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Re: On contrary, 2012 says Diamond Bar, California (SoCal)If I recall they wanted to hit 40% take rate in many of these markets before moving on. | |
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Re: On contrary, 2012 says Diamond Bar, California (SoCal)Diamond bar is a fulfillment requirement negotiated with the city. More of these type of negotiations to come in order to thaw the freeze that has been imposed. | |
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Re: On contrary, 2012 says Diamond Bar, California (SoCal)Woot woot! Wilmington, DE on the front page!
Luckily us folks just outside the Wilmo city limits have had FIOS for 5 years now... | |
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and you do realize that 99% of all of those contracts with VZ on FiOS has a loophole for them to get out? If they don't have a certain up take on subs, VZ can pull out and no longer offer FiOS. And that is what they'll end up doing. | |
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said by Karl Bode:If I recall they wanted to hit 40% take rate in many of these markets before moving on. 40% is a pipedream.. They slashed prices to get where they are now at 15%, only to raise them back up again! Verizon can't expect to win hearts and minds with higher prices.. it's just that simple. No matter if you have the better product, Verizon simply chooses to overshoot the market on cost. This is what Time Warner and Cablevision bank on. The triple play I have w/ 25 symmetric, digital voice phone, and extreme hd package for under $100/month bottom line price should be their standard deal. Now it's about $115 and that's overshooting the market. If you can't get people in NY to pay $115, it's doubtful you get anyone anywhere else to either. Lots of companies expecting another season of oil company greed so, nobody's going to stick their neck out on investment. Perhaps we will get fed up and convert our economy to bioethanol & biodiesel once and for all. The costs @ $4 a gallon are about the same. The mid-west basicaly needs a green light and perhaps some upfront subsidies & tax incentives. At least the money stays in the USA. | |
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Re: On contrary, 2012 says Diamond Bar, California (SoCal)that is due to their contract loop holes of being able to pull the TV service if they don't have enough uptake. Which will happen in the end. Not many people are wanting to switch and its not a big thing to them to have FiOS-FTTH when their current services are working just fine. VZ fails to realize that people do NOT like change. The only way to get them to change is to educate them on why their product improves their lives. Which really; it doesn't. Just offers them the same product just over a different medium at a bigger price. Grated the speeds are faster; but that's not a reason to switch to someone who's happy with their 3meg DSL for $19.95. | |
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Ulmo
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2011-Feb-26 3:53 pm
Re: On contrary, 2012 says Diamond Bar, California (SoCal)True, but the 3meggers will die out. | |
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to tmc8080
small nit: biofuels tend to be energy inefficient. better to go with something more realistic like nuclear power. (to boot, nuclear power itself is proven.) But your general point that high gas prices are softening the interests of investment seem right. | |
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to tmc8080
said by tmc8080:The costs @ $4 a gallon are about the same. True, but the amount of biofuel needed to make up for the oil we use would drive the price of corn and other farm comodities through the roof. I'll take $4 gas and (somewhat) affordable food. | |
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to HaloFans
Grr. I live near there in 91745 and it exists, but not in my neighborhood. | |
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Whaaaa...I desperately want Verizon FiOS service here. | |
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HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968. Premium Member join:2000-09-20 Fort Worth, TX
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loltypical of Verizon in a big city... there's a parking ticket under the wiper blade. just another added cost that Verizon anticipates every year. | |
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Re: lolsaid by Harddrive:typical of Verizon in a big city... there's a parking ticket under the wiper blade. just another added cost that Verizon anticipates every year. Filed under Verizon customer billing "incidents". | |
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alchav join:2002-05-17 Saint George, UT
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alchav
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2011-Feb-25 2:33 pm
Verizon FiOS FTTH......Only Game in Town!Verizon never said it was going to Stop FiOS Deployment, only cut back. Like all Companies, they want to make money, and how do you do that? Go into areas that will return the most "Bang for the Buck." So they picked cities that wanted FiOS, and Verizon thought they could sell some of their FiOS Products. So if you don't have FiOS and want it and you are in a Verizon Area, make a little noise and Verizon might hear you. | |
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FMLI live in an AT&T region (no hope for FTTH) and I can't even get their DSL or U-verse service. FML. | |
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moonpuppy (banned) join:2000-08-21 Glen Burnie, MD
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moonpuppy (banned)
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2011-Feb-25 2:47 pm
Stay out of Baltimore CityOr you will have lots of stolen equipment and even more unpaid bills. If you could limit deployment to certain areas then you would be o.k. | |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium Member join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ |
batterup
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2011-Feb-25 2:57 pm
Sad so sad.quote: ...but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Just get out of the way and stop your crying. | |
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FreedomBuildWell done is better than well said Premium Member join:2004-10-08 Rockford, IL |
C'mon VerizonBeen chomping at the bit and harassing them from time to time to deploy here in Rockford, IL. We need some true competition here to give Comcast a run for the easy money they've been sticking it to us | |
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amungus Premium Member join:2004-11-26 America |
amungus
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2011-Feb-25 3:26 pm
I hope soMore FiOS the better! Wish it were in my area!
