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join:2001-03-15 Smithtown, NY | Is there any other competition? I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. Bingo. -- WhY sO SeRiOUs!? | |
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join:2001-03-15 Smithtown, NY | Re: Is there any other competition? Of course the customers will have to eventually pay the $19 million. | |
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join:2006-07-22 Abilene, TX | Re: Is there any other competition? I know you are kidding, but it does make we wonder when my crap town will get HD readio. It took us forever to get digital coverage for cell phones, but that is another story. | |
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| 3 year price cap on the merger. Plus, haven't you heard of Radio, CD's, ipods, MP3 players? Plenty of ways for folks to listen to music.
This a pay for service product, you don't have to buy it if you don't want it. If prices get to high, people won't buy the service. | |
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| said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. There's plenty of competition to satellite radio:
1. Traditional off-air radio stations which are free. 2. MP3 players loaded with your own audio recordings.
I don't see what the issue is with the price as satellite radio is a luxury service. People who can't afford it shouldn't be buying it to begin with. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by pnh102 :said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. There's plenty of competition to satellite radio: 1. Traditional off-air radio stations which are free. 2. MP3 players loaded with your own audio recordings. I don't see what the issue is with the price as satellite radio is a luxury service. People who can't afford it shouldn't be buying it to begin with. I'm in full agreement with you here. I don't buy the argument that there is no competition to satellite radio.
You have, as you said, traditional radio. Then people have MP3 players which can be connected to any car via an FM transmitter, or the direct "aux" link right to the stereo. Or, in some cases, your car's CD player/changer will play MP3 data discs. I've loaded up a 700MB CD before with a number of songs, and used that in lieu of my Sirius, when the mood struck me. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by Jeffrey :said by Neyland :Sure, but isn't there much more to Sat radio than the music? There's some exclusive content, like Howard Stern on Sirius. That's no different - in my eyes - than The Sopranos exclusive to HBO or Weeds exclusive to Showtime. If you want to watch either of those shows, you have to subscribe. There's not 'some' exclusive content... compared to most areas normal radio it has ALOT of exclusive radio. There's easily 50 channels on my XM that I can't get by radio,cd, or MP3 player.
For those, there is no compititon. For music, sure there's compitition, but there's probably an equal amount without compition now the two are one. | |
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1 edit | Re: Is there any other competition? said by Neyland :said by Jeffrey :said by Neyland :Sure, but isn't there much more to Sat radio than the music? There's some exclusive content, like Howard Stern on Sirius. That's no different - in my eyes - than The Sopranos exclusive to HBO or Weeds exclusive to Showtime. If you want to watch either of those shows, you have to subscribe. TThere's easily 50 channels on my XM that I can't get by radio,cd, or MP3 player. Traditional FM radio isn't like Satellite radio, so I don't find it an accurate comparison between music. Satellite radio is setup by genre to gear toward a specific listening audience, and FM radio is setup to sell music.
Sirius has Howard, Martha, NFL, NHL, etc. XM has MLB and Oprah.
