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Wayne, PA | Re: pfft... Absolutely.
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 
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| Re: pfft... The cap is a non-issue to most people including me. Its going to be really nice to have the doubled upstream for getting things up to my website. Everyone seems to perceive faster speeds the same as inflating your downloads or something. One of the only instances that I can see the speeds pushing you faster to your cap is P2P going faster and taking more bandwidth on the upstream... If that's the case, don't let them run all night now... | |
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| said by Defiance82  :I bet you can hit that 250 GB cap in less than 30 min now :-p This has become the new "First Post!" nonsense.
Really, this is old. Yes we know you can do basic math. Here's a gold star.
*clap clap*
Now please move along, there's a cookie and a glass of Kool-Aid waiting at the end of the line.
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Rockville, MD | Re: pfft... perhaps the point might be better stated:
why bother with faster speeds when all it means is you hit the cap sooner?
having caps in place while touting faster speeds as a selling point is sort of contradictory. | |
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| Re: pfft... said by nasadude :perhaps the point might be better stated: why bother with faster speeds when all it means is you hit the cap sooner? That is a non-sequitur and an equally bogus argument.
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| Re: pfft... said by Matt :said by nasadude :perhaps the point might be better stated: why bother with faster speeds when all it means is you hit the cap sooner? That is a non-sequitur and an equally bogus argument. Matt those of us in multi user households see these CAPS as BOGUS..whether or not we agree with your view point is completely off point..what is ON POINT is historically bandwidth costs have GONE DOWN and fees have GONE UP. With that being said, these MSOs should be UPGRADING their INFRASTRUCTURE instead of MILKING the consumer..how's that for a valid argument??
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| Re: pfft... said by Hangmn :these MSOs should be UPGRADING their INFRASTRUCTURE instead of MILKING the consumer..how's that for a valid argument?? umm, did you read the article at all? Comcast is rolling out DOCSIS 3.0, a major UPGRADE of INFRASTRUCTURE? | |
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| Re: pfft... said by massysett :said by Hangmn :these MSOs should be UPGRADING their INFRASTRUCTURE instead of MILKING the consumer..how's that for a valid argument?? umm, did you read the article at all? Comcast is rolling out DOCSIS 3.0, a major UPGRADE of INFRASTRUCTURE? Yes and Docsis 3.0 is supposed to eliminate the congestion issues that Comcast cites as a reason for caps, so why sill have caps in those areas? | |
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| said by Hangmn :said by Matt :said by nasadude :perhaps the point might be better stated: why bother with faster speeds when all it means is you hit the cap sooner? That is a non-sequitur and an equally bogus argument. Matt those of us in multi user households see these CAPS as BOGUS..whether or not we agree with your view point is completely off point..what is ON POINT is historically bandwidth costs have GONE DOWN and fees have GONE UP. With that being said, these MSOs should be UPGRADING their INFRASTRUCTURE instead of MILKING the consumer..how's that for a valid argument?? I agree they should upgrade infrastructure. I just don't buy the argument that providing faster speeds immediately means you'll consume a significantly higher amount of data.
And FWIW, I am in a multi-user household.
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| Re: pfft... said by wifi4milez :Look at it this way, are your online habits (or those of the people in your house) going to somehow change just because you have a higher speed connection? Unless there is 24/7 downloading going on (P2P comes to mind), these higher speed tiers wont really impact your overall bandwidth consumption. Its not like you will physically watch more Youtube videos (or Hulu, or Netflix, or (fill in the blank)) just because you can download content quicker. EDIT: The purpose of my post isnt to argue wether caps are good or bad. I am simply pointing out that higher speed connections dont necessarily mean you will hit those caps sooner. And I completely agree. However, at this stage to offer me more speed, AND at the same time institute caps just seems a bit arbitrary. I understand the need for TV CONTENT providers to LIMIT my CONTENT derived from a COMPETING medium (internet for all those having trouble following). A better go at this than offering BOTH faster speeds and BUILT in LIMITS would be to offer CONTENT we all WANT in a manner that is decided by me.
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| Re: pfft... this will be a research mechanism for Comcast regarding caps if nothing else. If the roll out of DOCSIS 3 means the MAJORITY of customers are hitting caps sooner, theres always the possibility of Comcast raising caps. This of course would happen if there was a major public outcry.
