 ArrayListnetbus developerPremium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL | push it to the coasts. make their way to the coasts and make EVERYONE happy. | |
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 |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Who has Paypal? I will start making bets that KC turns out to be a major failure and they will NOT expand any further. Bring it on. | |
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 |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. I don't think it will be an economic success but it will certainly succeed in many other areas. Success that will be replicated in one form or another in other places. I just dont see where the 1Gig delivered and 5/1 for basically free has any real ROI for 99.9% of companies on a large scale at least for now. -- I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company. | |
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 |  |  | | said by ITALIAN926:Who has Paypal? I will start making bets that KC turns out to be a major failure and they will NOT expand any further. Bring it on. Failure?
I live in Kansas City and Google made a success before they even started selling it.
People can't wait to get it here. There is excitement about it. Why shouldn't there be? Free internet or 1 Gig for 70 bucks, people have a right to get excited. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. you must not know you can NOT be a success before having a product. And those same people you talk about- will keep the local providers they are with- TWC and AT&T. More than 50% of those customers claiming they will switch will NEVER switch. Look at VZ's FiOS uptake- the numbers are BELOW what the former CEO said they would be, and its proven customers do NOT switch providers when they have options. They'd rather bitch about their current providers. Especially when it costs $$$$ and a day or more switching.
And your 1gig will never be fully used. And the Shareholders will NOT be happy without $$$$$ made back this year. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Once again.
Google has hoarded cash without payment of dividends back to shareholders for what ....a decade?
The major stakes in Google are on 100% autopilot.
Android is a cash cow and smaller investors are expecting a dividend yet it has been announced over and over none is planned basically ever. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Again- they want their ROI back into the company.
Android makes NOTHING as it's free to anyone. Moot product.
You are NOT going to have them expanding this service without any ROI. That's simple business. But you must not realize that. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Wow, Im actually agreeing with something youre saying hotboi. lol | |
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What search engine does it direct you too?
How much advertising revenue do you think every android device generates? ( app market too)
Some have speculated that it will be there biggest money maker ever over the long term.
No offense, but your done here. I can't even fathom that you think android makes no money. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. BING! and Yahoo! NOT Android- the same as with Cellco products. BING!
App market makes nothing if the company gives the apps away.
And Apple has done gone by Android and Google in terms of their stores. Sooooo much more on iTunes then on Google- why do you think they have higher theft rates on apps.
And done? LMAO! you were done long ago when you think that Shareholders are NOT going to want any $$ back. A brother of Karl and Dave? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Your stupidity is unbelievable.
I'm being serious.
You think android points to Bing or Yahoo? Have you seen the big bar on the front of every android device? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Do you realize that CellCo has their phones set to go to Bing? If not- you are not even silly- you drink too much Kool-aid on this site. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Who does Verizon, Att, Sprint, and T-mobile point to?
I've never heard of Cellco, so I can't speak to that point. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Its Verizon Wireless, quit the cellco crap. When they start advertsing as Cellco, then u can talk like that | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. lol. the company is CellCo though. and He knows who CellCo is. He's just being dumb about it. Especially this claim about them not pointing their devices to BING! It's been on here several times before. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. said by 25139889:lol. the company is CellCo though. and He knows who CellCo is. He's just being dumb about it. Especially this claim about them not pointing their devices to BING! It's been on here several times before. I didn't know who they were.
So can anybody tell me when they made the change. My verizon has google. Only 3 months old. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | My Verizon android phone goes to google | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  1 edit | Nevermind after some digging it appears only some phones have Bing set to default. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. It's on other product lines as well- If you'd go "Google" it you could see it. but what do i know according to you- but you keep entertianing me by replying. So yah. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. I have been searching it just says "some models".
None of the ones I own nor my friends have bing. In fact I've never seen it on an android phone yet, so It can't be that common. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Its not common. Android is a Google device and the default search provider is Google on 98% of devices.
