  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Simple Solution Try one of these. | |
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Reston, VA | Re: Simple Solution Seventh! 
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| | | | Re: Simple Solution Way funnier than the pointless "First!" and useless "Slow news day?" comments. Kudos.  | |
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join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX | Slow news day?  | |
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|  CheesePremium
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Naples, FL
kudos:1 | Re: Slow news day? Well, it IS new years eve!  | |
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| | How about foil-faced insulation.... That's what I have in every wall, and its no better. I can't even pick up radio stations that well. | |
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| scooper
join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC
kudos:2 | Re: How about foil-faced insulation.... Ditto - the ONLY way I can receive OTA TV is via outside antenna - and FM radio as well. WIFI dies by the end of my 120 foot driveway, and is rather spotty in the house as it is in some places... | |
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|  CoronaIt's cool, I'm takin it backPremium
join:2000-03-14
Dallas, TX | How is your cell coverage in your house? | |
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join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC
kudos:2 | Re: How about foil-faced insulation.... It's poor enough that landline in some form will not be leaving this house. We could possibly make a go at wireless only with a repeater / femtocell inside the house. | |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Wireless carriers to use it as an excuse? I would actually be surprised that AT&T isn't using it as an excuse for poor wireless coverage in the area.
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| | | Re: Wireless carriers to use it as an excuse? Touché.
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 SYNACKJust Firewall ItPremium,Mod
join:2001-03-05
Venice, CA
Networking
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| Typically only outside walls I drilled enough holes in my house to tell that typically inside walls don't have chicken wire, or much metal at all. However, the outside walls do.
This could even be a good thing to keep outsiders out of my network  .
Other serious WI-FI blocking contraptions are large mirrored closet doors. I guess the reflective layer is metal. | |
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|  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: Typically only outside walls If you have an old house with stucco exterior walls the substrate used to hold the stucco on can be a metal mesh which can have a mesh fine enough to attenuate a wifi signal quite well.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Typically only outside walls Heh, my (not living in it right now) house built less than 15 years ago has stucco/lath on the outside. And a tin roof up top! Inside walls aren't too meaty though so inside WiFi coverage is no big deal. | |
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| | I have a steel-frame house It's a bit over four years old and framed with 16 and 22 gauge stainless and rediron.
It's not exactly a Faraday cage but trying to get an AM signal is impossible. The place doesn't creak in the wind, is extremely quiet in storms and rings like a giant bell when there's a thunderstorm, but we love it (and it's extremely well-insulated). Finding a good spot for the aircard can be a challenge...I'd be interested to know if there's a way to use the house to boost incoming signals. | |
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| chimera
join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC Reviews:
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| Re: I have a steel-frame house You can purchase wireless base stations that act as repeaters for this purpose. I have one in my basement apartment. You stick an antena outside and then put the unit inside. I get a fair number of dropped calls when walking in the apartment when the outside signal dies, but once I'm inside it starts working again. | |
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| Re: I have a steel-frame house said by chimera:You can purchase wireless base stations that act as repeaters for this purpose. I have one in my basement apartment. You stick an antena outside and then put the unit inside. I get a fair number of dropped calls when walking in the apartment when the outside signal dies, but once I'm inside it starts working again. Yep when I do private consulting for homeowners on their data needs on new builds a lot of times we add repeaters, we use a lot of stuff form either amazon or 3gstore.com which is my favorite place to pick up goods for cell phone or wireless internet boosting, extending, repeating, etc. You can do some pretty cool stuff for not a ton of money.
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| | that explains it... I could never figure out why signal got lower in plastered rooms in my parents house... well the walls have that metal mesh in them for the plaster to stick to... the rooms that didnt and where just wood and drywall didn't have this problem | |
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join:2004-11-03
Fairfield, CA Reviews:
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| farraday cage homes There can be metal mesh used inside the homes used as plaster lath, there can be chicken wire used here in California as stucco lath on the outside walls, there can be wire mesh used to hold bricks and mortar together in traditional English Tudor construction. All of these attenuate wireless signals. | |
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| cghh
join:2001-01-15
Milpitas, CA
1 edit | Re: farraday cage homes said by PrntRhd:There can be metal mesh used inside the homes used as plaster lath, there can be chicken wire used here in California as stucco lath on the outside walls, there can be wire mesh used to hold bricks and mortar together in traditional English Tudor construction. All of these attenuate wireless signals. Another California resident here with this issue. This is not an issue for just old homes; in California, stucco (with chicken wire) is popular in new homes as well. | |
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Fairfield, CA
1 edit | Re: farraday cage homes Not really, but the So Cal TV news would make you think that was the case.