However the opposite may also true. Another likely scenario is that after the roll out happens, Comcast builds a new median baseline based on usage, and further lowers the caps to that point. This will screw the power user .
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1 edit | I'd say your response is bogus, 100%.
If you look at internet usage with higher speeds (just wait for a study) you'll see higher internet usage. That is just a synonymous phrasing. Otherwise you're living an equivalent of the "640k ought to be good enough for everybody" translated to internet usage caps.
Give people faster internet and they'll watch more, do more, aka use more bandwidth. Otherwise you could try to make a claim that people who had dialup use the same internet bandwidth as they do now, which is a complete lie.
Thus, comcast is going to face cap issues much faster than before, accelerated by the fact that they're doing it in their largest markets first for obvious competitive reasons.
As far as changing habits, here's a simple example. People who are not "omg p2p" and do things like listen to internet radio while browsing the web in multi user households, will now all be able to do so while doing other things at the same time. This does tend to increase with more bandwidth availability, and does tend to use a ton of bandwidth in general. | |
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| said by nasadude :why bother with faster speeds when all it means is you hit the cap sooner? having caps in place while touting faster speeds as a selling point is sort of contradictory. No, it's not. I'll be happy to download a file twice as fast. It doesn't mean that now I'll download TWO files instead of just one. Why would I suddenly want an extra file that I didn't care about before? The only people affected are the ones who download constantly, most of whom are doing something illegal, and Comcast doesn't want them as customers anyway. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: pfft... Easy answer: watching HD instead of SD content.
Easy answer: downloading less-compressed, higher-resolution content.
Satisfied? | |
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| Re: pfft... said by iansltx :Easy answer: watching HD instead of SD content. Easy answer: downloading less-compressed, higher-resolution content. Satisfied? And why wouldn't you do this now with your current connection? I do and I only have 15Mbps.
Having 50Mbps isn't suddenly going to change downloading, viewing, or browsing habits. It certainly will over time, but it's not like as soon as a customer upgrades to 50Mbps they're going to consume a proportionately higher amount of data.
The 250GB cap isn't chiseled in stone. It can (and likely will) be raised over time as necessary.
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| Re: pfft... said by iansltx :If D3 ever comes out here though, I'll probably not stick on my current service tier. It'll either be an upgrade to 22/5 or a downgrade to 12/2. D3 being Diablo 3?
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Antioch, TN | Re: pfft... Considering what this thread is about I'd assume when he says D3 he means Docsis 3.0 | |
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| saying that they'll raise their cap is like ...bleh, I forgot the whole phrase. It's like asking someone to do something they can't, basically.
I wouldn't be surprised if irregardless of all logic and sanity that comcast tries to stick by this 250GB cap for 5-10 years.
Also, about the HD content, on the current connection at 10mb downstream, you cannot watch HD content. 15, is different but still not always sufficient. | |
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| said by iansltx :Easy answer: watching HD instead of SD content. Easy answer: downloading less-compressed, higher-resolution content. Satisfied? I disagree. Right now I "only" have 5Mbps/512k, and whenever possible I download HD content. In fact, I watch movies on my PS3 (via the PS3 store) specifically because some are offered in HD. My viewing habits are not going to change simply because I have a faster download speed, that doesnt make sense. As I said before, this will only immediately impact people that "queue up" content via P2P.
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| Re: pfft... Let me restate: if I can stream content, I'll stream the highest quality content my connection allows. There are plenty of free, legal places to do that. Granted, 've downloaded HD shows over a 512 kbps wireless connection, but not very many. In some sense, more speed does equate to more consumption.
Another example: video chat. If the connection is good enough to support it on both ends I'll use it, more if the quality is better. The quality is better when more bandwidth is used. Granted, there's a bigger difference between 512k and 8M than between 8M and 12, 16 or even 22 in terms of the magnitude of the upgrade, but the fact remains that, if the connection allows it, people will use the cloud more as it becomes closer to the speed of their home network.