If you want The Sopranos or Weeds, then buck up for HBO and/or Showtime. If not, you're stuck with basic cable. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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| said by Jeffrey :said by Neyland :Sure, but isn't there much more to Sat radio than the music? There's some exclusive content, like Howard Stern on Sirius. That's no different - in my eyes - than The Sopranos exclusive to HBO or Weeds exclusive to Showtime. If you want to watch either of those shows, you have to subscribe. there is a lot more than that. Think Onstar. Whatever Onstar can do, there can do but for a larger audience. Music is just one factor. You have real time GPS, traffic, video just to name a few. terrestial radio can not meet that, hence their complaint. The NAB can still appeal this with the U.S courts of Appeal | |
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| You guys don't get it,they cant afford to raise prices they cant be a monopoly because no one really needs them.It's a luxury to have it not a necessity if they try and raise prices and screw with the consumer the consumer can go back to free radio or their ipod that simple.Lets say McDonalds and Burger King merged it's not a monopoly on fast food restaurants you can eat anywhere same thing with this merger we don't need satellite radio,its nice to have and I like it but the second they try to strangle hold me Im out. | |
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3 edits | Re: Is there any other competition? I cannot for the life of me understand why Satellite Radio is such a big deal? did you know you can hear the very same kinda music on free Radio or HD Radio, the only REAL difference is, Satellite Radio has NO ADDS, but it's still the same ole gener crap played and aired on ANY Radio.....I have SIRIUS-on-line Radio it cost $13.84 a month, (I don't want or need it in my car) and I only like a few Channles, some of my FAVS are: Totally 70's, Soul Town, The Strobe, and form what I understand XM-Radio has almost the exact same thing -- Gateway MX6453 * AMD X 2 Duo Core 64 Mobile 1.6 GHz * 3GB * 667MHz* DDR2 Memory * Vista Ultimate w/ SP1 | |
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| said by denb45 :did you know you can hear the very same kinda music on free Radio or HD Radio, the only REAL difference is, Satellite Radio has NO ADDS No ads on the music channels is nice, but another major difference is I have my choice of 100+ stations on satellite. That's quite a few more stations than I can pick up on any AM/FM/HD receiver and probably more songs to choose from than I could have available in my 6-disc CD changer.
Besides, I pay to listen to Howard and Bubba. Everything else that comes with it is just bonus. | |
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join:2003-02-04 USA | Re: Is there any other competition? I also pay for Opie and Anthony, Ron and Fez, Fox and CNN News, Baseball, College Football, 60/20 Sports, Radio Disney and XM Kids, etc....
Of course... steaming of the above over the net. | |
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| said by denb45 :I cannot for the life of me understand why Satellite Radio is such a big deal? did you know you can hear the very same kinda music on free Radio or HD Radio, the only REAL difference is, Satellite Radio has NO ADDS, but it's still the same ole gener crap played and aired on ANY Radio.....I have SIRIUS-on-line Radio it cost $13.84 a month, (I don't want or need it in my car) and I only like a few Channles, some of my FAVS are: Totally 70's, Soul Town, The Strobe, and form what I understand XM-Radio has almost the exact same thing You are paying for radio since you listen to it online.
And there is a difference otherwise you wouldn't pay for it in the first place. 
Do this. Take your favorite channels and find that same music on regular radio. When you realize that you can't in many cases, then you will see why people pay for radio. | |
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join:2001-08-19 Austin, TX | Try driving toward west Texas from where I live and after about an hour, you are trying to find a station to listen to and then repeat that activity every 30 minutes or so. | |
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| said by denb45 :did you know you can hear the very same kinda music on free Radio or HD Radio I have heard hundreds of songs on Sirius classic rock stations that I have never heard and will never hear on free FM radio.
The playlists aren't even close.
When is the last time you heard a Frank Zappa song on FM radio? Or the entire 11+ minute track, "The End" by the Doors?
I'm not sure how you say you use Sirius online, but then you say they just play the same old crap on any radio, when clearly that is not the case, unless you CHOOSE to listen to the top 40's Sirius/XM stations. Then yes, you'll hear the same crap you'd hear on FM. | |
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join:2007-07-20 Mechanicsburg, PA | Re: Is there any other competition? You must be a Hard Attack listener on Sirius.. Myself I perfer channel 20 (Octane).. | |
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| said by jclos :You guys don't get it,they cant afford to raise prices they cant be a monopoly because no one really needs them.It's a luxury to have it not a necessity if they try and raise prices and screw with the consumer the consumer can go back to free radio or their ipod that simple.Lets say McDonalds and Burger King merged it's not a monopoly on fast food restaurants you can eat anywhere same thing with this merger we don't need satellite radio,its nice to have and I like it but the second they try to strangle hold me Im out. Actually, you don't get it. It IS a monopoly, according to people who know about these things. They WILL raise prices, after the 3 years is up. They need to stay in business. When a replacement satellite needs to go up, one network will get killed off to save money. Channels will merge, channels will get dropped. The XM name could be dropped to save advertisement money. Talkshow hosts pay will drop a bit. All this to save money. It IS a luxury service, but people will continue to pay (quietly). It's like a cable company, you don't need cable. You could use over the air tv, but you get more channels with cable. The cable companies (like comcast) raise prices to make more profit, some people switch to other smaller cable companies or move over to satellite, but the majority of them will continue to quietly pay the higher price. If McD and BK did merge, you know people will continue to go there.
