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join:2001-03-27 Lawrence, KS | Re: radiation is radiation? I'm with the homeowners association... block out the sun too. Darkness rocks.
F*cking morons. | |
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Who would take this nutcase's word for anything?
I'd like to add this to the discussion: if 1W Wi-Fi AP's, and 50W cell phone base stations are so dangerous, how come there's all these 3,000,000 W EIRP UHF TV stations operating all these decades, with no ill-effects?!
I guess the angels like watching Oprah so much, they protect us from the deadly TV rays(?) | |
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| Re: Check out www.theangellady.net Are you sure there are no ill effects. Maybe her insanity was caused by a UHF station. For that matter maybe we are all insane, besides I would be more worried about AM stations. Proximity to the antenna is much closer. Maybe she walked up and grabbed an AM tower when she was young. | |
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| Re: Check out www.theangellady.net said by Maxo :said by rfnut :Maybe her insanity was caused by a UHF station. My guess is good ole fashion crack rock. It works every time. Nah it was Woodstock!!! Summer of love ftw! | |
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| Re: radiation is radiation? Oh, this site is tasty. These people should take a high school class in writing. They break so many rules.
Any device or system that emits radiation is hazardous to your health. I hope these guys don't use flashlights.
Most scientists have concluded that radiation causes harm to humans on all levels: mental, emotional, and physical. Most scientists don't study radiation, so this statement is false by default.
As scary as it seems, chronic exposure to Electromagnetic Radiation, will definitely harm your children. Again, too inclusive. "Will definitely" is definitely poor word choice with the only intent of creating fear.
Monumental consequences to the city and its citizens could be caused by a virus being introduced into the system. Easily the best line on the whole website.
This site should be used to help define FUD. -- "Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter
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| said by Maxo :As scary as it seems, chronic exposure to Electromagnetic Radiation, will definitely harm your children. Again, too inclusive. "Will definitely" is definitely poor word choice with the only intent of creating fear.
I thought I read somewhere that the human body generates its own electro magnetic radiation on a small level. Oh wait, lets not forget this planet is out to kill us all, it generates its own electromagnetic radiation...... FEAR EARTH, LEAVE EARTH, EARTH KILLS!!!  | |
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| Re: radiation is radiation? said by Tomek :I also wonder how many of them have wireless phones at home. 2.4GHz is the most common if I'm not mistaken. The only people who have a valid excuse for making anti-wifi statements are amish, And watching the news after the school shooting tradgedy, the amish were using laptops. -- Josh | MySpace | About Me | |
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| Re: radiation is radiation? said by PhoenixAZ :said by Tomek :I also wonder how many of them have wireless phones at home. 2.4GHz is the most common if I'm not mistaken. The only people who have a valid excuse for making anti-wifi statements are amish, And watching the news after the school shooting tradgedy, the amish were using laptops. Milk and Cream is a serious business, the amish from what ive heard are pretty modern in the barn(phones, computers and refrigeration), but maintain tradition in the home. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: radiation is radiation? said by Kearnstd :said by PhoenixAZ :said by Tomek :I also wonder how many of them have wireless phones at home. 2.4GHz is the most common if I'm not mistaken. The only people who have a valid excuse for making anti-wifi statements are amish, And watching the news after the school shooting tradgedy, the amish were using laptops. Milk and Cream is a serious business, the amish from what ive heard are pretty modern in the barn(phones, computers and refrigeration), but maintain tradition in the home. yeah, but they aren't afraid of the radiation coming from it  -- Josh | MySpace | About Me | |
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| said by Maxo :You should see their website said by »healthyhomealliance.com/ : These Wi-Fi transmitters function at 2.45 GHz, which is like being surrounded by a microwave oven without walls or doors. This is like arguing that two 9V batteries are more dangerous than a 12V car battery. Two nine volts ARE more dangerous than a 12 volt car battery. It's very hard to get your tongue across *both* terminals on the big car battery... | |
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| Re: radiation is radiation? A 9V has enough mA to kill you, your skin just is not the best conductor. At least one person has died from a 9V powered Ohm meter and prongs pierced under the skin --
You can't make all the people happy all of the time. But it should be common sense to shoot for the majority. | |
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That infamous sailor stuck metal probes into his skin and evidently touched a nerve. Even a watch battery could cause damage under those highly specific conditions. He was reckless, idiotic and a Darwin Award candidate.
