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While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizens» www.eff.org/press/archiv ··· 10/10/28The issue has been in the headlines for more than a month, kicked off by a New York Times report that the government was seeking to require "back doors" in all communications systems -- from email and webmail to Skype, Facebook and even Xboxes -- to ease its ability to spy on Americans. » www.nytimes.com/2010/10/ ··· tml?_r=1 | |
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| Thaler Premium Member join:2004-02-02 Los Angeles, CA |
Thaler
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2010-Nov-12 3:44 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensI was about to say, the Obama administration concerned about the privacy of citizens? Hypocrisy at it's finest. | |
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| | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY |
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by Thaler:I was about to say, the Obama administration concerned about the privacy of citizens? Hypocrisy at it's finest. Obama is only interested in this because it will allow him to create yet another "Czar" position that he can fill with one of his lackeys. That seems to be his agenda these days; when a problem pops up he tosses a few more "Czars" at it instead of actually attempting to solve the problem..... | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-14 8:30 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by wifi4milez:said by Thaler:I was about to say, the Obama administration concerned about the privacy of citizens? Hypocrisy at it's finest. Obama is only interested in this because it will allow him to create yet another "Czar" position that he can fill with one of his lackeys. That seems to be his agenda these days; when a problem pops up he tosses a few more "Czars" at it instead of actually attempting to solve the problem..... More hypocritical than the Bush Administration (the last republican admin)? Bush had 32 Czars. Obama has 39. Clinton had 8. Bush 1 had 2. and Reagan had 1. Bush had an increase of 24 czars from the last admin. Obama only has an increase of 7 czars. | |
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| | | | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY |
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by r81984:said by wifi4milez:said by Thaler:I was about to say, the Obama administration concerned about the privacy of citizens? Hypocrisy at it's finest. Obama is only interested in this because it will allow him to create yet another "Czar" position that he can fill with one of his lackeys. That seems to be his agenda these days; when a problem pops up he tosses a few more "Czars" at it instead of actually attempting to solve the problem..... More hypocritical than the Bush Administration (the last republican admin)? Bush had 32 Czars. Obama has 39. Clinton had 8. Bush 1 had 2. and Reagan had 1. Bush had an increase of 24 czars from the last admin. Obama only has an increase of 7 czars. Right, Obama has (in two years) increased the number of Czar's Bush appointed in eight years by 18%. If he continues at this rate, Obama will double the number of Czars before he is kicked to the curb in 2012. | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-14 8:59 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensBush quadrupled the number of czars than the previous administration. | |
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Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by r81984:Bush quadrupled the number of czars than the previous administration. Yes, and per my original response Obama has increased that by 18% in only two years. Who knows how many more he will add at the rate he is going. | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-14 9:24 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensSo Obama increased it by 18% while Bush did it by 400%? hmmm... Its funny how anti-conservative fox new republicans did not care that Bush did it. | |
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| | | | | | | | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY |
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensBush certainly increased the number of Czars during his eight year tenure. However, in just two years Obama has exceeded that number by 18%. The scary part is that he seems to add a new one every other week. With two years left in office its almost scary to think how many he will have when he is done... | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-14 10:14 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensYou get an A in fear mongering. Bush added 19 czars in his first term. Obama has only added 7 so far.
They basically use the name czar, but most of these people are directors and chairmans of offices/groups under the president.
I am a conservative, but I can admit the dems are doing a better job running this country than republicans did from 2000 to 2008. | |
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Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by r81984:I am a conservative, but I can admit the dems are doing a better job running this country than republicans did from 2000 to 2008. I guess you havent been following the news very closely then. The country overwhelmingly disagrees with your point of view, and they showed it on election night... | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-15 6:43 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by wifi4milez:said by r81984:I am a conservative, but I can admit the dems are doing a better job running this country than republicans did from 2000 to 2008. I guess you havent been following the news very closely then. The country overwhelmingly disagrees with your point of view, and they showed it on election night... I guess you were not paying attention to the election. Democrats still won the Senate and republicans lost to Tea Baggers. Americans see every other party as better than republicans. Now that boner is the speaker of the house people will start hating republicans even more. Boner is an anti-conservative asshole that has not done anything positive in 20 years of being in government. | |
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| | | | | | | | | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY |
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by r81984:I guess you were not paying attention to the election. Democrats still won the Senate and republicans lost to Tea Baggers. Americans see every other party as better than republicans. I guess you don't understand how to read election results then. Not only did voters support the GOP in historic numbers, but the Democrats saw a loss not seen since 1938. Obama himself said the Lib's received a "shellacking" (his word not mine) this past election. If the most liberal president in history can see it and you cant, then you either 1) live on the moon or 2) havent bothered to read the news in the past two years. | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-15 8:12 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensBush was the MOST liberal president in the history of the US. No one can argue that. If you can't understand that then you must not have lived in the US during 2000 and 2008.
