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Many carriers can't properly support the systems they have now...
(old news - 12:17PM Tuesday Dec 30 2008)
tags: legal · Fileswapping · business · cable · consumers
Lets face it, it's a nightmare to get adequate support from many of the nation's largest ISPs. Call centers are stocked with poorly trained, outsourced representatives reading from scripts, and it's sometimes impossible to get them to fix even the most rudimentary of problems without it turning into a multi-week descent into technical support purgatory. That's what makes the RIAA's new plan to make ISPs content nannies (who terminate your connection upon repeat piracy offenses) a little scary. If many ISPs can't even support their existing infrastructure, will they be able to track pirates and address grievances for the falsely accused?

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As we mentioned back in October, Cox already has the RIAA's system in place, e-mailing heavy P2P pirates with a warning, walling off Internet access for repeat offenders, and in some rare cases, terminating the connections of those who don't comply. Cox informs customers (see right) that this is their responsibility under the DMCA, though in reality the DMCA requires no such thing.

Cox is playing the RIAA's wet nurse as it allows them to reduce congestion by targeting the heaviest P2P users, though Cox advertises the system as something substantially more helpful. "This notification is the most helpful thing we can do for the customer," a Cox spokesperson told me. "If they don't realize the RIAA or another organization has identified them as possibly infringing on their copyrights, they might get sued instead," he claims.

Cox was among the first ISPs to employ "walled gardens" for users whose systems are infected with malware, cordoning off those customers from the broader Internet until they get their systems cleaned. The practice clearly gives them the experience to do the same thing to pirates. So far, other than a few instances of miscommunication, Cox's systems haven't resulted in a lot of complaints by our regular users-- yet. Cox so far says they've only had to terminate less than 1% of user connections for repeat offenses.

However, Cox is usually ranked slightly higher than many other carriers when it comes to customer satisfaction. Charter Communications has trouble tracking their own technicians in the field. Verzion and Verizon Wireless frequently can't fix even the smallest billing errors. If you ask their customers, Sprint can't do much of anything correctly of late. Can these carriers handle playing Internet babysitters? And these are large carriers. Can small ISPs afford the support costs of playing Internet police for the entertainment industry?

Are you confident that your ISP can track P2P pirates, manage the notification process for repeat offenders, and handle the grievance process should users find their connections incorrectly terminated? Can they handle playing content police for both the RIAA and the MPAA?

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Will Being RIAA Lapdogs Make ISP Support Worse?

Uhm, yes. Anytime you take an overseas "support" rep, who speaks English as a butchered 3rd language, who's only real "skills" are being able to read from a script, and give them MORE duties...you are going to make things worse.
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Re: Will Being RIAA Lapdogs Make ISP Support Worse?

Well, while they may speak with an extremely heavy accent, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the grammer and quality of the english many of those overseas people use. The only problem is the thick accent which makes it difficult for many to understand.

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Can ISP handle being the cop on the beat?

can track P2P pirates
YES

manage the notification process for repeat offenders
YES

and handle the grievance process should users find their connections incorrectly terminated
NO. This is where they would fall down. Escalation within Comcast's support system is abysmal. While mistakes would likely be few, IF a mistake was made, correcting it would be a massive chore for the end user.
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Re: Can ISP handle being the cop on the beat?

said by LiamJunket See Profile :

Escalation within Comcast's support system is abysmal. While mistakes would likely be few, IF a mistake was made, correcting it would be a massive chore for the end user.
*Users*.
After a few of these mistakes, if this ever happens, the PR nightmare will certainly change the ISP's position of being a the hitman.

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Re: Can ISP handle being the cop on the beat?

said by dadkins See Profile :

After a few of these mistakes, if this ever happens, the PR nightmare will certainly change the ISP's position of being a the hitman.
I think Comcast has shown a lot of tolerance for their own terrible PR ---

»www.multichannel.com/article/CA6471668.html

»www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/···eadaches

»Comcast Plays PR Patty Cake

»valleywag.gawker.com/tech/great-···4212.php

»seekingalpha.com/article/55999-c···ightmare

»www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=522179

»www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2···r-gaffe/

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Re: Can ISP handle being the cop on the beat?

