Wi-Fi, Like, Totally Messes With My ChakrasNew Age UK town says Wi-Fi is making them sick... ( old news - 09:57AM Saturday Jan 03 2009) Tipped by Jeffrey  There's no scientific evidence that Wi-Fi is a health hazard, but that hasn't stopped those who believe otherwise from trying to stop Wi-Fi deployment, usually citing non-existent evidence. Teachers have sued schools to derail installs, while angel guidance consultants have launched campaigns against Wi-Fi in their free time. The Wi-Fi health weirdness has been just as pronounced in the UK, where the town of Glastonbury, renown for its new age proclivities, has decided to remove Wi-Fi entirely, because they believe Wi-Fi is responsible "for upsetting positive energy fields of the body, which are known as chakras, and positive energy fields of the earth, which are known as ley lines."
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Dogfather
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Dumbasses. | |
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Hudson, FL | WiFi messes with Chakras ...and radio, TV, radar, SAT TV, navigational aid (ILS, VOR, LORAN) signals as well as leakage from CATV and the use of cell phones do not??? In any case, if you have a town of totally like-minded people, it is really up to them. | |
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1 edit | Just give them a roll of tin foil Or aluminium (or in UK speak, al-lou-min-e-um) foil...then offer the community "origami classes" where they can learn a new skill and express their individuality through, ummmm, self expressive design of their "special hats"...
Otherwise this is why stoopid people should not be allowed to breed let alone become teachers.
Someone needs to remind them of a couple facts of life...first, a birth certificate is also proof of death, eventually...next, life itself causes death, so maybe we simply need to ban life once and for all!
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antarctica | Re: Just give them a roll of tin foil said by grumpy3b :or in UK speak You mean English? | |
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| Re: Just give them a roll of tin foil said by mikepd :said by james :said by grumpy3b :or in UK speak You mean English? You mean the King's English?  You mean the Queen's English (I don't think there is a King currently) | |
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: Sometimes you feel like a nut and sometimes you don't. Im sure they are frying thier brains on something more powerfull than a wi-fi router. | |
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| Actually taken down? ... where the town of Glastonbury, renown for its new age proclivities, has decided to remove Wi-Fi because they believe Wi-Fi is responsible "for upsetting positive energy fields of the body, which are known as chakras, and positive energy fields of the earth, which are known as ley lines." Got a link to that?
The most I can find is that the town has installed Wi-Fi and some section of the population wants it taken down; I couldn't find any info that it had in fact been taken down, even on the campaign web site.
FWIW, Glastonbury is prey to a lot of new-age nonsense because of its particular geography and history, as well as mythology. | |
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New Jersey | Do they have cordless phones ? Cordless phones use the same or similar freqs, DEC 6 i think uses wifi. I guess science means nothing to these progressives. | |
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| Re: Do they have cordless phones ? Actually after cordless phone manufactures abandoned the 900MHz frequency band the 2.4GHz band was used. It is the same band Wi-Fi uses. The 2.4GHz band was abandoned by cordless phone manufactures, because cordless phones caused too much interference in other devices utilizing the same frequency band, such as Wi-Fi. That is why many consumers that installed Wi-Fi replaced their 2.4GHz Cordless Phones with 5.8GHz Cordless Phones. DECT cordless phones uses frequencies in the 1.9GHz band. | |
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1 edit | Re: Do they have cordless phones ? Not quite. The government gives the public frequencies to do with as they will. Cordless phone manufacturers just happened to be first to mass market use of the frequencies. However, they did not "abandon" the frequency because it interfered with any other use of the frequency.
If I were to guess, they abandoned 900MHz because 2.4GHz was the new hotness. And they jumped to 5.8 because 2.4 was the same frequency as microwave ovens. Plus 5.8 was higher than 2.4 and they could market it as better. Plus they tended to make all 5.8GHz phones digital, while only part of the 2.4 phones were. But its all marketing. They could have made more 2.4 digital and IIRC 900, 2.4, and 5.8 are all still available for use.
Oh and yea, the public frequency power limits are much much less powerful than a cell phone. | |
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| DECT 6.0 is the US variant. DECT (no 6.0) is the UK variant. Both use frequencies in the 1900 band (close to what PCS cell phones use), not WiFi/2.4 GHz.
I sometimes wonder if WiFi is giving me a headache, but I never seem to get headaches around microwaves (microwave ovens to be clear) so that can't be the case.
Seems odd that the particular 2.4 GHz frequency would disturb these people, and 1.9, 0.9, etc. wouldn't...
