  ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA | States have enough money The States don't have a revenue problem.
They have a spending problem.
We aren't an ATM to throttle every time an irresponsible State gov't (like California) wastes money.
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Chicago, IL | Re: States have enough money Illinois needs money.. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: States have enough money said by BK:Illinois needs money.. There is nothing stopping you from cutting a check and mailing it to them, over and on top of the tax you already pay.
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| | | | | Re: States have enough money Illinois needs plenty of money, and if we get enough, we'll send you some to seal your border. your problem has become our problem!
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | wow! Twice in one week we agree.  | |
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Greenwich, CT | said by BK:Illinois needs money.. Connecticut sure enough needs money.. just ask the people here how much we already get taxed now! | |
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| | | | | Re: States have enough money You live in Greenwich. I don't know if you can complain that much... obviously I'm basing my comment on the assumption that because you live in the richest city/town in the state, you probably make much more than the average Connecticut income. The taxes here are even more burdensome for lower to middle income families in the state. Why do you think you see tons of properties for sale in recent years? Everybody's getting the hell out of Dodge. | |
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Greenwich, CT | Re: States have enough money I hate living in Greenwich because everyone in the tri-state area always thinks your loaded with money  | |
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New Fairfield, CT | You said it right there, it is the debate on how much more and is it worth to soak the tax payer even more. | |
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| bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
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hiatus | I don't know about California, but I wouldn't mind paying it my state simply because of the current condition of the state.
If our state earmarked the taxes the collected from broadband access to something important to the state - coastal restoration, habitat reconstruction, Katrina reconstruction, infrastructure upgrades - I might consider it. If, however, they took it and put it into the general fund, no way, they can take a one way swamp ride.
We just had a vote in our state government for a pay increase... You wanna bet how THAT went ?
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| | ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
2 edits | Re: States have enough money In California they do that type of stuff, create a new tax or fee that is supposed to fund "a good cause". The problem is the law is written so that it actually goes into the general fund, or only gets spend on that "good cause" in fully funded years. With it in the general fund, they simply spend it on other stuff, and in any 'fully funded year' they simply spend so much that they're no longer fully funded.
The Congress just passed another bloated farm bill, subsidizing farmers for corn and soy crops while those crops are already reaping record prices. And subsidies go to people already making $250,000 a year.
Nothing ever changes. The gov't on all levels is like a drug addict and instead of taking away the drug (money) we are expected to just give them more.
In California, state spending is totally out of control
2008 budget $148 billion
1998 budget $60 billion
Our budget has gone up 146% in the last 10 years and the state is doing worse than ever. With energy deregulation in the state electricity prices are out of control, excise taxes have the state making 200% the profit off a gallon of gas than Exxon gets, schools are a complete mess despite record spending.
I don't want to give them another penny until I have something to show for the last zillion pennies they got from me.
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kudos:2 | Re: States have enough money said by ColorBASIC:I don't want to give them another penny until I have something to show for the last zillion pennies they got from me. Look around you. Taxes pay for all kinds of things (clearly visible or not) that people take for granted. There's plenty of government waste, but things aren't free either. | |
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Corona, CA
1 edit | Re: States have enough money Yeah, but we used to get it for $60 billion and now get less for $150 billion.
Population and inflation didn't go up 150% over the last 10 years.
Our State just spends like a bunch of drunken sailors.
They have more than enough money.
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Spencer, MA | Re: States have enough money Part of the reason for the rise in budgets are little things like the cost of energy and the cost of healthcare.
Look at what your health insurance cost 10 years ago, look at what you payed for a KWH of electricity 10 years ago, look at what you paid for a gallon of gas 10 years ago. You may not want to believe it but the state has to pay for all these things and are just as hit by rising costs of those as we are. | |
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Miami, FL | Re: States have enough money It's not only that but the government has a list of contractors that do the job for them, usually milking them for all they got. | |
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| | | | | | | Actually, the cost of goods in some cases has gone up as much as 300%. Most notably...fuel and real estate. Governments require both to operate.
The reason they claim "Inflation" is non existent is because our wages have not gone up to accommodate for the increased cost of goods. Since 1998 the price of a home with 3 bedrooms, a decent lot, and a real 2 car garage (minimum 2' on each side of the door) in ND went from about 90k to 220k. In parts of California, you can't even buy an outhouse for 350k.(only a mild exaggeration)
As far as the farm bill goes....explain how a farmer who make 250k/year pays for a 1M tractor let alone enough 1M tractors to make 250k. If your not in an Ag community you have no right to judge this bill. Food is a hell of a lot more important than the Bush Iraq Occupation which cost a whole lot more to fund than the AG industry. The Ag Bill is part of a cheap food policy, without it a gallon of milk would be triple the price it is today. Ethanol would cost 6 times more than a gallon of gasoline. For those of us living pay check to pay check, we simply can't afford increased food costs.....without quitting our jobs, selling our vehicles, and living off the government.
