  kingdome74What Have You DonePremium
join:2002-03-27
Syracuse, NY
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| "While the public has yet to see"... Ah, the mantra of modern governance. "Most open and honest government in history" I believe was the correct phrase we heard over and over in 2006 and ever since, for the most part, no one has a clue what's going on. Not one person can claim with any credibility what's being considered because we, the people, have no need to know. Franken hasn't seen shit but he think he knows... doesn't matter he, like the rest of them, will vote as he's told to and STFU. There's an incredible amount of money hanging on neutrality and - even more important - an incredible amount of control over our rapidly evaporating freedom on the net, our life, and even death (taxes).
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 |  TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
join:2000-11-08
Da Bronx
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| Re: "While the public has yet to see"... said by kingdome74: ... an incredible amount of control over our rapidly evaporating freedom on the net, our life, and even death (taxes).
Couple this with ACTA, and we may need to VPN into China or Australia to get any credible information freedom; At least their 2-bit draconian censoring can be cracked through. WOW, the great information wall, with toll roads, is being built around the US. All of it in secret and behind closed doors at tax-payer expense as well. This open and transparent bullshit administration is sure a piece of fascist work!
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Elizabethtown, PA | Re: "While the public has yet to see"... said by TamaraB:This open and transparent bullshit administration is sure a piece of fascist work!
This administration does suck, but I don't believe it would be any better underneath any other President or any other party. Washington was bought a long time ago. This in not a government for and by the people. It's a government for the ruling class. | |
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| | | TamaraBQuestion The Current ParadigmPremium
join:2000-11-08
Da Bronx Reviews:
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| Re: "While the public has yet to see"... said by Drunk: Washington was bought a long time ago. This in not a government for and by the people. It's a government for the ruling class.
Very true. My ire is not directed towards this administration alone, although they have been particularly disappointing. It's the endemic merger of State and Corporate power which is the problem. When corporations write your laws and control your social, political, and economic life, it's a difficult situation to smash out of.
We have come a long way from the "company store", and wage slavery; we are heading back rapidly, only in a SEEMINGLY gentler and kinder manner. We are in a period of regression which will hurt, but won't last.
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"Remember, remember the fifth of November.
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people"
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|  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
kudos:1 | Duh. I can tell you what's going to happen. Those without giant canvas sacks of money with dollar signs on them, those without lobbyists in Washington buying our Republic piece by piece and chunk by chunk like some sort of sick, twisted set of collector cards are going to get screwed.
We're going to get screwed. Either way.
When people realize it's not about party, its about power then maybe something good will happen.
Government by the people, and for the people is DEAD. It's now government by the elite, over the pieons. Do as you're told, shut up, and take it.
America, in so much as it being a representative Republic is over. We have become the next incarnation of the Roman Empire....
Hopefully, I don't get thrown to the lions for saying it....
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| | | | Re: "While the public has yet to see"... And Roman Empire in history fell apart | |
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| | |  FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | Re: "While the public has yet to see"... if only we would be so lucky to fall apart. i'm afraid we are too big to fail. | |
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| | | | | | Re: "While the public has yet to see"... I only wonder if anybody has learned any lesson from recession? Will everybody still abuse system like hungry wolves. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: "While the public has yet to see"... i've actually been wanting to see this movie. looks good. | |
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| | | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Oh we'll fail.
As soon as China et al stop bailing us out, we're doing down, and taking them with us. They'll survive, however.... will we.
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| | | | | said by chgo_man99:And Roman Empire in history fell apart
Over a very, very long time... | |
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| | | and we got ACTA and COITA.we are living in a corrupt country.you really have to wonder how many millions of dollars were given behind closed doors just to screw all of us rich or poor or republican or democrat.
use your brain.our government is not our friend. | |
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| | LoL Hey Whats taking you so long FCC? | |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Clip It The FCC has no authority or any business regulating how ISPs manage their private networks. It should either stick to its original mission of ensuring RF users do not interfere with one another or be shut down.
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| | | Re: Clip It Indeed. Either make the ISPs common carriers so they fall under regulation of the FCC, or just leave them alone.
The FTC however, may have something to say about an abrupt change in the billing policies of ISPs. | |
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| |  Dominokat"Hi"Premium
join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
kudos:2
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1 edit | Re: Clip It Screw it. I'd an land line and use slow dial up speeds to "avoid" overages. Yup, it may take a week to download a TV episode from iTunes, but i avoid overages rates.
However, at the moment, TW/Roadrunner doesn't have caps or average rates. I don't use allot, but most of what I use is either 1) iTunes music. 2) BUYING an iTune movie, 3) Renting an iTUnes movie, or last 4) Downloading TV episode from iTunes. All of which adds up, in HD format! Oh, and 4) SOFTWARE UPDATES!
Thats it. That is most of my bandwidth.
Otherwise it simple web using, or email.
IF (big if) TW/Roadrunner starts this capping shit, I will find an alternative provider. One DSL provider that just came online this month. Previously, cable ISP was all I could get, before that, satellite...
Been there, won't do it again. | |
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| | pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Clip It LOL. There's the definition of irony. A government-funded broadcaster whining about the private sector actually getting things done.
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| | | | | Re: Clip It ?? Something like 15% of PBS's budget comes from the government, the rest is from donations.
Clearly you didn't read the article because PBS is complaining about the private sector NOT getting things done properly despite being infused with massive amounts of cash from the government.
