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West VirginiaWest Virginia is probably a difficult state to wire, with its mountainous terrain. Wireless would probably be even harder. | |
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Re: West Virginiasaid by pinot noir6:West Virginia is probably a difficult state to wire, with its mountainous terrain. Wireless would probably be even harder. Amazingly, they have a modern convenience called "Telephone Poles" that border most of the roads there. These modern conveniences have been scientifically shown to be very effective when deploying telecommunications infrastructure upgrades. On the other hand, many areas of WV have the triple whammy going against them: low population density, remarkably aged infrastructure and low per capita income. A red-liner's paradise. | |
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2007-May-1 11:55 am
Re: West Virginiasaid by TScheisskopf:On the other hand, many areas of WV have the triple whammy going against them: low population density, remarkably aged infrastructure and low per capita income. A red-liner's paradise. They all can get POTS at an affordable price. How did the government manage that? | |
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Re: West Virginiasaid by batterup:said by TScheisskopf:On the other hand, many areas of WV have the triple whammy going against them: low population density, remarkably aged infrastructure and low per capita income. A red-liner's paradise. They all can get POTS at an affordable price. How did the government manage that? That rural telephone program. | |
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2007-May-1 12:01 pm
Re: West Virginiasaid by TScheisskopf:said by batterup:said by TScheisskopf:On the other hand, many areas of WV have the triple whammy going against them: low population density, remarkably aged infrastructure and low per capita income. A red-liner's paradise. They all can get POTS at an affordable price. How did the government manage that? That rural telephone program. Before divestiture The Phone Company didn't use the USF. | |
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Re: West Virginiasaid by batterup:Before divestiture The Phone Company didn't use the USF. Uh, sure it did. Just not as an explicit federal tax. Before divestiture, Ma Bell and the Independents had a kludgey system called Separations and Settlements, in which toll revenues were divided between AT&T Long Lines and the LECs at either end of a call based upon a complex set of formulas. The last ones used were called the Ozark Plan, which based the LECs' share upon relative investment in plant. Plus it weighted interstate calls at (eventually) about 3.2 times a local call, when determining what share of the local loop's usage was interstate. That share (PIU) times the multiple (SPF) was compared with the local usage, and the LD share of common, fixed costs was covered out of toll revenues. The bottom line was that a high-cost rural telco could collect more than 100% of the toll charge, just for its end of the call. This didn't work with LD competition so the system of Switched Access Charges was ordered as a replacement. Divestiture happened to occur around then, so the effective date was set to be the same. That was actually a coincidence. TA96 says that subsidies (USF) are supposed to be explicit and portable, but that's often honored in the breach. | |
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2007-May-2 12:43 am
Re: West VirginiaBefore divesture Ma Bell was long distance and the ILEC and every thing else. A company operating with its own funds. Universal service at an affordable price.
Of course it is much better now just as MCI/WorldCom promised. | |
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2007-May-1 10:00 am
Riiiiight.....Cisco is not selling a product or competing with current broadband providers, Schafer said, but rather lending its expertise to the state. I don't know how much WV's bill to map broadband access would have cost the state, but it might have been nice to have those results. I find it very difficult to believe that Cisco will map out the state and provide a way-ahead with no strings attached and no monetary benefit to the company. I wonder when Cisco will expect that return of favor? | |
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2007-May-1 10:35 am
Re: Riiiiight.....knowing cisco, bizarre sex. | |
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2007-May-1 10:49 am
Re: Riiiiight.....HAHAHAHAHA wow. | |
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Re: Riiiiight.....The Baby Bells have a long history of using their equipment vendors to lobby for them. I have little doubt that possible VZ purchases of Cisco equipment were mentioned in the same conversations that covered VZ's desire to kill this bill.
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CiscoYou do know the founder of Cisco is from WV right? | |
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2007-May-1 11:15 am
Re: CiscoI'm still waiting for the inbreeding jokes ... -- Here kitty kitty ... | |
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2007-May-1 12:52 pm
Re: Cisco How about this- I heard on radio yesterday(seriously) that WV has the highest # of toothless people in US. | |
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2007-May-1 11:22 am
Add it to the list....I expect we'll see the "Robert C. Byrd Broadband Network" in WV added to the following list:
Robert C. Byrd Academic and Technology Center at Marshall University, Huntington Robert C. Byrd Addition to the Lodge at Oglebay Park, Wheeling Robert C. Byrd Appalachian Highway System part of the Appalachian Development Highway System Robert C. Byrd Auditorium at the National Conservation Training Center, Shepherdstown Robert C. Byrd Biotechnology Science Center at Marshall University, Huntington Robert C. Byrd Bridge, between Huntington and Chesapeake, Ohio Robert C. Byrd Cancer Research Laboratory of West Virginia University, Morgantown Robert C. Byrd Center for Legislative Studies at Shepherd University, Shepherdstown Robert C. Byrd Center for Pharmacy Education at the University of Charleston, Charleston Robert C. Byrd Clinic at the West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine, Lewisburg Robert C. Byrd Clinical Addition to Veteran's Hospital, Huntington Robert C. Byrd Community Center, Pine Grove Robert C. Byrd Conference Center at Davis and Elkins College, Elkins Robert C. Byrd Drive, from Beckley to Sophia (Byrd's hometown) Robert C. Byrd Expressway, U.S. Highway 22, near Weirton Robert C. Byrd Federal Building & Courthouse, Beckley Robert C. Byrd Federal Building & Courthouse, Charleston Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope, Green Bank Robert C. Byrd Hardwood Technologies Center, Princeton Robert C. Byrd Health and Wellness Center of Bethany College, Bethany Robert C. Byrd Health