Old news, plus what was the outcome of all that Sandvine crap?

You of all people should know it was erradicated because *SOMEONE* threw a wrench in their machine.

Here we are today and thanks to that great guy(*wink*), connections are peachy again.

This is a whole new level of bad. One I doubt they want to be a part of.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Old news, plus what was the outcome of all that Sandvine crap?

You of all people should know it was erradicated because *SOMEONE* threw a wrench in their machine.

Here we are today and thanks to that great guy(*wink*), connections are peachy again.

This is a whole new level of bad. One I doubt they want to be a part of.
i thought it was a hammer at a local office? =)
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yea ISPs would end their three strikes if the PR risk was people jumping to the other guy who isnt as strict. id rather as a major ISP owner piss off the RIAA then loose customers because a mad RIAA costs zero dollars and lost subs add up.
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The great thing is that a lot of the people that work in tech support for companies like Comcast use P2P, so they will just turn a blind eye to whatever the RIAA or MPAA say.

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TK, I don't think that they would be able to handle your first two points. It would be easier for Comcast to just negotiate a settlement, than put up with the headaches this will cause.
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No they can't

The ISP's can't do any such thing and if they try then oh dear god help us

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ISPs - Because the DOJ wisely refused to persecute fans ...

Remember that the studios wanted the feds to persecute users with civil enforcement and heavier fines. Congress was having none of that. Plus, the RIAA is losing its flagship precedent because it turns out that a person is innocent of distributing someone else's work until it can be proven that it actually happened.

So if the ISPs were to become the content cartel's henchmen, then they can expect those targeted by this legally inept "DMCA Notice" methodology to "react poorly" (sue) after being cut off from the net without a shred of actual evidence and no other broadband choices in the neighborhood.

When that happens, the studio is ironically not at risk because it's the ISP that took the ultimate harmful action against its own subscriber.

If the ISPs get conned into this, the studios get what they wanted from PRO-IP -- the part that Congress stripped -- a heavy price without the high legal costs or lawsuit exposure.

The studios play free here.
After all, the DMCA notice is just good faith statement -- it's not evidence of anything. It's ultimately hearsay and heuristic and does not prove that an exclusive right was actually violated.

They know that this type of information isn't enough to prevail in court -- so the ISPs are setting themselves up for the accuser's exposure here.

ISPs: Why fight the battle that you know -- in advance -- that you'll lose?

For an example that I'm somewhat familiar with, an ISP with Sandvine. If Jammie Thomas was a Comcast customer using Gnutella (she wasn't), Sandvine would have allowed the P2P network to show that she had a song. That would have been enough for the studios to use to send a DMCA notice. But the Sandvine device wouldn't allow her node to upload ANYTHING on Gnutella (it was so poorly configured, I never could upload anything on Gnutella).

Add to that the fact that pretty much anyone can advertise any IP (yes, even yours) as the holder of pieces to any file on a P2P network, whether that IP actually does or not.

That's why ISPs ought to continue to enjoy their Fair Harbor rights and simply forward the notices blindly. The studios broke copyright. They need to fix it and ISPs need to stay out of it.

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Re: ISPs - Because the DOJ wisely refused to persecute fans ...

I still don't understand where people get the idea that they have a right to broadband service, and an obligation to sue if their service gets cancelled (for whatever reason). ISPs are private companies and can do business with whomever they choose. If a customer becomes a hassle and makes extra work for my employees (i.e. forcing someone to comb through logs and print up DCMA takedown notices) then I'd sure as hell shut them down.

ISPs aren't worried about someone suing them one way or another, and they have a lot more PR power than the small band of miscreants here on the BBR news pages. Rely on them to do what's in their own best interest, one way or another, same as any other business.