However, that has absolutely nothing to do with this story. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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join:2001-02-17 San Francisco, CA | Well, there are stun guns that run off standard 9V batteries too. And a 9V dropped off the empire state building is probably deadly once it hits street level as well...
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| said by insomniac84 :Hell, if radiation is radiation they might as well live in sealed lead boxes. ...errr... Lead Poisoning!!!! Geesh What a bunch of Luddites! -- Mcfrisch(Cox HSI : Cleveland) | |
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I think that about sums up this lunatic's comprehension of physics. . .  | |
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| Re: radiation is radiation? said by fireflier :"To me, radiation is radiation" "Ra-di-a-tion. Yes, indeed. You hear the most outrageous lies about it. Half-baked goggle-box do-gooders telling everybody it's bad for you. Pernicious nonsense! Everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year! They should have 'em too!"
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| said by insomniac84 :I hope they are ready to block out the sun, turn off anything that makes visible light, stop using microwaves, tvs, anything electronic, etc. Hell, if radiation is radiation they might as well live in sealed lead boxes. You see that movie "The Others"? I'm sure the parents act the same way w/ their kids and the sun. They also probably use SPF 100 sunblock when their kids do have to go out.. lol
Anways, AM and FM, TV, Satellite, and other short wave signals are flying about.
I think they are just bored and want to waste peoples time.. I notice the USA has lots of that. -- The meek shall inherit the earth but don't forget the poor are the ones who inherit the debt. | |
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| This site is so embarrassingly silly I actually thought it was a parody at first. They can't even stay on topic as to why they dont want it. It's well worth reading: »healthyhomealliance.com/info.html
I particularly liked this ending bit of completely obvious FUD:
Is Wi-Fi dangerous? YES! Any device or system that emits radiation is hazardous to your health.
I'm surprised they don't say wifi causes communism too! | |
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| Re: radiation is radiation? Lightbulbs emit radiation. Turn off those lights!!!! 
I liked this tidbit too:
Teenagers are more at risk because their hormones are changing. WiFi made my teen moody! Hey, can I tweak my router to affect adult hormones? You know, like my wife's?  | |
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| Re: radiation is radiation? said by Jason Levine :Hey, can I tweak my router to affect adult hormones? You know, like my wife's? You will have to adjust to a higher RWIN. But your TTL will be shorter...  -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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Jenny Vinson filed a $60 million lawsuit today against D-Link, Inc. alledging her husband's wi-fi network caused his brain cancer. The complaint alleges the "wi-fi" booster along with the router caused irreperable brain damage that lead to his death. She also claims the product contributed to bouts of schizophrenic behavior that doctors later determined was a brain tumor. Harold Vinson was a computer specialist for nearly 30 years before his untimely death. | |
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i could see being worried if the TV wanted to put their Doppler 4000 by your house but wifi is totally safe. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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as Carlos Mancia would say: DER-DER-DER! | |
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1 edit | Tinfoil Helmet I just wear my tinfoil helmet. That's right, a hat just isn't protection enough. It saves me from all of the cell phones, Wi-Fi, and the aliens who created them to destroy our brains!
It's their evil scheme. Every Wi-Fi router is actually an alien space ship!
