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While U.S. Bickers, Australia Builds National Fiber Network
93% of Australia getting government run (temporarily) fiber
by Karl Bode Friday 07-May-2010 tags: Fiber · competition · business · alternatives · Op/Ed · world · consumers
As we've noted, the United States' first ever national broadband plan certainly looks impressive at first glimpse, though on closer inspection the plan reveals itself to be a bevy of very politically-safe and rather toothless initiatives. Ignoring advice from their own studies, the FCC made it clear they couldn't be bothered with things like building an open access national fiber network -- in large part because that would upset the nation's wealthiest carriers. That might be fine if the plan actually did something about a lack of competition -- but it doesn't.

Australia has a very different approach to helping underserved markets and beefing up competition. In April of last year the country announced plans to build a nationwide, A$43 billion ($38 billion) wholesale fiber network, which ISPs will then be invited to compete over. The network will be built under the banner of a completely new private/public company -- and the Australian government says they'll sell their ownership stake in the company five years after the network is completed. Ars Technica directs our attention to a new feasibility study that says Australia's plans are not only doable -- they should be bigger and bolder:

The government initially planned to spend AUS$43 billion (about US$38.9 billion) and build a fiber network that would reach 90 percent of Australian homes. The rest would get wireless broadband, while the truly rural would have access to a new class of satellite service that can deliver a least 12Mbps to the entire country. Too modest! says the report. Instead, Australia should bump its fiber build up to 93 percent, provide fixed wireless service for four percent, and Ka-band satellite service for the remaining three percent—and it can all be done in eight years and on budget.

As would obviously happen here in the States as well, incumbent ISP Telstra has whined about the project, and the Australian government has responded by telling Telstra they can either help (and make money in the process) -- or shut and get out of the way. The end result is essentially what Google's doing to a single town -- spread across the entire country. Of course an FCC study highlighted how such models create more competition (and by proxy faster service at lower prices), so Australia will be an interesting place to watch. Now about that silly Australian plan to try and filter the Internet of all its naughty bits...

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nasadude

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awesome!

Australia will soon have the fastest filtered network in the world.

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Re: awesome!

said by nasadude:

Australia will soon have the fastest filtered network in the world.
Best estimate of SOON is 8 yrs. And I'd bet a gov't project means it will be closer to 2x that estimate.
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said by nasadude:

Australia will soon have the fastest filtered network in the world.
incorrect...
they will have faster connection only in select area that make up 10 percent of the country
LMAO

another hype

overhyped in other word
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Re: awesome!

It's actually a great idea. 93% of the country will have access to 20mb minimum, with speeds up to 100mb. Being that it's fiber, the sky is the limit really.

The best thing about it is that it is a wholesale public/private network - allowing true competition. Aka any company can offer services using it.

We'd never do something like this in our country because we have idiots assuming it is the 1700. Ironically these same anti-government pro free market geniuses, do not seem to have an issue with the one provider being a monopoly in most counties; which basically goes against the premise of the free market in the first place.


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They'll still have crap latency to this side.

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And you will still have crap latency to this side. What's your point?

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Yep, it seems like the Australian Labor Party wants to run their national internet like a grade school library. Keep the government away if they feel compelled to legislate their own personal values or try and appease a niche special interest group.

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Can I get that fiber run down the telegraph track?

So when I'm standing at the tip of Cape York I'll be able to get tell everyone
on the internet about it in real time? lol
tdouglas22

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And.....

Que the complaints about how America's tax payers don't want to spend money on this.
Skippy25

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Re: And.....

I would gladly take all the tax money I spend in individual and corporate welfare and divert every dime to a plan like this.

That would probably be about 45% of all taxes paid so it should be in the hundreds of billions and certainly feasible.

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Re: And.....

said by Skippy25:

I would gladly take all the tax money I spend in individual and corporate welfare and divert every dime to a plan like this.

That would probably be about 45% of all taxes paid so it should be in the hundreds of billions and certainly feasible.

Not exactly, try dipping into the penagon budget instead (I guess that's a form of corporate welfare too.)

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That is the DISCRETIONARY budget.

How about making some non-discretionary items discretionary? Like servicing the debt wouldn't be nearly as high if we weren't piling on debt at $1.8T per year.

First the Federal government will look like Sacramento. Then it will look like Greece.

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Here is the current full budget(not just discretionary):
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Unite···spending



The defense budget makes up 18.74% of the budget ($664 B)
Welfare makes up 16.13% ($571 B).