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Re: ISPs - Because the DOJ wisely refused to persecute fans ...

said by jester121 See Profile :

I still don't understand where people get the idea that they have a right to broadband service, and an obligation to sue if their service gets cancelled (for whatever reason). ISPs are private companies and can do business with whomever they choose.
OK let's take away your broadband and see how fast you start to have withdrawal symptoms, and start whining about
"how am I going to see ..........."fill in the blank
with....

1. porno
2. porno
3. porno
4. Drudge Report
5. DSL Reports
6. Attack Cartoons
7. Porno
8. ladies on Youtube crushing beer cans with their hooters.
9. Mr Methane farting the Star Spangled Banner.
10.The Obama with his shirt off.

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Re: ISPs - Because the DOJ wisely refused to persecute fans ...

said by Transmaster See Profile :

OK let's take away your broadband and see how fast you start to have withdrawal symptoms, and start whining about
"how am I going to see ..........."fill in the blank
with....

1. porno
2. porno
3. porno
You had me at #1.

Having said that, it's not something I'd sue over -- lawsuits are easy to threaten and something entirely different to actually pursue.
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said by jester121 See Profile :

I still don't understand where people get the idea that they have a right to broadband service, and an obligation to sue if their service gets cancelled (for whatever reason). ISPs are private companies and can do business with whomever they choose. If a customer becomes a hassle and makes extra work for my employees (i.e. forcing someone to comb through logs and print up DCMA takedown notices) then I'd sure as hell shut them down.

ISPs aren't worried about someone suing them one way or another, and they have a lot more PR power than the small band of miscreants here on the BBR news pages. Rely on them to do what's in their own best interest, one way or another, same as any other business.
and i dont get where the RIAA thinks they have a right to con ISPs into playing policeman. its like Walmart asking EZ-Pass to somehow know a shoplifter is getting on the Turnpike and somehow stop them.
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said by jester121 See Profile :

I still don't understand where people get the idea that they have a right to broadband service ...
It isn't about a right ...
... and an obligation to sue if their service gets cancelled (for whatever reason).
It is about an obligation to deliver a service as advertised; and an obligation to prove, indisputably, that a TOS violation occurred before cutting off the service.
ISPs are private companies and can do business with whomever they choose.
Within reason.
If a customer becomes a hassle and makes extra work for my employees (i.e. forcing someone to comb through logs and print up DCMA takedown notices) then I'd sure as hell shut them down.
And I'd file a suit over that. Same reason that I, as the representative of the company that owned the store, had to have demonstrable grounds for any action I take to throw a person out of the store. There are some things that a store clerk can't say, or do, except at the risk of exposing the company to lawsuit.
ISPs aren't worried about someone suing them one way or another, and they have a lot more PR power than the small band of miscreants here on the BBR news pages. Rely on them to do what's in their own best interest, one way or another, same as any other business.
First ISP forced to reinstate a cut-off customer, and pay treble damages, they'll sing a different tune.
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Re: ISPs - Because the DOJ wisely refused to persecute fans ...

Norman, you need to get out in the real world -- you can throw anyone you want out of your store with or without cause. At least right now you can; if government continues to encroach on our freedoms this may not last.

BTW, nice job throwing "treble damages" in there to sound official, but it doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. There are specific laws that contain provisions for triple damages, but I'm not aware of any that apply to ISPs. IF you win a lawsuit you can try to get the judge or jury to award whatever amount you can get, but that doesn't mean you'll prevail, and there needs to be a legal basis for punitive damages to be awarded.

