Will Xohm Succeed?New report says LTE will dominate ( old news - 02:23PM Friday Jan 25 2008) tags: business · wireless · Sprint TelecomAt the moment, there's three front-runners for the fourth-generation wireless broadband crown: 3GPP LTE (Long Term Evolution), mobile WiMax and 3GPP2 UMB (Ultra Mobile Broadband). All three standards will offer low latency and theoretical max speeds that easily best existing 3G offerings. However, LTE is officially leading the 4G push. AT&T has said they're planning on migrating toward LTE. Verizon Wireless recently confirmed they would be embracing LTE as well, in order to have a unified standard across both their network and the network of European partner Vodafone. Sprint, of course, is hitching their wagon to Mobile WiMax under the Xohm name. A new report by Maravedis research (via Information Week) claims that Sprint lacks the funds to currently carry out substantial deployment of their Xohm WiMax service. However, the report claims that by 2012, Long Term Evolution (LTE) technology will be the dominant wireless broadband flavor. The general consensus seems to be that Sprint's service could easily be a disruptive force in the short term, given that 4Mbps device-agnostic wireless service would appeal to many users of slower, restrictive 3G services. Customers may also find Sprint's promise of no long term contracts or early termination fees very appealing. Ultimately though Sprint, who's in the midst of layoffs and a management shakeup, may not be able to survive competitively against LTE and the collective industry muscle of both Verizon & AT&T. Many analysts think it won't be long before Xohm is spunoff.
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| will suceed It will succeed guaranteed (market penetration) if Intel will require it in all of its Centrino laptops, plus it will pressure its OEMs to put Wimax in on non-Centrino machines, since it will be on the SouthBridge, and OEMs wont have a reason not to.
I have a feeling the coverage will be much worse than Sprint EVDO for a long time, so if you don't have EVDO now, you won't be getting Wimax anytime soon, plus if your in a Sprint affiliate market, your screwed forever (I know most of them got bought up, Hurray!), if you don't have non-EVDO Sprint Voice, fuggedabout!. Sprint isn't doing the 100 mile rural thing. Plus speeds will be dialup at that distence anyways. Too many Wimax shills on DSLreports. | |
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gaforces
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Santa Cruz, CA | Range I'm a little disappointed in the range of the service from the towers, it's not even close to the 30 miles that was reported.
The hype hasn't matched the technology, so far. | |
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Matt
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| Re: Range said by gaforces  :I'm a little disappointed in the range of the service from the towers, it's not even close to the 30 miles that was reported. The hype hasn't matched the technology, so far. That's point-to-point using directional antennas.
Omnidirectional service is closer to a few mile radius. | |
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en102
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| Re: Range I _really_ don't think anyone's using omnidirectional for data communications. Its a waste of spectrum.
The main reason for trimming to a few miles vs. ~30miles is capacity. How many users can use WiMAX in any given area can use it, if you're going to spread a 70MHz beam over 30 miles, even in one sector. Backhauling is different direct point-to-point, with a narrow area would obviously give a much longer range.
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| Re: Range said by en102 :I _really_ don't think anyone's using omnidirectional for data communications. Its a waste of spectrum. The main reason for trimming to a few miles vs. ~30miles is capacity. How many users can use WiMAX in any given area can use it, if you're going to spread a 70MHz beam over 30 miles, even in one sector. Backhauling is different direct point-to-point, with a narrow area would obviously give a much longer range. Poor choice of words on my part. The 30 miles is for point-to-point is what I was getting at. | |
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| Can't get the report I would like to see the report so I can check how Maravedis came to their conclusions, the only problem, the report referred to here cost $3400.
Maravedis target audience appears to be the wireless equipment makers and Wall Street analysts.
It's always good to know who is funding these reports and who thinks they are important before understanding their significance. | |
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SterlingJ85
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2 edits | Image is wrong! HSUPA Upload 5.76 kbps! Hahaha...
Whooo, talk about taking a step backward! | |
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| Yeah, sure..it'll fail.... yeah, 1 gigabit per second, fixed, is so uncompetitive and terrible *rolls eyes* »weblog.infoworld.com/realitychec···ops.html
how they came to their conclusions, I have no idea.
Yeah, Sprint has a bad track record...but it's not like they can't turn it around or come out with a good product.
and if WiMAX is so terrible, why is India deploying it? »www.wimax.com/commentary/blog/bl···-mandate
This blind desire to have "everything the same" of "WiMAX is dead; Verizon and AT&T are using LTE" is ridiculous.
