  nozero Eschew Obfuscation Premium,MVM,ExMod 2003-06 join:1999-12-29 InnerSanctum clubs: | Tin foil hat time? Or maybe aluminium? Until there's some scientific evidence, I'm feeling pretty safe... -- Every moment is another chance to turn it all around. | |
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 |   Dipsomaniac Oh My, Yes.
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| Re: Tin foil hat time? said by nozero :Or maybe aluminium? Until there's some scientific evidence, I'm feeling pretty safe... I'm not. Some of those people are radiating a dangerously pervasive field of stupidity and I really don't want to be exposed to it. -- Therapy is expensive. Bubble wrap is free. | |
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join:2005-02-05 Jackson, TN | Re: Tin foil hat time? Unfortunately, there is no known reliable means to block that field. | |
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join:2005-06-06 | Re: Tin foil hat time? Yes there is. Use their own tactic and sue them! Call it whatever you want, emotional distress, unfettered access to the internet, etc. | |
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 |   pcscdma Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle Premium join:2004-01-14 Winterset, IA clubs: | lead hat time It's actually lead (Pb) that blocks Government Mind Control Rays. The European Government has found this out and they are trying to get rid of it with RoHS. Stock up on the lead hats before it's too ..... | |
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Being in the electronics biz....that's funny.
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| Re: lead hat time The tin whiskers problem is huge because the tiny whiskers just act as antennas for high frequency waves and amplify the government signals. I'm surprised nobody has ever thought of this. I guess the government puts out mind control rays that tell you not to think about the tin whisker issue and you are basically screwed. | |
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3 edits | Re: Tin foil hat time? said by nozero :Or maybe aluminium? Until there's some scientific evidence, I'm feeling pretty safe... You know, I just read in either PM or PS that tin foil hats actually increase the chances or your brain being read. ;):D;) I can scan the article if you would like.
PM = Popular Mechanics PS = Popular Science
But seriously, until there is hard evidence showing it causes harm, it's just a signal. | |
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| Re: Tin foil hat time? said by Cheese :said by nozero :Or maybe aluminium? Until there's some scientific evidence, I'm feeling pretty safe... You know, I just read in either PM or PS that tin foil hats actually increase the chances or your brain being read.  ;):D;) I can scan the article if you would like. PM = Popular Mechanics PS = Popular Science But seriously, until there is hard evidence showing it causes harm, it's just a signal. Here is the article. | |
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| ...damn the MLB's satellites trying to read the information off of our PDA's...
ROFL, this reminds me of an episode of, crap I don't remember the show. Anyway, it had people that had been using cell phones constantly, and they developed huge tumors next to their ears...
Next thing you know people will be claiming Wi-Fi causes cancer. *shrugs* | |
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| Nutjobs quote: "Cordless phones, garage door openers, baby monitors - there's a lot of stuff that has used this spectrum for a long time," says Dave Dobbin, president of project planners Toronto Hydro Telecom. "If something concrete comes along and says this is bad, we will take immediate action at that time."
I agree with that but conspiracy nuts can stay away from baby monitors and not have remote garage doors or cell phones. They cant stay away from WIFI though. Not without cost.
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| Re: Nutjobs said by CableTool : quote: "Cordless phones, garage door openers, baby monitors - there's a lot of stuff that has used this spectrum for a long time," says Dave Dobbin, president of project planners Toronto Hydro Telecom. "If something concrete comes along and says this is bad, we will take immediate action at that time."
I agree with that but conspiracy nuts can stay away from baby monitors and not have remote garage doors or cell phones. They cant stay away from WIFI though. Not without cost. Nutjobs. While I agree about some items, you have to admit that they cannot get away from radio transmissions, cell towers, or how about all the radio frequencies that they are being bombarded with from satellites.. I know the signals are low but they are still there.. So maybe we shoue get rid of them all.. -- FWD#: 223611 | |
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| quote:
"Cordless phones, garage door openers, baby monitors - there's a lot of stuff that has used this spectrum for a long time," says Dave Dobbin, president of project planners Toronto Hydro Telecom. "If something concrete comes along and says this is bad, we will take immediate action at that time."
by then it will be to late your even worse off if your neighbor has 3rd party firmware on his router to get more WIFI Power | |
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| What a bunch of total horse shia't. We have been living in a world of RF fields all of our lives. You have Hamradio operators who have been soaked in such EMF for nearly a 100 years, except for problems with RF induced fevers in the late 1920's there has been no problems. The only documented problem I am aware of with RF fields in the frequencies used by the devices mentioned here is USN sailors who worked on ship board radars in the 50's and 60's developing cataracts years after the fact this because the equipment of the time was not shielded that well and the power levels where thousands of time higher. -- Low voltage Tech's are wimps, Real tech's use 45 pound filament transformers, plate voltages no less then 2400 volts with at least 10 amp's lighting 8877 triodes...BPL I'm coming to get you. | |
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join:2000-09-29 Southfield, MI | Re: Nutjobs Have you noticed that cancer seems to be on the rise since the late 1920's? I know I would never live near any high powered electrical lines. | |
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Cancer is more prevalent now because they used to die of old age before they had time to get cancer....
