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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Kansas City, MO
clubs:
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| Re: Telco overbuilding.... said by odog  :I didn't think I would ever see the day! It'll definitely be interesting for TW. Imagine it... a Cable Beehive, VRAD cabinet, and coils of glass all in your easement! I can see the lawsuit now  TW will be fine. It's got bandwidth to compete. ATT, however, will be crapping bricks.
Of course, Plano and Frisco are among the most wealthy (and fastest growing) areas in the United States, so whoever can dominate there is guaranteed to make big bucks.
MUCH RESPEK, VZ!
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
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·Charter Pipeline
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| Re: Telco overbuilding.... Keller TX (Dallas) was the initial FiOS site -- and was divided with AT&T across it's southern half.
Deregulation passed in 2005 -- allowing anyone to build-out anywhere (no more exclusive areas). It worked. Too bad I sold my house in the AT&T half of Keller. Now I could get FiOS.
Even Charter Cable rolled-out it's 16mbs tier in Keller -- due to FiOS. Deregulation works.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Yeah - my corp office is in Plano - nice - but very expensive area (relatively).
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Hookem99
Deep In The Heart
join:2007-07-18
Pflugerville, TX | Where?? Austin?? I guess it would be wishful thinking to hope they overbuild in an area they don't currently build in! Yet another reason I should live in the Metroplex!
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MrMaster
What If
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join:2000-12-16
Austin, TX
clubs:
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| Re: Where?? said by Hookem99 :Austin?? I guess it would be wishful thinking to hope they overbuild in an area they don't currently build in! Yet another reason I should live in the Metroplex! Please. "another reason"? What possible reason would you have to want to move to Dallas other than for FIOS? | |
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Hookem99
Deep In The Heart
join:2007-07-18
Pflugerville, TX | Re: Where?? Yeah, ok point taken!  | |
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Hookem99
Deep In The Heart
join:2007-07-18
Pflugerville, TX | Re: Where?? Why are we screwed? Uverse is in most Pfville hoods...getting it my self next week. I would just rather have FIOS.
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Austin, TX
clubs:
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| Re: Where?? I didn't realize they had rolled out there. Last I heard p-town was going to be the unserved void between round rock and north austin.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | Why Not Just Purchase the Area I would think that purchasing markets and infrastructure would be more economical than overbuilding and attempting to compete with two competitors. Could prove to be interesting if this plays out. | |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
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June 12th, @09:10AM
| Potentialy very costly If I'm a potential customer in this market I am happy, if I'm a stockholder of VZ/T I'm worried. At&T isn't just going to rollover. They are going to hit back hard and put new priority on poaching $$$$$VZ business customers. Potential to get very costly for both.
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join:2007-05-09
Ann Arbor, MI | Re: Potentialy very costly I have U-Verse, and it's a fine service, but Verizon will slaughter AT&T in this market - FiOS is really just in a different (higher) class of service. I for one support the poaching. | |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX
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| Content vs Distribution I know this is silly thinking, but it really seems like the cable companies and telcos should just build a common fiber infrastructure with the ability to switch a customer from one provider to another. Let them compete on content and service but share the expense of laying fiber.
I know this is how the electric system works ( power provider vs distributor ) in some areas, has it been successful or not?
Either way, Verizon can feel free to overbuild in Cedar Park, TX ( they are in Georgetown, TX now ) any time they want. Maybe that'll convince AT&T to give us FTTP customers more then 10mbps of goodness. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·AT&T Southeast
·Mediacom
| Re: Content vs Distribution said by Enlightener :it really seems like the cable companies and telcos should just build a common fiber infrastructure with the ability to switch a customer from one provider to another. Makes competition too easy. I seriously doubt that you'll see any major telecom provider volunteering to jointly build a common infrastructure. | |
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
·Time Warner Telecom
·ygnitionnet
| said by Enlightener :I know this is silly thinking, but it really seems like the cable companies and telcos should just build a common fiber infrastructure with the ability to switch a customer from one provider to another. Let them compete on content and service but share the expense of laying fiber. I know this is how the electric system works ( power provider vs distributor ) in some areas, has it been successful or not? This is what the Telecom Act of 1996 instructed the government to do. The goverment hired the telos to build out the fiber networks and that was the end of progress. The telcos have literally spent billions of dollars lobbying to make sure that htey have exclusive rights to their fiber. They will not open their networks up to any one for any reason. I love that Verizon and AT&T are stepping on each other's toes now. It was bound to happen when there is no competition left. | |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | good for Verizon they seem to do risky things that run counter to the oligopoly model of business. It will be interesting to see which big corporate strategy wins out. | |
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datwell1
join:2002-01-08
Falls Church, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| And they said... And they said the big telcos would never compete against each other!
Verizon knows they have the "better mouse trap" and if they are allowed to compete, they should beat the brains out of their competition. FiOS is just great and I speak from experience.
Just my 2 cents.
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| Qwest "The move should prove more worrysome for Qwest, who is relying on slower ADSL2+, has no real triple play service to offer, and rubs up against Verizon in several markets."