I hope Sprint dominates and blows this "study" out of the water.
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| Re: Yeah, sure..it'll fail.... I'm not sure but I think I remember wimax uses the same modulation as wifi, OFDM. While Rev A uses 16-QAM. Which in my experience has proven to be more reliable.
I don't expect wimax to be great because of this. Plus who knows if it's going to have QoS implemented or not.
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| "Yeah, Sprint has a bad track record...but it's not like they can't turn it around or come out with a good product"
Sadly, Sprint's track record in every broadband initiative it has ever embarked upon shows this is highly unlikely.
WiMax is not the problem. Sprint is.
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clubs: | Re: Yeah, sure..it'll fail.... ION was a great product, IMO, it was just either (or both) ahead of its time or just did not have the proper marketing and customer interest. Technically, though, it was pretty sweet (IMO).
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Yeah, sure..it'll fail.... That's the sad part...they usually have a very good product from a technical standpoint but manage to screw it up via mismanagement or being under-funded, or both.
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| said by RadioDoc :" Sadly, Sprint's track record in every broadband initiative it has ever embarked upon shows this is highly unlikely. WiMax is not the problem. Sprint is. Sprint has done a great job with EVDO. It's faster and mo betta than Verizon EVDO. Sprint's EVDO is ranked higher on this site as well as on evdoforums.com. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Yeah, sure..it'll fail.... That is in their core wireless phone business though. I am referring to their other ventures like ION, Sprint Broadband Direct, etc.
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en102
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Valencia, CA | I think where it needs to be 'ranked' higher is by the business world - i.e. those that use datacards.
Nobody denies Sprint's EVDO, Verizon's EVDO or AT&T's UMTS/HSDPA being good.
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| Gilitar
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Mobile, AL | I don't like Sprint, but...... I too hope that Xohm succeeds. Any additional options for broadband is a plus. | |
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San Ramon, CA | Will Xohm Succeed? Find out at NostradamusReports.com | |
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BF69
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Forest, OH | Re: who cares More like 20 yrs, if ever. | |
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1 edit | Sort of apples and oranges WiMAX and LTE are similar technology wise but are completely different in terms of the business model.
WiMAX is open and not carrier-specific. LTE will be controlled by the carriers. You'll likely see WiMAX on all kinds of consumer devices. LTE will be available on devices available from carriers, likely not on a wide array of consumer devices. WiMAX is such a hugely different model, closer to WiFi.
To favor LTE is to be pro carrier. To favor WiMAX is to be pro consumer.
Since WiMAX will be deployed world-wide and consumer devices will likely have WiMAX, it makes sense for a network to exist in the US as well. Sprint and Clearwire own nearly all of the space in 2.5Ghz and have the best shot unless WiMAX hits other spaces.
If WiMAX succeeds in other worldwide markets (India is now pegged to rollout WiMAX to 200m population), WiMAX will succeed in the US. And LTE will too, but extremely carrier controlled like EVDO and HSPA. | |
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Jamaica, NY | Re: Sort of apples and oranges LTE is a GSM successor, wasn't the whole point of GSM that its open? | |
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| Re: Sort of apples and oranges ^But not wide open to consumer devices. The device maker still has to deal with the carrier in LTE. In WiMAX, they only deal in specs and don't have to certify or work with the carrier in any way, just drop in a WiMAX chip. You probably won't see MP3 players, cameras and GPS devices with LTE.
We'll probably see LTE mostly in phones and laptop cards and a few devices where the device maker strikes a deal with LTE carriers. WiMAX is more like WiFi, just throw in the chipset and the user runs across WISPs where available. | |
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Jamaica, NY | Re: Sort of apples and oranges What about spectrum? Who defines what frequencies the WiMAX chip operates in/at? And if there are options, what are consumer electronic manufacturers doing? | |
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| WiMAX US and international International markets overwhelm the potential in the US for WiMAX. That said, lots of folks are pulling for it here, not least the device manufacturers who get to deal with a WiMAX standard rather than laborious certification through a carrier. And it's available now. LTE still has a few years to go.
Side note- I believe LTE is OFDM too.
Perspective from a CES panel here: »connectedhome2go.com/2008/01/14/···-part-1/ | |
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