Sciences Center of West Virginia University, Morgantown Robert C. Byrd High School, Clarksburg Robert C. Byrd Hilltop Office Complex, Rocket Center Erma Ora Byrd Conference & Learning Center Robert C. Byrd Industrial Park, Moorefield Robert C. Byrd Institute for Advanced Flexible Manufacturing; Huntington, Charleston, Bridgeport & Rocket Center Robert C. Byrd Intermodal Transportation Center (and Parking Garage), Wheeling Robert C. Byrd Library & Robert C. Byrd Learning Resource Center at Mountain State University, Beckley Robert C. Byrd Locks & Dam, Gallipolis Ferry Robert C. Byrd Metals Fabrication Center, Rocket Center Robert C. Byrd National Aerospace Education Center, Bridgeport Robert C. Byrd National Technology Transfer Center at Wheeling Jesuit University, Wheeling Robert C. Byrd Rural Health Center at Marshall University, Huntington Robert C. Byrd Science and Technology Center at Shepherd University, Shepherdstown Robert C. Byrd Technology Center at Alderson-Broaddus College, Philippi Robert C. Byrd United Technical Center Robert C. Byrd Visitor Center at Harpers Ferry National Historical Park, Harpers Ferry (For Byrd's Wife) Erma Ora Byrd Center for Educational Technologies at Wheeling Jesuit University, Wheeling Robert C. Byrd Rooms in the Capitol Building (the office of the Senate Minority Leader) | |
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Re: Add it to the list....He is a shameless porker. A lot of those projects were federal funds as well that you and I pay taxes for regardless if we live in that state. | |
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No mention of the Robert C Byrd KKK Museum, or the Robert C Byrd Memorial Lynchin' Tree, or the Robert C Byrd White Hood Factory, or the Robert C Byrd Cross Burning Vocational Tech Institute ??? » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ro ··· lux_Klan | |
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2007-May-1 11:26 am
Reading the aritcle from the Huntington Paper"Kyle Schafer, the state's chief technology officer, said the plan will tackle how to build up the infrastructure necessary for broadband, how to get more Internet subscribers connected and how to link schools and homes using the technology."
This is speakeze for we don't know how we will do this. Kyle is nice person but with the WV state government involved it will not happen. | |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium Member join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ |
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2007-May-1 11:53 am
Do you want the government controlling your interweb?Read some of the posts about government supported or supplied broadband and you will not want it.
There was a time when affordable communication was available to all. Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. | |
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| scrummie02Bentley Premium Member join:2004-04-16 Arlington, VA |
Re: Do you want the government controlling your interweb?With all of the "privacy" advocates here as well, I'd think a state run broadband plan would be the last thing they would want. Think the government taps lines now... | |
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2007-May-1 12:44 pm
Re: Do you want the government controlling your interweb?But the people here on BBR want privacy and 100/100 Mbps service for $19.95/mth Besides, most people "advocating" something have no idea of what they are speaking out about. They read the headline, drink the Kool-Aid, and fall in line to demand that the govt regulate and/or compete against corporate America to save the poor and tax the hell out of the wealthy. | |
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You're kidding, right?
The price of phones services has fallen so much since Bell was shattered, and even more with the advent of digital communication. If Bell still ran things, your phone bill would be hundreds per month, long distance would still be insanely expensive, and you would still have a phone company owned rotary dial behemoth of a phone.
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2007-May-1 12:27 pm
Not perfect but not terrible....If any of you have a great, affordable solution to wiring rural areas, speak up. But make sure you have all the facts. There is actually quite a bit of broadband here. 77% access and growing. Every wire center has DSL -- including many very, very small mountain communities -- and there are several hundred remote locations with DSL. The issue is not Verizon or the cable guys -- they are opposed only to government telecom overlaying existing areas, undermining them and NOT taking care of rural folks or the unserved. Government will have to help where incumbents or others cannot make BB work, and we have plenty. This is THE most rural state in the US. Distances are enormous for wireline and wireless can be impossible in mountain valleys. Add to that 48th per capita income, and that 43% do not own computers, and it is tough to find workable solutions. Cisco is welcomed. All solutions that help are welcomed. Not going to happen without all of us working on it | |
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2007-May-1 1:11 pm
Re: Not perfect but not terrible....I would think Montana is a little more Rural. At least you have states NEXT to you that have those city things.. | |
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Whatever happened to the idea of using stationary blimps or balloons to provide the signal. High enough up they should be able to provide bandwidth of some sort to all sorts of mountainous terrain.
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I live in Weirton, W.V. in the northern panhandle of the state. We have cable, dsl and wireless available to us. The cities always make out better than rural areas. | |
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2007-May-1 4:27 pm
Re: Not perfect but not terrible....And Weirton has no employment either. People live in Weirton and work in Pittsburgh. | |
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TechieZeroTools Are Using Me Premium Member join:2002-01-25 Lithia, FL |
Telco BashingWhats with all this Telco bashing lately? Cable companies trying to win the dirty way?
I am sure like everything else, this is MARKET DRIVEN. People don't want to pay for it and/or no one wants to spend the money to wire it. | |
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2010 yeah rightAnd how exactly does a state wire itself for broadband unless its Muni something, or the plan is Interest Free Loan and Grants to Verizon? | |
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McLovinChicka chicka yeah Premium Member join:2005-06-12 Fairbanks, AK |
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2007-May-2 2:44 am
List?Where is this list of broadband saturation, I would like to see this. | |
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