Example 3: backup. Not good over a 512k upload connection. Better on a 2M connection. On a conection with 5 Mbit upload speeds I'd not think twice about backing up all my stuff to the cloud, and using it as a repository for photos and videos (note: videos, not movies...I have my own content). If I had 20/20 FiOS we're talking on-network-class speeds, and I'd be using a netbook more often.
A megabit or two may not make a difference, but significant increases in speeds, particularly on uploads (because they're rather slow right now) present new internet opportunities, and thus more 'net usage.
If you don't agree, have a Videotron account. 50 Mbit downloads, lowish cap. As Bill Gates once said, 640k oughta be enough for anybody. | |
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@comcast.net | A tiny percent of Comcast users hit the "ceiling." That minority slows down the system for everyone else and ought to pay its fair share for hogging more bandwidth. I have no interest in subsidizing high bandwidth users. | |
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Algonquin, IL | I could really use a cookie and some Kool-Aid about now.... | |
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Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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| Re: pfft... For the first 6 months, then regular price.
Note: However, if you sign up on the 3rd day of the 6th lunar cycle, the price will be multiplied by the inverse square of the Stefan–Boltzmann law, then pro-rated for the current month's usage, added to the next billing cycle, in advance.
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| Re: pfft... you would think they would have a higher cap for this tier? think people!
since i don't know the details about this, i'm sure the cap would be something like 1000 gigs/month no no cap at all since they can handle the traffic (ohh.. did i say that?)
but seriously folks, my isp has three.. count em three (advertised) speeds each with their own caps
and comcast, im sure has similar cap structure. the 250 cap would seem like for their high tier.
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JeepMatt
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Wilmington, DE | Makes Sense Hmmmm..
Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, DC, Portland = FIOS. Makes sense.
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Camby, IN | Re: Indiana? No kidding. I've got 8Mbps/2Mbps and that's the fastest I could manage. Blast doesn't do much half the time. | |
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join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
clubs: | Re: Wheres Delaware??? Delaware is part of Greater Philadelphia's cluster. You will likely see DOCSIS v3 before those of us in the DC suburbs do (and we're one cluster down). | |
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Miami, FL | bah Miami will not see an upgrade for years | |
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| Re: Another Smoke and Mirrors marketing fizzle said by jimbo48 :Nice to know that Comcast is planning these speeds "somewhere". Withall this development going on you'd think that they would offer something a tad better than 6.0 with "Powerboost of "up to 12 MB/sec" The disclaimer (printer in faint very small font size) says it all. High-Speed Internet service limited to a single outlet. Service subject to Comcast standard terms and conditions. Prices shown do not include equipment and installation charges, taxes, or franchise fees. Speed comparison between Comcast 6.0 Mbps service and 1.5 Mbps DSL (downloads only). PowerBoost provides bursts of download and upload speeds for the first 10 MB and 5 MB of a file, respectively. Many factors affect speed. Actual speeds vary and are not guaranteed. WOW I would get less than a second of Powerboost if they could actually deliver even close and they call that a reason to switch??? Let's tackle some of those *sticking points*, please.
1. A single outlet: As is well-known here at DSLR (and doubtless at Comcast's call centers - I should know, because I used to work in one), the preferred solution for multiple-device connections is a (get this) *router*. Heck, even wireless-N routers (with built-in gigabit switches) have sunk under $100, and wireless-G routers with Fast Ethernet switches are in the sub-$50 range.
2. The service you are referring to is the ECONOMY tier (Comcast's lowest tier); what do the other providers in your area offer at that price and availability range? | |
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| Have to wait and see I'm in one of the Chicago area markets. About 50 miles south of Chicago actually. I'm wondering when Chicago is upgraded, will we also see the improvement? I would love to get those speeds. However, I have a weird feeling, we'll be the last in the Chicago market to get the 3.0 upgrade. | |
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Kankakee, IL | Re: Have to wait and see Im in Kankakee and as soon as the Chicago market got the Blast upgrade we got it down here to so lets keep our fingers crossed | |
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| Bring it on baby! Awesome speeds at great prices. And, they seem to be moving with lightening speed in getting this rolled out across their territories now.
I really like the sound of the 22/5 tier. They're really hitting the sweet spot in terms of speeds and pricing.
It's also great to hear that the basic tier will double at no additional cost. Big changes coming our way.
