  r81984 Fair and Balanced Premium join:2001-11-14 St John'S, NL | Movie Theaters It would be fantastic if they used this in movie theaters and it worked. -- Democrats are not Socialists any more than Republicans are. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: Movie Theaters And public restrooms, transportation, and various other venues of close quarters that noise should be kept minimal. | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters I agree, but I've seen it proved time after time that most people don't have the common decency to not be annoying. In fact, just this morning a lady on the metro answered her phone and proceeded to speak at a large volume for the duration of my ride (and probably longer after I disembarked) despite the evil glares from most of the other passengers. | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters Just using a device is annoying to some people.
I was once poolside using my iphone to check the local newspaper - no sound, no talking, just "using" my phone. Some guy gets up an leaves and says (and I quote), "Man, that's wicked annoying". I was dumbfounded... retorted that I was reading my local newspaper online and there would be no difference if I had a newspaper in my hand. He was still pissed and walked off.
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| Re: Movie Theaters said by weaver0 :Just using a device is annoying to some people. I was once poolside using my iphone to check the local newspaper - no sound, no talking, just "using" my phone. Some guy gets up an leaves and says (and I quote), "Man, that's wicked annoying". Definitely someone in need of a large dose of Valium. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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| said by weaver0 :Some need to be courteous. Some need to be tolerant. Agreed. Your situation seems over the top. Unless you're sitting next to me obnoxiously clicking on a keyboard, or mumbling articles under you breath as you read, I don't have a problem with mobile device usage given your scenario. | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters said by openbox9 :said by weaver0 :Some need to be courteous. Some need to be tolerant. Agreed. Your situation seems over the top. Unless you're sitting next to me obnoxiously clicking on a keyboard, or mumbling articles under you breath as you read, I don't have a problem with mobile device usage given your scenario. I agree. I see no difference between using an iPhone for this purpose and using a LapTop. Would that idiot had complained if you were using your LapTop? | |
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| One reason I don't go to the movies anymore is because of the white flashes coming from the seats in front and below. People, mostly teenagers just keep checking their phones for texts or something, and it is really distracting. I wonder how they even enjoy the film if they are constantly texting. | |
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| the whole "phones are used in crazy places!" scare is on the same logic level as republicans calling everything socialism.
It's our generations newfound fear: having electronic devices in places! or even more dangerous, receiving calls in places that people are doing other things! who would have thought of that! | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters dont go there with the socialism thing. if you read enough you would realize we are republic and not democracy. if you surround yourself with socialist then you are going to be associated with socialist.. -- calling a illegal alien undocumented is like calling a drug dealer a undocumented pharmacist | |
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join:2007-08-21 Evanston, IL | Re: Movie Theaters just because we are ruled as a republic doesn't mean our society is socialist. don't threadjack.
people will one day get over the fact that phones are everywhere. Thankfully the FCC doesn't allow signal blocking for cellphones at least. | |
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| said by dfxmatt :It's our generations newfound fear: having electronic devices in places! or even more dangerous, receiving calls in places that people are doing other things! who would have thought of that! Have you ever been to a classical concert? Do you understand how disruptive to everyone around you to send and receive text messages, much less take a phone call in the middle of a concert? -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters That would be no more distracting than the person having a conversation with someone sitting next to them. Does that mean we have to put muzzles on ourselves when we go to a classical concert? Of course not, we have to understand how to behave properly and if we don't, we will be warned by the nearby people or kicked out by the staff. Instead of having a knee-jerk reaction of banning something to every problem our society faces we need to work on becoming responsible and actually solving the problem. It might be a harder route initially but the results will be far superior. -- If anyone would like an invite to »www.lockerz.com, pm me. | |
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1 edit | Re: Movie Theaters True. That's why I don't see phone calls as the same problem as texting. Texting is an issue because it's a difficult issue for an usher to deal with. Believe me, I've tried to have people kicked out for texting (you can really only do it at intermission, since the ushers cannot catch it themselves during a movement). They just claim that people are sending them texts and there is nothing they can do about it, and turn their phones off, only to turn them back on the moment the moment intermission ends. The only time I ever had any success was when a group of students was texting throughout a concert. I knew exactly who their professor was, and she dealt with it. (and yes, I did quietly ask them between movements to stop, three times.) -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher | |
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| said by marigolds :said by dfxmatt :It's our generations newfound fear: having electronic devices in places! or even more dangerous, receiving calls in places that people are doing other things! who would have thought of that! Have you ever been to a classical concert? Do you understand how disruptive to everyone around you to send and receive text messages, much less take a phone call in the middle of a concert? I just got the creepy Kafkaesque feeling. Anyone ever read Josephine the Singer? When someone else disengaging from a concert is enough to disgorge another audience member's focus, we can be sure it's not all that compelling.