Stucco facing allows the building to move in a quake but not peel off the entire wall face and bury someone walking nearby like brick and stone masonry would. | |
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| | | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | They're advertising timbersil now. Wood fused with fiberglass. | |
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| said by jfmezei:Don't all California homes get destroyed and rebuilt every couple of years because of -earthquake -rain -landslide -high waves -fires If so, then it should only be a couple more years before all homes are wi-fi friendly as they start to use fibreglass instead of chicken wire in the structures L Why Yes...Yes they do.
I grew up there and eventually want to move back...so please keep stories like this going. That way one day I can afford to move back. | |
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| I used to work in the exterior plaster business (never again) in central CA and every single house we worked on, be it a brand new mcmansion or a renovation on an old turn-of-the-century place, every single one used chicken wire to hold the scratch coat of plaster in place. I don't think the guys I worked with would have known what to do if the chicken wire wasn't involved. | |
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join:2001-01-15
Milpitas, CA
1 edit | Re: Ahh, yes...it all seems so clear to me... said by PeteC2:San Franciscans living out their lives in chicken coops...one always suspected this, now it is exposed... Jus' kiddin'!!! ...I think... Just don't lump all Californians together. The very liberal city of San Francisco is different from the more moderate San Jose just south of San Francisco, which in turn is very different from the solidly conservative Republicans in the Central Valley or Orange County in southern California. | |
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join:2002-01-20
Bristol, CT
kudos:5
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| Re: Ahh, yes...it all seems so clear to me... No, really, I did not intend to disparage anybody, including the good folks of San Francisco...it was just this mental imagery of people living behind walls of chicken-wire...couldn't let that one go!
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join:2002-04-21
Dayton, OH | Windows too! The new energy efficient windows that have a center film with gold or silver coatings don't help either. | |
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join:2006-06-14
Clarksville, TN
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| Faraday Cage Home I would think having a Faraday cage built into your home would be an added bonus. Think about in this sense: How much do we as people spend on electronic gadgets? I have about $15,000 worth of electronics, between computers, tvs, stereos, video game consoles, and God help me, a pinball machine. How much are those electronic gadgets going to be worth, when the Islamic Republic of Iran makes a nuclear device and decides to detonate it 35 miles above the continental US? For most of us they will be worthless. However, those of us who own a Faraday cage house, will still have working electronics. Unfortunately, we might have working electronics, but no power source.  I'm prepared though. | |
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| | Plaster all through my house... with the aforementioned chicken wire all underneath...and i'm typing this in the basement approx. 30 ft. from my WAP.
sooooo....why aren't i having the same issues? the entire first floor is plaster-walls, ceilings-the house was built in 1946, solid as a brick shithouse. | |
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|  tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3
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1 edit | Re: Plaster all through my house... said by satellite68:sooooo....why aren't i having the same issues? the entire first floor is plaster-walls, ceilings-the house was built in 1946, solid as a brick shithouse.
In the 40's it would almost certainly be wood lathe.
Metal lathe (expanded metal) was mainly used in commerial starting in the 50's&60's, and only used in residential starting in the 70's and 80's ,not really a better choice, but the labor cost of installing wood strip lathe vs a 4x8/5x12 light duty expanded metal sheet (think LOTS of nails (hours or days per room) vs a guy with a screw gun and some sheet metal washers (10 minutes) )tipped the scales on the mateiral costs.
