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White Space Broadband Takes Baby Steps Forward
Google Offers Searchable Database of White Space Spectrum
by Karl Bode 08:46AM Tuesday Mar 05 2013
While we're still nowhere near the Washington Post's imaginary free national "super Wi-Fi" network, White Space broadband lately has taken some substantial steps toward more significant deployment. Google, one of several companies who'll be managing databases to protect against White Space broadband and unlicensed spectrum interference, brought their database online this week allowing users to browse available White Space spectrum near them. The IEEE has also announced that they've completed and published the IEEE 802.22.2-20121 recommended practice for installation and deployment of the IEEE 802.22-2011 standard on Wireless Regional Area Networks (WRANs) and the IEEE 802.22.1TM-2010 standard.

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FAIL

Awesome several the already challenging local stations to get in via OTA will now be impossible if someone decides to use the same frequencies for white space because they aren't on the list. But hey that means more customers for cable/satellite. I guess the fewer people you can show using OTA the easier it will be to finally kill it off for good so you can sell the spectrum.

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My zip code has only 1 of 50 channels available

If a company wants to do business in my zip code for local area internet WISP substitute(which they call a WRAN), there is only 1 channel available out of 50 channels.

But for say a hardware device that provides a house size WiFi substitute, there are 8 channels available.



So there may be markets for hardware devices for individual homes, but if you live anywhere in a metro area near a large city, the market for companies that hope to use Whitespace spectrum to start a WRAN are practically nil.



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Rural Iowa
Yes, most well populated areas will likely have minimal channels available, but take the cornfield that I grew up in and life could get interesting.

Simba7
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We have several spots in my area. The only iffy spots are near Kalispell.

This would benefit rural areas, especially tiny towns where I grew up in.
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I smell biz opportunity here

... that's potentially dead on arrival with incumbents forbidding municipalities from starting their own ISPs.

But it would be interesting to run a couple T1's in these rural areas and terminate them with wifi antennas. Sounds a lot cheaper than reselling copper.

How much bandwidth can one single 5 MHz channel provide in any given area? Doesn't sound like a lot.
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How is this used in a mobil device?

So, if I get on a plane and then get of it in some location - how does it know what space to use? Does the mobile device need the entire database in its memory? If not, is there a safe choice it can use to access the database? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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White Spaces

I don't really see the business opportunities in White Space Broadband. Perhaps if you are trying to provide 1.5Mbps to customers, but real broadband... I just don't see it. Tiny channels providing service over a larger area than existing networks with expensive rural backhaul just sounds like trouble.
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Tiny channels? Some areas have a lot of unused "tiny" channels that can amount to quite a bit of unused bandwidth. If this works as advertised, it could be an efficient use of spectrum that can potentially benefit rural areas. Regardless of what the naysayers believe, wireless is the future for the more rural areas and this could be one mechanism to deploy access to those cost prohibitive environments.
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It is a larger area to cover but it would be mostly rural. It shouldn't present the typical challenges that impose deploying a finite resource to a customer base with the density found in urban or metropolitan areas.

I could see customers paying say $20 for 1.5 MBps wifi Internet with no caps. It would be slower, but it would be affordable. In this economy, I'd say more people are letting their wallets do more of the talking.

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Each "Tiny Channel" can carry up to 16Mbps of traffic.
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That 16Mbps gets split up between a lot of customers. That doesn't leave much per subscriber. It will have to be heavily capped unless companies want a few subscribers trashing the whole network.

Exede can already deliver 16Mbps per subscriber. Other than latency and slightly higher caps, White Spaces isn't promising to do much more than Exede.

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Satellite? Don't make me laugh. Have you used satellite?

..and that's ONE channel. 16Mbps on ONE channel. Actually, according to a few sources, they say it can be up to 22Mbps.

Satellite.. Where the caps are incredibly low and the latency sucks. Not to mention the install fees and contracts. "Slightly higher caps" my ass.

EDIT: Oh ya, that's if you could get Exede. Looks like we don't have a single installer in the entire state. WTF? Also, we're not even covered (along with most of the western half of the U.S.).
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I have used satellite and yes it is awful. And I would be truly shocked if White Spaces delivered faster speeds or much higher caps. It will have lower latency, but that doesn't really matter when the caps suck. In no way do I see white spaces as being the rural internet savior the media is trying to make it out to be.

Exede 5 runs at speeds much higher than 5Mbps most of the time.

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idea

Have a city do their own rurally, and let the telco take them to court to fight it. When in court, offer the defense that incumbents have no interest in providing adequate service for fair prices and are only trying to monopolize, and not so much as prevent competition as they are preventing options for consumer choice as far as pricing goes.
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Wake me when it's over...

By the time this gets off the ground i suspect we'll have far better solutions with the regular "garbage" frequencies.

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this looks like trouble

One of the stations that I'm actually watching over the air (a more distant station) is broadcasting on a channel that shows up as available in the white space database
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