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| said by Transmaster :What a bunch of total horse shia't. We have been living in a world of RF fields all of our lives. You have Hamradio operators who have been soaked in such EMF for nearly a 100 years, And early pioneers in Ham radio have had health issues arise just like the military you mention, which is why there is a standard for Maximum Permissible Exposure today and Hams have to acknowledge that they meet MPE limits at their operating site when they renew licenses. Many countries also have a version of MPE requirements. Heck, even the evil commies in the old USSR had one, on paper anyway. And in our RF lab we have shielding and rules to limit human exposure to RF because of empirical proof of RF damage. I have had several co-workers over the years diagnosed with tumours that were thought (not proven) to have come from RF exposure due to the location of the tumours and the normal environment they worked in.
Now as to the affect that many Wi-Fi emitters will have, that is still an unknown, but like the Ham Radio operators of the early 1900's we will find out one way or another. -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
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 |  King75 King Of All And Nothing Premium join:2004-07-31 Stevensville, MD clubs: | I can use my cordless phone half way down the street. I can also walk down the sidewalk with my cell phone and I can point and use my garage door opener at anyone. You can't stay away from these radio waves from any device. | |
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| Re: wifi is bad for your health said by ylen131 :yes wifi and cordless phones including cell phones are bad for your health. All this device should be restricted if not banned. Car garage sends signal for 1mil of sec and is not dangerous What are you trolling for ? Red Snapper ? Or the ever elusive jackass fish ? -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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join:2001-06-21 Houston, TX | And you base this opinion on what? | |
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| why wi-fi? the number of household devices that operate using very similar, if not the SAME technology is staggering... why make Wi-Fi be the whipping boy?
i bet the same people that are lobbying against this, have cordless phones, microwaves, cell phones... you name it...
they are just uninformed, backwater morons... they don't understand what Wi-Fi is, so it must be bad. -- AMD Athlon XP 2400+ @ 2.0Ghz:MSI K7N2 Delta2 FSR nForce 2:1gb (2x512) Corsair PC3200:MSI Radeon 9600Pro:Seagate Barracuda 40gb -- AMD Sempron 64 2800+ @ 2.3Ghz:MSI K8N Neo-V nForce 3:1gb (2x512mb) GeIL PC3200 (@DDR460):MSI Radeon 9600Pro:160gb WD Caviar | |
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join:2006-02-04 Mobile, AL | Re: why wi-fi? Since you seem to think you have the right to bombard my children with your RF garbage, I guess I have a right to get a directional antenna and jam you until you quit. | |
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join:2005-05-02 Andover, MA | Mobile Faraday cage, check! We already use mobile Faraday cages, cars. | |
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1 edit | Re: Mobile Faraday cage, check! The glass doesn't block much though, except for maybe UV rays.
Even if they did ban it in the schools, WiFI will probably also be transmitted from somewhere else nearby!
Honestly people should be more concerned about the pollution that their cars put out! I guess they enjoy that smell of exhaust. Must think its ok to breathe in! | |
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| Re: Mobile Faraday cage, check! said by macrospect :The glass doesn't block much though, except for maybe UV rays. Even if they did ban it in the schools, WiFI will probably also be transmitted from somewhere else nearby! Honestly people should be more concerned about the pollution that their cars put out! I guess they enjoy that smell of exhaust. Must think its ok to breathe in! Exactly ! Why worry about waves when there is so much more to worry about! Hell look at the pollution all the people throw in rivers ! Or what comes out of the big companies when they burn fuel to produce heat or to manufacture. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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| Bells to follow now Wow why didn't the Bells think of that long ago. "WiFi will cause your children brain damage!" That would be much more effective at eliminating competition in the wireless arena than anything else. Heck they could probably eliminate small WISP's with pretty little effort.
Just because something has no logical backing doesn't mean people wont buy into it. People don't want to exercise their minds, or use reason/login to find truth.
That's what those politician, and lawyer people do. Not us. | |
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  Time Premium join:2003-07-05 | ......... This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. I guess AM/FM radio waves cause brain damage toO! | |
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join:2005-10-07 Brockville, ON | riiiiight hahaha. amusing!
I have to agree with the general consensus here myself. I feel pretty safe to use my cordless phones, cellphone, and yeah, WiFi.
