Wi-Fi Before Power?Cambodia, Laos, get wireless aid ( old news - 01:32PM Wednesday Jan 28 2004) tags: alternatives · world Portions of Laos (yet to see power or phone) now see Linux based Frankenstein PC's operated by pedal-powered generators, which deliver wireless connectivity to the region. In rural Cambodia (likewise disconnected), five modified Honda motorcycles wander a village acting as cyber-mailmen, downloading and uploading e-mail from area schools. Both projects are due to American benefactors trying to improve quality of life in the region via technology. In Laos, one of the goals of the Remote IT Village Project is to design system that would function well in a region without telephone lines or electricity, while withstanding torrential rains, sweltering temperatures, and choking dust clouds the rest of the year. They found their solution in some pedal-powered generators, a few wireless antennas and some rugged, Linux-powered Frankenstein PC's. Villagers in the remote jungle hamlet of Ban Phon Kham, Laos, had long lived without telephones or electricity, relying on word of mouth to receive news from other areas. Enter the Jhai Foundation, a San Francisco aid organization founded by Vietnam War veteran Lee Thorn, who's driven by self-imposed karmic debt, hoping to reconcile some of the damage he himself helped cause in years past. Thorn was a bomb loader for Navy warplanes that flew missions over Laos during the U.S. government's secret war in the region. Stationed on the aircraft carrier USS Ranger in the Gulf of Tonkin during the campaign, Thorn would load munitions during the day, and then thread the projector at night to show the bomber crews the effectiveness of their raids. Many of the residents of the villages his foundation focuses on were one time residents of the Plain of Jars, which according to the Jhai foundation website is " per capita the most bombed place on earth." Critics often wonder why Thorn chooses to help such a region with Wi-Fi before tackling more simple needs. According to Thorn, who has been helping develop the area's educational system, irrigation, and economy for many more years as well - the villagers specifically requested it as part of a greater communications overhaul. Thorn turned to tech guru Lee Felsenstein, moderator of the Homebrew Computer Club and designer of the Osborne 1, to help design the system. His solution was ingenious but simple. Felsenstein began with five computers built with discarded microchips and assorted parts (most of which are taken from automatic teller machines). These machines, which draw only 20 watts in normal use, and less than 70 watts when the printer is printing, are in turn connected to 802.11b hardware, which then broadcasts the signals to a server located at nearby Phon Hong Hospital and out into the big bad world. The entire Terry Gilliam-esque contraption is powered by fairly massive batteries, which in turn are attached to stationary bicycles imported from India and at least in part funded by Canada's International Development Research Council. One minute spent pedaling the machinery yields five minutes of power. A Lao-language version of the free, Linux-based KDE graphical desktop runs on the machines. In an e-mail update from Thorn last year, he notes " the odd thing is that over the last few days I have gotten new inquiries from places like Zambia and Indonesia and two documentary crews." Images from the project are available here, and are worth a look. This week's New York Times explores a similar effort underway in Cambodia. There a group dubbed "American Assistance for Cambodia" operates the Motoman project; a modern day "Pony Express" where motorcycles outfitted with wireless gear roam the village downloading and uploading e-mail for transmission to the outside world. Many of their stops have PC's and antennas powered by solar-panel. The project offers connectivity for schools, hospitals, and others in a region where the average income is roughly a dollar a day. Related:- ISPs Shouldn't Pretend To Be Content Companies
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join:2003-03-12 US | What to make of it Considering all the slow days and weird topics that pop up on ocassion I'm kinda unsure whether to call this one a joke or real.. | |
|  |   God IN Vilseck Germany Premium join:2002-07-01 Colorado Springs, CO clubs: 
| Re: What to make of it Is this a joke ?
maybe maybe not .. not sure anymore .. but anyways ...
