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Wi-Fi Health Weirdness Continues
The German Wi-Fi ban that wasn't...

There's been no solid scientific evidence that Wi-Fi is a health hazard, but that hasn't stopped a parade of people from trying to stop Wi-Fi deployment, usually based on absolutely no evidence of any kind. In the U.S., teachers have sued schools to derail installs, while angel guidance consultants have launched campaigns against Wi-Fi in their free time.


In Canada, some colleges have even banned Wi-Fi after equating it to "second hand smoke." Meanwhile in the UK, some say they can feel the impact when they enter a room, while others have started using Wi-Fi blocking paint (at $492 per can) and sleep under silver plated mosquito netting.

The raving weirdness in the UK isn't helped by the UK's Independent, which has a history of penning fear packed pieces about the dangers of Wi-Fi. They're back this week with a new report claiming the German government issued a ruling suggesting that all citizens avoid using Wi-Fi:
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"Its surprise ruling – the most damning made by any government on the fast-growing technology – will shake the industry and British ministers, and vindicates the questions that The Independent on Sunday has been raising over the past four months. And Germany's official radiation protection body also advises its citizens to use landlines instead of mobile phones, and warns of "electrosmog" from a wide range of other everyday products, from baby monitors to electric blankets."
Which would be really, really scary -- were it not for the fact the actual "ruling" (pdf, via) is really just a Q&A and makes no "ruling" of any kind. Those who insist on worrying despite a total lack of scientific evidence might want to invest in faraday underpants. We've heard that buying an additional pair for your head provides extra safety!
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N3OGH
Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano
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N3OGH

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But it's true It's TRUE!!!

Bart:
They can read your electronic organizer from Wi-Fi!

Homer:
Who?

Bart:
Major League Baseball, that's who!

Bart:
Smashes organizer...

Homer:
But I had Lenny's address on that!!

Bart:
THEY HAVE IT NOW!!!!!

Posted from my wireless router at home....

Cjaiceman
MVM
join:2004-10-12
Castle Rock, WA

Cjaiceman

MVM

Annoying

I wish people would grow up and look at the facts. This is just absurd. Don't always believe what you read... I like my WiFi, but I like my Gig-E better

rothan
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join:2000-11-07
Rowley, MA

rothan

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Pff.

Anybody every heard of Radio? We've been bombarded with signals our entire lives.

Digital
As-Salamu Alaykum
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Wickliffe, OH

Digital

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Re: Pff.

Yep. Now if we can get these same people to get the cell phones out of their ears ... of which really 'could' be leaking RF into their brain. (Unlike Wi-Fi.)

K3SGM
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K3SGM to rothan

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to rothan
I've been a Ham Operator for 20 years, and I ain't dead yet.

Probably been to close to 1000 watt transmitters for to long, and gotten my share of RF burns from touching live antennas by mistake.

What health problems have affected me over the years?? Asthma !!

I guess RF exposure causes Asthma now???

You might just want to completly wrap your whole body in tinfoil, or explore the possibility of Human Canning.

We can seal you up in a can, but when you run out of air it might be tough for us 'outsiders' to find a big enough can opener to get you out again in time.

At least your Death Certificate will read "Cause of death: Suffocation", and not WiFi.

GlenQuagmire
Giggidy Giggidy Giggidy Goo
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Re: Pff.

Are you sure, you better check for a third arm.

K3SGM
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K3SGM

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Re: Pff.

UH, sorry, no third arm.

But my wife likes the 3rd leg.
Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA

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Re: Pff.

That's the line back there buddy.. Please take your 3rd leg with you.. :P

K3SGM
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K3SGM

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Re: Pff.

said by Ahrenl:

That's the line back there buddy.. Please take your 3rd leg with you.. :P
Sorry, the wife won't let the third leg go.

Just ask your wife to let your 3rd leg go too.

Spells Divorce Court to me.

tempnexus
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to K3SGM
said by K3SGM:

UH, sorry, no third arm.

But my wife likes the 3rd leg.
As long as you didn't get RF burns on the 3rd leg then you should be fine...if you did then hmmm the Female connector is for RF CABLE INPUT ONLY!

K3SGM
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K3SGM

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Re: Pff.

said by tempnexus:
said by K3SGM:

UH, sorry, no third arm.

But my wife likes the 3rd leg.
As long as you didn't get RF burns on the 3rd leg then you should be fine...if you did then hmmm the Female connector is for RF CABLE INPUT ONLY!
RF Cable Input Only??? lol

Can't get burned when I'm Transmitting and She is Receiving.

