiest camper alive! I'll be a happier camper if at&t stick it in your front yard, give me me unrestricted connection and disqualify you from the service. | |
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clubs: | Underground Why can't they bury those things in a pit and put a cover over it? They really are ugly. | |
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| Re: Underground said by rudnicke :Why can't they bury those things in a pit and put a cover over it? They really are ugly. Simple... $$$$$$$ 
An underground Vault would many times more expensive.
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| said by rudnicke :Why can't they bury those things in a pit and put a cover over it? They really are ugly. Reliability. Seems underground vaults flood in natural disasters, something about water flowing downhill and such, not sure of the specifics.
Anyway, the result is just when the need for reliable communications is at it's highest during a natural disaster, the system goes TU. Happened in Houston a few years back. | |
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Winter Park, FL | mmmm zomg! No progressing technology! It's ugly don't use it!
hmmm how about they plant some shrubs around it.
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| Re: mmmm NIMBY! NIMFY either!
The Embarq remote terminal I'm hooked up to looks roughly like that but wider, no one complains that I've heard.
Shrubs is a fine idea although you could only block three sides.
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Huh? What?
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| Re: mmmm Spoken like someone who doesn't have one in front of their house. You don't have a right to fast internet at the expense of someone else's property values.
You people are acting like having something ugly and having nothing at all are the only choices. They're not. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. These companies don't have to be such a**holes about this.
Around here the boxes are going in fairly unobtrusive locations, and some of the equipment is going underground. A little coordination at the local level is all that would be required. There is no reason that the local communities should not be able to have a say in this.
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Rockford, IL | Or... build some type of enclosure to cover it depending where it is, keep it tasteful. | |
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| Re: Or... The far and away majority are put in out of the way places or fenced in. But Chicago politicians just want more graft from ATT so they'll rail on them. They have more money than homeless people and less local political power than developers (both of which are far greater at ruining the scenery. | |
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Covington, LA | Re: Or... Either way...the point about their demands and purity of interests remain. | |
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Think about IT These companies that you talk about don't work without connecting to At&t at some point to get you to the internet.
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Huh? What?
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| I agree with you. Most of them here are in pretty unubtrusive places. But as far as I'm concerned, that just gives the companies less reason to object to finding reasonable alternatives to the troublesome placements.
If the company could wire the whole city up and only had to place ONE of these big-ass ugly boxes in someone's front yard, I still think that person should be compensated for the decrease in their property value (either cash or free service to the premises regardless of owner) or have the opportunity to decline.
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Covington, LA | Re: Or... AT&T pays for it's land. Quite well too. | |
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Huh? What?
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clubs: | Not when it's throwing these boxes in front of people's houses in public right-of-way, which is the issue at hand.
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Covington, LA | Re: Or... The right of way requires a large space to place one. They're not squeezing these into 2ft wide routes. Almost every place I've seen them placed has been purchased land. | |
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Huh? What?
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| Re: Or... That's complete bollocks.
Easements around here are about 6-8 feet wide, sometimes more.
AT&T is not purchasing land for each of those boxes. Ain't happening. If you think it would be expensive for 6hem to bury, they could NEVER do it if they had to buy each little piece of land.
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Morgan City, LA | Mask them Why cant they mask them like cell phone companys have done with cell towers.
Search "stealth cell towers" in google pictures to see what I mean.
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| Re: Mask them said by r81984 :Why cant they mask them like cell phone companys have done with cell towers. Search "stealth cell towers" in google pictures to see what I mean. Cell phone companies don't do that on most towers. The few that you see when you search "stealth cell towers" are VERY expensive to put up vs. the normal tower. | |
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| and they look worse then the normal towers. the fake tree ones are so horridly ugly and dont fool anyone.
people who dont want cell towers need to be flogged because they complain about no service yet protest towers.
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join:2003-11-11
Charlestown, IN | Camouflage Maybe they should paint the a camouflage scheme and the people won't be able to see them.;) That or maybe they should paint them blaze orange or hot pink for a while. After that, people won't be bitching about the dull gray ones. | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: Camouflage LOL. The VRAD near here is starting to look like that after tagged and repainted a number of times.