so let me get this straight ... they have linux .. but the american benefactors will not send them food.. i dont know about you but i would much rather have no computer and food than no food and a computer -- Will Tmpchaos mod me again, not if somone else mods me first !! 50 x 50 avatars mean a better look at my avatar Forum Posts: 3400 | |
|  |  |   Ray Sills
| Re: What to make of it (Laos Linux) Clearly, the people there -have- food. They probably don't need more. But, you can't grow or gather computers & email facilities in the jungle. | |
|   bistro777 Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do? Premium join:2002-02-07 Englewood, CO | An inspiring story... ...thanks, BBR
"No man made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could only do a little." - - Edmund Burke | |
|   Ryan F Take Back The Web Premium join:2002-10-18 Alexandria, VA | Laonux? Behold the power of open source. | |
|  |  |   mrherzog
join:2001-05-06 Coquitlam, BC | Sun Spots I hope they haven't forgotten the special UPS for when them solar flares roar. Wouldn't want their sun powered pc's to fail. | |
|  |   sorne guy
@milwwi.ameritech | Re: Sun Spots they always have son power
make your kid pedal so you can get that email | |
|  |  |   Hangmn Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable Premium join:2000-04-08 Philadelphia, PA
| Hmmmm Suspect..... Let's see...introduce technology to a third world country. Let them get proficient. Future off-shoring site? I'd say this is an investment to futher deplete AMERICAN tech jobs. If I had to sow/reap daily to feed my family and someone then offered me a 9k a year job in the support industry I think I would hop right on board. Call me paranoid but I DO NOT see this as philanthropic, rather as a farming of future cheap tech labor. | |
|  |   sorne guy
@milwwi.ameritech | Re: Hmmmm Suspect..... or new places to spam from
maybe they'll do it for us in return after all our jobs leave and we become subsistence farmers | |
|  |   bistro777 Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do? Premium join:2002-02-07 Englewood, CO
| I always ready your posts with interest, but today I must disagree with your sentiments. (Or sediments if youve been drinking red wine today.) 
Cmon were talking about the Plain of Jars in Laos, an area we once bombed back into the Stone Age. You surely don't mean we should keep them there, right? If unexposed to 21st century basics like email or the Web - or, by extension, education, communication and commerce - what kind of message are we sending? And where should we draw the line - maybe stop 'em at electicity or indoor plumbing?
The Jhai Foundation is involved in much more than pedal-driven WiFi - - things such as medical supplies, medical training, children's schools and education, and sanitation in a region where Jhai claims the budget for local hospitals is $.50/person/year.
Should Laos' next generation be denied hope because they one day may compete with Americans in a global economy? W. Clement Stone wrote Hope is the magic ingredient. Should we take away theirs?
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." - - Margaret Mead | |
|  |  |   sorne guy
@milwwi.ameritech | Re: Hmmmm Suspect..... most of their "next generation" lives here in the USA
there is still a standing invitation for the rest to come here, and they can have all the electricity and plumbing they can handle | |
|  |  |  |   bistro777 Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do? Premium join:2002-02-07 Englewood, CO
| Re: Hmmmm Suspect..... Well, there are still some left that havent yet disappeared in the killing fields or been wiped-out by chemical (gas) attacks for supporting the US during the Viet Nam War: But out of a estimated 3,000,000 prewar Hmong population less than 200,000 made it to safety.
Laos' 2003 population = 5.9 million; per capita income = $320. And Laotians ranks about 25th on the US immigration chart" approx. 171k - or less than 1% of the US population.
Following the Vietnam War, certain individuals from Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos were paroled into the United States and have remained in an indefinite immigration status since. (Hmong and Laotian refugees who supported the US during the Viet Nam war were eligible to become citizens of the US without onerous requirements, but this eleibility expired in 2001.) Subsequently, Section 586 of Public Law 106-429, Adjustment of Status for Certain Nationals of Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos, provided for permanent immigration benefits to 5,000 eligible individuals from those three countries.