The reason that both services were $12.95/month, was because they WERE competing. XM and Sirius didn't listen to the FCC in the late 90s, and because of THAT they now were able to merge. What the FCC didn't say now as a requirement is for them to sell off some spectrum, so another sat radio competitor could form. Looks like they don't want that, do they? Saying that they compete with regular radio and the mp3 player is like saying batteries compete with the AC adapter. Regular radio is free, and there's many commercials, and is limited to a city metro area. MP3 players contain music that you want to hear specifically. It's like saying over the air tv competes with cable/satellite tv. You get what you pay for. Free tv has limited amount of channels, but if you pay for cable/sat you get more. How about for truckers, they'll have 1 sat radio provider to choose from. | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? not totally true. the providers (NFL, Starz, etc.,) raises prices to the cable company who in turn passes that on to the subscribers. have you notice the internet is the same price year after year but not cable tv? that is why.
about sat. radio, when the artists raises their prices sirius will pass that on to the consumers. | |
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| said by jclos :You guys don't get it,they cant afford to raise prices they cant be a monopoly because no one really needs them.It's a luxury to have it not a necessity if they try and raise prices and screw with the consumer the consumer can go back to free radio or their ipod that simple.Lets say McDonalds and Burger King merged it's not a monopoly on fast food restaurants you can eat anywhere same thing with this merger we don't need satellite radio,its nice to have and I like it but the second they try to strangle hold me Im out. You mean like CABLE TV????????? --
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join:2007-06-22 Portland, OR | The problem is both were losing money. simply the market could not support competition. Regardless prices will have to be raised. The again, I do not see this as a viable business model. PS there still competition, terrestrial radio, and Podcast. | |
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Maybe it was just best to keep them split just for consumer choice... | |
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| said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. But you're the reason they wont raise prices. You dont NEED satellite radio. If they raise their prices, people will just drop their subscription and use their Ipod, or listen to the normal radio. They have lots of competition. | |
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| said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. What's your point? This is not a "necessity" as cable TV, phone, or power is determined to be. The price for this technology will be regulated by the market. If they raise rates too high, people just won't pay it and will be able to find their sports, music, and talk elsewhere.
Satellite radio competes for the consumer's disposable income along with everything from free radio to CDs, to mp3 players, to the internet, and both companies combined have only 5% of the market. | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by MadMANN :and both companies combined have only 5% of the market. 5% of what market exactly? If what they say is to be believed, they have 20 million combined subscribers.
Even if we get silly, and say that all 300 million U.S. citizens are radio listeners, and that would be 100% of the radio market listeners, and you take that 20 million XM/Sirius subscriber number... you'd get 6.67%, that is a bit higher than 5%, especially when you consider that not all 300 million US citizens are the actual market. It would be actual households counted as listeners/subscribers. That would put it significantly higher than 5% of the radio market.
But you didn't really say what market. | |
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| There is plenty of competition from free FM/AM radio. The keyword is that it is free.
Not to mention, iPods and other MP3 players that easily work in cars nowadays.
If they raise the prices, people can easily fall back to the competition that has ALWAYS existed.