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Too funny... West Chicago has a LOT more serious problems that are decreasing property values -- try illegal aliens living 12 to a house and driving around without insurance flying Mexican flags (year round!) and blaring music out of their cars. | |
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| Re: Too funny... said by jester121 :West Chicago has a LOT more serious problems that are decreasing property values -- try illegal aliens living 12 to a house and driving around without insurance flying Mexican flags (year round!) and blaring music out of their cars. It's odd that you think that. I know for a fact that West Chicago is the fastest growing community in DuPage and one of the fastest growing in Illinois. Property values have been going up like crazy. There is a reason developers chose West Chicago for the RTP-like DuPage Technology Park...and government and industry have been flocking to it!
In all my years of living and working there and around there, I've never noticed the large numbers of illegal immigrants, Mexican flags or insurance-less drivers you mention. I also don't hear the blaring music very often.
We take much pride in our diversity and find the monochromatic population in your neck of the woods rather clique-ish and, well, boring.
The community is vibrant...people still leave their homes and talk to their neighbors...walk to the parks and shops instead of driving the Lexus SUV to the nearest of the dozen starbucks!
The town is close to Chicago, other major cities, shopping, job centers, highways, parks, schools, places of worship etc.
The Illinois prairie path weaves through town, there is a train station and a history museum....the City has partnered with developers to re-invigorate the downtown area.
Crime rate is one of the lowest in the area. There's also that Airport...the third busiest in Illinois after ORD and MDW.
Sure there are Mexican flags...and Irish and Italian and many others. There is even a Mexican independence day parade...but also a 4th of July one.
We also have real Mexican food, not just Taco Bell....but my favorite is this little Italian joint downtown where you can feed a family for $20.
I can see why you're so upset though...our way of life is much different than yours in Lake Zurich or Lake County at large...where people have isolated and insulated themselves in their million dollar homes...gotten away from their fellow man...hell, Long Grove doesn't even have street addresses for added privacy. Plus you guys have the worst case of NIMBY ever...there are no highways because no one wants them close to their McMansion....so there are constant traffic jams as all the roads leading anywhere in and out of your area are small 2 lane county roads.
No Thanks.
I'll take my Mexican flags and immigrants over your whitewashed racist neighborhood any day.
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Naperville, IL | Re: Too funny... What Jester is saying is partly true. But, remember the history of West Chicago. The Campbell's Company attracted a lot of migrant labor. 50 years later, and there are still some effects of that. | |
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DJ_Kismuth
join:2001-11-25
Chicago, IL
| UGLY Those things are ugly, hopefully they'll be vandalized.
Even worse is these boxes are providing an OBSOLETE technology! DSL sucks compared to cable and FIOS. Why do DSL ISPs use PPPoE? It's so annoying and only creates more potential problems.
My cable connection is 2 to 3 times faster than any DSL product, and I don't have any nasty ugly looking boxes near my home.
If those boxes were for something worthwhile like FTTH, then that's a different story. | |
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| Re: UGLY said by DJ_Kismuth :Those things are ugly, hopefully they'll be vandalized. I would do it if it was in my yard.
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Stardust We Are
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| Re: UGLY said by MysticGogeta :said by DJ_Kismuth :Those things are ugly, hopefully they'll be vandalized. I would do it if it was in my yard. Knowing att they most likely put up a camera to watch it to   .
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join:2001-12-04
Saint Peters, MO
| Ameritech/SBC/PacBell/SNET (Now are pretty much AT&T) decided to use PPPoE when they were debating about making sure only one person could use DSL at a time (back when the big wigs learned that hubs were the only thing affordable for multiple computers and never even heard about routers, go figure!) and wanted to charge extra money for multiple connections..
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| Re: UGLY I'd really like to know where you got this one, since I can log on more than once with my ID have always been able to do so and can log on with sub IDs.
Many times I've gone to setup DSL for someone and used my ID to connect while we went through the online setup and even connected to my house. PPPOE wasn't intended to keep only one person connected. | |
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join:2003-03-28
Willoughby, OH | wow this shows how much society has fallen and why being american makes me sick. getting bent out of shape over a box...seriously people. are we that materialistic? you arent your white picket fence. | |
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sameshtdd
join:2006-01-04
Teaneck, NJ
| Largest single investment For the vast vast majority of americans, their home is the single largest purchase they will ever make.
Having someone that damages the value of the single most valulable assest a person can on would make anybody mad.