On a related note... ...I need to get in touch with somebody @ Verizon - we have a toll free # here that is apparently being used on some piece of promo material - I have seriously received direct calls (the toll free # routes to our I.T. group) from random people asking about FiOS... They are too common to be dialed wrongly. | |
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banditws6Shrinking Time and Distance Premium Member join:2001-08-18 Frisco, TX |
Finish Frisco please!Hope this is true, I would love for Verizon to finish their rollout in Frisco, TX which was interrupted last year. | |
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HJM13
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2011-Feb-25 3:41 pm
Ooops. Better check the date of that WNJ story...... and you'll find that it's nearly three years old.
Harry Mitchell from Verizon here. I'm not interested in rehashing the Wilmington, Del., franchise saga, but -- since you devoted substantial space to this really, really aged story -- suffice it to say that Verizon's franchise proposal for Wilmington in late 2008-early 2009 was a fair and reasonable one, with an aggressive commitment to make FiOS TV available to all city residents within five years; delivery and financial support of education and governmental channels; thorough and appropriate customer-service commitments and more.
Unfortunately, the parties couldn't agree on terms that would enable Verizon to compete effectively and serve customers in Wilmington -- something we're doing quite successfully in many, many other jurisdictions across the country.
We currently are focused on fulfilling our build commitments under the franchises we've obtained, and on increasing penetration in the areas where FiOS is available. And we're doing quite well, with 4.1 million FiOS Internet and 3.5 million FiOS TV subscribers at year-end 2010. | |
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jtel
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2011-Feb-25 4:31 pm
RII thought once they dumped most of the old GTE areas that they'd start right up again.
They left a lot of Rhode Island without FIOS. | |
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2008"Delaware Online quotes a Verizon executive who seems to claim that Verizon FiOS may be on the march again"
This is from 2008. We expect an apology for such shoddy reporting, DSLreports/Karl Bode. | |
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ScreeIn the pipe 5 by 5 join:2001-04-24 Mount Laurel, NJ |
Scree
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2011-Feb-25 5:26 pm
hurryStill waiting for the comcast dragon to be slain in my area so fios can finally arrive. lol | |
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2011-Feb-27 7:42 pm
Re: hurryYou are lucky in Mt Laurel, you have nothing to complain about. Around 5 years ago Comcast did a "node split" project in your town and put in miles of new fiber and cut the number of subscribers down on each node, drastically improving service and reliability. Mount Laurel is one of the cleanest and newest areas in the Comcast Garden State footprint. | |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium Member join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ |
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2011-Feb-25 5:44 pm
FiOS not yet.Verizon just upgraded DSL to 15 Meg; I don't see FiOS coming soon. There are way too many stumbling blocks being thrown under Verizon's feet. | |
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2011-Feb-25 6:24 pm
Re: FiOS not yet.They must be pretty close by with fiber in order to get dsl speeds that high though. 1/2 a mile maybe? | |
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2011-Feb-25 7:01 pm
Re: FiOS not yet.said by jtel:They must be pretty close by with fiber in order to get dsl speeds that high though. 1/2 a mile maybe? Actually there must be only copper from the CO to the premise for ADSL2+. To get 15 Mbs I recall max 3,000 feet. Verizon sells 10 to 15 with 6,500 the max distance and one would get 10 Mbs at 6,500. Don't hold me to those distances they are what I recall. They offer a 4 to 7.1 Mbs plan that goes farther but the thing is they did put money into DSL. That doesn't look like they plan to run FiOS in those areas any time soon. | |
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2011-Feb-27 12:10 am
Re: FiOS not yet.said by batterup:Actually there must be only copper from the CO to the premise for ADSL2+. You should be able to get it from a remote DSLAM fed by fiber from the CO. | |
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2011-Feb-27 2:00 am
Re: FiOS not yet.said by DeathK:said by batterup:Actually there must be only copper from the CO to the premise for ADSL2+. You should be able to get it from a remote DSLAM fed by fiber from the CO. Point of order; 7.1/15 requires upgrading the CO equipment. Verizon, at this point in time, is not going to put the big bucks DSLAMs in remote terminals. I'm happy to be able to get "up to" 10 T-1 down-load speed but if Verizon is spending money on DSL in my area I will be in a home before FiOS lit. Four years ago they started to hang the fiber, and it hangs, and it hangs. | |