It's not like they can force anyone to pay higher prices. | |
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| As long as they don't mess with the best-of-breed channels I'm hoping they don't fudge with the channels that are best-of-breed. XM has some great Alt. Rock / Classic Rock channels, and I've been told that Sirrus has some great top-40 channels. I'm hoping that these mergers don't destroy the channels people have grown to love over the last nearly 10 years. | |
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join:2002-12-20 Yonkers, NY | Re: As long as they don't mess with the best-of-breed channels Yes let hope so I tried xm on the web and some of their rock stations are really good. | |
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| Alright I dont think its such a terrible thing- the fact that both these companies are hemorrhaging cash prevents them from jacking up prices. Being able to pick 50 channels and only have to pay $6.99 is a great deal since I only really listen to 4 or 5 channels on XM consistently.
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| said by Jagermeistr :In less than 80 days however Opie and Anthonys contract runs out, XM better resign them. Amen!
Since we have 4 radios in a family plan, I don't want to pay more than the current family option for each add on radio than I currently pay. | |
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| Okay, now let's see what channels get the axe The only downside to this merger is that some channels are no doubt going to get the axe... As long as the dance/electronic channels, BBC Radio One and the NPR stations stay, I'll be happy, but other subs might not like it. -- --- Eleven years of carrying The Clue Bat... | |
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| Merger I really don't think that mp3, HD radio, radio, etc were valid forms of competition, I'm glad to see them merge. I have both radios and it's just too expensive as all but 1 are considered "primary" so I'm paying full price for 2 radios. I think I might still jump on the $77/year XM deal as I don't think it will be beat. But I'll call that the primary radio and take 1/2 price on the other 2. | |
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join:2007-06-22 Portland, OR | Re: Merger In away it is, the merged companies need new business to survive but I see as an unnecessary expense when I can jut rip my CD to and Mp3 player or download the commercial free Podcast. | |
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| Re: Merger said by Richard B :In away it is, the merged companies need new business to survive but I see as an unnecessary expense when I can jut rip my CD to and Mp3 player or download the commercial free Podcast. Does that music change everytime you listen to it? How muh did it cost? Comparing mp3s or CDs to sat. radio is not really valid. | |
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join:2001-07-22 | Re: Sirus Life Time Subscription Yeah, Sirius is going to piss off the consumer right away by nixing the people who invested in a lifetime sub.
Yeah right.
You're lifetime sub will have the same amount of service that you originally bought. Forever. | |
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| Re: Sirus Life Time Subscription said by keysgate :... A LIFETIME SATELLITE RADIO SUBSCRIPTION (WHICH IS A SUBSCRIPTION THAT CONTINUES FOR THE LIFE OF THE RECEIVER) IS NOT TRANSFERABLE IF IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH A ..(from sirius web-site) i don't think your radio will last "FOREVER" Hum, they told me when I signed up that I can transfer it to a new radio for a small fee. And who says my radio won't last forever? I have a receiver from Lafayette Radio Electronics from 1972 that still works  -- The older I get, the more I prefer to hang out with my dogs than be with humanity | |
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| They must honor them. The agreement you have with the company is a liability. When a company merges or is purchased, they must also honor all liabilities. If XM sold you a lifetime subscription, the new company must also honor that as well.. as they have said, for the life of the radio. | |
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1 edit | . Well, the main problem I see now, is that now that it IS "official", I bet that all these existing XM & Sirius radios sitting on store shelves are NOT going to be flying off the shelves. (not that they are anyway...) Smart people are NOT going to buy a radio knowing that it will ONLY get partial service for the foreseeable future - they will wait until those "universal" radios are made, so at least they can be relatively assured of being future-proofed for the new combined company. | |
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join:2002-01-17 Enola, PA | 2 thoughts (((xm))) subscriber here. lack of competition rarely benefits the consumer. pls don't mess w/ audio visions. | |
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| Re: 2 thoughts said by ebubman :(((xm))) subscriber here. lack of competition rarely benefits the consumer. pls don't mess w/ audio visions. You do realzie if they didn't merge one( possibly both ) would go out of business and the survivor could immediately raise prices if they wished. Is that good for the consumer? This way prices are frozen for 3 years. | |
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| Re: 2 thoughts Satellite Radio is a luxury, if you can't afford the service increase, then cancel it!