More than you wanted/needed to know, Im sure, but escaping from Laos and making ones way to the US is a bit harder than from, say, Cuba and look how few of them make it over these days
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|  |  |   Hangmn Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable Premium join:2000-04-08 Philadelphia, PA
1 edit | A true global economy would imply wage and labor standards. Of which there are none. How can we "compete" if my job sells over seas for a dollar a day? I am not about excluding anyone, I am however about protecting my home, my family, my job and my interests. I have a responsibility to myself and my HOMELAND first. If a country's warlords squander world help to futher themselves and their people suffer because of it how is that my or any other American's problem? Oh and if you want to see poverty up close and personal? Take a tour of the Apalachian mountains. | |
|  |  |  |   bistro777 Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do? Premium join:2002-02-07 Englewood, CO
| Re: Hmmmm Suspect..... quote: A true global economy would imply wage and labor standards.
No, it doesn't - that's Utopia and ain't gonna happen. And rather than us all getting worked up over a couple of pedal-powered PCs in the hinterlands, I would suggest perusing the referenced site to see all the charitable/noble acts being performed by this organization that do not receive much publicity...and applaud them. quote: Oh and if you want to see poverty up close and personal? Take a tour of the Apalachian mountains.
Just walk across the street from the White House...
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|  |  |  |   lakino Premium join:2003-04-03 Campbell, CA
| said by Hangmn : A true global economy would imply wage and labor standards. Of which there are none. How can we "compete" if my job sells over seas for a dollar a day? I am not about excluding anyone, I am however about protecting my home, my family, my job and my interests. I have a responsibility to myself and my HOMELAND first. If a country's warlords squander world help to futher themselves and their people suffer because of it how is that my or any other American's problem? Oh and if you want to see poverty up close and personal? Take a tour of the Appalachian mountains.
Your claims are totally contradictory. You ARE indeed all about exclusion of others. You are the very definition of xenophobia! Everything you state reeks of "me, my and myself". The poorest of the poor in Appalachian would be considered a grand "warlord" in some of the real poor regions of the world. You either are a xenophobe by choice or ignorance. The former can't be helped, so let's hope it's the latter so you can eventually be enlightened. -- Why do people like .sig files so much? Baffling to me... | |
|  |   lakino Premium join:2003-04-03 Campbell, CA
| said by Hangmn : Let's see...introduce technology to a third world country. Let them get proficient. Future off-shoring site? I'd say this is an investment to futher deplete AMERICAN tech jobs. If I had to sow/reap daily to feed my family and someone then offered me a 9k a year job in the support industry I think I would hop right on board. Call me paranoid but I DO NOT see this as philanthropic, rather as a farming of future cheap tech labor.
You are absolutely pathetic! You're not paranoid, you're just an absolute xenophobe!
It's ok to have the USA have 40,000 USD per capita income, but it's not ok to improve the life styles of people earning $200 USD per capita income.
PATHETIC XENOPHOBE is all I can say. -- Why do people like .sig files so much? Baffling to me... | |
|  |  |   Hangmn Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable Premium join:2000-04-08 Philadelphia, PA
| Re: Hmmmm Suspect..... We have that per capita income because we are a prosperous nation...People are helped best when they help them selves, like the old fish fishing thing.California is truly a screwball state hard to believe you are actually part of this country. I heard it once said that when the asylums on the east coast were de regulated they bought them bus tickets to the west coast and let them loose on the streets of California cities....still got your ticket? | |
|  |  |  |   lakino Premium join:2003-04-03 Campbell, CA
| Re: Hmmmm Suspect..... said by Hangmn : We have that per capita income because we are a prosperous nation...People are helped best when they help them selves, like the old fish fishing thing.California is truly a screwball state hard to believe you are actually part of this country. I heard it once said that when the asylums on the east coast were de regulated they bought them bus tickets to the west coast and let them loose on the streets of California cities....still got your ticket?
I don't know how you survive in the "city of brotherhood". I'd imagine you'd have been shot a long time ago given your racist attitudes toward foreigners. Not only a xenophobe, but a pretty blatant racist as well.