I guess the FCC will have to start taxing these things now ???

tcp1
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Monument, CO

tcp1

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Re: Pff.

Ok, guys, this is TMI.. Cut it out before I have to come out there and kick you in the toroid coil.

knightmb
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said by K3SGM:

You might just want to completly wrap your whole body in tinfoil, or explore the possibility of Human Canning.
The funny thing is, if you did, that would make things worse. Ever put foil in the microwave? Yeah, that's what it would do to you, like catch on fire and stuff
whiteyonenh
join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH

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And....

What makes me wonder is if these people have ever used a cordless phone, or even a microwave. Some new baby monitors also use the 2.4Ghz band, so I don't understand the concept of arguing that Wi-Fi is unhealty.... of course many things don't make sense.

I will second the person talking about the radios though, ever owned a shortwave radio, definitely interesting being able to listen to news being broadcast overseas and see how differently it's presented to news here in the USA.

Are those shortwaves harmful? They go many millions of times farther than Wi-Fi.

FFH5
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Independent is a rag like the NYPost; don't expect better

The Independent was going broke and in 2003 turned itself into a UK version of the NY Post. That they continue to play up these stories is hardly surprising. Their readership comes from supermarket checkout counters and subway kiosks. The same people who believe the stories in the National Enquirer in the US.
cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
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WOOT

Looks like my investment in We-Sell-To-Dolts Inc. is gonna pay off HUGE. I mean they make everything for everyone, but they cater to those that can read through the government propaganda (or known as conspiracy theorists to the brain washed folk out there). They have an entire line of farady cage clothing (shirts, gloves, hates, bikinis, jumpsuits, hats, etc.), REAL tin foil hats (not the inferior aluminium foil hats), special pants, howto books on anything (like on how to convince others of the 'truth'), and plenty of free-energy machines (cause we all know the laws of thermodynamics is false).

LiberalKing
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WIFI - CANCEROUS CELLS

whats so hard to understand

K3SGM
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K3SGM

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Re: WIFI - CANCEROUS CELLS

said by LiberalKing:

whats so hard to understand
And you are probably sitting there reading this in front of an X-ray emitting CRT computer monitor.

No wait !

Just as nice, A Cold Cathode FL LCD monitor. Can't get enough of those UV-A, UV-B, and UV-C rays.

Can we get some Sun Block out here for the casual Internet Surfer ???

fonzbear2000
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LOL

the guy in the bottome pic reminds me of neil peart of rush!
»www.mikedolbear.com/Imag ··· ader.JPG

K3SGM
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K3SGM

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Re: LOL

Uh, if that is Neil he must have had some plastic surgery done??

Funny part about Neil Peart (the drummer), is that he writes most of Rush's music, but leaves you to believe that Geddy Lee is the actual composer.

Geddy is only the lead vocalist(not a bad one though).

Neil could easily dump Rush and start his own band.

Try following the reported Led Zeppelin reunion this fall.

The late John Bonham was a brilliant drummer, but you can't discount Robert Plant to be only a run of the mill vocalist, or tell me Jimmy Page sucked at the guitar either.

Greatest guitarist of the day goes for me between Jimmy Page and Jimmy Hendrix, with serious honorable mention to Stevie Ray Vaughan.
bgraham2
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Smithtown, NY

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I thought that the lack of scientific evidence was proven

These people complaining about WiFi, cell phones etc have absolutely no knowledge on the subject of radio waves or electronics or anything else probably, but are spouting off at the mouth. Now we have other people who know nothing either listening to them.

Years ago when microwave antennas were used by the telephone company no one complained because they did not really know about it. Now everyone thinks they are an expert.

In half our town we cannot get cell phone signal because some idiot woman writes to the press and goes to town meetings claiming all kinds of idiotic and unfounded dangers regarding radio waves.

Is there a real scientific study anywhere either showing or listing the power wattage of TV and radio stations versus cell and WiFi and possibly stating there is no danger backing it up with some scientific data?

As far as I know, yes, microwaves can be dangerous. Do not stick your kids in a microwave to dry them off. Also I believe some of the operators and engineers working on high powered radios and radar on ships during world war 2 had problems.
MmmPancakes
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Re: I thought that the lack of scientific evidence was proven

These dolts who complain about WiFi probably keep their cell phones in their jeans pocket which will most likely render them infertile sooner than WiFi would :P.
Dissonance
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY

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I don't pretend to know anything about wifi/radio waves ect (other than that I can use the internet in my basement now).