I have a "dual-subscription", XM and Sirius, and I really don't believe that one of them would've gone out of business. If you look at their economic charts, in the next two or three years, both companies would've started to make a profit.
FM Radio/HD Radio, iPod/iPhone, Sprint/Verizon streaming EVDO... all seem like viable competition to me. I would rather have "CD Quality" digital, ad-free music available from coast-to-coast. It was nice in a recent road trip from Dallas, TX to San Francisco, CA to be able to listen to XM 202 and WaterColors the entire trip. Beats loading CD's, driving through a cellular dead zone, or ::shudders:: censored, ad-riddled FM/HD Radio.
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1 edit | XM vs Sirius About time... Wouldn't you know though, I just purchased a Sirius radio to sit along side my portable XM. I tend to like the Sirius content allot better than XM, however Sirius repeater coverage absolutely sucks here in and around DC and my apartment faces the east so no Sat signal at all.
I do get one bar of Sat signal with XM, however its not really needed as there's a XM repeater about a mile down the road. I can carry my Delphi MyFi anywhere around here and get a signal. Very nice! I even get a XM signal at work underground in a building with quite a few concrete walls from the repeater. So in my situation it'll definitely be great to get Sirius content over on my XM radio.
Now question is, what about the technology? Are they compatible and does either provider have enough bandwidth on the satellites to cover cross-programming? XM may need to drop their HD audio channels that only a small percentage of the customer base listens to that will free up some bandwidth. It'll be interesting to see. -- »www.2700.us »YourIPData.com »OkazakiTech.com »www.DIYwebserver.com | |
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| This is great. Finally, After all this wait we have Fcc approval. Sirius/Xm both offer great service and now theyre one company we all benefit. There are things that will still compete with this company. Internet radio, Hd radio, Ipods/phones, Free radio are all still going to compete. The only real pisser to me about this entire deal is the la carte. If i understand correctly, You have to get new gear to get it. I thought it would be offered to everyone. Other than that im happy about this deal and this means satrad is now a big deal and will become bigger. | |
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| Re: XM vs Sirius The thing is, they are not compatible with each other.
They each have 12.5 MHz of spectrum that is adjacent to each other, but their audio codecs are entirely different. Sirius uses Lucent, Perceptual Audio Coding (PAC); while XM uses CT-AACPlus from Coding Technologies (the same company that eventually produced HD Radio, aka. IBOC (In-band/On-channel).
So it will be quite interesting to see how they use each other's network infrastructure (satellites/repeaters/spectrum), to add in more content.
Eventually new radios will be able to pick up both services, and if they are smart (please pray) they will move to a more advanced audio codec on those new radios to get better quality for the new radios. Instead, I fear they will just allow consumers to listen to both services offerings which would be short sighted.
Audio codecs have came a long way since they started broadcasting, and how would be a great opportunity to move to a more advanced system. | |
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| Re: XM vs Sirius said by SterlingJ85 :The thing is, they are not compatible with each other. They simply have to broadcast both content on each system. TaDa, no need for dual radios. | |
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| Re: XM vs Sirius Yes they could do that, but it would be a real waste... Twice the infrastructure to carry identical content?
Not to mention XM/Sirius have proprietary systems for things like NavTraffic and Weather services (XM), and Sirius Backseat TV. -- -Sterling | |
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join:2000-10-04 Acworth, GA | Woo Hoo!! Great, I'll make sure and update my budget records in Quicken to increase my satellite radio payments. In a world with only one sat radio provider, where do we think prices will go? | |
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  captblaze
join:2002-02-15 Pontiac, MI
| XM Sirius merger = consumer gets "f" ed what everyone fails to realize is that terrestrial radio is only competition in a 100 mile radius from the radio transmitter, where satellite covers most of the country. the issue i have with this is XM customers have never been offered a lifetime subscription where Sirius customers have. so i can guarantee regardless of price increase or decrease when my current term ends i will walk from this mega merger unless i am given a lifetime subscription at no additional cost.