Solution: have these people pay to outfit their neighbors with dual-band routers/wireless cards, and have them use the upper (5 GHz) band. If there's still problems, they need to get lives. If not, problem solved 
As for me, I'll stick with my 2.4 GHz WiFi router transmitting 84 mW, my (and my parents' and brother's) cell phones operating in the PCS band (AFAIK) and cordless phones operating at 1900 MHz and 900 MHz (yay 900 MHz cordless phones). Then again, I can do this around here...no chakras to fry but my own for a hundred yards or so. Even then, the WiFi signal barely reaches...gotta love open spaces for WiFi signal... | |
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| Re: Do they have cordless phones ? said by iansltx :DECT 6.0 is the US variant. DECT (no 6.0) is the UK variant. Both use frequencies in the 1900 band (close to what PCS cell phones use), not WiFi/2.4 GHz. I sometimes wonder if WiFi is giving me a headache, but I never seem to get headaches around microwaves (microwave ovens to be clear) so that can't be the case. Seems odd that the particular 2.4 GHz frequency would disturb these people, and 1.9, 0.9, etc. wouldn't... Solution: have these people pay to outfit their neighbors with dual-band routers/wireless cards, and have them use the upper (5 GHz) band. If there's still problems, they need to get lives. If not, problem solved As for me, I'll stick with my 2.4 GHz WiFi router transmitting 84 mW, my (and my parents' and brother's) cell phones operating in the PCS band (AFAIK) and cordless phones operating at 1900 MHz and 900 MHz (yay 900 MHz cordless phones). Then again, I can do this around here...no chakras to fry but my own for a hundred yards or so. Even then, the WiFi signal barely reaches...gotta love open spaces for WiFi signal... commercial broadband radio services at 2.5 GHz | |
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| Seriously... I honestly can't believe some of the banana oil you drench these news items with. Wi-fi is an advancement in technology as a hovering car. Its a nice idea but no more than that it furthers nothing and it hinders nothing...stop watching tv, and stick with facts of what wi-fi can and cannot do. Stop wasting time criticizing people for not needing useless things. | |
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| WiFi, crude oil, nut and berries I will be the contrarian to what is posted so far.
Humans did not know that certain mushrooms were bad to eat until one was eaten. Now, the way it worked was something like this: Person eats mushroom and say, "that is good!" Another human goes and eats a different mushroom that looks similar and dies. But wait, since one mushroom was good, maybe something else killed the man, so someone else eats the same type of mushroom and dies. Okay, not all mushrooms are good. The old style method of testing was to eat and die or not. The same went for nuts, berries and that black liquid seeping out of the ground.
According to Wiki, cell phones and microwaves fall under the same general frequency alignment. So that could explain for me, why bar style phones make my ear hot.
I guess we will see over the coming years the sort of brain cancers that develop from cooking your brain with radio waves in the same range as a microwave. Or maybe some finger cancers will develop from test messaging. I guess we are all part of a great experiment.
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2 edits | said by tao :I will be the contrarian to what is posted so far. Awesome! I respect that.
said by tao :Humans did not know that certain mushrooms were bad to eat until one was eaten. Now, the way it worked was something like this: Person eats mushroom and say, "that is good!" Another human goes and eats a different mushroom that looks similar and dies. But wait, since one mushroom was good, maybe something else killed the man, so someone else eats the same type of mushroom and dies. And we've seen this effect with everything. Take, for example, what is sometimes known as mosquito tones. They work on the principle that the human ear naturally hears in a range, but that the top of the range of a developing ear is a higher frequency than the range of an older ear. These mosquito tones are sometimes used on purpose -- to discourage kids from loitering around convenience stores -- to allow kids to receive calls and text messages without alerting an adult. Since not everyone can hear them, it's safe to say that some people may own/run/install devices that emits these tones without their own knowledge.
Another aural effect is the sub-audible hum. This tone or vibration is below the range of most, but not all, human detection. It has been traced to large industrial fans, in some cases, other hums have defied explanation. Making the problem worse is the physics of low-frequency sounds -- they defy simple direction finding (this property is one reason why your theater system likely only has one woofer and it really doesn't matter where in the room you put it).
said by tao :According to Wiki, cell phones and microwaves fall under the same general frequency alignment. So that could explain for me, why bar style phones make my ear hot. But you shouldn't rule out other explanations before blaming your phone for nuking your ear. When you're talking on a bar-style phone, your body is heating it from room temperature toward body temperature.
If you heat an actual brick to nearly 100 degrees and press it on your ear, does your ear feel hot? Sure it does!
Now take a microwave-safe shot-glass of room-temperature water, put it on the phone receiver, and turn it on for an hour. Take its temperature again. If the temp still matches the room, then you're probably not cooking your ear with your phone.
said by tao :I guess we will see over the coming years the sort of brain cancers that develop from cooking your brain with radio waves in the same range as a microwave. Or maybe some finger cancers will develop from test messaging. I guess we are all part of a great experiment. I'm persuaded that wi-fi is non-harmful. I'm also persuaded that sometimes, people actually do detect things that others cannot. Without explanation, fear is the expected result. These aren't necessarily luddites or others out to block progress.