So take 10% from the Welfare money and they can run fiber & since it will create all these new jobs less welfare money will be needed.
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what a bad chart. using the same colors over and over again while not labeling the sections of the pie makes it really hard to read.
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said by Linklist:

Here is the current full budget(not just discretionary):

The defense budget makes up 18.74% of the budget ($664 B)
Welfare makes up 16.13% ($571 B).

So take 10% from the Welfare money and they can run fiber & since it will create all these new jobs less welfare money will be needed.
I used the discretionary chart on purpose.
I doubt you can make a viable case that you should yank food out of the mouths of needy children (even IF their parents are crackwhores and scammers (MOST are not) ) nor throw anyone out on the streets for a in Ohio winter, or cutoff Grandma's oxygen JUST because you believe you need faster internet NOW.
The difficulties of of the entitlement culture/generation can't be solved with a hachet, nor should VALID usage of said services be sacrficed for the building of infrastucture (your "entitlement"?)
The discretionary is what we currently have available to commit to new projects, and it appears to be pretty well stretched at the moment, given all our past commitments.

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I can and a chainsaw is the perfect tool for the job. It's not my job to feed someone else's kids. It's not my job to pay to house someone in Ohio. Let the State government of Ohio take care of that or better yet charitable organizations. It's also not my job to pay for someone else's Internet deployment.

There should be no such thing as a Federal "entitlement", nor a state one for that matter.

If someone wants fiber, let that local town pass a bond measure on a ballot and those local people PAY for the stuff they want. Simple.

Greece, here we come!
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Re: And.....

said by Z80A:

I can and a chainsaw is the perfect tool for the job. It's not my job to feed someone else's kids. It's not my job to pay to house someone in Ohio. Let the State government of Ohio take care of that or better yet charitable organizations. It's also not my job to pay for someone else's Internet deployment.

There should be no such thing as a Federal "entitlement", nor a state one for that matter.

If someone wants fiber, let that local town pass a bond measure on a ballot and those local people PAY for the stuff they want. Simple.

Greece, here we come!
Your selfishness is heart-warming. If people like you were in charge throughout this country's history we would never have had rural electrification.

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Re: And.....

I always find it so amusing that people like you are always so willing to spend OTHER people's (ie "the rich" or "greedy corporations") money for "entitlements", etc to suppress your own feelings of guilt. Furthermore, you're always so quick to call anyone selfish who dares suggest that these people actually pull their own weight. What makes you assume that he's so selfish just because he believes in personal responsibility? Do you know for a fact that he doesn't give to charity? Get off your high horse. Over 50% of our tax money is already going toward Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and Welfare. We can't afford the slackers anymore...

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There is no entity on the planet more greedy and selfish than the Federal government except perhaps for the leeches in society that want to grow it.

What the socialist thieves don't get is that a good parasite doesn't kill it's host and these leeches with their hands endlessly outstretched have killed it dead. The leeches have run out of everyone else's money and now they steal from 3 and 4 generations in the future. They are the greediest most selfish lot in history.

Note to the socialists. If you want to fund this greed, you are free to give every penny you have to the corrupt government. No one is stopping you. But alas, you don't do that. You want to steal everyone else's money. You can go F-yourself. We aren't going to take it any more. Revolution comes in November.

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said by sonicmerlin:

said by Z80A:

I can and a chainsaw is the perfect tool for the job. It's not my job to feed someone else's kids. It's not my job to pay to house someone in Ohio. Let the State government of Ohio take care of that or better yet charitable organizations. It's also not my job to pay for someone else's Internet deployment.

There should be no such thing as a Federal "entitlement", nor a state one for that matter.

If someone wants fiber, let that local town pass a bond measure on a ballot and those local people PAY for the stuff they want. Simple.

Greece, here we come!
Your selfishness is heart-warming. If people like you were in charge throughout this country's history we would never have had rural electrification.
Who are these great socialist throughout history ? i cant think of one ? Cuba barely survives, Venezuela has a crashed economy ?
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Re: And.....

said by DaveDude:

Who are these great socialist throughout history ? i cant think of one ? Cuba barely survives, Venezuela has a crashed economy ?
Usually the pro-socialist crowed trots out the countries of Europe as a response to this one... which might have been true, until last week.
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said by Z80A:

.....There should be no such thing as a Federal "entitlement", nor a state one for that matter.......

