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kudos:1 | In the case of everybody vs everybody These patent cases are getting crazy.
Which reminds me of...
In the case of Everybody vs Everybody, it looks like Stan's Dad is the only one making millions. | |
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Springfield, MO | Re: In the case of everybody vs everybody oh boy this isnt going to end well good luck them XD lol this is going to be fun to watch | |
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Cheyenne, WY | It was Kyle's dad. | |
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CWCville USA | Re: In the case of everybody vs everybody Omega should sue you for copying him! | |
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League City, TX | Wow that is alot The legal action is against Acer (2353.TW: Quote, Profile , Research), Apple (AAPL.O: Quote, Profile , Research), Atheros Communications (ATHR.O: Quote, Profile , Research), Belkin International, Best Buy (BBY.N: Quote, Profile , Research), Broadcom (BRCM.O: Quote, Profile , Research), Buffalo Technology, Circuit City Stores (CC.N: Quote, Profile , Research), Dell (DELL.O: Quote, Profile , Research), D-Link (2332.TW: Quote, Profile , Research), Gateway Inc (GATE.DE: Quote, Profile , Research), Hewlett-Packard (HPQ.N: Quote, Profile , Research), Infineon Technologies (IFXGn.DE: Quote, Profile , Research), Intel (INTC.O: Quote, Profile , Research), Lenovo Group (0992.HK: Quote, Profile , Research), Marvell Semiconductor (MRVL.O: Quote, Profile , Research), NetGear (NTGR.O: Quote, Profile , Research), Sony (6758.T: Quote, NEWS , Research), Texas Instruments (TXN.N: Quote, Profile , Research), Toshiba (6502.T: Quote, NEWS , Research), Westell Technologies (WSTL.O: Quote, Profile , Research), and 2Wire Inc.
Damn looks like they got alot of bases covered in this suit. How ridiclious can you get honestly.
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kudos:1 | Re: Wow that is alot Taking bets on everybody 20 dollars 200 / 1 odds, paypal, cash and credits accepted.
Mail your cash to:
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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | Why are they suing retail outlets. They don't make any of the products or the components involved. It just looks like another money grab by some unscrupulous patent-buying company and their team of lawyers.
And why is a Canadian company suing in East Texas instead of Canada? | |
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| | | | Re: Wow that is alot said by Romney2012:And why is a Canadian company suing in East Texas instead of Canada? The Federal Court in East Texas has a reputation of being "patent-holder friendly". I think the NetApp vs Sun suit was filed in the same place.
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Hollywood, FL | Re: Wow that is alot said by quanta:Yup, Marshall, Texas strikes again... I thought I read recently they were getting a bit tired of the bad name all these suits were giving them. | |
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| | | | said by Romney2012:Why are they suing retail outlets.
If you listened to their conference call you'd know why - attempts to negotiate a license failed, so they sued the product vendors and two major retailers to put pressure on the product vendors. They said Linksys has taken a license on the router side and Fujitsu on the laptop side and Nokia on the handset side. Those are three major players which I'm sure are sophisticated enough to determine if there is infringement. Nokia signed a license agreement with Wi-LAN for $50 million a year ago.
said by Romney2012:And why is a Canadian company suing in East Texas instead of Canada? Hello? Maybe because they are US patents?
I'm sure nobody posting complaints against Wi-LAN here has a patent they own. If they did and knew that Comcast, eBay, or IBM was infringing, would you sit back and do nothing? | |
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Toronto, ON | Re: Wow that is alot Settlements do not mean patent validity. Fujitsu and Nokia probably just paid them "go away" money.
The issue is that too often a small company holds an overly vague and broad patent and decides to sit on it for years until something appears in the marketplace that approximates some of their claims. Then they essentially try to blackmail the market leaders through patent lawsuits. | |
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Arlington, MA | Re: Wow that is alot Fraunhaufer | |
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League City, TX | Perhaps they think if they sue a lot of people one case will go their way and equal millions.