In other words: What really pisses me off is when people are playing their PSP or gameboy while everyone else is trying to enjoy watching the paint dry. It doesn't matter if they're wearing headphones. They fail to conform, and this stimulates deep proto-civilized pack urges in my swelling itchy brain. | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters I've witnessed some rude people talking on the phone during a movie tell the party asking them to be quiet to *uck off. After that, theater management came in and the offending party got quiet until the management left. You get the point...
Ultimately they were asked them to leave. This happened a lot in Baton Rouge and Hammond, LA. | |
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| That has happened to me a few times too. I ride the bus all the way in to DC, approximately a 90 minute ride each way. Every once in a while we'll wind up with someone who feels the urge to call one of their friends and babble on about some useless prattle in a loud voice for half of the trip. They do this, despite the signs on the bus asking you to keep cell phone conversations short, and at a low volume (if you must have one).
On the odd occasion when I've felt really annoyed by them, I've picked up my phone, pretended to dial, and then started "talking" to the "person" on the other end of my "conversation" about sitting next to an obnoxiously loud cell phone talker on the bus again.
I've also turned to the person on the phone, looked them in the eye, and said something like "I don't care about your Aunt Flo's hernia, or what type of gerbil your husband prefers with his KY-- and I'm sure most of the bus doesn't either." The one time I've done that resulted in the phone talker being red hot mad at me, with the rest of the people around getting a good laugh at that person's expense. A bit cruel, but it was right to the point and (most importantly) got them to shut up quickly. -- After listening to his UN speech, I'm convinced that Obama has a major self esteem problem and is projecting it upon the United States. He is more concerned with winning popularity contests than with keeping us safe. | |
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| As the other poster has said, this can work because with properly sized particles arranged in proper manner (nano particles in the paint, there would need to be a LOT of them) would act as a Faraday cage. Essentially this involves painting a Faraday cage rather than building one out of wire. If the particles in the paint are iron based (which it is) and arrange themselves properly they would create a Faraday cage that would block everything in designated frequency range (based on particles size, density and arrangement).
The real problem is that nano particles are going to be the asbestos of the future. You aren't going to want to paint a room with this as if the particles go airborne they will do the same thing to your lungs that asbestos does (there's already been a study showing this with carbon nano tubes). I wouldn't recommend this, because no matter how good the binding material in the paint is after it's been on your walls for a decade those nano-particles are going to start breaking lose from the binder and will likely flood the room with nano-dust and it will be as deadly as asbestos dust. | |
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| Re: Debunked? Junk Science? said by rahvin112 :If the particles in the paint are iron based (which it is) Never heard of iron based. Most I've used are copper or nickle based, and one is graphite based. | |
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| Re: Debunked? Junk Science? said by nevtxjustin :said by rahvin112 :If the particles in the paint are iron based (which it is) Never heard of iron based. Most I've used are copper or nickle based, and one is graphite based. Plus, it has to be grounded, so unless you are wiring up the paint afterward, it just won't work. Especially if you consider that painting, unless done so that everything joins, leaves big gaps for signal to get through. -- Fight Insight Ready (Was NebuAD) and the like: Click Here to pollute their data | |
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join:2006-04-18 Dallas, TX | Re: Debunked? Junk Science? There's usually a stud projecting from the plastic case where a ground lug is screwed down. | |
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| Yeah, because blocking cellphones is always great, so that in an emergency inside a theater when everyone is trying to exit at the same time you cannot call emergency services..
I am sure that will go over well...
Same goes for other public areas. The annoyances that we all feel when other people yap away the entire time pale in comparison to the need to call emergency services. | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA | Problem is people are selfish and don't care about the rights of others. You know, they don't have manners. lol. | |
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| Oh well, just another reason to not waste time and money going to expensive movie theaters to see the crap that Hollywood tries to pass off as entertainment these days.