Things like this never cease to amuse me | |
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| Re: riiiiight The only one that bugs me is cell phones because I saw the cutaway of a rat's brain that was exposed to cellphone radiation in Popular science and it had a huge tumor (I also hate it because my dad won't shut up!!!)
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| Aluminum foil hats for anyone? What about cell phones and cell phone towers, CRT TVs, Cordless phones, garage door openers, baby monitors...
I understand that RF radiation can sometimes be an issue... but Wifi is a drop in the bucket. They should just re-paint their walls and ceilings in aluminum paint or have the exterior of the house insulated with aluminum foil... Even better make aluminum foil hats! | |
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join:2001-07-25 Rancho Cucamonga, CA | Re: Aluminum foil hats for anyone? But then all that aluminum will give them alzheimers disese..
You just cant win..
Where's all the "AM Radio killed my baby!" headlines??
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join:2005-05-26 Annapolis, MD | Re: Aluminum foil hats for anyone? Not to mention then they will sue the school for aluminum poisoning. LOL
I think this was cooked up by the wiring industry after a drop in Cat5 and Cat6.  | |
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| said by TearAbite :But then all that aluminum will give them alzheimers disese.. You just cant win.. Where's all the "AM Radio killed my baby!" headlines?? Check The World Weekly News archives.
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| What a bunch of BS! In the US alone i haven't heard of a case of WiFi Health risks at all, hell you go to a McDonald's and Wifi is installed as you munch on your burger! i think some canucks up there is taking the issue too far out of hand, don't get me wrong i am sure there could be some device that may be out of their respected spectrum and out of safe levels but that can't be based on that ALL RFI/EMI or other devices is the same. other wise, get rid of satellite's in space, cell phone towers, satellite's dishes, and cell phones and cordless phone and go back to the stone age! | |
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| Re: What a bunch of BS! said by Galford :other wise, get rid of satellite's in space, cell phone towers, satellite's dishes, and cell phones and cordless phone and go back to the stone age! There are a number of my (idiotic) fellow canucks who do want that. They believe they suffer healthwise from too much RF in the air, more specifically due to the RF generated by the cell phone towers. In Toronto, there are no very few, if no, dead spots where a signal cannot get to - plus these towers are littered all over apartment building roofs. The point of their complaints is that not enough research has been done on this subject, and they are looking to push Health Canada into doing a thorough study.
But to be fair, just because no study has found any higher than normal cellular or DNA degradation due to higher than normal RF in the air does not mean it is not happening. If it is - tinfoil shielding just MAY be the way to go.  | |
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| Re: What a bunch of BS! I recently became an uncle and love my niece dearly. I was shocked to hear that 50% of all children born today will die of cancer... It's been argued that being exposed to more chemicals, at a higher concentration and earlier in life would contribute to this sad fact. These are concentrations judged "normal" or "acceptable" according to north-american laws and standards... Couldn't the recent increase in RF radiation (last 10 to 20 years) contribute to the demise of our health without us knowing it?
Recent medical developments having contributed to elongate life expectancy, could possibly have masked the effects of "modern" life on our life expectancy and health... Who knows really. Really!
Having said that, I still think banning Wifi is ridiculous. It's an insignificant drop in the bucket. | |
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| Hooooaaaa! (foghorn leghorn voice) "Now wait a minute!"
How do we know anything about long-term exposure (years vs. calculated lab hours)? Look at the EMF/RFI/EMI from those 'shroom' ac/dc bricks. My old CRT screen would wiggle near one. Or that every household computer and laptop needs these bricks. Are they shielded? no. Are their warning labels? no. Are you absolutely sure that the population is 100% safe? There is speculation about sterility due to the proximity of the RF. And never walk in front of a microwave antenna...look at the pigeons lying around (seen these on a roof top once...scary)
We don't know. Do you? For example, asbestos was the wonder product for insulation and fire protect. No one knew about until it caused lung cancer, mesothelioma, and asbestosis. Or the increase in leukemia to those in proximity to hi-tension wires.
And now we are finding that the actual innoculation drugs babies are given contain mercury, and might be the reason for autism.
And what about all the low-level radiation from cell towers, microwave transmitters, or even satellites (slow warming of the atmosphere), increase in amount of cellphones, and wifi equipment?
Seriously, you cannot ignore this. No one has done a study of the effects of ALL the low-level radiation at once.
"Does my hershey's kiss hat look crooked?" 
Look, I'm no idiot. I know about the tissue tests (and how our mass of cells would need much exposure to damage...but not everyone is the same. And what is needed to trigger that rogue gene?) Nor would I want to scare folks that the sky is falling (But damn the US government for censoring scientists for alarming the news when a close call is there), but I think that we have some companies that will push their products through to get money (think Drugs like Vioxx...). Capitalism is great, but at what price.