Edit: Awww, Mactron beat me to it -- If I had a dime for every time I was interrup... hang on, I need to take care of something. | |
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| said by EchoD :I just wear my tinfoil helmet. That's right, a hat just isn't protection enough. It saves me from all of the cell phones, Wi-Fi, and the aliens who created them to destroy our brains! It's their evil scheme. Every Wi-Fi router is actually an alien space ship! Edit: Awww, Mactron beat me to it Tinfoil hats enhance the signal! -- Josh | MySpace | About Me | |
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  La Luna Surviving Ashraful Premium join:2001-07-12 Warwick, NY clubs: | crazy people Is there a feedback form on that site? | |
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join:2004-04-05 Westminster, MD | HOA BS Homeowner associations generally act like this, no surprise there.
they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Yet they need to make a stink. | |
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 |   mrchris We don't miss you Bush Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | Re: HOA BS I already emailed them and asked them to stop spreading FUD. | |
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join:2005-05-16 Tucson, AZ | Stupid people shouldn't breed It is scary enough that people like this exist, but what is even more frightening is they have offspring. | |
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| Every single one of these parents...... .....needs to their tubes tied so they can't contaminate the world with more of their offspring.
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| Nutjob Parents I am a system admin a public school system. This summer we are planning on setting up Wi-Fi in our High School and Junior High School media centers. If everything works out I would like to make the whole High School wireless as our budget allows. I want to give the ability to use the Internet to students with laptops. This will help with the shortage of computer lab space since some students can use their own laptops. The last thing I need is some nutjob parents suing us because our wireless is making Johnny stupid. I sleep with an access point 2 feet from my head and I have not had any ill effects. -- Yes, its stuck in a windows this time. | |
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| Re: Nutjob Parents said by GlenQuagmire :I sleep with an access point 2 feet from my head and I have not had any ill effects. Amen, brother! Pipe that stuff right into your brain! (If only we could )
I recently added a second router to act as an AP in addition to my main router. Now I have excellent signal everywhere on my 2 acres! Oh no, I'm feeling-wait, that's the beer! -- "I invented it, Bill made it famous." --David Bradley, the inventor of Ctrl+Alt+Del. | |
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| said by GlenQuagmire :I am a system admin a public school system. I thought Megan's Law prevented that... 
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| anything under college schools, dont need laptops at school.
now if your talking teachers and such, thats one thing.
but students, thats nothing but trouble. stolen computers, and a whole slew of things only wait...
students shouldnt be aloud to have this sort of stuff on school grounds until college. | |
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| Re: Nutjob Parents said by kgeier82 :(snip)students shouldnt be aloud to have this sort of stuff on school grounds until college. It might help improve their spelling... too late for some, obviously...  | |
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| I like all the answers so far. About what I expected here, especially with a title that does not appear to have anything to do with proven baby deaths. Just as bad as the garbage that I read on some of the links.
Scientific evidence: Most people here are too young to remember, much less were around, when Heroin was touted as the scientifically proven perfect miracle drug, cleanses the bowls, promotes clear skin, and a host of other benefits. And don't forget certain morning sickness pills like thalidomide, scientifically proven to be safe.....at one time. Just depends on how much money is involved.
Speaking of cell phones like some folks brought up, my co-worker's neuro-surgeon told her he has seen a rise in certain tumors in people who use cell phones a lot, and on the side they hold the phone to their head. Of course, all the big money says that ain't so, and there is a lot of paper published to prove it. Oh well, he is only a doctor out west in Hick Country, and maybe was just cutting in her head to make a few dollars.
But like Seth says, I wonder how many of those anti-wifiers use cell phones or wireless home phones. Heck, even a computer network switch, mine puts out enough hash at 15 feet to badly affect my two meter radio on several frequencies that I use. -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
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| I just want to... I just want to honestly ask each and every one of these Homeowners Ass. Members if they own CRTs, DirecTV or Dish equipment, fluorescent light bulbs/fixtures, cell phones, baby monitors, two-way radios, cordless phones, and Microwave ovens. When they all answer yes to most of the devices (which they would), I would kindly inform them that I will personally disassemble the city-wide wi-fi network myself as soon as they bring all of their above-mentioned devices to a community bonfire to be incinerated!
