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Offers Ka-band bandwidth thanks to Echostar
04:00PM Tuesday Aug 11 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: satellite · business · alternatives · bandwidth · HughesNet Satellite Broadband · WildBlue
It took a very long time for satellite broadband operator WildBlue to get their first satellite into space, and it wasn't long after that the company quickly began suffering from capacity issues. Back in 2007, resellers for satellite broadband company WildBlue informed us that the carrier had frozen new orders because they were struggling with capacity. This week the carrier says they're adding additional capacity which should help them with some of these capacity concerns -- for now.

According to a new announcement by WildBlue, the company is adding additional capacity in the form of Ka band capacity bandwidth reserved on EchoStar's AMC-15 satellite. The additional bandwidth will be used to serve WildBlue customers in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia and Arkansas. That bandwidth only went live this week, roughly five months after the company signed the deal with Echostar.

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Wildblue currently offers broadband in three flavors. The company's "Value" tier offers 512kbps/128kbps speed for $49.95. The company's "Select" tier offers 1Mbps/200kbps for $69.95, while the company's "Pro" tier offers 1.5Mbps/256kbps service for $79.95. All three tiers require a two year contract.

WildBlue caps users with what they call a "fair access policy" (FAP). According to WildBlue's FAP (pdf), each tier comes with a thirty day usage limit, which, if crossed, results in users being throttled back to 128kbps downstream and an astonishingly painful 28kbps upstream. Select customers can consume 7,500MB downstream and 2,300MB per month, while Select and Pro customers are restricted to 12,000MB/3,000MB and 17,000/5,000 respectively.

Historically, neither WildBlue or HughesNet's limits have increased with added capacity, as that capacity is expensive and fills up quickly. Both companies also benefit from a captive audience of broadband subscribers who have no other option, meaning that high prices, sketchy service, and very low caps are generally the norm. Check out our user reviews of both WildBlue and HughesNet broadband service to see what we mean.

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Cap?

WOW - now *that* is a cap!

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Re: Cap?

7.5 GB a month is pathetic
What's the point of broadband speeds if you can't use it?
Might as well just use dialup. With dialup you could get 15GB a month.
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Re: Cap?

You can watch YouTube in real time over WB. You can't do that over dialup.

Also, I've seen a few WB users now who use just a few GB per month.

Then again, I'm sure they would use more if they had a decent 'net connection.

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said by r81984 See Profile :

7.5 GB a month is pathetic
What's the point of broadband speeds if you can't use it?
Might as well just use dialup. With dialup you could get 15GB a month.
Still better than many EVDO plans. I just had to upgrade service with Millenicom because the regular service that uses Verizon towers just started a 5 GB cap. Most months I could live with the 5 GB, but I wasn't taking any chances.
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Re: Cap?

and they have a cap as well. They just don't tell you HOW much is too much.
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Re: Cap?

If your provider isn't selling you a T1, a T3, an OCx or another type of specifically "dedicated" (active optcal network or otherwise) circuit you can bet that there's a limit out there that you can reach without max'ing out your speeds 24/7, after which your provider will cut you off. Whether that limit is crazy-high or not is another deal altogether. But I think it's safe to say that Millenicom's Sprint-based service will letyou download/upload more than any residential (Hughes/WB/Starband/Skyway/etc.) connection out there.
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Ya no joke, and you still have people crying about cable company having caps!! This gives it a hole new meaning, But what can they do but wait for new technology to one day replace it.
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That's why it's so hard to sympathize with Comcast customers upset by the 250G cap. To WB users that's a pipe dream.

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Re: Cap?

said by ShellMMG See Profile :

That's why it's so hard to sympathize with Comcast customers upset by the 250G cap. To WB users that's a pipe dream.
Don't you mean a DREAM PIPE?
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Re: Cap?

I realized I'd set myself up after I hit the "post now" button.

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Re: Cap?

Like one of these?

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I hate when that happens!!!

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Capacity?

How many people at 1.5Mbps/256kbps does it take to max out a satellite?
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Re: Capacity?

according to the website they have 400k users

in order for all of them to have unlimted 1.5mbps no caps theyed need around 600 gig of satellite capacity

i doubt that the averge satlite has avegre of 30 gig of internet potential

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Re: Capacity?

I found an article that says a Ka band satellite planned to launch in 2010 will have 70 gigabits per second capacity.