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| | | WiLan must have billions in reserve to fight the staff attorneys and legal departments of Intel, Dell and the rest. | |
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: Wow that is alot
Hatim Zaghloul CEO of Wi-Lan a modern day corporate robber baron. |
said by GoodDog:WiLan must have billions in reserve to fight the staff attorneys and legal departments of Intel, Dell and the rest. No They don't have billions this company is worth 44 million
and has ten employees. their stock is worth 3.99 a share. Below is all of the dope on this company.
They are just setting up for patient blackmail.
»finance.google.com/finance?q=TSE:WIN
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Springfield, MO | Re: Wow that is alot wow he even looks like a slime ball | |
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| | | | | | Re: Wow that is alot WATCH IT elios... you'll get sued too. That is VERY RUDE!
The guy in the picture is not even the current CEO, and his name is NOT Hatim Zaghloul.... That's an old picture of Sisso ElHamamsy.
The guy is a genius and if you GOOGLE his name you'll see he has over 50 patents in is name at GE!
You're not dealing with flakes here! | |
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Cheyenne, WY | Failure to read....... I would suggest you read the the link I included
»Re: Wow that is alot
According to this information Hatim Zaghoul is the Chairman of the Board, Jame D. Skippen President, Chief Executive Officer & Chief Legal officer, Director.
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| | | | | On paper this company is worthless. This stock fell from 5 bucks to a dollar then was pumped back to 5 bucks. I know i know you can get away with murder when you're listed in Canada like with Bre-x and yes this in my view is nothing but a scam just like Ballard. Why this stock hasn't gone to zilch already is lies just like ALL the Canadian companies on the TSX report all lies as there is no accounting rules or a body such as the SEC in America to enforce these rules. Hint short all high tech stocks in Canada and you'll end up weathly beyond your dreams. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Wow that is alot I wonder which share holders got more screwed? Enron or Bre-x?
Idiot! | |
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Nice research, pal. Thats a picture of Sisso el hamamssey , Not Hatim. BTW Hatim is Chairman of the board and JIM SKIPPEN IS CEO.
Tmurphy,
Where do you get your info from pal? Wi-lan has 30+ highly skilled employees and is worth more like $440 M.
I hope the defendants lawyers are a slack ass as you guys are. | |
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Bottom line is GE most likely owns those patents. | |
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kudos:5 | Missing from that list though is Cisco/Linksys. They were gone after back in 2004. Anyone know how that case ended up? | |
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: pffftttt.... Next it will be the patents for speaking, thinking and breathing.
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Or better yet , why don't the lawyers who like to file this stuff cease and desist.
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| | rradina
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Chesterfield, MO | I know the sitcom Boston Legal is not reality but one of their episodes tried a case where a doctor claimed to own a particular patient's genes. I don't recall specifics but the case dealt with the patient's genes holding the answer to a medical cure. The doctor patented it and the patient sued saying it was their genes and someone else cannot make such a claim without their permission.
The physician was not painted as the bad guy. He wanted to give the cure to the world. The patient wanted to retain the right for a money grab.
In my opinion, if such a case did exist, the patient should have the right to exploit their body. Athlete's and smart people are allowed to exploit their excellence for money. Why is this any different? | |
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Toronto, ON | Re: pffftttt.... In the US, you can patent genetic material if you engineered it. So you can patent custom breeds of dogs or man-made DNA. But you cannot just patent someone's naturally-occurring genes like in the show.
In Canada, you cannot patent DNA, but you can patent the genetic procedures or therapies in creating custom DNA. | |
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| | Suing people who sue people for patent infringement patent Greetings,
I think I will patent a process for "suing people who sue people for patent infringement".
Then I can sue everyone suing and be rich!!!
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Springfield, MO | Re: Suing people who sue people for patent infringement patent IBM is working on that one... | |
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Dallas, TX | Story needs a "patent troll" tag Because in this case, Wi-Lan are definitely of that ilk.
Let them try - they'll get no where with this ridiculous
and frivilous litigation of theirs.
