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(old news - 09:42AM Friday Dec 21 2007)
tags: Fiber · business · telco · install · trouble · Verizon FIOS
This blogger tracks a particularly painful FiOS install (or lack thereof, as the case may be). After ordering last November, the company never called to schedule an install. When he calls to see what was going on, he was informed they'd lost his order and he'd have to place another. He declines. Verizon then proceeds to start digging up his lawn anyway. Soon afterwards they disconnect his Comcast TV service and his phone line. He's subsequently been without telephone service for seventy-two hours while he tries to sort the whole mess out with big red.

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andyross

join:2003-05-04
Schaumburg, IL

When FiOS Attacks!

What would give Verizon the rights to disconnect the service of another company??

gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA

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December 21st, @10:03AM

Re: When FiOS Attacks!

Its not a right, its the Law of Exploitation.

"Exploit early, and often."
ossito16

join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
I say lets start a new thread, 'When lawyers attack!'
madrhino

join:2004-07-03
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast

said by andyross See Profile :

What would give Verizon the rights to disconnect the service of another company??
Blanket immunity from Congress

danclan

join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
·Verizon FIOS


edit:
December 21st, @10:10AM

they would have to disconnect his cable from theirs to connect theirs...his order allows that to happen.

But since this isnt a shock that a company "lost" an order but really hadnt i'm wondering what the news is hear? Comcast does this, ATT does this. Verizon does this.

So again this is news how? or why? Bad things happen. No company is perfect.

The real question is how did/do they resolve the issue to the customer.

Oh and this isn't Slamming so he can just get over that
NY Tel
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Re: When FiOS Attacks!

Yeah, the guy who wrote the blog REFUSED to accept 3 calls from Verizon (It is in the blog) after this process started. As far as I am concerned, he is part of the problem and should have taken those calls. How does he know those calls would not have resolved the whole issue?
I am sick of people behaving like professional "victims" all the time.
majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY

Re: When FiOS Attacks!

That doesnt matter that gives them no right to rip out his cable and take over vonages phone service when he tol;d them not to. So you are saying I can come over to your house cut you verizon service out and replace it with cabelvision and you cant do a darn thing to me?

That is just plain stupid.
NY Tel
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Re: When FiOS Attacks!

said by majortom1029 See Profile :

That doesnt matter that gives them no right to rip out his cable and take over vonages phone service when he tol;d them not to. So you are saying I can come over to your house cut you verizon service out and replace it with cabelvision and you cant do a darn thing to me?

That is just plain stupid.
Perhaps you don't see it but if you read his blog, he had the opportunity to take 3 calls from Verizon. How do you know that call number 1 was not from Verizon saying "sorry Matt, the order placed on the 7th fell through the cracks but we have re-scheduled for the 29th...is that OK?" but YOU and I will never know because he refused to take the calls so he is as much a part of the problem as Verizon is. You can't have it both ways in life, yes Verizon does screw up and so does every other cable company in the world. You need to be part of the solution and answering calls from the company you originally placed the calls with is part of that responsibility.
I never said it was ok to rip up his lawn or disconnect his service. He needed to be more proactive in this situation.

Having a realistic outlook and grasp on life requires all of us to be pro-active. Survival.

JokerCPoC

join:2005-11-21
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Re: When FiOS Attacks!

said by NY Tel See Profile :

said by majortom1029 See Profile :

That doesn't matter that gives them no right to rip out his cable and take over Vonages phone service when he told them not to. So you are saying I can come over to your house cut you verizon service out and replace it with Cablevision and you cant do a darn thing to me?

That is just plain stupid.
Perhaps you don't see it but if you read his blog, he had the opportunity to take 3 calls from Verizon. How do you know that call number 1 was not from Verizon saying "sorry Matt, the order placed on the 7th fell through the cracks but we have re-scheduled for the 29th...is that OK?" but YOU and I will never know because he refused to take the calls so he is as much a part of the problem as Verizon is. You can't have it both ways in life, yes Verizon does screw up and so does every other cable company in the world. You need to be part of the solution and answering calls from the company you originally placed the calls with is part of that responsibility.
I never said it was ok to rip up his lawn or disconnect his service. He needed to be more proactive in this situation.