However my brother is a cop and was telling me they found that testicular cancer is more common in officers who keep their radios on their belts all the time. He also mentioned that the the Radar gun can be damaging too (this is according to whoever he works with in the NYPD).

Anyway my completely unqualified guess is that wifi wouldn't be a problem unless you're using your router as a pillow every night.
Ahrenl
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Re: I thought that the lack of scientific evidence was proven

Urban Myths all..

Seriously, there are gamma waves bombarding us from space since the very beginning. The most dangerous radiation on this planet comes from the sun. Stay inside and stop bothering the rest of us..

StickToTheFacts to bgraham2

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You can't prove a negative...

However, the is no evidence to support any of these folks claims that WiFi is bad for you... Not one credible study...

And the funniny thing is, I bet the people who are complaining about WiFi probably haven't considered that their cordless (2.4 and 5.8Ghz) phones would cause the same problems as WiFi (if there were any)...

Michieru_
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Anon

Sheep are sheep.

The human body emits radiation, and so does everything around us.

Here is an interesting read:

»discovermagazine.com/200 ··· e-is-rad

insomniac84
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Schererville, IN

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Does someone own a patent on it or something?

Considering money rules the world, do people have to give up their first born child to the creator of wifi in order to use the technology? Otherwise where is all this bullshit coming from. Why are people so opposed to wifi while they use microwave ovens, broadcast radio, broadcast tv, probably depend on microwave links for parts of their telephone infrastructure, live near power lines, fly on planes(more radiation exposure at high altitudes), use cellphones, etc. I guess if people still believe in religion, they will believe in anything.

lrtc6
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Toronto

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Hrmm..

It depends on the usage and the duration. If you sleep with an access point right beside your bed for 20 years with high activity then I would assume there would be some effects. I'm not one of these crazy wifi people but too much of one thing isn't good for you. This type of discussion seems pointless. I find the same comments repeated over and over and the sarcasm is incredible.
Methadras
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nuts... all of them...

these people are nuts... they are weirdos and paranoid conspiracy theorists who believe the boogeyman will come get them in his black helicopter... these people are mentally ill if not mentally deficient and have no business being taken credibly in any articulated way that involves freedom of information... they aren't contributing information, they are contributing hysterical delusions to the public at large...

Anoooon
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Anoooon

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Re: nuts... all of them...

Exactly! Why is this news?

baufan2010
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Anon

One person said

That cancer rates have been on the rise lately. But you really have to ask yourself. Is cancer increasing or is it just the fact that we have better ways to screen for it now and can more easily detect it? The same radiation they fear could help spot lung cancer on their x-rays.
Methadras
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Re: One person said

cancer rates have been on the rise because of a few factors... namely, because there are simply more people... also, lifestyle and behavior are also contributors to the rising numbers, but the #1 reason people get cancer is a propensity of genetic mutation that is passed down... put a lot of those factors together and you have a rising cancer risk... also better diagnosis of cancer will up the numbers...

i simply don't understand these lunatics can come to the conclusion with their notion that being bombarded by very low emittive radio frequency radiation will give them cancer or some other malady... They are f'ing nuts, plain and simple... they are hysterical nitwits that see danger in every shadow... their stubbornness couple with paranoia is their disease, not wi-fi... morons...

Oborus
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Vested interests?

Many of you are referring to other sources of waves that we live with day-to-day. You're forgetting that the uproar isn't over a few baby monitors or the usual waves traveling across the universe; it's about highly concentrated levels of radio signal.

I have a question for all of you: how many of you would live beside an antenna? And speaking of baby monitors: how many of you would raise a baby in a house beside a substation or radio antenna?

»www.time.com/time/magazi ··· ,00.html

But don't listen to those tinfoil FUD-rakers over at the EPA, because the evidence is disputable (for now) and I like the convenience of my cool wireless gadgets.

Anonnnnnnnnnn

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Re: Vested interests?

lol... that article is dated Dec 24, 1990!

JammerMan79
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Re: Vested interests?

lol 17 year old information, that tries to prove your point, is obviously the best information.
old_wiz_60
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Bedford, MA

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Real hazards!

Would anyone be surprised if one of those nuts quickly threw out all the wi-fi, cell phones, etc, and then sat down for a cigarette and a bottle of brandy or perhaps cocaine?

Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN

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pfffffff

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_death
Have one of those nuts read that the above then casually explain to them that 2.4ghz wifi vs all other things electronic fails to illustrate any cause for harm the same way that a fan in a room vs. every other type of breeze does not.