What gives theaters the right to decide that I can't use my cell phone there? What about important calls, or if someone needs to get in touch with you in an emergency? -- After listening to his UN speech, I'm convinced that Obama has a major self esteem problem and is projecting it upon the United States. He is more concerned with winning popularity contests than with keeping us safe. | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters We just need to remember to be courteous to others by not ruing THEIR paid time. Take the call out of the theater. If the call is so important, maybe you should sit and wait for it? I mean, it's just rude and it's old. I try very hard to be considerate of other people. It's not that hard to do, really. | |
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| I don't agree at all. Being able to text on the go is vital to my day to day living. I wouldn't even be able to talk to my girlfriend when coming up to meet her. This is just me.
Now, for the people maybe trying to book a flight, talk to people to organize something, call their kid at school from the train etc.. Not a very smart idea.
It's not the cell phones or ringtones that bother me, it's the loud-assed mother*****ng moron that wants to tell the entire area their life drama that i'm more concerned with.
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: Movie Theaters Then step into the lobby  | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters said by SHARPSHARK :Or send/receive MMS. I totally agree with you. :-- SHARPSHARK You can always do that outside. No one is forcing you to stay in the theater 20 minutes before the movie starts.
Inconsiderate jerks on cell phones are reason #1 that I now wait for movies on blu-ray and haven't been to a movie theater in over a year. | |
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| Re: Movie Theaters said by Eat Me :Inconsiderate jerks on cell phones are reason #1 My wife and I made the mistake of going to a 7 o'clock movie on a Fri night a few months ago. With all of the tweens/teens and their mobile devices in the audience, the theater looked like a Christmas tree...not to mention the disruptive noise. Along with you, we won't be watching movies in the theaters again. | |
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| said by r81984 :It would be fantastic if they used this in movie theaters and it worked. Yeah I mean it would be great if me and wife were at the movies and we had the kids at home being babysat and there was an emergency and no one couldn't get a hold of us because our cell signals were being blocked. Great fucking idea. | |
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| Forget about the health issue If it is affordable, this is something I would jump on. For businesses it means they can have easy wireless access for employees without having to worry about someone across the street sniffing their traffic. I know the easy answer is "Well don't use wi-fi in business." Which is a good idea, but sometimes the benefits of wi-fi are worth the risk. For example, a warehouse using hand scanners has to have some sort of wireless network setup to quickly and easily transmit tracking data. This paint would add an extra layer of protection beyond encryption and filtering.
In my case, this paint would eliminate a lot of outside interference in my home. I have a lot of neighbors close by with wireless internet and cordless phones. There have been times where they would change the channel on on of their devices and absolutely cripple my home network. It becomes a game of stepping around them. With dampening paint, i can control what wireless signals go in (and perhaps more importantly) and out of my home. | |
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| Re: Forget about the health issue said by MightyPez :In my case, this paint would eliminate a lot of outside interference in my home. Bingo! I would love to shield my WAP from the RF blinding 23 APs that I can see in my townhouse. My radios might actually be able to communicate more effectively. | |
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| Re: Forget about the health issue said by openbox9 :said by MightyPez :In my case, this paint would eliminate a lot of outside interference in my home. Bingo! I would love to shield my WAP from the RF blinding 23 APs that I can see in my townhouse. My radios might actually be able to communicate more effectively. Go to an old house with lead paint and try out your wireless set up. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: Forget about the health issue Doesn't do me much good since all of the townhouse in my neighborhood were built in 1997. | |
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| Don't believe the mis information! "WiFi" signals present a real and dangerous threat to safety. Products like this are a godsend to people like myself who are in the know about these dangers.
I will buy any product that will decrease the WiFi dangers for myself, my life partner, and our pet ferrets. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :"WiFi" signals present a real and dangerous threat to safety. Products like this are a godsend to people like myself who are in the know about these dangers. (Emphasis mine)
Evidence, please? By accredited person(s) or companies. Not some nutjob who says WiFi affects them.
So I guess you don't use a Cell Phone, Cordless Phone, 802.11B/G, Microwave, Garage door opener or any type of Fluorescent light (The ballast puts out RF)?
WiFi "allergies" are BS and until I see a scientific study (I'd settle for a double blind study at this point!) I'll continue to believe that. | |
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2 edits | Great until you want to remove it. Lets say at a later date you want to remove it. Painting over it just won't work. A lot of scraping/patching/hard labor to do.