I think we should pay attention to these people. First, let's test the theory that they can tell when it's on. If they can, then let's figure out why. It's probably not 2.4 GHz, but is there anything in the generation of that 2.4 GHz signal (amplifiers, power transformers, etc.) that could be emitting tones. Could these tones be non-fundamental (e.g. harmonic overtones or, more likely, undertones) of the 2.4 GHz signal or the equipment that supports it?
The main lady in this story runs a health-food store in a new-age town. This is the herbal medicine, tin-foil hat, flush-out-your-toxins crowd. Cancer-causing wi-fi should be good for their businesses, but they'd rather chase it out of town. So I don't immediately jump to the conclusion that they have a hidden agenda, here. I think they're really and actually concerned.
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| Re: WiFi, crude oil, nut and berries said by funchords : I think they're really and actually concerned. I poked fun re "Planet Niburu." But, it is true that there are a lot of things taken seriously today that were previously made fun of. An example is holistic/naturo-pathec medicine. A faculty member at Harvard school of medicine was fired in the '70s for teaching that a patient's health (or recovery) can be influenced by their own state of mind. Today, that same school teaches trancendental meditation, acupuncture/pressure, eastern herbal medicine, etc.
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| well the basics of why are simple physics.
The unit translates radio frequencies into
voice, video and data. I'm doing so, the
unit emits heat from silicon and thermal
plates added to the processor and ICU's.
Also capacitors produce allot of power.
The heat pressed up into your ear forces
the heat to penetrate. Does this harm?
FCC says low RF emissions do not cause
health risks under FCC rules, and applications.
Further research is needed to provide a lower
power consumption device ( already under development)
that used 80 percent power, without decreasing
range. In some instances it is heat alone that
wears our parts. I imagine anything depressed
into one face could cause issues. Mine are people
on the phone driving and eating, or putting on
makeup, talking and babysitting.....
your home is already saturated with hundreds of signals...
and they just keep creating more things..... | |
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Monroe, MI | Re: WiFi, crude oil, nut and berries Hey Cowthief!!! | |
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| People have called me crazy, but I really do thing wireless messes with certain people. Especially based on proximity.
I've heard the arguments - cell phones/cordless phones do the same thing as do microwaves - but it's not the same. Wireless is broadcasting a signal basically nonstop; it has to, in order to be available. A microwave isn't on 24 hours a day. Mythbusters confirmed that a cell phone isn't emitting at any appreciable level until the split second before a call is made or received, so that debunks that. | |
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| Re: Luddites! Actually there is a difference between psychic abilities and the chackra system that is believed to have been passed down orally for approximately a thousand years before being written down for the first time between 1200-900 BCE. Still today a very popular belief system in both western and eastern teachings. These people feel they are being adversely affected by the wi-fi. I would have to be conscience of my chackras before i knew whether or not wifi affected them, but because I am not i cannot pass judgment. But I wouldnt rule it out. | |
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North Babylon, NY | Re: This would kill me (if Wi-fi ever become outlawed) That would fuck me over on my laptop since the ethernet plug doesn't seem to work.  | |
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1 edit | Oh Wow man.......
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Whenever a community attempts to stop the rollout of broadband, it may set a precedent that would help the arguments of other hippies when they halt the rollout of broadband in your neighborhood. | |
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| Re: CELL PHONES! Yeah, seriously. These guys belong in the loony bin. I've got a friend that lives what... 100 ft. from a high powered cellular tower? I've yet to see any signs of radiation on her...
Now, if there were any REAL proof of this crap happening, it would be a different story.
If they don't want to use wireless technologies because of some voodoo belief that it affects their bodys and upsets their.. "chakras" ? Anyway, it's all fine by me, but I do wish they would stop being primates.
For now, let's all point and laugh.
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| said by keyboard5684 :What about cell phones! Dear god! The power coming off those transmitters have got to be frying us far more than WiFi is. The tower, and the phones themselves, far outweigh the 30mw that many wifi cards put out. The most I think, not legal but it is done, is 5 watts. How many watts do you think a cell tower is using? Enough to cook an egg? I agree with you. I read cell phone related news and there are about the same amount of people claiming how bad cell phones are to use. Yet, no scientific data showing that they are bad for you. We won't see any actual truthful data for a while now. WiFi is a young technology and if it is causing cancer, we won't see the results until much later. Look at smoking and lung cancer for instance. It was years until the truth came out about that. | |
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| Re: Why is it that.. said by Subaru :It's always some town in the U.K. making some news like this? Maybe Vermont is closed for a snowstorm?  | |
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Sometimes you feel like a nut and sometimes you don't.
I guess these people feel like a nut most of the time. I see we have a new crop of Luddites trying to stop progress. I am sure we will find some of these Dodo's living next a commercial broadcasting station broadcasting at 500,000 to 1,000,000 Watts effective radiated power, worrying about a Wi-Fi Router in a home next store broadcasting at 0.03 Watts. What Morons. They are probably still frying their brains with a 2.4Ghz cordless telephone transmitting at 0.6 Watts like my old Panasonic. 
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