Then again, calling them patent trolls might encourage
them to sue for defamation.
I wonder, are they going to use Dozier Internet Law
(cybertriallawyer.com) as counsel?
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Out of the 3 Patents that Wi-lan is suing, 2 of them Wi-lan created.
Trying doing some research for you speak | |
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Orange, CA | What, no Cisco/Linksys? Perhaps Cisco gave them some money to go away. | |
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Gautier, MS | No Motorola..? Pfft, my Netopia 3347NWG has wireless built-in...
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kudos:1 | WiLan dies They have no chance to win against all those companies combined and only a slight chance of winning against one.
It'll probably turn around to where all those companies countersue WiLan into oblivion. | |
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| | Dedicated Site looks like they turned their website into their litigation updating page. Hell they say they have patents on DOCSIS, CDMA, DSL, V-Chip, and others. Way out of control. | |
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| | | You ain't seen nothing yet pal! it's PAYBACK Time to the thiefs who have noregard for IP RIGHTS.
You wouldn't dream of building a cottage on somebody else's land without checking title first. Why would you ignore IP rights before you build a product? | |
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Niles, OH | Yeah good luck. I'm sure the judge will rule in favor over the little bitch crying. | |
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| | Sue Everybody Nedd a Job?, Nah... Need some money? Just Sue, Its the American way, RIAA Sue's everyday people, Verizon Sue's Vonage, Dish/DTV Sues Cable Companys & Vice Vers, Companys Sue's other Company's , Dont earn your Money,While sueing your neighbor can pay for it...Hell, Im going to Sue the Internet, cause I'm on it to long, and dont feel like working... | |
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Saint Paul, MN | Re: Sue Everybody I'm starting to feel like a social outcast since I havent sued anyone or been in any type of lawsuit.
I was thinking awesome they're going after 22 companies! But the article was short and undetailed. pbbbt
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kudos:5 | Re: Sue Everybody said by Chuckles:I'm starting to feel like a social outcast since I havent sued anyone or been in any type of lawsuit. you better hurry up and get someone before they get you first! It's always better to be on the receiving end of the money. | |
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Lakewood, OH | sounds like advertising to me
In addition to our licensing program, Wi-LAN is engaged in the acquisition of valuable patents and patentable technologies in existing and adjacent markets under our Technology Acquisition Program
form thier site
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Lakewood, OH | Re: sounds like advertising to me Im tired of everyone suing everyone so everyone feels just to keep up you need to sue everyone.
Kinda like everyone is cheating so in order to just keep up you need to cheat.
just wrong.
Patent reform time? not anytime soon i bet.
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"Wi-LAN (TSX: WIN) is a leading technology licensing company. Our strong and growing patent portfolio applies to a full range of products in the communications and consumer electronics markets. Our experienced management team is implementing a two-pronged strategy: to sign licenses with every company who uses our patented technology and to acquire new, valuable patents to further strengthen our portfolio."
This just another patent troll, I wish congress do something about it but with the trial lawyers filling to campaign trough I do not thing anything will be done. | |
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| Re: Check out their web iste What we need is a sell a patent lose the rights to it type deal. If a person has a patent they should be hired by the company and used or they should be payed a licensing fee. Once sold the patent should go into the public use.
That would stop these companies , or make it expensive for them to patent troll.
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North Babylon, NY | ? Microsoft and Apple are not on the list, why? | |
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Forest, OH | Re: ? Look up a few posts, some lists all of those being sued. Apple is there. I'm guess Microsoft isn't because they don't make hardware, though I'm surprised they're not on the list. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: ? Last I checked, Best Buy and Circuit City also don't make hardware. I don't even think that they sell their own brand of routers do they? | |
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kudos:4 | Re: ? According to the statute, the patent holder has the right to prevent others from making, using, selling or offering for sale the patented invention. | |
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kudos:5 Reviews:
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| Re: ? said by Goober:According to the statute, the patent holder has the right to prevent others from making, using, selling or offering for sale the patented invention. I would agree. However there are far easier (read cheaper) ways I think for the patent trollholder to prevent the sale of an infringing product.