And to respond to the Ohio guy, Google makes money off Android from ads in free apps, paid apps, music store, tv/movies and etc. Not just the ads in Google search. And now since Google just announce Play Store gift cards, they have just open themselves up to a much larger potential to make money.
Also, remember when DSL first came out and the 56k users said, "There's no need for 1.5 mbps." Now 1.5 mbps is dialup by today's standards. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  brad join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON | said by DataRiker:Your stupidity is unbelievable.
I'm being serious. Ya, it is pretty pathetic. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | and if i'm done- why are you still replying? | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. said by 25139889:and if i'm done- why are you still replying? I was more referring to your credibility.
You actually tried to claim (and still are based on a company named Cellco) that google does not make money on Android.
I have read several of their reports to share holders and they always rank Android at the top of their ad revenue growth ( eg Cellular traffic hits ).
Gmail ad revenue alone is enormous with the influx of Gmail accounts corresponding to android accounts.
Android will be in short order, their biggest money maker to date.
You stated they make no money on Android and still are after being corrected on this point.
Good luck being that hard headed in life. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Yes it is AT&T it used to be the SBC area Southwestern Bell. And they do have U-verse and LOTS of it. and TWC is HUGE there. Besides they also hare Surewest cable/internet. So yah. | |
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| Re: push it to the coasts. Data, your Lovely Gbps internet speeds will do NOTHING for Google if they are competing with Time Warner, Uverse, DirecTV, and Dishnetwork. Unfortunately for you, and all the other speed addicts on this website, the TV service is what sells it. Verizon knows this first hand, because in areas that they dont have Video Franchises, their Fios internet doesnt sell very good.
So, in KC, where Google will be competing with those major TV carriers, they will be lucky to have a 20% adoption rate. To make things even worse for Google, the people who are hooked up with DTV or Dish, will take the 7 years of free 5Mbps internet ! Major, MAJOR loss for Google.
Im sure you understand, a $300 "construction" fee, to bring a customer 7 years of 5 Mbps service, will be a ridiculous loss for Google. I could see the satellite providers absorbing that fee for their customers !
Google has ZERO chance unless they restructure their entire plan. Unless they feel they are a charity and will write all this off as a donation. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. I'm not a speed addict or a fan of Google as you keep stating.
You also think Google does not make money on Android so it is hard to take you serious.
I live in KC and people are serious about getting Google fiber. I really can't imagine how this won't make as much money as TW or ATT. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. I never metioned Android at all. Im talking about the Google FTTP service itself. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. You mean you don't want to claim android makes no money!
Fair enough, my mistake. Don't blame you for not touching that one. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Like I said, you can battle NW all you like regarding Android. I have a flip dumbphone, and I intend to keep it until it dies. So Im no expert on smartphone OS's | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Oh no, you mean 1gbs Google Fiber with blu ray quality tv will have to compete against overpriced slow ass uverse and overpriced time warner?? What ever will they do?  | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. Blu-ray quality TV. Hmm. You think all the TV stations in the world will start to broadcast 1080p, for Google serving 1 city. Want to make a bet? | |
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| Based on your own rationale regarding shareholders, it does illustrate that there are lots of things that Government can do better.
These sorts of large scale projects do not deliver quick short-term gains. Therefore, the Government on the other hand has the stomach and means to issue 30 year bonds.
Had we relied on shareholders to determine whether building infrastructure is profitable, half our nation wouldn't have roads today. | |
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 |  |  | | I agree. This is NOT going to expand outside of these metro areas. Shareholders will NOT keep this alive. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. said by 25139889:I agree. This is NOT going to expand outside of these metro areas. Shareholders will NOT keep this alive. Shareholders?
Shareholders seem ok with GOOGLE stock piling cash without disbursing a regular dividend. This is a tiny blip on the radar compared to that.