Dems won the senate and lost the house. That is not so great for republicans who's party is being replaced by tea baggers.
Now that republicans have the majority in the house they can no longer not vote for bills they helped create (like healthcare) and then conveniently choose not to vote knowing the dems will pass the bill without them. Now they have no choice but to vote for the bills they support. | |
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Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by r81984:Bush was the MOST liberal president in the history of the US. That statement confirms that both of my earlier assertions are correct. So tell me, is it true when they say that ignorance is bliss? | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-15 8:53 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensYou cant be serious. No one is more liberal than Bush that is a fact. Your actions make you a liberal. Saying you are not one does not mean anything. A lot of republicans call themselves conservative when they are in fact very, very liberal. Most politicians are liberal regardless of the party they are in. | |
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Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by r81984:Your actions make you a liberal. Your comments indicate that you are delusional. As long as you can accept that (or even if you cant!), then I think this debate is over. | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-15 9:03 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensYou are the delusional one. I am telling it like it is. There has never been a president more liberal than George W. Bush. Wake up.
Clinton was more conservative than the past few republican presidents. | |
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Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by r81984:You are the delusional one. I am telling it like it is. There has never been a president more liberal than George W. Bush. Wake up. You are losing it man, I think you need some sleep. | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-15 9:12 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by wifi4milez:said by r81984:You are the delusional one. I am telling it like it is. There has never been a president more liberal than George W. Bush. Wake up. You are losing it man, I think you need some sleep. What is wrong with you??? I am not saying Obama is not liberal, but no one is more liberal than George W. Bush. His record clearly shows he is liberal. People like you are why we get bad politicians in office. You vote based on what people say at a rally and not what their record shows. You probably voted for Mccain which his record showed a criminal who never worked for anything in his life. McCain screwed over a lot of good Americans in the savings and loan scandal. But since he was at a rally and said he was "conservative" I bet you voted for him. Its funny that the wife McCain abandoned after she was in a car accident spent much more time in the White House than he ever had. Next time you vote ignore the political BS and look at the history of the candidates and don't vote for those who have a history of abusing their power, stealing, cheating on their wives, and who never had to work for their money. Just because they say they are conservative does not mean they are. | |
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Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizenssaid by r81984:What is wrong with you??? I am fine, however you are becoming increasingly less coherent every time you respond. Lay off the mind altering substances, put down the liquor, and steer clear of the narcotics for the next 24 hours. You will be amazed at the how much easier it is to think once your mind has cleared. Heck, you will probably look back on this thread and laugh out loud at some of the absurd things you have posted! | |
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r81984
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2010-Nov-15 9:35 pm
Re: While the gov't wants more warrantless spying on citizensI have been very coherent. You just seem to not care about reality. Sorry, I have never been a drug user, but I have doubts about you.
Please explain why Bush is not a liberal?
He increase spending more than any other president. Medicare (part D, remember that?), military, expanded government, gave the government more power over the people, drastically increased the debt (I bet he can't balance his own checkbook), supported no child left behind, no bid contracts for large corporations, bailed out the failure banks ran by people who have no idea how to run a business, let these failure companies push their debt onto the government, and the list could go on for pages.
What makes it worse is he was not even a responsible liberal. He did not care at all about expanding government or spending money.
Even boner admitted that republicans expanded government and carelessly spent money in the past in his fake cry speech. | |
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All governments want more warrantless spying. It doesn't matter if Obama is president or not. They really don't want citizens to have privacy; that would interfere with their spying on people. A Republican president would do the same thing or more. After all, how else can we prevent terrorism if we don't spy on citizens' everyday lives in detail? | |
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Jon5 Premium Member join:2001-01-20 Lisle, IL |
Jon5
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2010-Nov-12 2:25 pm
Though will Uncle Sam ever really act to protect consumers?No | |
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2010-Nov-12 2:41 pm
Re: Though will Uncle Sam ever really act to protect consumers?Never say never... but it will take groups of concerned consumers with wheelbarrows packed with easy cach as large as those the lobbyists like to push around the halls of Congress. So not entirely impossible, just highly unlikely... JMHO Mike | |
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2010-Nov-12 2:54 pm
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A Task Force is like throwing something in to the round fileIn Washington parlance the creation of a task force is a ploy used to shut up the press and any advocates. The purpose of any task force is to get the issue off the plates of those who can actually do something and then bury it where it will never be heard from again. The White House task force, set up three weeks ago, is led by Cameron Kerry, the brother of Sen. John Kerry (D., Mass.) and Commerce Department general counsel, and Christopher Schroeder, assistant attorney general at the Department of Justice. | |
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Re: Though will Uncle Sam ever really act to protect consumers?No.not at all.they will use this position to screw us over,take down websites they don't like, and tax us for their BS | |
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33358088 (banned)
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2010-Nov-12 2:34 pm
hahayou both mean
Privacy for those that spy on you all...... | |
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EdrickI aspire to tell the story of a lifetime Premium Member join:2004-09-11 San Diego, CA |
Edrick
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2010-Nov-12 3:03 pm
Novel IdeaHow about we the citizens actually do something, instead of sitting on our computers posting complains about it.