With the case of retail sales, I would have thought that Best Buy and Circuit City would only be the tip of the iceberg on companies to prevent retail sales. Wal-Mart, Amazon, CDW, etc should be on that list. Plus, an injunction against the manufacturers, presuming it's is approved, would be far more effective in recalling products from all distribution points, not just two retailers.
It also would be pointless for Best Buy and Circuit City to license the technology because even if could, if the underlying manufacturers didn't the products would still be infringing. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: ? Unfortunately there are many possible reasons for their actions. I have to deal with patent trolls every single day and I'm sick of them. | |
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| | MY patent This is too cool!!! Having recently patented the letter "a", the way I see it: this thread alone is worth millions. Hurry up and settle with me now or my lawyers will be contacting you. | |
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1 edit | I PATENT patent trolls! All the businesses who exist as patent trolls owe me billions. Wi-Lan and every other patent troll, pay up!
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| | | Re: I PATENT patent trolls! Too late. IBM already patented patent trolling ("A method of extraction of value from a portfolio of assets" or some similar thing) | |
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join:2001-03-23
Milwaukee, WI |  They are probalbly doing it because of this....
The judges in that district sound like complete ass-hats.
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | *sigh* here we go again. Seriously this stuff is beyond old now.
Buy patents and sue for profit, what a business model!
The sad thing is all the idiots who back these types of fellows including the justice in Texas.
On the surface this might look like a David & Goliath type of deal where the meager Wi-Lan is fighting to defend their valuable intellectual property rights.
In fact all these have ever been about is extortion via patent litigation, nothing more.
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| | Do your DD, I have been following Wi-lan for over 10+ years. They have single
handedly changed the wireless world as we see it today.
They are the Qualcomm (cdma) of the OFDM world.
Plenty of the posters on here are saying they have never heard of
Wi-lan.... Well whats new? Are any of you successful investors ? Not
likely.
There is a reason why some of the most influential people in todays
tech world are invested in this little gem.
DO your DD, resorting to calling this company a patent troll is just
palin irresponsible and just plain lazy.
Weather those of you against Wi-lan's lawsuit complain to your hearts
content , those and many others not named in the lawsuit will end up
paying for what they have stolen.
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| elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Do your DD, o rly
stolen huh
hard to steal some thing when you dont know your doing it
this crap of people buy patents and sitting on them is BS
if they were so worryed about this why sue now?
this stuff has been around for YEARS
there needs to be a limit on how long you can wait to sue
wait to long and you forfeit your right to sue | |
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join:2006-10-17
Elyria, OH Reviews:
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| Re: Do your DD, said by elios:o rly if they were so worryed about this why sue now? this stuff has been around for YEARS there needs to be a limit on how long you can wait to sue wait to long and you forfeit your right to sue because they just obtained the patents would be my guess:
OTTAWA, Canada – September 13, 2007 - Wi-LAN Inc. (or "Wi-LAN") announced today that it has acquired a portfolio of 10 issued and pending U.S. patents which are essential to multi-mode and multi-standard communication devices.
Another intresting snippet:
“We believe these patents have several claims that would be infringed by most cellular handsets sold in the United States today,” said Andrew Parolin, VP Business Development. “What is particularly exciting is that we believe GSM/Edge cell phones, which is a format used by most GSM phones sold in the U.S. today, will require a license.” | |
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I love the investing philosophy: "I've never heard of them, so they must be losers who think they know what they're doing, but they'll obviously lose big because have I mentioned that I've never heard of them?"
15 years ago, when the world was excited by the new 486 computers, Wi-Lan was obtaining patents for their INVENTIONS. Multiplexing the frequencies used in wireless transfer of data. Wideband OFDM. Invented and patented in the early 90's. Long before the technology could be implemented. It was that far ahead of the industry.
Stop reacting with such fear! If Wi-Lan is such a puny runt, why attack? Isn't that what bullies do? | |
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