"Should be no such thing"...
As I said you can't make a viable case to pull money from existing "entitlements" to fund a new one (universal broadband, in this case). I also doubt you can end ALL entitlements over this one issue.
The fact that you want NONE is off topic...but since you brought it up, consider the following
The great society/war on poverty was intended to be a lifeline, to pull/offer those in need, a chance to rise up from the muck. what should have been a temporary lifeline, instead became a lifestyle.
My contention is you can't end 50 years of dependancy instantanously without some serious side effects.
either way the topic of this thread is really "SHOULD the Gov't (local state federal) make an INVESTMENT in Infrastructure to encourage future economic viablity of this country OR Should the Gov't INSTEAD merely provide direction and regulation to encourage the same investment by existing private companies (who are quite capable of building said networks IF given consistant, viable tax and return legislation and regulation)

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The simple answer is no. The Federal government has neither the money nor the talent for such an undertaking. It has done nothing but proven itself completely inept, corrupt and can't be trusted to do anything; particularly when it is for sale to the highest corporate and union bidders. Any regulation or money spent will be determined not by what is best for the people, but by those who purchased the politicians writing the legislation.
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said by Z80A:

I can and a chainsaw is the perfect tool for the job. It's not my job to feed someone else's kids. It's not my job to pay to house someone in Ohio. Let the State government of Ohio take care of that or better yet charitable organizations.
Neither the states nor the charitiies (hah!) have the resources. The tax money that goes to these programs is the price you pay so that you don't have to see scenes straight out of "Angela's Ashes" on the nightly news and the front pages. Just like the Social Security tax prevents you from having to read and watch stories about starving elderly people who are too old to work - something that used to happen prior to that program.

What amazes me is that so many conservatives/republicans consider themsleves "christian", yet their response to poor hungry/sick kids (who didn't choose their parents) is to tell them go beg at private charities, and failing that, just die. All so that nothing cuts into their Starbucks budget. "Evil" is the only word that fits.

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Re: And.....

said by PDXPLT:

What amazes me is that so many conservatives/republicans consider themsleves "christian", yet their response to poor hungry/sick kids (who didn't choose their parents) is to tell them go beg at private charities, and failing that, just die. All so that nothing cuts into their Starbucks budget. "Evil" is the only word that fits.
Right, cause nothing shouts "Christian" more than the church abdicating its own responsibility to the government. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I don't know about the "Christians" in your neck of the woods, but around here no one is telling anybody to go beg or die. Now I'll be the first to admit that nobody is perfect, but to sit there and call out the Christians because most of them think that this country's federal entitlements are bankrupt and broken is a complete joke...

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Yeah, So-So security, the whopping 2% return on their lifetime investment. Even with all the ups and downs in the market over one's lifetime, if those folks were able to privately invest their money they would retire like Kings and Queens instead of Pelosi, Reid and Obama's serfs. But no. They get throttled for over 7% along with their employer and the government raids the fund to pay for other bloated waste elsewhere in government like bloated government employee pensions. And then when it comes time for the baby boomers to retire, the government has already spent it all and more.

Perhaps if the people weren't slaves of the government through June every year they could fun their own retirement. It's hard to save when State, Local and Federal thugs steal over 1/2 of every dollar you earn. How many meals could you have bought the supposed starving old folks with Pelosi's $100,000.00 booze bill or $3000 flowers bill? The $32 average per Amtrak passenger the taxpayers subsidize? A lot. The government is a disaster and needs to be completely gutted and EVERY program reevaluated from HUD to the Pentagon. Anything that is not an explicit power granted the Federal government by the Constitution should be gone and that power returned to the States or the People as required by the 10th Amendment. This putting everything under the commerce clause is horsecrap.

Greece is our future if we don't get our priorities in order. Just servicing Obama's debt will ultimately cost a trillion dollars a year.

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They have more than enough resources to do everything they are SUPPOSED to do. But they waste the money on bloated salaries and benefits for lazy government workers. Get rid of the corrupt and greedy public employee unions and make those employees actually have to earn their money and you will see the cost of government drop substantially.

If we don't, Washington will at first look like Sacramento, then given a few more years of Obamanomics, Greece.