once again it shows how much integrity the FCC (fat cash cow) has. as long as they get a big wad of cash "F" the consumer -- flame on! | |
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 |   antwanp Beyond FM, Beyond AM, XM Satellite Radio Premium join:2002-05-14 Cedar Hill, TX clubs:  | Re: XM Sirius merger = consumer gets "f" ed XM Does have lifetime subscriptions... | |
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join:2002-02-15 Pontiac, MI
1 edit | Re: XM Sirius merger = consumer gets "f" ed i have to call bravo sierra on that comment... since when have they? there is a free trial, but no lifetime subscription... i have been with XM since 2003 and not once have i seen a lifetime offer in any mailing sent (or on the XM website)... just a bill to continue or loose service | |
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  Maccawolf Premium join:2001-02-20 Hillsdale, NJ | Stock prices? So does that mean my stock prices will finally start going up? they've been tanking for like 5 years now..... --
Mom and Crockett...... I miss you both! | |
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@rr.com | Re: Stock prices? There is a price freeze but dosent have anythinbg to do when they charge u for the equipment which is gonna be double i guess that is where they gonna make there money back. | |
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 stridr69
join:2003-05-19 San Luis Obispo, CA
| Enjoy the ride... Which I will continue to do with my Roady2/Inno1 XM receivers. Both have the FM modulators which I use constantly. Unlike XM's current offerings with SureConnect. Am I worried these two receivers will be "bricked" due to having "too powerful" FM modulators(roady2 specifically). Nope. In fact, I'm looking into getting a SkyFi II for this reason alone. Per XM's statement".....no current receiver will become obsolete due to the merger...", I'll continue to enjoy what I've had for the last three years-great radio, no commercials on the music channels, ect... Relax folks...and enjoy the ride.  And no price increase for 3 years isn't so bad either. | |
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  signmeupBOO Tune in to XM 120. BOO Premium join:2001-11-22 BOOganville clubs: 
·Future Nine Corpor..
·AT&T Southeast
| No more progressive rock channel on XM Online?! I realize that I am in the minority when it comes to loving progressive rock as a first choice, but gee:
First XM moved the prog channel off satellite to online only, and now it looks like music lab is completely gone?
Sure, they weren't doing too good a job with the channel, for instance, it seemed they were obsessed with phish which I can't stand. Sure, they failed to play any of the plethera of European and Asian prog bands, severely limiting out some of the best prog rock that there is. Sure, the play list wasn't filled with enough more savory music, but still, it was prog. I wonder, can I complain to the FCC, heh?
Does Sirius have a prog channel? -- You know your life has gotten "DICEY" when it turns into an episode of LOST, like my ex wife, who I swear is one of "The Others". Cancer and other diseases kill fellow members here at DSLR! Easy: Join us in Teams Helix and Discovery to save the world! | |
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 |   28482647 Premium join:2003-05-13 England | Re: No more progressive rock channel on XM Online?! It seems they failed at alot. Perhaps this is why it is no more? Just a thought. | |
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  signmeupBOO Tune in to XM 120. BOO Premium join:2001-11-22 BOOganville clubs:  | Is there an online link to the terms? Where can I find out what the channel line up will be after the merger? I don't know what I could get after the merger... | |
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  ptrowski Got Helix? Premium join:2005-03-14 Putnam, CT clubs: | New radios in a few months.. I thought originally they said that the radios should be fine? Now I have to get a who new radio to benefit? Mine is only six months old.  | |
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 UncleDirtNap
join:2006-08-26 Pittsburgh, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| Dodged a bullet ... Phew, I was literally a day away from buying two radios, one for the car and one for home and an XM subscription when I heard of the proposed merger.
So glad I held off cause I'd be soooo P.O.d if I'd spent my money and found myself having to choose between trashing the equipment or subsidizing Howard Stern and the inbred thugs in the NBA and NFL.
No satellite radio in my future I guess. | |
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