It won't even register. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: push it to the coasts. that is currently. They're also happy with VZ's stockpile, But yet why do you think FiOS is on hold? it's UPTAKE and ROI. Shareholders want their $$$$$$. And it will register. They will want their $$$. Why do you think they keep changing Google Apps and downsizing what new users get? They want their $$$$. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: push it to the coasts. said by 25139889:But yet why do you think FiOS is on hold? it's UPTAKE and ROI. Minimally. It's mainly on hold for the LTE build. | |
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 |  |  |  |  openbox9Premium join:2004-01-26 japan kudos:2 | Re: push it to the coasts. Yep, even the recent equity offering came without voting rights. | |
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 LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Google has to prove they can do cust svc; I think they can't
There's a dramatic difference between wiring one medium-sized city and diving head first into wiring a nation, and so far Google's shown no real indication they have the stomach for the latter.
And Google has NEVER shown it has the desire to provide anything but very cheap, very rudimentary customer service for any product they have ever rolled out, including Android. -- »www.mittromney.com/s/repeal-and-···bamacare »www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care | |
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| Re: Google has to prove they can do cust svc; I think they can't I have empirical examples of surprisingly low high speed take rates from Sweden, France, Britain, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, and California. A difference of $10 to $30 discourages 3/4ths of the customers. Google is looking for $70/month for a gig, compared to 10 meg cable at about $50 and 3 meg DSL at about $35....A $50 difference between 10 meg cable and 50-100 meg DOCSIS has been standard in the U.S. and the take rate on the higher speeds has been so low no company will reveal it.
OK, this guy needs a new job or should at least cover the industry.
1. I guess he hasn't been reading how dryloop DSL is going the way of the dodo bird. Take that $35 and multiply by at least two and add another $15 in taxes. I guess he also failed to mention 3gps can barely even handle one HD stream. FAIL
2. 10meg for $50, maybe an intro rate. Verizon fibre only starts at $60 now for 15/5. So $10 more for 1GBS? FAIL
3. This totally ignores caps. The cablecos are busy putting on caps low enough so you can't ditch the cable. Add in the cap effect and you are not even close. FAIL
4. GOOG 3 play is on par with other cable packages so lets talk about that. Google hardware is VASTLY superior, throw in a terabyte in the cloud to backup your PC's or keep all your data, and a mondo DVR w/ 2 TB. I pay $10/month for backup. Add in caps and I'm dead. FAIL.
5. Google CS -> Ok, and companies like Frontier, TWC, and Comcast are known for their stellar customer service.
6. TWC JUST mentioned in their latest earnings how successful they have been moving customers to higher tiers and gave numbers. I guess reading 10-Q is out of the question.
This is all BS because at the end of the day if google went into midmarkets that cable and a puny DSL cover they could wipe them out because they have the pockets to weather the inevitable loss leaders the cablecos would offer. With one stroke, google could offer 100/100 for $50 and decimate the competition.
I know they are smart. They deliver the infrastructure/equipment at scale, and then sell it off to a regional provider or equity firm for profit. Rinse and repeat. Google boxes everywhere....
I have FIOS, and will probably dump them when my "price protection" goes because they want to jack my rates 25% for zero additional benefit other than Fran needs a new jet. At that point Goog would be $20 less than my new improved FIOS cost.
Sounds like I would just hate 1Gbps.. Not. Sign me up. | |
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 |  | | said by Linklist:And Google has NEVER shown it has the desire to provide anything but very cheap, very rudimentary customer service for any product they have ever rolled out, including Android. I work for an unnamed major competitor in Kansas City and we only provide cheap rudimentary service.
So all things being equal, GOOGLE should be just fine. | |
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 percosan join:2002-03-13 San Francisco, CA | "tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions"; of homes pretty good trick considering there are ~118M homes in the US. I guess Dave thinks they will build networks in other countries ... -s | |
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 DrDrewSo that others may surf. join:2009-01-28 SoCal kudos:10 | Why talk about expanding? They don't even have a forum here. A few posters are hyping how great Google Fiber is.... but where are the actual users? Where is the DSLR forum for Google Fiber customers?