Having a realistic outlook and grasp on life requires all of us to be pro-active. Survival.
I agree too, He should have talked to Verizon when they called, It's the only way to get stuff done, Otherwise they could go on to the next person thinking You're not home.
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I agree the blogger dude is stupid!

Noah Vail
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I agree the blogger dude is stupid!

Don't Faze me Bro!
NV

bleearg13

join:2001-03-03
Gaithersburg, MD

While I sympathize with this guy's plight and I hate Verizon as much as the next guy, your statement disregards the fact that he:

a) placed an order with Verizon (which they lost)
b) provided authorization for Verizon to port his number
c) ignored calls from Verizon's CS department

The techs who did the physical install did not "rip out his cable and take over vonages phone service when he told them not to". They cut the cable by accident and fixed everything they screwed up that same day. If you think that there is some massive Verizon contractor conspiracy out there disconnecting citizens' cables and connecting their own, you should turn off your computer and go back to watching Oliver Stone movies.

Also, once you provide authorization to port your number, it's getting ported - lost FiOS order or not. The FiOS order is a separate order than the number porting. It's highly unfortunate that he couldn't get an order number from VZN to begin with and it's even unlikely that they explained the LNP process to him in detail. Since the LNP order went through, then there is absolutely nothing that Verizon can do - they were correct in that they cannot help him get things back to the way they were, whether it was their fault or not. If he had contacted Vonage like they told him off the bat instead of throwing a fit, he might have been able to get the number back faster.
NY Tel
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Re: When FiOS Attacks!

said by bleearg13 See Profile :

While I sympathize with this guy's plight and I hate Verizon as much as the next guy, your statement disregards the fact that he:

a) placed an order with Verizon (which they lost)
b) provided authorization for Verizon to port his number
c) ignored calls from Verizon's CS department

The techs who did the physical install did not "rip out his cable and take over vonages phone service when he told them not to". They cut the cable by accident and fixed everything they screwed up that same day. If you think that there is some massive Verizon contractor conspiracy out there disconnecting citizens' cables and connecting their own, you should turn off your computer and go back to watching Oliver Stone movies.

Also, once you provide authorization to port your number, it's getting ported - lost FiOS order or not. The FiOS order is a separate order than the number porting. It's highly unfortunate that he couldn't get an order number from VZN to begin with and it's even unlikely that they explained the LNP process to him in detail. Since the LNP order went through, then there is absolutely nothing that Verizon can do - they were correct in that they cannot help him get things back to the way they were, whether it was their fault or not. If he had contacted Vonage like they told him off the bat instead of throwing a fit, he might have been able to get the number back faster.
If you review the posts that certain people make, sometimes they are very pro Cablevision and anti-Verizon IMHO, but I could be wrong.
axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
He checked his messages though... the messages were a generic "We want to talk to you", they should have left some actual information if there was a change in status.
Daddio1949

join:2000-12-13
Rockville, MD
I also suffered from a Verizon installation mess. I ordered Verizon FIOS and was stood up twice. I stayed home from work for the installation. All they did was apologized.

Mike
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edit:
December 21st, @10:39AM

No business is perfect is a poor justification for being dumb.

MadMANN
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said by danclan See Profile :

But since this isnt a shock that a company "lost" an order but really hadnt i'm wondering what the news is hear? Comcast does this, ATT does this. Verizon does this.

So again this is news how? or why? Bad things happen. No company is perfect.
Funny. If someone says the same thing in a Comcast news story that is just as worthless, they are a fanboy shill that is obviously paid by Comcast to defend them and they get flamed to Hell. Wonder why nobody attacked YOUR post yet?

Just to be clear, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Sometimes the news here is pretty ridiculous. But when you say stuff like that, you get the "I don't see you contributing anything" speech.