And by the way, we do pay sales tax in ND on Broadband.
For those of you that don't believe in Government, go move to one of those African countries that don't do anything for their citizens or maybe Lebanon and see how you like it. You wouldn't have to pay taxes, but you wouldn't have any money to pay the taxes in the first place. You wrongies don't realize just how screwed they'd be without the government. We'd turn into a third world country, so just go move to a third world country and quit your bitchin. | |
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Tulsa, OK
1 edit | said by ColorBASIC:The Congress just passed another bloated farm bill, subsidizing farmers for corn and soy crops while those crops are already reaping record prices. And subsidies go to people already making $250,000 a year. More Corporate welfare. Although they like to wrap it up as a "Farm Bill" and talk about helping "farmers", this type of crap really is just a massive windfall for the likes of ADM... much like "Ethanol" tax breaks and the such....
Ever wonder how farmers can be broke and going out of business left and right yet the prices for food products in the stores keeps soaring? It's because all the money is taken by the huge middlemen and processors while most farmers receive a pittance for their product and the consumer gets bent over for it in the stores.
A classic example is Milk.... It's close to $4.00 a gallon here, but the farmer gets around $1.50-$1.65 a gallon for it, and that's for the full whole milk with cream. They barely make anything, yet we at the store get bent over. | |
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1 edit | ColorBasic hit the nail on the head. California DON'T need any more b.s. taxes. | |
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League City, TX | Re: States have enough money Of course they do as long as they don't have to pay for it. | |
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Sigh.
Who was it who coined the phrase "There's only two sure things in life... Death and taxes."?
While I'm 100% opposed to more taxes like this, why do I feel 100% sure it's inevitable....  | |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ | Ban the tax on TV. They tax POTS to death and want to give TV a free ride. Turn out the lights the party is over. | |
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | I don't like it. I don't want to pay a broadband tax, but I believe this is an issue that should be in state hands. I am firmly against my state having a broadband tax, but I'm equally against the federal government making that decision for us. | |
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Lisle, IL | Will You Pay State Broadband Tax? Will I? Yes, we'll have to eventually.
Do I want to? No
You don't think they're gonna let go of that revenue forever do you? | |
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|  Jodokast96Stupid people really piss me off.Premium
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Erial, NJ
kudos:2 | Re: Will You Pay State Broadband Tax? Maybe if the gov. classified broadband as a utility. Not even sure I want that, but wouldn't be able to bitch as much. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Will You Pay State Broadband Tax? sorry it's NOT an utility as it is not need to live in you house | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Will You Pay State Broadband Tax? That's why I said if it were, I couldn't bitch as much. | |
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| | Taxation w/o representation Dump our dsl & cablemodems into the harbor?
I'm afraid this is a tax without merit. The media says we are behind in broadband. So the politicos want everyone to have hi-speed. The industry in making so that we need internet (banking, shopping, information, filing, billing, ...) and have no other option.
If states stopped privatizing their previously regulated resources, and enlisted better management and accounting principles, then maybe there would be coffers instead of credit counseling.
We suffer from a bad example: our federal government has spent money based on taxes to be collected more than 10 years out. So, what model do we have to follow but to spend on credit based on the value of our current worth and equity. Please, have more kids...so I can retire...and have medicare and SS check each month! | |
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|  ARGONAUTgot android?Premium
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New Albany, IN
kudos:1 | Re: Taxation w/o representation Everything is going up except our wages. | |
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Taxation w/o representation said by ARGONAUT:Everything is going up except our wages. Not true! I got a pay increase.... first time in 3 years, too! Wow, so lucky!
Some quick figuring and I realize that this "increase" adds up to less then 1/4th of the increase in price of ONE tank of gas.... for a standard passenger car. In other words, the raise is a joke. I'm betting there's many others out there with similar generous "raises."
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | My personal believe is that a tax on something should go back to benefit that something. If they are going to tax broadband, that tax should go to pay for broadband improvement or something. IE: Don't tax my broadband to pay for social programs, parks, education, or state salaries. If they need some money for the parks, collect it upon entrance. Need money for education? Tax the student or collect fees.. and so on.
When ever they need more money because they can't spend what they have efficiently, they go to the "what haven't we taxed yet" committee and levee a tax.
**NEWS FLASH**
NOT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE NEEDS TO BE TAXED!
It's funny that we don't tax a necessity like food, but electricity, a tax, IS.