I think you should refer to a dictionary for the correct definition of the term "irony." | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Clip It said by 45612019:?? Something like 15% of PBS's budget comes from the government, the rest is from donations. If they are so good, then why do they need 15% of their money from the taxpayer. Let them give up all taxpayer money and compete in the private sector like everyone else.
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| | | | | Getting 1% of what they were supposed to do is getting things done? That's a laugh! | |
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| | | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| Guess you didn't get it. Private industry failing, getting more money from Government, and just pocketing it and wasting and failing more.
There's your "Industry" for ya.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Clip It said by KrK:Guess you didn't get it. Private industry failing, getting more money from Government, and just pocketing it and wasting and failing more. Where's the failure, at least in the broadband sector? Private companies continue to this day to deploy and upgrade broadband connections.
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| | | | | | | Re: Clip It The failure is that despite pumping loads of public money into private companies, our national internet is still in the bottom half of developed nations. | |
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Canyon Country, CA | Its original mission is to ensure that communications are undertaken to further the public interest, convenience and necessity. 1934 | |
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| | pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Re: Clip It said by DavePR:Its original mission is to ensure that communications are undertaken to further the public interest, convenience and necessity. 1934 The original mission was rooted in the need to regulate the use of public airwaves so that one broadcaster could not overpower the signal of another broadcaster. That is still a legitimate use of federal power to this day.
Regulating the management of private computer networks, most of which never touch the airwaves, and regulating the content of broadcasts, should not be touched by the FCC.
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| | | | | Re: Clip It So your suggesting we should create a whole new agency, with all new overhead to oversee the management of semi-private networks (I say semi-private because a great deal of public internet is conducted over the internet and they do not own the internet). Or would you prefer to do the smaller government option of slightly expanding the scope to cover communications (Federal Communications Commision) of which internet is arguably the most important - or at worst second most important to be managed?
Guess what, what we call competition here is not working. The companies have gotten too much government assistance and the market is too warped to be competitive the way it should be. | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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1 edit | Consesus: Means "Corporations want it all. OK by us" Where the hell is the "Consensus"? Where is the protection for smaller operators or Consumers?
There is no "Consensus" other then Politicians and Lobbyists agreeing on how much they will split up amongst themselves.
I agree with Al, these rules are worse then no rules at all.
Just like everything else in the USA: Spiralling in fast. Greed, the great vice.
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Troy, NY | Re: Consesus: Means "Corporations want it all. OK by us&quo These days, "consensus" means "the check cleared; I'll vote how they want me to".  | |
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| | If these rules are so great for us... ...then how come the FCC won't SHOW THEM to us until AFTER they vote on them? Big cable and telco has seen them, why haven't we? | |
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At first the big boys like AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, etc. will go along with the rules and use it as an excuse to add caps. Then they will slowly work on the destroying what ever is set in place and then we will see them work their way back to charging every content provider for accessing their customers. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | This is Ridiculous Are we the government or not? Get rid of the lobbyists.
Here's all the neutrality we need... two SIMPLE rules:
1. Government should stay out of how carriers choose to bill provided it's clearly (no fine print bullshit) defined. Once defined, it shouldn't change like the filth-foul-fargin price of a gallon of gas!
And this doesn't mean we throw out all FTC basics. (i.e. Large incumbent carriers aren't given a green light to practice predatory pricing in an attempt to eliminate competitors.)
2. Carriers should not discriminate the traffic that crosses their network. I'm perfectly fine with them managing the performance of ALL TRAFFIC to prevent catastrophes but none of this "our video protocol" gets priority bullshit.
Yes -- I think a big, fat, dump pipe is best for all. Sorry carriers but I don't think YOUR services should be considered HOV that get their own lane on the information superhighway. A long time ago we thought it was bad for broadcasters to also be content creators. We've lost our way there and need to come to our senses. Likewise I think it's dangerous for carriers to be more than the network. I know services are the sweetest plumb but corporate greed needs checks and balances because MAN IS IMPERFECT. We'll lie, cheat, steal to get ahead unless we have decent system in place to discourage it and penalize those who are not ethical. With that in mind, Comcast and the rest should be forced to divest their companies. If we allow it, corruption is INEVITABLE and that's always bad for the consumer.
(Do we really need to release the rapist/murderer/terrorist just to see if they do it again? Come on, are we REALLY that naive? Of COURSE they'll do it again just like OF COURSE companies will get corrupt! We have thousands of years of HISTORY written in various texts to PROVE that each and every one of us will corrupt ourselves if given the chance in a consequence free environment! WE CANNOT CONTROL OURSELVES WITHOUT RULES!)
I'm sick and tired of corporations looking to get in a position where they can sit on their fat asses and print money. This country is founded on the principle that competition drives innovation and innovation is the key to a better life for all. Where in the hell does capitalism allow companies that are "too big to fail"? WTH are we doing folks? Allowing fat, lazy, lethargic companies to fail is a key principle of capitalism. Only the fittest survive, right?
I don't buy the fact that we think the international mega-corporations force our hand in this department and I also understand we cannot be isolationists. There's only so much the public can take when the public floats Wall Street billions of dollars only so they can hand out 20B in bonuses (that was last year....they are predicting it will be less this year but the average per person will actually be MORE because the industry down sized. Awww...everyone cry for the millionaire who can only afford ONE Nannie and public schools.)
Well -- I'm glad I got that off my chest. Damn. I feel like I need a shower. | |
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| | | Re: This is Ridiculous "Get rid of the lobbyists."
Also lawyers, who are responsible for the majority of fine-print in any document. | |
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