On a side note, how would an official lawyer such as yourself claim damages for a home internet connection, one that according to the terms of service is an "entertainment service"? (I think most ISPs still contain this language, right?). Just being pissed off doesn't mean an ex-customer has sustained damages.
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Re: ISPs - Because the DOJ wisely refused to persecute fans ...

said by jester121 See Profile :

Norman, you need to get out in the real world -- you can throw anyone you want out of your store with or without cause. At least right now you can; if government continues to encroach on our freedoms this may not last.
I live in your "real world", and I have thrown people out of stores where I worked. I guaranty you, I had good cause both times I did it. I also had training, from my employer, on what I could say, and could not say, when I ejected customers from the store. Had I told that one guy to leave because I thought he was going to steal my liquor, he could have, and probably would have, sued the store. And I could have, and probably would have, lost my job.
BTW, nice job throwing "treble damages" in there to sound official, but it doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. There are specific laws that contain provisions for triple damages, but I'm not aware of any that apply to ISPs.
Standard tort stuff. If you cause injury, answerable by a tort. For an ISP to TOS a customer, without a provable volaion of the TOS, is a tort action. And much of the language in every TOS I have read, is legally questionable.
IF you win a lawsuit you can try to get the judge or jury to award whatever amount you can get, but that doesn't mean you'll prevail, and there needs to be a legal basis for punitive damages to be awarded.
As I said, "treble damages" is standard tort stuff.
On a side note, how would an official lawyer such as yourself claim damages for a home internet connection, one that according to the terms of service is an "entertainment service"? (I think most ISPs still contain this language, right?). Just being pissed off doesn't mean an ex-customer has sustained damages.
Here you go:

»edit.client.yahoo.com/cspcommon/···page=tos

The only menting of "entertainment" in that TOS is "BellSouth Entertainment, LLC"; but I am not now, nor ever have been a "Bellsouth anything" customer. Bellsouth only serves the Southeastern U.S., not the Far West.

And:

»helpme.att.net/article.php?item=441&

A keyword search does not turn up any word resembling "entertainment".

While I am not an attorney, I'd for damned sure be hollering for wrongful termination of service. We have courts specifically to sort out righteous from wrongful.
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said by jester121 See Profile :

I still don't understand where people get the idea that they have a right to broadband service, and an obligation to sue if their service gets cancelled (for whatever reason). ISPs are private companies and can do business with whomever they choose.
Private company, maybe. Public Interest, definitely.

Show me a broadband company that doesn't cross public or someone else's private property or rights-of-way, including the public airwaves, and maybe I'll recognize that its business affairs are entirely private.

Otherwise, its substantial use of someone else's property -- or public property -- ought to mean that a public interest is created.
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Cox

Cox is largely doing this as it allows them to reduce congestion by targeting the heaviest P2P users, though Cox says they're providing a service.
The world hasn't heard from disgruntled disconnected Cox subscribers en masse simply because Cox has not been heavy handed about terminating access...emphasis on the yet part. I expect this to change, however, once Cox throttles subscribers bandwidth in order to stifle VOD competition manage the network.

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Really??? Seriously????

Do you seriously think the likes of Comcast, ATT, Verizon, etc wants to loose millions of dollars in revenues by playing this worthless cat and mouse game? You think they want to hand their customers over to their competitors on a silver platter? Get real. This ain't gonna happen.
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Re: Really??? Seriously????

said by smokarz See Profile :

Do you seriously think the likes of Comcast, ATT, Verizon, etc wants to loose millions of dollars in revenues by playing this worthless cat and mouse game? You think they want to hand their customers over to their competitors on a silver platter? Get real. This ain't gonna happen.
If all the major ISPs are on board with the RIAA, then it's game over for the subscriber. Although I can't realistically see any of them participating unless there is something in it for them. The RIAA would have to ante up in a big way, but I don't see that happening either.

OTOH, Cox seems to enjoy licking RIAA balls for free out of kindness & generosity, but then again, I'm sure the company sees the throttling "service" they offer as more of an ace in the hole...something to trot out if VOD competition threatens their bottom line.
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so this realy means...

isp have to sacriface paying cx cause some one said they downloaded something, i dont see this going over to well. cause if i got terminated i would sue the isp.
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Re: so this realy means...

Ya same here

but can it get worse? its already so low do they have much further to fall?

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Would you sue if, in fact, you were "pirating" copyright material?
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Re: so this realy means...