Considering that California is the richest state by far of the US--it would be the 6th richest nation in the world if it was considered a country to itself--I don't know where you get off saying the pure crap you spout. I guess it's more ignorant babbling from the village idiot. -- Why do people like .sig files so much? Baffling to me... | |
|   cbrigante2 Cubs 20?? Premium join:2002-11-22 North Aurora, IL
| Pedal Power It's only a matter of time before Bill Gates and his wife offer free Windows pcs to run on pedal power as well. There are 4 steps you can take to protect your pc. 1. Install a firewall 2. Install a anti-virus program 3. Install all critical windows updates 4. STOP PEDDLING!!!! | |
|  |  nasadude
join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD | good thing.... ...they don't have Verizon, or they still wouldn't have an internet connection. And of course, verizon would have sued to stop the current service from being provided, claiming it as "unfair, subsidized competition".;) | |
|   outspoken72 An Irish Jayhawk Premium join:2000-10-03
| put it in order must be a bitch to play Counter-Strike on that network!!!
but seriously....wi-fi before a sewer system or a school system...or sanitary living conditions...
if this dude wants to reconcile his Kharma debt...
send food...clothing...some lumber...
nice priorities. | |
|  |   blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05 Waterloo, ON | Re: put it in order I agree - 'karmic debt' my eye. | |
|  |  |   outspoken72 An Irish Jayhawk Premium join:2000-10-03 | Re: put it in order freaking bleeding heart liberals. you did your J-O-B. | |
|  russotto
join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA
| Da Big Picture You guys are all missing the real benefits of this thing. They're trying to attract civic-minded volunteers from the US and other well-off countries, right?
Recruiter: How would you like to spend a few months in Cambodia and Laos, building power plants, water purification systems, dams, and the like?
Prospect: Sounds very noble, but isn't living there a little primitive. No running water, right?
Recruiter: Well, no.
Prospect: No air conditioning
Recruiter: Nope.
Prospect: And no TV
Recruiter: Definitely not.
Prospect: Phones?
Recruiter: Sorry.
Prospect: No text messaging.
Recruiter: No.
Prospect: So I'm going to be living in a foreign country, where I don't know the language, completely cut off from the rest of the world, without power or running water?
Recruiter: Well, not quite. You'll still have email.
Prospect: Oh, that's different! Sign me up! | |
|   xdeadhead 220, 221, Whatever It Takes. Premium join:2000-11-08 Mechanicsburg, PA
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1 edit | give a man a fish... and he can eat for a day. give him wifi and email, and teach him to phish and then he can spam everyone into sending him cash so he can eat like a king. what fucked up priorities! if we americans wanna help people, lets do it the right way and start with the basics...clean, running water and electricity...then we can give them the things they dont need. | |
|  hman1
join:2002-01-17 Canada
| Laos Lets not be mean...I'm from Laos (never been there actually) but Laos is one of the poorest countries but its great to see that they will be getting some sort of internet service and actually learning some computers... -- Those who attack others shall be perished. 9.11 will be remembered. | |
|  raye Premium join:2000-08-14 Orange, CA | Earthlink's new outsourcing program 2 bowl's of rice/day for unlimited internet access.
Access will be down at certain periods for food breaks. | |
|   MXGOLFCPU
@amd.com
| Seriously now
You are correct in saying that it would be good if they had running water and electricity. How many of you know how to properly wire a 2000 volt transformer? How many of you know how to properly build an aquaduct? For that matter, how many of you know how to install a faucet or wire a house? You can learn how to do all of this on the Internet.
It goes back to the simple saying, you can give a man a fish and he eats for a day or you can teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.
This is about giving them the knowlege to improve their quality of life, not giving them a hand out so they become dependant on us. The problem with the poverty in the US is that these people are getting a hand out from all of us, so they have no desire to put out the effort to improve their quality of life. | |
|  |  russotto
join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA
| Re: Seriously now said by MXGOLFCPU: You are correct in saying that it would be good if they had running water and electricity. How many of you know how to properly wire a 2000 volt transformer? How many of you know how to properly build an aquaduct? For that matter, how many of you know how to install a faucet or wire a house? You can learn how to do all of this on the Internet.
Unfortunately, you can also learn how to do it wrong on the Internet. | |
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