Irks me you damn folks that have concern. Canadian or not. | |
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| They're Right! OMG! I've had a wireless network in my house for several years. All my hair fell out, my testicles dropped off, my teeth started growing backwards, and fingernails dropped off.
Oh, wait a minute.
No they didn't.
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  woody7 Premium join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA | hmmmm...... This reminds me of the of the flouridation of the water scare quite a few years back, what a bunch of hooey..... -- BlooMe | |
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POE
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1 edit | You wanna feel RFI? GO HERE Head up to the Empire State Buildings observation deck, if your a hsp (highly sensitive person) you'll notice it right away, reminded me of standing in front of my 16-element 2meter yagi checking swr while a friend fired up the 160watt amp thru it:o woohoo what a feeling lol:p | |
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| Bigger risks I love it how these morons can pick and choose their danger de jour, yet they conveniently ignore the dangers we know are out there. Let's see...
1. Cigarette smoke: Not only is this dangerous for the people doing it, but second-hand smoke is dangerous for everyone.
2. Automobile exhaust: Cars, trucks, and other vehicles are some of the biggest polluters out there. It wouldn't be terribly hard to replace many of them with public transit. Not only would pollution be decreased, but we'd all be spending much less time stuck in traffic.
3. Industrial pollution: Factories churn out tons of industrial waste every year, stuff that we have to find somewhere to dispose of. Why aren't we requiring them to change their production methods so they make less of it?
4. Nuclear waste: This stuff will be around for thousands of years, it can kill or cause radiation poisoning. yet we keep making more and more of it.
5. Our diets: If you've seen the movie "Super Size Me", you'll know what I mean. If you haven't, go watch it. Our diets are often times terrible for our health, yet people are getting fatter and fatter.
I'd love to see how these folks would respond to this, assuming, of course, that they even have the mental capacity to comprehend it. If they could, and if they were being truthful, they'd probably say, "Yeah, but these problems are hard to solve, and solving them would mean I'd have to alter my lifestyle, and I don't want to do that. I'd rather find something that's easy to do, so I can pat myself on the back and feel like I accomplished something." | |
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| tin foil, ready... or maybe you guys dont like an individual "thinking" about "stuff" for too long a period of time.
""...except for problems with RF induced fevers in the late 1920's there has been no problems.""
lmao...pretty vague and quik summation of a terrible epidemic that was known as other types of "sickness" back in the '20s...
Hey, maybe we do need the tin foil! dumbass. I remember many years ago the whole powerline/cancer lies the big-companies used to talk about...yea, those lines didnt really cause cancerous-anything, or am i standing too close to my router? | |
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  coxengr Premium,VIP join:2002-03-09 Atlanta, GA | Power levels I dealt with this a few years ago with my wife. My research indicated that cell phone signals are about 20x stronger than WiFi. Anyone know anything different? | |
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 |   alphapointe Premium,MVM join:2002-02-10 Columbia, MO clubs: | Re: Power levels Most cell phones top out at 600mw. Most wifi transceivers top out at 100mw (but you're not likely to see one actually running at 100mw without smoke wafting off the radio) | |
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join:2003-07-26 Kalispell, MT | Re: Power levels "Most cell phones top out at 600mw. "
ANALOG phones. Digital phones are 200mw average power | |
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| Re: Power levels However with a cell phone you usually place it next to your head. since the intensity drops at the square of the distance, 2-3 feet or more (more typical of wi-fi) makes a a big difference in the cumulative radiation you receive. I don't favor adding wifi or other RF ANYWHERE due to the added RF, UNLESS wired is not possible/impractical. but these parents would do better to take the kids cellphones away (or severely limit their use/on-time.) also taking the stereo out of the kids car, enforcing basic good driving rules, will probably save more lives than this will. | |
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| Second hand smoke? Last month we reported that one Canadian University banned Wi-Fi on campus, the College's president likening Wi-Fi to second hand-smoke. In other words, he believes that Wi-Fi on campus will be banned in spite of the lack of any credible study that shows it to cause harm to anyone. | |
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join:2003-01-14 Riverside, CA | Microwaves I think I am more concerned with cellular phones, microwaves, and power lines. | |
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join:2006-02-07 Jacksonville, FL | Re: Microwaves can we all say these people are...
DUMBASSES and probably have no knowledge of technology at all...i mean what about their own cellphones??? and cell towers?? | |
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join:2006-02-07 Jacksonville, FL | can we all say these people are...DUMBASSES and probably have no knowledge of technology at all...i mean what about their own cellphones??? and cell towers?? | |
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