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Bring it on baby! No Connecticut servers up there.
Doesn't look like it's anywhere near the 20% figure they claimed. | |
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@comcast.net | These areas represent.... way over 20% of the subscriber base. Unless they've moved their goals up, or plan on covering portions of these areas, it just doesn't make sense. Heck, Chicago alone makes up over 10% of their subscriber count. | |
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join:2004-09-30
Riverbank, CA | Re: These areas represent.... " Chicago alone makes up over 10% of their subscriber count." Are you high ???...
The entire Bay area of Calif makes up about 12-15 % .. there is no way Chicagoland can be that compact. | |
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| Re: These areas represent.... said by Phugg :Are you high ???... No. But I should have stated the Chicagoland metropolitan area. They've got 2 million HSI subscribers. Much of the area still can't get DSL, so Comcast is the only choice for most. | |
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| Re: These areas represent.... According to the census bureau, Chi town and surrounding burbs have 3,198,900 households in 2000. »www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/h170-03-22.pdf
If Comcrap holds 2 million of these dwellings, they're doing pretty good!
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join:2002-04-17 | Re: These areas represent.... Now, if they would acknowledge Houston - next in line population-wise... | |
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Normal, IL
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Love Comcast. 
How many speed upgrades have we received with absolutely NO price increase? I've lost count.  | |
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Sykesville, MD | Re: Great! They raise prices its called the rate hike. In the end your paying for it one way or another. | |
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join:2004-10-14
Arlington, VA | Re: Great! Comcast's standard tier has been $42.95 for more than 4 years, nationwide.
Since then, it's gone from 3/384 to 4/384 to 6/384 to 6/1 to 12/1. | |
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| Re: Great! 12/1 my ass.. try 4/384 as standard ($42.95) in my market.
Why not bring their entire infrastructure up to speed before they cherry pick sites for even better service? Comcast would become a behemoth if they went D3 across the board from the getgo, (or at least standardized their offerings) not just in areas with competition.
Imagine the uptake of 50/10 in areas without a competitor? People without would drool over the possibility of speeds such as that. Hell, even having the option of 16/2 across the board makes more sense rather than having some areas with such low "standard" tiers....
Last time I checked my $42.95 is worth $42.95 be it with me standing in Florida, or New York.  | |
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| Misleading This site has been up for several months with the same list of sites - it's probably more indicative of where Comcast's major backbone POPs are rather than where they would eventually deploy DOCSIS 3.0. If there were more "showcase" markets listed, then I'd believe this headline. | |
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join:2007-02-06
Chesterton, IN | Double da speeds I'll be happy to get my 12 mbps...
wonder if the two docsis 3.0 tiers are gonna be ipv6 capable...??? | |
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| Re: Double da speeds said by MalibuMaxx :I'll be happy to get my 12 mbps... wonder if the two docsis 3.0 tiers are gonna be ipv6 capable...??? I think I read somewhere that they will be...
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| Re: 16/2 vs 12/2 I agree, the performance plus's most attractive aspect was more the upload than the download speed, with that gone it's not as attractive. And 12mbps vs 16mbps not that much of a difference, I rarely hit 16mbps anyway.
I'll downgrading too, once my Blast promo rate expires in a few months. Not worth the extra $10. | |
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| said by swhitney2003 :I see very little advantage to the performance plus plan here. If they both have the same upload, and powerboost is present, then they will effectively seem to operate at the same speeds. I will gladly downgrade to the 12/2 to save money. I have always been on the upgraded tier for a speed improvement on the upload side. That advantage will now be gone. Agreed. At least until I can buy my own D3 modem.
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join:2005-11-28
Philadelphia, PA
| Noticed some changes in Philly A couple of weeks ago I noticed that my modem logs showed a reset overnight, around the same time I noticed a change in all my signal levels (they became slightly better) and finally my modem's hardware info page changed from DOCSIS 1.1 to 2.0 (although my upstream is still QAM16 DOCSIS 1.x). Not a firmware upgrade.
Not sure if this could be related to anything new relating to D3 being deployed. Or maybe it could be related to the new throttling system?! I remember reading somewhere in Comcast's documents that it would require some new configuration to be pushed to the modems.
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