That would be about 46,000 people maxed out on a 1.5mbit connection.
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Re: Capacity?

said by r81984 See Profile :

I found an article that says a Ka band satellite planned to launch in 2010 will have 70 gigabits per second capacity.
That would be about 46,000 people maxed out on a 1.5mbit connection.
That's a bit misleading because that is referring to the newer DirecTV / Dish sats that have spot beam functionality for frequency re-use.

AMC-15 is an older satellite that is CONUS-only, and Dish only has a license to operate a handful of transponders at the 105W orbital slot. (I believe they can only operate 16 out of 32 transponders on the sat) Wildblue appears to support 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 QPSK and 2/3 and 5/6 8PSK modulation downstream, so that limits their total capacity per transponder to 20-45 mbps.

Assuming they were able to license all 16 transponders, that nets them 320 - 720mbps in increased capacity.

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Re: Capacity?

They have their own satellite WildBlue-1.
They lease Anik-F2.
And now they lease part of AMC-15.
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said by r81984 See Profile :

They have their own satellite WildBlue-1.
They lease Anik-F2.
And now they lease part of AMC-15.
The last 2 are only partial leases. Anik F2 is also used for StarChoice (Shaw Direct) TV service for Canada. So they only have a lease on a few transponders on that sat.

At best, they might have 2 - 3gbps total downstream capacity across all 3 sats.

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Re: Capacity?

Don't forget only AMC-15 is full CONUS.

WildBlue-1 has 35 Ka spot beams.

Anik-F2 has 4 spot beams (38 transponders), but I am not sure if WildBlue is utilizing them or not.
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Re: Capacity?

said by SterlingJ85 See Profile :

Anik-F2 has 4 spot beams (38 transponders), but I am not sure if WildBlue is utilizing them or not.
True, but transponder space on F2 was only temporary until they could get WildBlue-1 launched. Their lease with Telesat comes to an end in a few months, and Shaw is already planning on grabbing those transponders to increase their HD channel capacity.

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Re: Capacity?

Ummm, no...
There is no spot beam on WildBlue 1 that adequately covers the east coast, so there is no way that the can end Anik-F1. I Install Wild Blue and there is not a single customer in my area is pointed at WildBlue-1. Also to all the people talking about leased transponders and maximum bandwidth on those transponders, keep in mind that WildBlue uses Ka Bandwidth not Ku Bandwidth. The 32 transpoders you guys are talking about is how the Ku Band is subdivided. Don't know exactly what the capacity is per beam, but it could be completely different from per transponder and spot beam for Ku.

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Re: Capacity?

Just an FYI for anyone that is reading:

»www.wildblue.cc/wb1.jpg
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Re: Capacity?

said by Spice300 See Profile :

Wildblue's lease of spot beams on Anik-F2 is for the lifetime of the satellite.
My apologies, you are correct. Wildblue has a lifetime lease on the Ka band transponders on F2, it is the Ku band transponders that are becoming available for lease to Shaw in 16 months.
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said by zed260 See Profile :

i doubt that the averge satlite has avegre of 30 gig of internet potential
I LOL'd when I read this!!
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now if someone would rebuild this to work like the Mifi!

now if someone would rebuild this to work like the Mifi!
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Been There, Done That

One of the primary reasons I left Wildblue was the latency. I started with Value Pack, they lopped 25% bandwith off ALL packages, and was forced to upgrade and pay more for the Select Pack, which gave me 10G per month.

I'm not going to talk about FAP. Been there, done that, and I'll haunt coffee shops with WiFi if it becomes my only option again.

As to the latency, it grew more and more problematic with real-time software applications. Many Flash sites wouldn't work and with web development catered to cable the problem was growing worse.

WB is expensive any way you cut it. The hardware itself is expensive ($200 when I signed up). You run a good risk of a bad installation which will hurt your ping and download times. You'll also be given a new hobby -- monitoring your "FAP-o-Meter," especially if you have kids who surf.

It's a last choice before going to dialup.

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the subject says it all.

I had the service for 3 years. We moved houses just to get off this system.

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Stratellite?

What the heck ever happened to Sanswire's Stratellite project? Satellite is crap and easily overloaded thanks to thousands of people trying to share the same connection simultaneously. Stratellite looked like it was going to fix the problems that satellite suffers from (capacity + latency), but I haven't heard anything new about it in years...