Hello 1970s calling did you guys loose your balls or are you just afraid to actually stand up and protest / revolt against your government? | |
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Re: Novel Idea The Privacy Czar will be a figurehead. He will be paraded around by the current administration. As soon as there is any significant issues the Privacy Czar will immediately insert his or her head up their anus. I am sure that at any government function they will be asked not to remove their hat. I don't think the kind of protests there were in the 60's and 70's would be tolerated today. If you recall every recent effort to physically protest government activities resulted in a dragnet with the arrest of both protesters and innocent people walking near the protests. That happened in Miami and other cities during the 2004 political campaigns. Between the end of the war in Vietnam and the swearing in of the Bush Administration the United States became the United Police States of America. I believe that the attack on 9/11/2001 was a scheme between the Bush Family and the Saudis with George Bush playing the same role as Lt. Milo Minderbender did in the movie Catch 22. The Saudis were deathly afraid that Saddam Hussein was planning to invade Saudi Arabia like he invaded Kuwait. The 9/11 attack was an excuse to give Bush a reason to take out Saddam Hussein. Once Saddam was out of the picture the Saudis kicked our military out of their country. | |
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Re: Novel IdeaThats right up there with the "Bilderberger controls the world " theory. One of the flaws with that theory is that Iran has been, and will be even more disruptive to the house of Saud than Saddam ever could be. I won't go into the other flaws.... | |
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| | EdrickI aspire to tell the story of a lifetime Premium Member join:2004-09-11 San Diego, CA |
to Mr Matt
That my friend is the issue, the fact that in todays world you cannot protest without being deemed mentally insane, a terrorist, or anti-american. | |
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2010-Nov-12 10:08 pm
Re: Novel Ideasaid by Edrick:That my friend is the issue, the fact that in todays world you cannot protest without being deemed mentally insane, a terrorist, or anti-american. haha right....let em keep telling you lies long enough you begin to believe them. nothing is more inate and democratic then the right to protest. In canada its part of our charter of rights and freedoms. AND we do protest. | |
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ive got and done more in your face then prolly half this board ever has done. I goto a doctor and must travel by multiple buses thorugh many cities and i always get talkign about stuff and you'd be surprised how spot on i am about stuff.
THIS would indicate there are either paid shills working against us ( its been proven politics and companies hire assholes to do just that ) IT would be nice to see a law that forbade corporations form interfering by paying people to pretend ot be real people with there own views so some rich smuck can screw us all more.
I ask harper to host another G20 in every city so a BCE store can get smashed in every city...... | |
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jester121 Premium Member join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL |
Just the other day......I was thinking we needed some more czars in DC. | |
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We should assign czar titlesWe should be able to vote on the titles of the czars. Since we have to live with them we might as well have fun naming them. | |
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33358088 (banned)
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2010-Nov-12 10:10 pm
Re: We should assign czar titlessaid by b117sat:We should be able to vote on the titles of the czars. Since we have to live with them we might as well have fun naming them. thats right talk capitalism all day then appoint old school facist titles to them like the pre communist czar titles that led to a revolution with chopping off some rulers heads.... GREAT IDEA change the president to CZAR OF the USA | |
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KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
Kearnstd
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2010-Nov-13 2:54 am
Honestly the govt cares a lot about our privacy.As long as the encryption that grants it has a nice big back door with them holding the keys so they can peek inside and see what was supposed to be private. | |
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this will work wellThey'll do some posturing and talk about generalities, and then will take billions out of our tax money and pay it to large corporations to devise methods for those large corporations to get whatever useful information they wish to obtain from citizens while protecting our privacy. | |
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Is it really the government's job to "protect consumers"?I don;t think so...you set fair, attainable, and unbiased laws and let the market sort them out.
If this is done through the FTC then this is just another expansion of government. If they create a new department, this is just another expansion of government. *IF* this is to be done, it needs to be an added responsibility of an existing law enforcement body like the FBI. there's no reason at all to create yet another federal agency operating out of yet another new federal building with yet another new chairmen, head, and set of internal policies and new hires. *IF* this is going to be done, increase the budget of the FBI (or something else...) by 1/3 of what it would cost to create a new body and let them handle it. They already deal with cyber-crime...why would they create a new, overlapping agency if not to simply more Federal "employment"? | |
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FreedomBuildWell done is better than well said Premium Member join:2004-10-08 Rockford, IL |
Consumer protection from GovernmentPersonally I think it's all PR hype for other avenues of 'pay to play' & extortion. Since when id the Gov really care about consumers rights when most of the Corps are greasing our 'trusted' elected officials pockets. Seems to be a conflict of interest save for another avenue of grease my pocket and I'll get you exempted or some other nonsense... | |
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