If AT&T put one of those boxes on my front lawn and the value of my home went down 20-30k for example, I'd be pissed! | |
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| Re: Largest single investment said by sameshtdd :If AT&T put one of those boxes on my front lawn and the value of my home went down 20-30k for example, I'd be pissed! Except the value of the property is likely to increase.
Might want to do a little research on what determines the value of a piece of real estate. It's location, location, and location.
What school district, how much crime in an area, the tax rates, what services are available, etc.
Properties that have more services available are more valuable than those that don't. Ask any real estate appraiser. | |
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join:2006-01-04
Teaneck, NJ
| Re: Largest single investment Umm, I'm quite aware of what causes property values to rise. However, like living next to an electrical substation, having a large VRAD box that would bring on vandalism, property eyesore, even if it means higher speed services, will lower your property value compared to if it was not there (all other factors, such as schools, property size and services being equal).
The value added from higher speed services is not going to be that much higher if everybody in your area has the same service (thus this is not differentating factor) but the fact you have a huge obtrusive box on your front lawn while your neighbors don't, IS a differentating factor, and a negative one at that. | |
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| Re: Largest single investment said by sameshtdd :Umm, I'm quite aware of what causes property values to rise. However, like living next to an electrical substation, having a large VRAD box that would bring on vandalism, I'll agree, if you have vandals running around the neighborhood tagging stuff that would decrease property values.
The question is were the vandals already there, and the VRAD is a target of opportunity, or are there roving packs of vandals traveling from area to area that are attracted by the VRAD.
If the VRAD actually attracts vandals from great distances, then the graffiti argument is valid. But I'd like to see some studies on how far vandals are traveling to tag a VRAD, and what mechanism the VRAD uses to attract them. Pheromones maybe?
said by sameshtdd : property eyesore, even if it means higher speed services, will lower your property value compared to if it was not there (all other factors, such as schools, property size and services being equal). The value added from higher speed services is not going to be that much higher if everybody in your area has the same service (thus this is not differentating factor) but the fact you have a huge obtrusive box on your front lawn while your neighbors don't, IS a differentating factor, and a negative one at that. In other words, all the homes served by the equipment will increase in value, but the one with the VRAD won't increase as much as the others? Okay, I'll buy that. Around these parts, the VRADs are going in places that already have existing cross-boxes. The negative effect of that on the value of the property should already have been factored in long ago.
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL | Re: Largest single investment Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about people on the other side of the divide if/when it comes to some morons plunking down a piece of stinking crap on my front law. | |
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join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
| Property Value Does anybody know the formula for determining a property's value? Or is it top-secret like the IRS's formula for picking who they're gonna audit.
I'm tired of hearing about how things lower property value when nobody who says that knows the actual formula. | |
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join:2000-12-17
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| Re: Property Value Pretty silly comment. Think about it in an easy way. Big metal box in your from yard. How many potential buyers are going to drive by and think, "Hmmm, I think I like that house better than the others, dear, it has a big metal box in the front yard." Probably a lot fewer than those people that drive by and say, "WTF is that thing and why is that there?"
I've done tons of real estate closings, and the complaints I hear and the discounts people want for things a lot less obtrusive than these hulking pillars of steel, is remarkable. | |
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join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Re: Property Value Well I meant a specific monetary value. Of course having a box in its front yard is gonna make a house less desirable to live in. But how much is an ugly box in a front yard worth in the minus column on an appraisal form? | |
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
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| Re: Property Value It may not figure into the appraisal column, but the effets are felt when the number of potential buyers decreases by even 1 or 2.
In Illinois, I don't think you'd see a neg on the home value because of the box. The appraisal sheets are pretty formulaic. But, I'd think the tangible difference would be in the number of offers, or competition for the house.
In this market, anything that impacts marketability will hurt a home's value. | |
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Have You Played Atari Today?
join:2001-12-01
Cleveland, OH | Lowering property values in... Cleveland?! They have got to be kidding. Cleveland is an urban shit hole, even the Mayor won't live here.
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| Aye! This argument is getting old and going no where, I can just take stock in the fact that west of chicago is the city of Oak Lawn, and they seem to have no problems with VRADS the one that should be serving me has been in place for a while now.
As for the unselfesh thoughts I don't really know what to think about this, I think its absurd to vigorsly fight against this. I'd like to see actual trails and stuides that show the lower property value.
Maybe having the owners asking for settelemtns of lost value.
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