Sure The mafiaa hasn't really even won one yet so the odds would be in my favor

but this is all hypothetical of course
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how does this work for multiple users, roommates, etc?

On the subject of Cox's click through link on that picture, I know one person who got this notice and the link didn't work.

Does that link somehow verify that the actual account holder is confirming their identity before proceeding???

Also, what about disputes?

The TOS probably states the acct. holder somehow responsible for all traffic, which is impossible when others use your connection, so what if I did have a roommate or one of their friends who stopped by and used our internet for sharing a file that gets ME in trouble?

How is this going to work?

...If things are getting this nuts, they might as well give everyone in a house their own cable modem, with their own password to get online.

If they aren't going to hold every user accountable, it's totally unfair to those that didn't do anything wrong.
Then again, these companies that accuse people seem to be VERY VERY good at bothering:
-dead people
-elderly folks who can barely figure out a computer
-kids
-random people that may or may not know what they're really doing at all who might barely be able to use hotmail

so what should the "average" person have to fear with such a wonderful track record by these shadowy, unaccountable to anybody types????

Will this lead to "internet drivers licenses" in some form?

Will the falsely accused have to be "guilty until proven innocent"??? ...That's um, kind of backwards isn't it?

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Re: how does this work for multiple users, roommates, etc?

You missed the wi-fi defense. This I'm sure is going to be used a lot where people have wireless routers and they are accused of infringement, regardless of whether or not they are guilty of it.

And at least one ISP is using this as a possible out for those who deny infringement claims by the MAFIAA.

It is certainly plausible considering how easy it is to hack WEP, and even WPA is not 100% secure. And many will just run their wi-fi wide open in order to use the hacked claim as a way out of infringement notices.
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said by amungus See Profile :

Will the falsely accused have to be "guilty until proven innocent"??? ...That's um, kind of backwards isn't it?
not in a government where corporations can use their lobbying groups to effectively bend enough of the legislative body over the table to get what they want.

the real motto of capitalism in the united states should be "competition is good, until it affects our pocketbook". the **aa's are only fighting this battle because it is hurting their bottom line. record deals only help the artist in little bits; they earn their bread from touring and merchandising.
whats good for the corporation must be good for the people (isn't that the mythical trickle down effect i keep hearing about?)...

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said by amungus See Profile :

The TOS probably states the acct. holder somehow responsible for all traffic, which is impossible when others use your connection, so what if I did have a roommate or one of their friends who stopped by and used our internet for sharing a file that gets ME in trouble?

That statement is not entirely accurate, at least in the eyes of criminal law. If someone stashed drugs in your car and the cops pull you over, subsequently finding the stash, you are still liable, since you are in control of the vehicle. I don't know how this example would apply in this situation, but I could see this happening.

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Hmm Thats interesting.

Note the screen capture of the message from Cox. They say they recommend "turning off the share feature" in your P2P program, suggesting they don't want you to upload all the pirated goodies you just downloaded.
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Go right ahead with this plan!

Please ISP's implement this.

If you sue yourselves out of customers then GOOD companies will spring up to service the shunned masses and maybe we can get back to a more diverse market where the customers rights are king again.

So please, continue with your dastardly plan. I await the shunned masses so I can take another stab at being an ISP.

The only reason I failed last time WAS because of companies like Comcast and Cox playing games with local utilities commissions.

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Re: Go right ahead with this plan!

said by axiomatic See Profile :

Please ISP's implement this.

If you sue yourselves out of customers then GOOD companies will spring up to service the shunned masses and maybe we can get back to a more diverse market where the customers rights are king again.
I agree that would be a nice solution but there simply are no competitors in many markets. Some of us are lucky in that we can shun Comcast, AT&T, etc and go with a mom and pop outfit but the vast majority can not. The big ISPs know this and as a result they can (and do) treat their customers any way they wish.

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said by axiomatic See Profile :

If you sue yourselves out of customers then GOOD companies will spring up to service the shunned masses and maybe we can get back to a more diverse market where the customers rights are king again.