They want a radiation free environment? Let's give it to them! -- "I invented it, Bill made it famous." --David Bradley, the inventor of Ctrl+Alt+Del. | |
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| Re: I just want to... Technically you can never have a radiation free environment. If all of the technology on earth was completely gone, actually if everything simply did not exist on earth we would still be bombarded with radiation.
Radiation is such a plain term. It is to broad. There is radiation everywhere all the time. Even in a lead box there is probably still some radiation left.
This whole thread makes no sense, why is it even being debated? Is this just to make fun of these people? They have there beliefs, let them be. Unfortunately they will not return the same favor, leave us be. | |
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| Even if they get rid of all those devices, what will they do about the small proportion of radioactive isotopes that occur naturally in their body? Like the Carbon 13 (?) that is used for carbon dating after an organism dies?
Oh, right... they probably don't believe in that stuff because it contradicts "intelligent design" theory... | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | Re: Cutting-edge hospitals hooked to Wi-Fi support Many doctors and hospitals are connected like that now. Very smart and useful system. The best part is no more waiting in the ER lobby to fill out paper work! | |
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| Naturally-occurring "background" radiation exposure
We are exposed to radiation from natural sources all the time. The average person in the U.S. receives an effective dose of about 3 mSv per year from naturally occurring radioactive materials and cosmic radiation from outer space. These natural "background" doses vary throughout the country.
People living in the plateaus of Colorado or New Mexico receive about 1.5 mSv more per year than those living near sea level. The added dose from cosmic rays during a coast-to-coast round trip flight in a commercial airplane is about 0.03 mSv. Altitude plays a big role, but the largest source of background radiation comes from radon gas in our homes (about 2 mSv per year). Like other sources of background radiation, exposure to radon varies widely from one part of the country to another.
To explain it in simple terms, we can compare the radiation exposure from one chest x-ray as equivalent to the amount of radiation exposure one experiences from our natural surroundings in 10 days.
Following are comparisons of effective radiation dose with background radiation exposure for several radiological procedures described within this Web site »www.radiologyinfo.org/en/safety/···bhcp=1#5 -- Type "miserable failure" in Google | |
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| Hospital with Wi-Fi. I work inside a hospital. We have the entire hospital hooked up for WiFi. I don't think that the WiFi is making any of our patients any sicker. And once I leave work, I go home to my WiFi network. I probably spend a good 22 hours out of every weekday (and at least 16 hours per day on the weekend) within a WiFi network. | |
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| Re: well it's illinois what do you expect? It does seem as though we are filling up with California thinking people these days. Now that power is through the roof Missouri is looking good.
I'm exposed at work and at home. I also use a WISP. I'm much more concerned about little billy making it home safe on the school bus than getting damage from WiFi. | |
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All their so-called "eivdence" is hearsay and unsubstantiated. | |
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  dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA | Satellites? Hello! Microwaves?
These people are idiots! | |
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Theres facts both sides of this argument can pull out their collective ass', IMO. | |
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  major marco Res Firma Mitescere Nescit Premium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA clubs: | Heh I nominate the Healthy Home Alliance as this month's unintentionally funny website. Additionally, a special accolade for uncontrollable hysteria based on scientific ignorance and unfounded allegations should be awarded.
Morons. | |
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| Re: Heh I agree and below is my two cents:
Quick, please send a letter to your congressman - lets let them know that we no longer wish to allow the Sun to irradiate our planet. This type of radiation has gone on long enough.
Let them know that a giant ball of hydrogen and other dangerous chemicals exists in a vacumm a mere 93 million miles from our atmosphere! Wow! In the UK thats like 149 668 992 kilometers!
As Ross Perot once said:
"You can paint a skunk yellow, throw it into a barn and call it a Volkswagen, but that doesn't make it a carnivourous plant!"
Once the Sun is eliminated, we can then persue the other radiation sources - you know, the animals, plants and matter on the ground.
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