Next up will be cell blocking and WiFi blocking spray paint. At the rate taggers are at work in the Los Angeles area, it won't be long until no cellphone or WiFi device will work. | |
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join:2004-06-05 Toronto | Great! Ya movies are great | |
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join:2000-06-08 Glendale, CA | Blocking haha @ wifi blocking clothes. That is just too funny. This whole wifi blocking idea has it's uses though (movie theater sounds good). -- The Internet is about to go down....it is actually. | |
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Keep in mind that in Japan 99% of people carry a cell phone. Between Wi-Fi and cell signal, which one is stronger?  | |
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join:2001-12-09 Hot Springs, NC | 100Ghz? With attenuation at 100 Ghz this paint isn't going to stop cell phone or WiFi radiation... | |
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join:2001-12-09 Hot Springs, NC | Re: 100Ghz? WiFi and mobile phones don't operate at 100Ghz. Good enough for you? | |
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join:2008-08-08 Parkville, MD | How will 100GHz stop a cell phone? Cell phones are 800MHz-about 2GHz I think. Anyway, well below 100GHz.
What is at 100GHz? Light? | |
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| Re: How will 100GHz stop a cell phone? said by Eat Me :said by AstroBoy :Cell phones are 800MHz-about 2GHz I think. Anyway, well below 100GHz. What is at 100GHz? Light? 100GHz is still radio waves. Visible light goes from about 380 to 770THz Ok, still radio, but not WiFi. | |
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| question about this paint ok not to get into tinfoil hat land but isnt blocking more a word of refracting and as such would not these locations inside blocking be like intensified and what dangerous are there say being in such a ...house of mirrors i would say also what brands are these so we can let people know NOT TO USE THEM so we can make offline wireless meshes....that do not require ISPS | |
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| WiFi blocking clothes? They're just assuming that Wi-Fi is bad and so they're making protective clothing for pregnant women and children? Did they see any studies showing that Wi-Fi causes any health issues? Because I certainly haven't seen any. What they really mean is: "Some people have an unfounded fear that Wi-Fi networks are causing all sorts of health concerns. We're going to play to these fears and sell these saps a clothing line to block Wi-Fi signals that are really harmless. The paranoid get less exposure to something that wouldn't hurt them anyway and we get more money. Everyone wins!" -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar and/or a photo book. Shooting For A Cause | |
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| Re: WiFi blocking clothes? said by Jason Levine :They're just assuming that Wi-Fi is bad and so they're making protective clothing for pregnant women and children? Did they see any studies showing that Wi-Fi causes any health issues? Because I certainly haven't seen any. What they really mean is: "Some people have an unfounded fear that Wi-Fi networks are causing all sorts of health concerns. We're going to play to these fears and sell these saps a clothing line to block Wi-Fi signals that are really harmless. The paranoid get less exposure to something that wouldn't hurt them anyway and we get more money. Everyone wins!" "FUDwear"  -- I started out with nothing. Today, I still have most of it. | |
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join:2008-09-02 Stockbridge, GA | Re: WiFi blocking clothes? How about 'Snake oil' wear or 'magic tonic' wear? | |
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| From what i've read... It's anything below 100ghz. They add aluminium-iron oxide...so big surprise if you paint a room in metal it blocks signals. They've been using this sort of paint to shield the insides of electronics for decades.
The first one on this page will work up to 18ghz.... »www.lessemf.com/paint.html
100ghz is an academic achievement that doesn't mean much in the real world where all signals worth blocking are well below the 100ghz range.
Unless they make it significantly cheaper its not much of a breakthrough. "could cost as little as £10 per kilogram, researchers say." So as low as $128/gallon! Or more likely ~$300 after building a real company to sell it. Which is incidentally the same cost as it already sells for on the market for the 18ghz stuff. | |
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You may laugh now, but one wonders....
»www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/1···h-walls/
Wireless Network Signals Produce See-Through Walls
Researchers at the University of Utah have found a way to see through walls to detect movement inside a building.
The surveillance technique is called variance-based radio tomographic imaging and works by visualizing variations in radio waves as they travel to nodes in a wireless network. A person moving inside a building will cause the waves to vary in that location, the researchers found, allowing an observer to map their position.