In theory, this would work, but in practice it is an entirely different thing. As soon as a town or other entity tries to set up their own broadband network, the telcos and cable companies fight tooth and nail to stop them and maintain their duopoly. This happens time and time again - the carrier will go to court to get an injunction preventing it.
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Cox was among the first ISPs to employ "walled gardens" for users whose systems are infected with malware, cordoning off those customers from the broader Internet until they get their systems cleaned.
I have wondered why more ISP's don't do this. One just needs to take a look at the headers of the messages in your SPAM folder to see all of the infected computers out there. Why the ISP's do not act aggressively against infected machines, especially ones that are so easily identified, is beyond me. My business ISP has been very proactive in letting us know when we have had problems in past (employees that installed unauthorized software that wound up making their systems open SMTP relays) but they are in the minority.

Just for fun, I opened a four SPAM messages in raw mode and got the headers:

Received: from pc-128-135-100-190.cm.vtr.net (pc-128-135-100-190.cm.vtr.net [190.100.135.128])
Received: from [70.99.193.3] (helo=cruisecardonline.com)
Received: from [24.102.58.115] (helo=mx1.dishmedirect.com)
Received: from [89.18.160.168] (helo=mx5.ibestcard.com)

Four infected machines that should be booted right now if the ISP's were competent enough to deal with it.

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Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

I can see them sending warnings....

but to wall off or terminate people's broadband in this day and age, no way.
Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
Eustis, FL
·Comcast
·Embarq

The RIAA must be force to change their methods.

In the mid 80's High Fidelity Magazine documented efforts by the RIAA to, by force of law, require consumer recorder manufactures to include copyright protection circuitry to prevent home taping. All music file sharing does is to give the RIAA ammunition to add more draconian copyright protection technology to new devices capable of recording music. These restrictions severely limit fair use. My opposition to copyright protection is directly related to format conversion. When laser discs were discontinued and laser disc players no longer manufactured the only way to retain certain movies was to copy the movie in question to a current format before the laser disc player wore out. The RIAA and MPAA are aware of this fact and use format change as a way to turn consumer movie/music collections to junk and force the customer pay more than once for the same product.

On the other hand when I worked for an ISP I quickly learned that issues related to violation of the law were handled by the Abuse Department in Network Operations and the Legal Department. If the RIAA believes that a broadband customer is sharing copyrighted music files they should be required to present a subpoena to the ISP before the ISP would be required to take any action. Any changes in rules regarding disconnect of service for abuse of a broadband connection should include a procedure for customers to contest the RIAA's accusations at no cost to the customer prior to disconnecting broadband service.
quatrix

join:2005-02-11
Davie, FL

What about the...

BroadbandReports anti-business lapdog?
NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC

Re: What about the...

said by quatrix See Profile :

BroadbandReports anti-business lapdog?
How can a stray on the streets be anybody's lapdog?
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

DSLTech

join:2000-12-30
San Jose, CA

not lapdogs

Uhh, RIAA lapdogs? Maybe all of the big ISPs but not the one I work for. We don't know what P2P stuff is going on and you know what? We don't care. Not only that, we don't intend on setting up means to monitor this data.

If we don't know, how can we give the RIAA what they want?

syber

@verizon.net

bring justice back

Both the RIAA and Directv sued a total of 60,000 people many of who were innocent. Even though they knew of their innocence, they collected money from them then locked them into an agreement not to tell or not to report them for the false court complaint. The US justice system refused to help those falsely accused and failed to stop the suits even though they knew the court complaints were bogus. To bring the justice system back into the fold of protecting innocent people, those falsely sued need to send a strong message. The next time they are a juror before a court, do just what Justice did to them. Ignore Justice. Cast your juror vote against justice. The next time you are a witness, do not come foreword. This way eventually Justice will learn what it is like to be ignored when crimes are committed against you by huge companies you never had a chance against. Huge corporations should not be immune from braking the laws just like the consumer.
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