Ok, here's MY headline: "The sun went down tonight: Is the moon trying to take over the world?" IDK, I think that is just as interesting if not more so.

AnonProxy
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So when he calls and says hey you didn't come over and install. Then they do...he complains?

hortnut

join:2005-09-25
Portland, OR
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Why is it, we are trying to Humanize some of these mistakes, when it is the Machines or the Interface between the Machines and Humans that may be the culprit.

Software is a part of all these transactions - someone tried to enter an order, it completed but with a wrong code for the service, wrong number in the wrong field or who knows what that caused the Service Order to fail.

Has anyone ever worked with some of these companies' CRM [Customer Relationship Management] software?

Why do we not blame Siebel, IBM, Oracle and others??

GIGO still applies in 2007 as it did with the first PC.

newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD

Verizon . . .

puhleeeze come dig up my lawn . . . hell, I'll get my shovel and help you dig.

You can cancel my Comcast HSI anytime, as long as you replace it with FIOS.
whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH
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·RoadRunner Cable

Re: Verizon . . .

said by newview See Profile :

puhleeeze come dig up my lawn . . . hell, I'll get my shovel and help you dig.

You can cancel my Comcast HSI anytime, as long as you replace it with FIOS.
Same here, although it would be replacing Time Warner RR Turbo 10/1 service, I would love to have even the lowest tier of FIOS, as I'm really only on Turbo for the upload. The only other option here is Verizon DSL 3/768, which pales in comparison to RR. Also of note, some local ISP's think they can compete with 768/128 service for $34.95

Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY

Upon hearing a noise.


When asked Verizon said, "well we have to get it below the frost line".
he looks out his window and is shocked to see Verizon had
dug up his front yard for the FIOS cable.
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whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH
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Re: Upon hearing a noise.

i could live with that, lol

Da Geek Kid

join:2003-10-11
Mclean, VA

Again...

Another typical job of a crappy company... I am tired of just hearing stories about Verizon... as far as I have seen it Verizon's never done ONE thing right for private persons or for Corps...

People want high speed and the higher the better than they bitch about their Nightmares.... waaa waaa waaa waaa

stop using Verizon. it's that simple...

wruckman
Ruckman.net

join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH
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CSR

Usually this kind of mess is caused by bad internal communication and sub standard, unintelligent, and lazy customer service representatives. But what do you expect when most of them get paid hardly anything or come from genetically under equipped areas.
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AnonProxy
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Re: CSR

Or equally from customers that are, as one person calls them, professional victims.

wruckman
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Re: CSR

Haha! Agreed.
Syian

join:2007-12-20
Gwinn, MI
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hm

@NY Tel
When he calls to see what was going on, he was informed they'd lost his order and he'd have to place another. He declines - If i'm reading this right, it means he declined to reschedule to have FiOS installed.. now, generally this can be equivalent to saying "no, nevermind i do not want your service".

after this, what does it matter that he refused to take any calls from verizon? after he refused to have a different date for his install, it should, in theory, have been added to his customer record. but that's just my take from working in telcom..
NY Tel
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December 21st, @12:34PM

Re: hm

Fair question - but since we all acknowledge that there are various departments in Verizon that really do not (and sorely need to ) talk to each other - I just want to pose the possibility that the people calling him "possibly" had all the tools and orders necessary to help him. Or not. We'll never know.

This is just my take from having worked for Verizon in the past.... If only I could write a book.

JokerCPoC

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Re: hm

said by NY Tel See Profile :

Fair question - but since we all acknowledge that there are various departments in Verizon that really do not (and sorely need to) talk to each other - I just want to pose the possibility that the people calling him "possibly" had all the tools and orders necessary to help him. Or not. We'll never know.