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kingdome74Let's Go Orange Premium Member join:2002-03-27 Syracuse, NY |
Yay me!In a couple of months we're moving to North Syracuse, NY (about 7 miles away) which has, at least from what I've seen, all of Verizon's FiOS services. If I could afford the 50/50 triple play I'd get it but instead I'm getting the 25/25 which is an excellent upgrade from the 15/1 I get from Time Warner for a lot better price. To be fair TW also offers 50/5 in this little town I live in but the price, again, is prohibitive. | |
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Re: Yay me!I believe it's 50/20 from Verizon. | |
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Re: Yay me!Yep, you're right. That would be a hack of a upstream though. | |
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2011-Feb-25 9:23 pm
Yes, that's the pointThe article is from 2008 - good job. That's exactly the point: three years ago, they claimed that it was ramping up, but no significant expansion occurred.
It's really too bad - from everything I hear, it's a phenomenal service. | |
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2011-Feb-25 10:27 pm
Fios is still being install in new towns/marketsVerizon is still installing Fios in new town/markets. I live in Willingboro, NJ (the suburbs) and i am seeing the verizon has been installing the Fios cable underground around our town. I notice the white and orange poles say warning fiber optic cable install underground. It looks like they are install the Fios at the edge of town and working their way inside. They began something earlier this year so i believe that we should be getting fios by the end of the year.
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2011-Feb-26 10:11 am
solutionsthe easiest solution for you to get FIOS is MOVE... you are not in a country that doesn't allow you to live where you want to live. the alternative? build your own network.. good luck in at&t and comcast geographies. I doubt Verizon is trying to actively block new municipal deployment outside of FIOS geographies they're still in with the exception where there is a possibility of them getting federal/state funds to build a network in the immediate future-- at least as much as most cable companies since they don't have a wireless customer base to fall back on for profits.
you have to weigh the good with the bad... might want to trade the bad of Ohio and Wisconsin for the bad of New Jersey and Pennsylvania where there are limited FIOS deployments, but will likely have a higher cost of living. research the deployed fios network.. it's probably available in parts of about 12 states. There are municipal (FTTP) deployments in 8-12 others which are not Verizon. | |
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Re: solutionssaid by tmc8080:the easiest solution for you to get FIOS is MOVE And that is EXACTLY what I did. I could not get FiOS and I wanted it so I moved. That was 2 years ago. With that said, why do people keep saying that as if it is easy and/or it is simple? Anyone know how expensive it was for me to move? I didn't even have a family at the time (do now) so I can't imagine that headache Fact is, moving is NOT easy on any level. So this idea of "Stop complaining and move" argument is nonsense on many levels. Again, I did it b/c I could. But many, many others can't because of either finances, family, etc.... | |
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Pain.I live on a dead end street loaded with Cablevision customers. Verizon wired down the main road here 3 years ago.
FiOS has been a 30 second walk away this entire time. They never came down our street.
To make matters worse, I've been having severe issues with my internet/phone service from Cablevision since December 2008 and have had no other carrier to change to this entire time.
I think I win the lack of FiOS pain award. | |
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Ulmo
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2011-Feb-26 4:05 pm
Re: Pain.I'm just geeky enough to make friends with someone that 30 second walk away, then order service somehow, then run cabling (illegally) through fences and such to get at that stuff. Maybe a loop network so that when gardeners and alert property owners see the cables and clip them, my network keeps running until I can reseal the loop again (using another path).
The "blight" of too many cables is something we ought to ease up on so that people can wire themselves more freely. Overage of "blight" ought to be an incentive for owners and municipalities to offer less blighty alternatives. | |
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I have satellite. You lose. | |
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