...you mean there aren't even enough customers to start a dedicated Google Fiber forum here??? -- If it's important, back it up... twice. Even 99.999% availability isn't enough sometimes. | |
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 |  | | Re: Why talk about expanding? They don't even have a forum here. wasn't aware that the service was turned on yet. | |
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| started with an idea.. That FTTP and innovation supported by devleoping the last mile internet are strengths to be encouraged, not corporate cash registers to be soaking up every last consumer penny in usage/by the byte based billing!
Now that Google has the courage to stand up to ALL telecom and cablecom and say enough is enough! I say to hell with all the naysayers and incumbent appologists! If you have uncorruptable & amenable local politicans, then a 3rd party ISP is a viable solution to telecom & cablecom stagnation. If it can be done in Kansas and Missouri, then it can be done anywhere.. | |
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| Sign me up For $70 for a gig connection. However, I'd still want FIOS for the TV portion, as Google doesn't have a workable TV service yet. I guess a gig for $70 with regular Comcast for TV would be just fine.
It would be a weird concept having my internet speed limited by my own internal network... | |
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 elray join:2000-12-16 Santa Monica, CA | Doubtful Google is going to find that people aren't signing up for $70 internet in droves, nor $120 pay-tv-without-HBO-or-ESPN. They're also going to find out that customer service matters.
Google quits, quickly and often, without much notice, explanation, or apology. They will find that other cities aren't as gracious or willing to bend as KC, and the legal challenges will mount.
Meanwhile, the local cable firms WILL step up with short-term packages that people want, i.e. 20Mbps double-play for $69 with a two-year price guarantee. | |
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 | | Negativity Time Warner had set up pains when they first hit KC and customer service was bad. They even had to set up a $20 credit for Techs to show up on time it was so bad.
Sounds like most of you are from other companies that will be losing customers. You sound just like the customer service rep from TWC telling me how bad Google will be. How does she know Google is bad? Google doesn't even have customers yet, only pre-registered ones like myself.
Can't wait! Google bring it on. | |
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 Kamus join:2011-01-27 El Paso, TX | It sounds nice, but... I'm not sure they'll do it even if it does well in Kansas.
I think we're basically on our own for the next step in the evolution of the internet... stay tuned. | |
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| karl's love affair with google at its finest quote: However, every indication has been that Google is primarily interested in lighting a fire under other carriers, showing the press and the public that fiber to the home deployment isn't quite the ridiculous, unprofitable monster it has long been portrayed as by companies that for the last decade have been more interested in investor returns than quality product.
LOL. the only thing google is interested in is getting user data for advertising purposes.
google couldn't care less what the other carriers do | |
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 |  birdfeedrPremium,MVM join:2001-08-11 Warwick, RI kudos:8 | Re: karl's love affair with google at its finest said by chances14:LOL. the only thing google is interested in is getting user data for advertising purposes.
google couldn't care less what the other carriers do He covered that in the next paragraph. quote: Google Fiber still feels like a vanity PR project intended to inspire, useful predominately for testing next-gen advertising services and collecting the kind of real-world data ISPs never divulge.
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 |  | | The standard monopolists want to influence what websites you visit by charging you and monitor your use to serve up targeted ads. They have an extremely greedy view of technology and contemptuous view of customers, so whatever privacy threat you see in Google will always be 1000% worse with them | |
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 | | Where does the profitable come from? I fail to see how they can offer gig service for $70 and make money off the service.... I understand there are peering agreements, but with each customer with a gig connection, the bandwidth requirements will be insane.