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said by PDXPLT:

Neither the states nor the charitiies (hah!) have the resources
When the welfare state pays more than working minimum wage, it raises demand for free money, and that is the natural result. Perhaps benefits should be scaled back so that people on welfare cannot use the ER as their personal on-demand doctor, or afford the latest Blackberries with data plans, nicest sneakers, and the most expensive food in the store. Maybe we should see how many people on welfare have smoke cigarettes or have cable TV and cell phone service and discount the cost of that from their benefits as well. At that rate, private charities can and would easily provide a subsistence level of food, clothing, shelter and medical services for those people who truly cannot afford it, as opposed to people who are too lazy to be bothered with working.
said by PDXPLT:

What amazes me is that so many conservatives/republicans consider themsleves "christian", yet their response to poor hungry/sick kids (who didn't choose their parents) is to tell them go beg at private charities, and failing that, just die
Perhaps you need to brush up on your Christianity before making a statement that shows that you are completely and totally ill-informed about this subject.

I suggest by starting with 2 Thessalonians 3:6-10 »www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se···sion=NIV. In particular, verse 10 states in part "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
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Do you call law enforcement an entitlement? why not replace the police with private security companies, they can compete to sell 911 subscriptions to households? if you don't have a security company subscription, its you, your shotgun, and citizens arrest to deal with any crime problems on your property.

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Come on! We known NOBODY in Z80A See Profile's neck of the woods (SoCal, is my guess) has EVER recieved ANY benifit from ANY Gov't program EVER!

> end dream sequence

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Awesome visual reference,now i think people in this country really need to stare at that for awhile and try to put how much money that is(aside from classified programs) in perspective.... now do we feel safer for the amount of money that is poured to PRIVATE MILITARY CONTRACTORS that find every way to steal yes i said steal because that has been happening since the war or whatever they call it began,Halliburton and there bitch Cheney have robbed our country blind all wile saying we are helping the troops,just one day of spending on our military i have read elsewhere could pretty much fix health care,social security,and just about every program that we benefit from by paying taxes,but instead we are scared by our government into thinking that the whole world hates us (yes some do) and they need all this money to protect us bullshit relax the laws on rights to bear arms and i will do a fine job of protecting my country.I have to stop ranting because this subject really hits a nerve with me because all of America is so concerned with the economy this passes every year right under the radar.
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Of course -- "just one day" of military spending "could pretty much fix" all the problems in "health care,social security,and just about every program" across the government.

Well, if "just one day" of military spending would solve all these problems, surely "just one day" of the larger social security spending could solve even more! And golly, if all it would take was "one day" of military spending to generate utopia, why hasn't it been done?

Oh, let me guess -- it must be because the political parties, the politicians, the bureaucrats and everybody else have been captured by "PRIVATE MILITARY CONTRACTORS" and "Halliburton and there bitch Cheney"!

Gosh, if only those folks had consulted camaro92, just imagine what a world this would be...

Lose the tinfoil and get real.

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Dood if you can show me a real chart that says S.S takes in and redistributes more than the military then i will agree with that statement,also i said no utopia,when you actually look at the basic numbers that the social programs cost in this country to run for 1 year the military budget would cover that in less than week,i don't know about you but i would rather keep my tax money in my country going back to the citizens,not rebuilding other country's just to see some wacko blow it the next week.Also the tin foil hat reference my only response to that is so we should just follow blindly what everyone else says,sorry i try to think outside of the box,have a wonderful day.

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We need to cut the Useless Military in half. Do we Really need 1000s of nukes when only a few can blow up the World? Do we really need all those Navy Subs???
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Re: And.....

What do you think ensures that your Hummer has gas?

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said by patcat88:

What do you think ensures that your Hummer has gas?
The World Market. Everyone wants to make a buck. OPEC and CITGO from Venezuela.
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said by Kommie:

said by patcat88:

What do you think ensures that your Hummer has gas?
The World Market. Everyone wants to make a buck. OPEC and CITGO from Venezuela.
But what about when a country invests in war or propping up dictatorships to get a better price for oil? The free market doesn't have any limits.

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Re: And.....

said by patcat88:

said by Kommie:

said by patcat88:

What do you think ensures that your Hummer has gas?
The World Market. Everyone wants to make a buck. OPEC and CITGO from Venezuela.
But what about when a country invests in war or propping up dictatorships to get a better price for oil? The free market doesn't have any limits.
There is no such thing as a free market hence OPEC. We still did not get a better piece of Oil.

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.....and it can all be done in eight years and on budget.

Umm, that's optimistic, for ANY government project ANYWHERE in the world.