This is what I think is a key part of what Karl posted. Qwest is having some financial issues, and I believe they said they didn't believe FTTH was worth it, so if VZ did overbuild in Qwest's areas, Q would have a hard time competing.
In a perfect world, it would be nice if all areas could have a choice of many providers instead of a couple. The differences between them all would probably become much clearer too. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Qwest said by MrSpock29 :"The move should prove more worrysome for Qwest, who is relying on slower ADSL2+, has no real triple play service to offer, and rubs up against Verizon in several markets." This is what I think is a key part of what Karl posted. Qwest is having some financial issues, and I believe they said they didn't believe FTTH was worth it, so if VZ did overbuild in Qwest's areas, Q would have a hard time competing. In a perfect world, it would be nice if all areas could have a choice of many providers instead of a couple. The differences between them all would probably become much clearer too. Verizon could come here, i'm betting theres lots of dark fibre they could pick up for a song.
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join:2005-10-18
Phoenix, AZ | Fios Please come to Phoenix
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Alakar
Facts do not cease to exist when ignored
join:2001-03-23
Milwaukee, WI
·AT&T Midwest
| . Could be interesting to watch this play out.
Verizon has the advantage in internet speed and more then one HD stream. AT&T has the advantage with cost. People that want faster internet will go with Verizon, but for people where cost is the biggest concern may go with AT&T and AT&T has more room to move on cost since their investment isn't as high.
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eqshadimar
Premium
join:2004-10-20
Plano, TX
·Vonage
·Verizon FIOS
| They know what they are doing. I am sure that most of the 25,000 homes in Allen, TX will be in the Twin Creeks developments. That is where all the big houses are. I also happen to have many friends who live there that would drop whatever they are currently using for FiOS. Most of the people in the area work in tech related fields and fiber is simply the must have accessory for them. Kind of like the iPhone.
Imagine the cocktail parties:
"Hey Joe how are you doing?"
"Great Jim we just got FiOS"
"Oh really how do you like it"
"It is great, beats that old cable technology, oh I am sorry you are still on cable aren't you?"
Well something along those lines anyway.
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GTaylor
Premium
join:2002-12-14
Frisco, TX
clubs: | Re: They know what they are doing. I'm in the Frisco area so while I'm happy to see FIOS coming I'm concerned my area won't be covered as I'm in the "ghetto" zip code | |
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GeoPon
@myvzw.com
| Re: They know what they are doing. I'm a Fios tech and live in Frisco. I heard we were going into att areas in Keller and Plano, but not Frisco. If they are feeding Frisco from plano, my guess is they will service all the 500k+ up homes on legacy first  . I live in the grayhawk community on Eldorado and I doubt Fios is headed this way. | |
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GTaylor
Premium
join:2002-12-14
Frisco, TX
clubs: | Re: They know what they are doing. Bahh, can't say I'm surprised. At least they're considering us, even if it's the neighborhood on the nice side of the tollway. | |
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Premium
join:2008-06-12
Plano, TX
| Do you have any idea of the particular neighborhoods that will be getting FIOS? I live in Ridgeview Ranch which is in the general area but I was wondering if all of the houses in the general area will be covered or just certain neighborhoods. To that point, although I'm technically in an at&t area, I don't even have U-verse yet. | |
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join:2008-08-01
Frisco, TX
| Geo,
I think I live about 2 blocks away from you - my brother is a Fios Buried Wire Tech in Irving - he checked on the build out for Grayhawk and they are looking 18 months out atleast... Not sure if they will build from Plano/Lewisville/Denton...
I really want Fios - Uverse is in the subdivision just south of us and has been for a year... There is a fiber/vrad box in the park right here - and they can seem to pull their heads out of there @$$' and plug us in... Even the AT&T Uverse guys don't understand why we don't have it... | |
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join:2002-08-12
Allen, TX | I live in Twin Creeks, and look forward to the day when I can dump AT&T dsl. I moved here 2+ years ago from Carrollton, and had to give up FiOS. I could never explain to the Mrs what a sacrifice I was making... | |
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Just Visiting
@rr.com
| Cherry Picking Some may think this is good, and to some degree it is.
But don't ask the people in Maine, Vermont or New Hampshire about triple play fiber service -- they got dumped.
There used to be laws that made it an equal playing field for all customers - Now we see greedy companies with poor management going after gravy markets. | |
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join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
| Re: Cherry Picking said by Just Visiting :
But don't ask the people in Maine, Vermont or New Hampshire about triple play fiber service -- they got dumped. What's the relative financial profile for ME, VT & NH? Are they affluent? What is the cash flow? What is the expendable cash? What is the debt level and equity level of home and land owners? What portion of the people have those levels, and what portion of the people have what other levels? How does this compare to other areas?
I know FiOS has other considerations, but I prettymuch already know those. | |
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Just Visiting
@rr.com | Re: Cherry Picking You must be one of those management people ---
And to tie into a backbone of "Enterprise" class equipment.
Just wait and see......... | |
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