So just where do the profits come in? I think what he meant was that it should provide instant revenue. | |
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 | | Dave Burstein here, not totally sure himself Karl My belief, until recently, was the same as yours "every indication has been that Google is primarily interested in lighting a fire under other carriers," and I should have been more clear in the original article I'm working from inference, not direct knowledge. That said, I think there were many details that only made sense if they intend to move forward. Hope I'm not fooling myself and something important is happening. We have plenty of proof the technology is ready for a gig, and I'm personally (slightly) involved in two projects delivering a gig for $80 or less. The economics at $70 should work well if the sign-up rate is high enough. | |
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 maikii join:2012-08-08 Pacific Palisades, CA | Go Google! To those who say that Google will not make any money from this, so they will stop, I will add:
I don't know at all that that is true, but if we were to assume it is:
Google has supported projects for years that did not make money, and even lost money. Look at YouTube. GoogleVoice has to lose money. They look to the long term, not just what will make immediate profits.
One has to consider the following--people visit more pages owned by Google by far than any other web pages. The Google search engine is visited far more than any others. Then look at Gmail, YouTube, etc., etc. Therefore, the Google's advertising revenue far exceeds any others on the net. Furthermore, they track everyone's browsing history (which I do not like), to target the ads.
As such a high percentage of web advertising goes to Google, the more people on the Internet, the more money they make. There is still a fairly significant percentage of the US population (surprisingly, way more than in some other countries), who have no internet access. (And if some still have dial-up, that is pretty much worthless these days, as more crap has been added to web pages to slow them down. Broadband is pretty much a necessity to surf the web these days.) A lot of people cannot afford broadband these days, especially since the economic slowdown since 2008 (caused by the Bush administration, for you revisionists who forgot that).
The most affordable broadband is DSL, and it is not affordable for many people, and since it is controlled by the dual colluding monopoly of ATT and Verizon, terrible customer service, usually not giving the advertised speed, etc.
Cable or satellite internet, FIOS or U-verse, still farther out of the reach of most people.
If Google is able to greatly expand broadband use in this country by offering free 5mbps broadband (if some people cannot afford the $300 setup fee all at once, I would guess that Google will offer a payment plan for them), who will benefit in the long run, from more people on the Net??? Google, more than anyone else!
I am currently signed up for 3mbps DSL on Verizon, only getting about half that, sometimes no connection at all, and have encountered absolutely terrible, abysmal customer and tech support. If Google offered here (LA, CA) free 5mbps connection, for a one time fee of $300, I would jump on the chance in a minute. (I would hope though, that the $300 is refundable if the connection does not work well.)
The 1gbps speed sounds intriguing too, but I cannot afford $70 per month now. I would guess that the price might go down over time.
I am not a Google fan. I do not like their violations of privacy, and that one has the single sign-on now for all Google services, so that they can track you everywhere.
However, I would certainly welcome their entrance into broadband here in California, where there presently is no competition at all for the lower price range of broadband, monopolized by the telcos. (That should improve DSL service and pricing too, if the telcos have to face some real competition.)
Yes, the telcos would bribe state legislatures to stop this. Then we must write to our legislators and insist they allow it. Furthermore, we should vote out corrupt legislators.
Therefore, Go Google! I sure hope they expand to the coasts!
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Also, now not looking at ad revenue, I am not at all sure that Google would lose money from the broadband business itself. The impression I got from some writers to this thread is that because Google is charging less than others, they would lose money. Is that so? Look at Wal-Mart! Have they lost money, by charging lower prices? In charging lower prices, a company may make less profit per item sold, but that is more than made up by increased volume of sales. Especially in these tight economic times, people are looking for lower prices, and if Google offered that, you can bet a lot of people would switch! | |
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 | | Google fiber What you guys ae missing is that when Time Warner came in here they had to offer service to everyone to be able to come into KC...thus they had to build the infrastructure for the entire metro regardless if joe blow subscribed or not...is is not the case with google fiber. They setup designated areas of KCK and KCMO called fiber hoods...10% of the people in those neighborhoods have to pay 5 or 10 bucks and sign up for service or google will not even wire up their neighborhood. Thus they are only going where they are already set to achieve a desired ROR. People here in KC want a choice between Time Warner and Comcast and Uverse. Whether google want to expand beyond KC or just light a fire u der the other providers asses...they have more an enough funds and will to do so and will be successful in ever way | |
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