I'm sure the large american providers would like that scenero too, gov't takes the risk and finances the entire build out and IF it's sucessful, after 5 years the large providers get to buy it at cost.
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Re: .....and it can all be done in eight years and on budget.

said by tshirt:

Umm, that's optimistic, for ANY government project ANYWHERE in the world.

I'm sure the large american providers would like that scenero too, gov't takes the risk and finances the entire build out and IF it's sucessful, after 5 years the large providers get to buy it at cost.
Yeah, I laughed at that too. How naive does one have to be to believe that any government project will be done on time and on budget? The chances are about the same as Obama announcing tomorrow that he's resigning to persue a professional bowling career.

If they plan on $39 billion, best guess is that it'll end up costing about $100 billion.
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Re: .....and it can all be done in eight years and on budget.

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The Senate beat back another amendment with populist tinges, defeating 61-33 a provision that would have put strict caps on the size of the nation's banks. Offered by a bloc of liberal Democrats, it would have capped at 10% the limit on the nation's total insured deposits any single bank holding company could carry. It would have also set a 6% leverage limit for banks and capped their non-deposit liabilities at 2% of U.S. gross domestic product.
Really? Have you ever read a single history book about the United States outside of grade school? No wait, you're American. That would be presumptuous.

Look up "The Hoover Dam" and learn a little about your cultural heritage.
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So..

Please tell me you sent this to the FCC so they could read their plan.

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Spending fantasy

When will people learn, the whole world is in a financial crisis, Greece , Europe and US. Why do people think these project could be funded. The Obama administration has spend the most of any prior administration and will nearly take the entire GDP. I will take private broadband, solely for the fact its cheaper, and wont tax me.
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Re: Spending fantasy

said by DaveDude:

The Obama administration has spend the most of any prior administration and will nearly take the entire GDP.
That's demonstrably false. No one in the history of this world has ever spent more than Bush Jr. did in his eight years.

quote:
I will take private broadband, solely for the fact its cheaper, and wont tax me.
No it's not. You don't think the cost of broadband paid to a monopoly or duopoly is a form of corporate welfare that is far more expensive than any tax the government could levy?

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Re: Spending fantasy

said by sonicmerlin:

said by DaveDude:

The Obama administration has spend the most of any prior administration and will nearly take the entire GDP.
That's demonstrably false. No one in the history of this world has ever spent more than Bush Jr. did in his eight years.

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I will take private broadband, solely for the fact its cheaper, and wont tax me.
No it's not. You don't think the cost of broadband paid to a monopoly or duopoly is a form of corporate welfare that is far more expensive than any tax the government could levy?
Sonic, you're wrong. The highest deficit in the Bush years was about $400 billion, The highest Obama deficit was about $1.75 trillion.
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hmm

Most of australian homes are located on the outside by the water right?

Wouldnt that be easier to wire then if they had to wire up ALL of australia?

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Re: hmm

said by majortom1029:

Most of australian homes are located on the outside by the water right?

Wouldnt that be easier to wire then if they had to wire up ALL of australia?
it is a pipe dream dat cant happen overnight maybe another decade minimum... if the world if fiber optic by that time.
the us and japan will lead the way... the aussies is still on cable and dsl and speed are not better then US
I been to australia and the speed offered were similar to 3rd world country such as 512kbps, 1mb, 2mb and 3mb LOL
the price are steep and you get billed by the bytes
well you get something like 10gb, 20gb, 30gb, 40gb
going over = 1 dollar per gb
owned...

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Did you visit 10 years ago or something?

I'm connected at about 15Mb/s at current, And i live very far from the exchange - some people have over 100Mb/s on Fiber or Cable here. And 'up to' 24Mbps ADSL2+ is available anywhere more than two people live.

You must be looking at Telstra when you get those data prices, Here you can get 500GB for $49 or totally unlimited 24Mb/s for $75-80 with about three providers.

Also, Alot of providers shape to 1-4Mb/s when you go over your limit, alot of people can't even sync that far (in any country) due to speed from the exchange - so even the $50 plans are basically unlimited.

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said by majortom1029:

Most of australian homes are located on the outside by the water right?
Don't forget that all have bill-per-gig caps at their ISPs too.

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Re: hmm

said by jester121:

said by majortom1029:

Most of australian homes are located on the outside by the water right?
Don't forget that all have bill-per-gig caps at their ISPs too.
and they have really low caps. even dialup is metered there.
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@iinet.net.au

Re: hmm

Not correct, We have unmetred plans and most of the plans with data caps have very high caps (several hundred GB)

Dialup is basically unheard of now, Let alone dialup with usage caps.