Metal does have better fire resistance and MAYBE earthquake safety, but their are MANY 2-300 year old homes in the new england area with original plaster on hand split lathe/cut nails, in perfect shape, good for an other 100 years or so | |
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| PittsPghPremium
join:2003-08-21
Pittsburgh, PA
kudos:1 | said by satellite68:with the aforementioned chicken wire all underneath...and i'm typing this in the basement approx. 30 ft. from my WAP. sooooo....why aren't i having the same issues? the entire first floor is plaster-walls, ceilings-the house was built in 1946, solid as a brick shithouse. The signal will pass throught the wood floors easier. | |
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| | Faraday cage... Yea, most people see a home as just walls, doors, windows, roof, but within those walls are electrical power wiring, which unless shielded in conduit emit an EM field about a foot or more in diameter, screws, nails, phone cables, and some folks like me have aluminum siding, and then there's the extremely frustrating prospect of having a house built too close to a rich iron ore deposit, which can block even over-the-air broadcast signals for tv let alone a weak indoor system like wifi. Add to that all of the interference caused by appliances and other devices, and you might begin to see why cell & wifi might not work so well indoors, even without plaster (which can block radio by itself depending on the type) & lath walls in some locations.
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| | Just add extra base stations! There's little need to add power amplifiers or repeaters and even less reason to knock down walls with chicken wire just because they block WiFi.
Just install some extra access points, set them all to the same SSID, connect them to a common Ethernet switch, and you'll have a nice little intra-home cellular network. Your laptop will automatically select the strongest access point and the Ethernet switch will do the right thing too.
If your access points have built-in routers, use at most only one of them for your outside connection (cable or DSL modem). Do not interconnect them with their "network" jacks. Interconnect them only with their LAN-side jacks, either with direct Cat 5/6 cables or in a star topology to a central switch. | |
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4 edits | I have this problem at my apartment My apartment was built in 1921 and is completely lath based. I have to run two wireless access points in the apartment-one didn't give nearly the coverage I needed. I also had no way to run ethernet cabling throughout the apt., so I wound up using an ethernet over powerline unit (Slingbox-bought at Best Buy).
My main wireless router runs on channel 6 and is in the main bedroom where the DSL modem and my home office is located. It's also the only room in the house with a phone jack (old buildings are known for this).
The second router (configured as an access point) is set up in the living room. My wife's desktop computer is in the dining room and connects wirelessly on channel 11. The DirecTv box and a Logitech Squeezebox connects to it via wired LAN.
With the two wireless units I can use my netbook and laptop anywhere within the apartment and also outside. They both have the same SSIDs so the computers reconnect from one to the other automatically when I walk throughout the apartment. | |
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 tmh
@verizon.net | Mesh is too big Folks,
WiFi occupies the 2.4 GHz band, same as microwaves. A Faraday cage effective for blocking RF at that frequency needs millimeter-size or smaller mesh holes. It might stop AM (kHz) and even VHF/UHF ( 1GHz), but not microwaves.
So this notion of chicken wire being an effective shield for WiFi just doesn't ring true. | |
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| PittsPghPremium
join:2003-08-21
Pittsburgh, PA
kudos:1 | Re: Mesh is too big said by tmh :
Folks,
WiFi occupies the 2.4 GHz band, same as microwaves. A Faraday cage effective for blocking RF at that frequency needs millimeter-size or smaller mesh holes. It might stop AM (kHz) and even VHF/UHF ( 1GHz), but not microwaves.
So this notion of chicken wire being an effective shield for WiFi just doesn't ring true.
That mesh behind the plaster isn't exactly chicken wire sized. It is a pretty small mesh pattern. About at least 1/8"x1/4" diamond pattern.
»www.welded-wire-mesh.com/welded-···esh.html | |
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| | | | Re: Mesh is too big This still isn't small enough to block 2.4GHz, but it sure may disturb/distort it. | |
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| | | PeteC2Got Mouse?Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-20
Bristol, CT
kudos:5 | Re: Mesh is too big I think that it absolutely can contribute to blocking/distorting wifi signal! WiFi is hardly robust, being very low powered, it does not take a lot to block/diffuse transmission.
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| | | | None of the stuff I saw on the job was that small. It was the stereotypical "chicken wire" size. | |
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| | | PittsPghPremium
join:2003-08-21
Pittsburgh, PA
kudos:1 | Re: Mesh is too big said by Oedipus:None of the stuff I saw on the job was that small. It was the stereotypical "chicken wire" size. some of the hundred year old places I have lived in, had some mesh that small.
Plus that mesh like that can be used in some semi-modern buildings to form the plaster door frame/openings. Where it's just a pass through opening no real door.
Then I guess combine that with the lead paint as someone else mentioned. | |
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join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
kudos:2 | did you mean lead paint? that might work also | |
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