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Lakewood, OH | whats it for whats the tax for? slap on a name and call it a tax? more nsa black boxes for att datacenters? To fund that 5 million dollar fbi wiretapping bill we saw the other day?
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New York, NY | Re: whats it for Soon everyone will be taxed 110% of their income | |
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Washington, DC | hmm Tax something if you want less of it. Internet activity is still not at 90%, once it gets to that point I'd be OK with a tax. But tax will just slow down our getting to that point. | |
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| | Permanent tax bans don't exist Why are almost all new taxes permanent, but any tax ban is only temporary??? | |
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| ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA | Re: Permanent tax bans don't exist Because politicians are nothing but a bunch of scum sucking greedy whores? | |
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Corona, CA | Re: if they charge tax You rebel! | |
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL | People want everything States have a spending problem because most people want everything in the world and have the "I Don't Want To Pay For It" mentality. Then you get the politicians and certain people who throw money at a "Broken Problem" cause they think more money fixes everything. You get the politicians who say "We Care" by throwing money at people. The mentality is throwing money at people will get them votes.
Why do states have Tax Free Holidays? The reason why is cause they over tax the people. When people have less to spend, they of course spend less. The same would be if people had more money then of course they would spend more. When people buy more then tax revenue goes up, states have budget surpluses, and everyone is happy.
The states want the internet tax so they can fund NEW government programs, not what's current. The old saying is, once the government creates a program, it never goes away. | |
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join:2002-01-22
00000 | pay as you go system the problem is that taxes are pooled--the public doesn't see where the benefit of taxes is.
they need to implement a new system of pay as you go. implement a tax? all tax revenue minus (.05 percent for administration and oversight) must go towards a particular project DETAILED DOWN TO THE VERY LAST POINT. this is needed because USF and other slush fund taxes.
also, all consumer bills need to be clearer to avoid having companies hide fake taxes in them. for example, this would be a bill:
SERVICE: $39.99
TAXES: $4.25
TOTAL: etc.
any "fees" added by a company that last more than 6 months (of ever 24 months) must be included on the service line. no more bullshit. | |
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|  natedjElectedPremium
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Columbia, SC
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1 edit | Re: pay as you go system Will You Pay State Broadband Tax?
... that is an unfair question. That's like asking do I want to grow old, of course not!
Can I control it? no I can't ... the best I can do is to try in futility to slow its process, but its inevitable.
I've learned that if there is a faint resemblance of a situation where monetary gain can be attained, that avenue will be exploited leaving the tax payer to foot the bill. We will never pay enough taxes and in the end, the house always wins. We can send a guy into office,and he can have a heart for the people and good intentions but the system is so corrupt it won't be long till he'll be following the old proverb ... "when in Rome, do as the Romans"
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Forest, OH | I Say Tax Broadband Those of us in 'the sticks', won't have to worry about paying it | |
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Columbia, SC Reviews:
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| Re: I Say Tax Broadband said by Nuts65:Those of us in 'the sticks', won't have to worry about paying it Until someone has the smart idea to tax rural dwellers for the cost to implement broadband facilities in their area
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Forest, OH | Re: I Say Tax Broadband They already do, it's called the USF | |
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join:2000-06-26
Camelot
kudos:2 | They all are greedy. Democrats given it away and Republicans and their Cronies run away with it but we still pay no matter who finds a way to spend it.
Lets think more about less taxes for waste and spend what they already collect for our betterment. Stop feeding the world's poor corrupt governments and give to our poor so they be helped to live better and get an education.
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| | | Re: They all are greedy. O these f'n pols. Tax on my DSL not bad but the city of St. Louis tacks on 11.11% to each cell phone line. Go 2 miles into St. Louis county and its only 5.76% | |
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| | I would pay the tax I used to live in CA and now live in Nevada. I have no broadband options lol! Dialup is not all that bad. I would pay the tax if it was put towards more for broadband in my state. Which there is a real lack of where I live.
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| | Tax on "Free Speech" If the internet is the exchange of ideas, why tax it?
Tax my email: NO.
Tax the spammers instead. That will generate lots of money! | |
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join:2002-01-07
Olympia, WA Reviews:
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| Re: Tax on "Free Speech" The Internet is far more than an exchange of ideas. It's become a major center for business commerce as well as entertainment. The days when the Internet primarily served as an "exchange of ideas" are far behind us.
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Olympia, WA Reviews:
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| It's only a matter of time Unfortunately, tax free broadband Internet was bound to come to an end, just like paying sales tax for items purchased over the Internet (in those states who have a sales tax). I knew that was coming too. It's all just a matter of time.
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 TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
join:2002-01-25
Gibsonton, FL |  Taxes are WONDERFULL
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