$75 can get you unmetred 24Mbps in some places. And $49 can get you 500GB in some places. That's even better than Comcast's 250GB cap.

Yeah we have some real assholes like Telstra who charge $100 for 50MB of usage, But there are alot of companies over here offering very fast stuff.
Quoquoi

join:2010-05-08
New York, NY

USA-FCC BROADBAND PLAN, HEALTHCARE, AND THE INTERNET

The ENGINE of Economic Growth in this 21st Century is "Broadband." We, in the US need to start by, Deployment of a pure Packet-based, All Optical/IP, Multi-Service National "TRANSPORT" Network Infrastructure, using Optical Ethernet throughout this National "Network of Networks." This will Connect All Optical Islands, in the USA.

FCC BROADBAND PLAN - We must make Maximum Use of our Spectrum Resources. We must Used our Technological Strength, to Increased the CAPACITY of this very limited National Spectrum Resource (i, e, Increased Air Interface/Spectral Efficiency).

HEALTHCARE IT & THE INTERNET - In US, Proper Deployment of Health Information Technology (HIT) Solutions, and Training can Increased Productivity (i, e, medical data miming/warehousing, risks treatment, service delivery), Efficiency (i, e, medical errors, redundant and inappropriate care), and and Provide the USA, with a Cost Savings of around 20-30% of the USA National Healthcare Expenditures (2009, $2.5 Trillions).

We, in the USA, we need to used some of our Stimulus Funds, in combination with a 50/50 Joint Venture of Private Sector Investment, and Used the Combined Funding (i, e, it will Cost up to $300 Billions), to Build an Intelligent Network Infrastructure Services for: Broadband, Healthcare IT, Smart Transportation Systems, and Smart Grids.

The Investment in this USA-National "Network of Networks", in addition to New Jobs Creation and Economic Recovery, can also Serve as a Business Driver for: Law Enforcement Nationwide Network, e-Government, e-Commerce, e-Education, e-Healthcare, Bio-Surveillance, Energy and Transportation Systems, Social Networking, Entertainment, etc. This Investment is like the Investments made in the past, in ERA, TVA, the National RailRoad, and the National Transportation Inter-State Highways, which Increased the USA Productivity and the USA GDP.

Please See: www.gkquoquoi.blogspot.com or www.compuline1.health.officelive.com for Summary Deployment Plan, for the USA-Nationwide Health Information Network (NHIN).

Gadema K. Quoquoi
President & CEO
COMPULINE INTERNATIONAL, INC.

my2cents

@208.84.191.x

Re: USA-FCC BROADBAND PLAN, HEALTHCARE, AND THE INTERNET

Man, wish greed didn't rule here in the US. We should have national broadband. Glad health reform got passed.

milnoc

join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:1

Re: USA-FCC BROADBAND PLAN, HEALTHCARE, AND THE INTERNET

Unfortunately, you're still forty years behind nations like Canada!

As for a US national broadband network, it'll never happen. Look at how many states are passing legislation outlawing local government participation in municipal broadband Internet projects, laws aggressively pushed ahead by big business and big money.

Predatorial capitalism.
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DaveDude
No Fear

join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
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Re: USA-FCC BROADBAND PLAN, HEALTHCARE, AND THE INTERNET

said by milnoc:

Unfortunately, you're still forty years behind nations like Canada!

As for a US national broadband network, it'll never happen. Look at how many states are passing legislation outlawing local government participation in municipal broadband Internet projects, laws aggressively pushed ahead by big business and big money.

Predatorial capitalism.
Like all socialism is greedless, ROFL
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DufiefData

join:2006-06-13
Gaithersburg, MD
Practical joke? Pretty funny mastery of the claptrap.

anonymiss

@comcast.net

Um, yeah. Australia

The bastion of freedom of the press and a low-tax government. :/ You already can't host a pr0n site in AU, what do you suppose the GOVERNMENT won't allow on a network IT build's and controls? This is just another stepping stone to the complete control of the AU people buy their government.

I don't understand how ARS TECHNICA, a site that has never run an ISP let alone a multi-billion dollar network, has any right to talk about something they don't have a clue about.

Yeah, it's easy huh? "Let's just spend 2% of our GDP on a luxury for our citizens". I'm not sure where a democratic government employee comes off doing that.

pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD

Shrug

So Australia is copying China's approach to the Internet and we are supposed to be impressed?
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