This is just my take from having worked for Verizon in the past.... If only I could write a book.
Not to mention the general house cleaning that Verizon DSL needs, Verizon the Phone company is usually much better, But there are some people there that are as bad as the DSL people, They could use It, Of course I don't know about the FiOS bunch. Verizon DSL is so hard to work with to Me, Just trying to report an outage makes them think that I'm having sync issues and so they wouldn't give Me anything higher than 768K/128K(I'd had 3M/768K since July 2004), At least the phone company saw through that and I now have 6M/768K DSL(I'm 8,890' from the CO, Which is better than the 12,117' I'd been at in 2004 at a different residence nearby, So I'm now 3,227' closer than before I moved:D) and for only $8.00 more per month before the Backend of Verizon DSL lost My data for the DSL line card, Can You say no data backups for critical data? If It goes, They have to start You off from scratch as the Frontend(Billing) knew I was a customer and activated for DSL, Just not the Backend(the CO), One of the Techs actually questioned whether I was a full Verizon customer or not(Meaning He didn't think I had Verizon Phone service at all), At least I had the website repointed after all this mess was fixed and so I didn't lose the website address It had and I didn't have to install or try and install any of Verizons software which doesn't last I looked like or install under XP x64 at all from the CD. Some of their software probably wouldn't run under XP x64 anyway, But then I have all the security software I'll ever need installed already. And I'm not using Verizons email either cause of Me being disconnected from My DSL prior to My reconnection to DSL again, But It's no loss really, As gmail works nicely and doesn't have the bad points about the email account from Verizon, Of course gmail is received here in Outlook Express just fine, Much to Verizons chagrin, My email is now ISP independent. I could go to their competition without bothering It, Nice. Thank You Google.
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joeMI

join:2006-08-15
Mcmillan, MI

weirdo

i read some of his blog posts.

i find it odd that someone would see trucks in front of their house, watch them tear up his front lawn, then he talks to the installers and permits them to finish the outside install for something that he doesn't want in the first place.

why would anyone in their right mind to that?

yes, the customer service rep made a mistake when he was told they couldn't find an order. or perhaps they had a systems problem and data was being restored or recreated (which explains the order being entered at a later time). who knows.

and to devote all the time and energy to setting up your own personal bitch site. this person, imo, is just a little bit obsessed and is unable to deal with reality. if i was his spouse, i'd run for the hills.

joe
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Re: weirdo

said by joeMI See Profile :

i read some of his blog posts.

i find it odd that someone would see trucks in front of their house, watch them tear up his front lawn, then he talks to the installers and permits them to finish the outside install for something that he doesn't want in the first place.

why would anyone in their right mind to that?
Some people LOVE to be the victim. If I canceled an order and some came out and started digging up my lawn ... I'd stop them right away.

I bet $100 he's a passive aggressive weenie who can't stand up for himself in real life, so he does it online.
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What is even funnier is that he paid money to register a domain, then complain about it...what a douchebag.

Bobcat
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Very short version

He ordered Fios, ignored two phone calls and a postcard when Verizon attempted to contact him, then Verizon goes to install the service he ordered, and somehow it's Verizon's fault.

Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

pnh102
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Re: Very short version

said by Bobcat See Profile :

He ordered Fios, ignored two phone calls and a postcard when Verizon attempted to contact him, then Verizon goes to install the service he ordered, and somehow it's Verizon's fault.
But he's a blogger so somehow, his version of the events in question is 100% accurate and there's no need to find out Verizon's side of this story.

This bum should be grateful that he can even get FIOS.
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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

Weird.. but quoteable..

"What we have here, is a failure to COMMUNICATE!"

Archivis
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Oh well

I'd give up my left you know what for Fios. 3 days of missing telephone service is a lot less painful.

And I say this now after having already gotten Fios.
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anon010

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Boohoo

They didnt disconnect his Cable, probably got cut by mistake by the contractor buring the fiber drop. For verizon to install the service someone has to be home.
ebubman

join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA
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comcast vs verizon

we booted our vzon landline out the front door circa 6 years ago. anytime in the past 18 months i have emailed them asking about fios, i have never, ever had the courtesy of single response from verizon.

hence, every time i get somewhat annoyed @ comcast (we use for hsi/hd), i keep in mind that there is a bigger, badder, far more insidious beast out there in the wild by the name of verizon. we don't need no stinking fios! bub
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