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratellite

It's a VERY cool idea in my humble opinion, and if someone could get a deployment going I'd probably try to get a job with them.

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Re: Stratellite?

said by Telco_Tech See Profile :

What the heck ever happened to Sanswire's Stratellite project? Satellite is crap and easily overloaded thanks to thousands of people trying to share the same connection simultaneously. Stratellite looked like it was going to fix the problems that satellite suffers from (capacity + latency), but I haven't heard anything new about it in years...

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratellite

It's a VERY cool idea in my humble opinion, and if someone could get a deployment going I'd probably try to get a job with them.

- Tate

I have been saying the same thing for a while...I don't understand why this hasn't taken off yet!!!
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Re: Stratellite?

said by Siryak See Profile :

I have been saying the same thing for a while...I don't understand why this hasn't taken off yet!!!
Verizon and ATT paid ever gangmember in the state to shot it down on sight for a kilo of coke. You'll never know where the bullet came from.

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Re: Stratellite?

A very good description!

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the company that owns them, Globetel is anything but reputable from what I remember. They got in trouble for defrauding investors and I expect they're own faults will keep them grounded. Plus it may have been too good to be true.
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I'd move

I guess for their customers' Internet is not as important as electricity, as I would never buy, live or move into a house that did not have at least a cable Internet access/options.

I would fair to guess Internet for the majority is just as important as electricity?

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Re: I'd move

before renting or buying a house I would check to see who services the area for dsl or cable. no dsl no cable no move plain and simple.
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Well

In Japan last year they launched super-high speed (asymmetrical) satellite internet for rural Japanese who didn't have access to fiber connections.

It's called Kizuna satellite internet, and it actually is capable of providing internet access to people in 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region.

From one article:

Interested users, regardless of their location, only need to simply install a small antenna in their house or apartment that will allow them to "receive data at up to 155 Mbps and transmit data at up to 6 Mbps."

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Re: Well

said by sonicmerlin See Profile :

In Japan last year they launched super-high speed (asymmetrical) satellite internet for rural Japanese who didn't have access to fiber connections.

It's called Kizuna satellite internet, and it actually is capable of providing internet access to people in 20 countries in the Asia-Pacific region.

From one article:

Interested users, regardless of their location, only need to simply install a small antenna in their house or apartment that will allow them to "receive data at up to 155 Mbps and transmit data at up to 6 Mbps."
How much latency?
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You guys know how I gripe about satellite being used as the solution for broadband already... Do I even have to post ?
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Re: know me

Nope, satellite can never have enough bandwidth to be a complete solution, but it works as a fail safe and can sometimes work for those hard to reach places, but it still costs an arm, a leg and another arm for your usage fee.

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gg 50,000 ms latency

I laugh every time I see the HughesNet commercial.

So easy to install and so fastnot that you'll be forced take a vacation when you download a 1MB file with the 50,000ms latency!
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No budge. . . . .

on the FAP? *meh*

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Broadband for all

Until we have a national broadband policy and a non half-assed effort to wire the entire country with DSL, cable or fiber, or have a good wireless terrestrial option, satellite is the only option for a number of people.

yes, it sucks, but it's also better than nothing.

We'll see if 4G LTE makes things any better but I'm doubtful since the cities will probably get it first and the rural areas will be last as usual.

So satellite users will be FAPping right along... or not.
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Re: Broadband for all

Yeah, the democrats have all the answers! to the wrong questions.

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a month?

No thanks 375MB a day for Hughesnet is better then 12,000MB a month.

*beep* that, I dont wanna get FAP the whole month!
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Re: a month?

Rollin' rollin' rollen', though your downloads' swollen, keep those downloads rollin' Wildblue!

Seriously though, the 30 day cap is a rolling one, so you can use 1GB for 11 days then back off your usage for a bit and not get FAPed. Which is nice when a service pack rolls in and you have a couple computers that need patching. Vista SP2 was ~350 MB, so two computers and you've killed your daily FAP on even the highest HughesNet tier. On WB you've made a dent in your usage pool for the month but you aren't going to get slowed down to nothing.

Granted, Hughes has a free period for downloads, but speed during that time is not guaranteed and the low daily limits (vs. WB's comparably priced tiers...WB's monthly caps outpace HN's daily ones at every price point) make things like internet radio not-so-hot ways to kill your daily cap.

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