The researchers, electrical engineering graduate student Joey Wilson and his faculty advisor Neil Patwari, have tested the technique with a 34-node wireless network using the IEEE 802.15.4 wireless protocol, according to the MIT Technology Review. By interrogating the space with signals and multiple receivers, the researchers found they were able to read the waves to detect the location of a moving object within a meter of accuracy.
The technique could be used by SWAT teams trying to determine the location of a sniper or hostages in a building or by first responders looking for signs of life in a building that is too dangerous to enter.
The responders could conceivably launch a series of radio sensors in the direction of a building, deploying them on each side and even on the roof, the researchers say. Once the nodes begin to transmit, the responders could measure the received signals as theyre transmitted to a base station.
Of course there are privacy and security concerns associated with the technology. A burglar could use it to detect if anyone is home or to scout the location of security guards. | |
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| Re: In another way I see this as a good thing said by Sr Tech :This would be useful in setting up a Hotel or business with WIFI where it would keep the signal from leaving the premise. Plus attenuate floor to floor for better channel allocation. Already in use in the business world. Places that deal with military projects have various materials built in to stop what ever threats. | |
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| Common Sense/Manners/All of the above Seems to me like many are either forgetting their manners they were taught or were never taught in the first place or are just plain inconsiderate.
Rather than punishing everyone for the problems created by the few, we should probably have extra courses in high school and middle school to teach kids the manners they should be using in 'public' places (I quote 'places' because Movie theaters and restaurants just as examples are just as public in my book. Private places would be those such as your own home). That would solve 95% of the problem which is the annoyances.
Health issues are non-existant if you do enough of your own research from factual sources as consumer devices do not produce enough power for biological damage and produce non-ionizing radiation as well. This is one good thing the FCC has done which is limiting the output power of consumer devices. The only known possibilities of health concerns is if you are climbing an active high output transmitter and to much less of an extent having a cellphone placed to your head (This is a VERY specific case and is a misnomer in 90% of cases anyway. The output power on modern cellphones is VERY low. Often limited to 1W max and nominally down around 500mw or less. Also you would need to have it be active and attached to your ear almost 24/7. And with cellphones being around for over a decade now and no known cases of cellphone radiation-induced health effects, I don't imagine seeing anything to this effect showing up anytime in the near future).
Fact is that in this day the cellphone has become a lifeline for much of the public, even those who are considerate and don't yak at full volume in the middle of a movie. As much as I'd like to knock those who are inconsiderate down a few pegs, I'd rather not punish those of us who aren't with blanket attacks such as these. I honestly think this RF blocking paint should be placed in the same group as cellphone jammers. -- I swear, some people should have pace-makers installed to free up the resources. Breathing and heart beat taxes their whole system, all of their brain cells wasted on life support.-two bit brains, and the second bit is wasted on parity! ~head_spaz | |
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| Re: Common Sense/Manners/All of the above funny these studies are from the same field who told us dont worry asbestos/mercury/radiation/opium/heroin wont hurt you it actually treats medical issues. -- calling a illegal alien undocumented is like calling a drug dealer a undocumented pharmacist | |
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| Absorb or reflect It will be interesting to see if this stuff actually(not just claims) absorbs the signal or if it merely reflects it. It would be pretty odd for it to be able to resonate (absorb) the signals across that wide of a frequency range. If it does reflect, then painting two walls (90 degrees) could make a heck of a signal reflector. | |
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| Re: Use in large apartment complex said by VegasMan :How well would this work if you used it on the outer walls of your apartment if you lived in a large complex? I live in a 300+ unit building and have plenty of interference from the 60+ signals I pick up on my laptop. Brass mesh?? | |
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| Re: Use in large apartment complex said by Corehhi :said by VegasMan :How well would this work if you used it on the outer walls of your apartment if you lived in a large complex? I live in a 300+ unit building and have plenty of interference from the 60+ signals I pick up on my laptop. Brass mesh?? Nah. A Faraday cage would be tad expensive. Used to work in one for a living and it sucks. -- In need of a Vegas vacation.
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| Re: Use in large apartment complex said by VegasMan :said by Corehhi :said by VegasMan :How well would this work if you used it on the outer walls of your apartment if you lived in a large complex? I live in a 300+ unit building and have plenty of interference from the 60+ signals I pick up on my laptop. Brass mesh?? Nah. A Faraday cage would be tad expensive. Used to work in one for a living and it sucks. »www.twpinc.com/twp/jsp/productTy···pper.pdf
Little over the top but...copper chart. | |
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