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 |  |   PBX Tech Godsmack on XM48 Squizz Premium join:2000-09-20 Norwich, CT edit: July 26th, @10:03AM
| Re: 'Bout friggin' time agreed. and whats the $19 million be paid to the U.S. Treasury for outstanding charges of violations related to radio receivers and ground-based signal repeaters. | |
|  |  |   quetwo That VoIP Guy Premium join:2004-09-04 East Lansing, MI
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| Re: 'Bout friggin' time XM was found to be putting out too much wattage on their terresterial repeaters early last year. The FCC granted them X wattage for a certain site, they were outputting 2*X. This is why in Chicago, Denver, Atlanta and parts of St. Louis that you have less coverage in the downtown areas than you did last year. | |
|  bgraham
join:2001-03-15 Smithtown, NY | Is there any other competition? I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. Bingo. -- WhY sO SeRiOUs!? | |
|  |  |  bgraham
join:2001-03-15 Smithtown, NY | Re: Is there any other competition? Of course the customers will have to eventually pay the $19 million. | |
|  |  |  |   PBX Tech Godsmack on XM48 Squizz Premium join:2000-09-20 Norwich, CT edit: July 26th, @10:14AM
| Re: Is there any other competition? isnt there a price increase freeze for three years? "The companies voluntarily agreed to a set of conditions, including a three-year price cap...." | |
|  |  |  |  |  DoRight
join:2007-07-20 Mechanicsburg, PA | Re: Is there any other competition? Yes... | |
|  |  |  |  Austinloop
join:2001-08-19 Austin, TX | And, how, exactly, will this be different than any other business??? | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   neonhomer Premium join:2004-01-27 Edgewater, FL | Actually, I think there was some stipulation in the deal saying they can't change prices for 5 years.... | |
|  |  |  |  |   PBX Tech Godsmack on XM48 Squizz Premium join:2000-09-20 Norwich, CT | there's always HD radio available. lol | |
|  |  |  tbone2006
join:2006-07-22 Abilene, TX | Re: Is there any other competition? I know you are kidding, but it does make we wonder when my crap town will get HD readio. It took us forever to get digital coverage for cell phones, but that is another story. | |
|  |   TK Junk Mail Go ahead, make my day Premium join:2002-03-03 Margate City, NJ clubs:
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| The deal guarantees no price increases for 3 yrs: »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25856170/
The companies voluntarily agreed to a set of conditions, including a three-year price cap | |
|  |  |  |  |   chiadi
@rr.com | Re: Is there any other competition? TOO high, not "to high".... | |
|  |   pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD
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| said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. There's plenty of competition to satellite radio:
1. Traditional off-air radio stations which are free. 2. MP3 players loaded with your own audio recordings.
I don't see what the issue is with the price as satellite radio is a luxury service. People who can't afford it shouldn't be buying it to begin with. -- This isn't fair! I was only supposed to hate just ONE presidential candidate! | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by pnh102 :said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. There's plenty of competition to satellite radio: 1. Traditional off-air radio stations which are free. 2. MP3 players loaded with your own audio recordings. I don't see what the issue is with the price as satellite radio is a luxury service. People who can't afford it shouldn't be buying it to begin with. I'm in full agreement with you here. I don't buy the argument that there is no competition to satellite radio.
You have, as you said, traditional radio. Then people have MP3 players which can be connected to any car via an FM transmitter, or the direct "aux" link right to the stereo. Or, in some cases, your car's CD player/changer will play MP3 data discs. I've loaded up a 700MB CD before with a number of songs, and used that in lieu of my Sirius, when the mood struck me. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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|  |  |  |   Neyland85
join:2003-02-04 North Augusta, SC | Re: Is there any other competition? Sure, but isn't there much more to Sat radio than the music? | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by Jeffrey :said by Neyland85 :Sure, but isn't there much more to Sat radio than the music? There's some exclusive content, like Howard Stern on Sirius. That's no different - in my eyes - than The Sopranos exclusive to HBO or Weeds exclusive to Showtime. If you want to watch either of those shows, you have to subscribe. There's not 'some' exclusive content... compared to most areas normal radio it has ALOT of exclusive radio. There's easily 50 channels on my XM that I can't get by radio,cd, or MP3 player.
For those, there is no compititon. For music, sure there's compitition, but there's probably an equal amount without compition now the two are one. | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by Neyland85 :said by Jeffrey :said by Neyland85 :Sure, but isn't there much more to Sat radio than the music? There's some exclusive content, like Howard Stern on Sirius. That's no different - in my eyes - than The Sopranos exclusive to HBO or Weeds exclusive to Showtime. If you want to watch either of those shows, you have to subscribe. TThere's easily 50 channels on my XM that I can't get by radio,cd, or MP3 player. Traditional FM radio isn't like Satellite radio, so I don't find it an accurate comparison between music. Satellite radio is setup by genre to gear toward a specific listening audience, and FM radio is setup to sell music.
Sirius has Howard, Martha, NFL, NHL, etc. XM has MLB and Oprah.
If you want The Sopranos or Weeds, then buck up for HBO and/or Showtime. If not, you're stuck with basic cable. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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|  |  |  |  |  |   gsgsgsds
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| said by Jeffrey :said by Neyland85 :Sure, but isn't there much more to Sat radio than the music? There's some exclusive content, like Howard Stern on Sirius. That's no different - in my eyes - than The Sopranos exclusive to HBO or Weeds exclusive to Showtime. If you want to watch either of those shows, you have to subscribe. there is a lot more than that. Think Onstar. Whatever Onstar can do, there can do but for a larger audience. Music is just one factor. You have real time GPS, traffic, video just to name a few. terrestial radio can not meet that, hence their complaint. The NAB can still appeal this with the U.S courts of Appeal | |
|  |  jclos
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| You guys don't get it,they cant afford to raise prices they cant be a monopoly because no one really needs them.It's a luxury to have it not a necessity if they try and raise prices and screw with the consumer the consumer can go back to free radio or their ipod that simple.Lets say McDonalds and Burger King merged it's not a monopoly on fast food restaurants you can eat anywhere same thing with this merger we don't need satellite radio,its nice to have and I like it but the second they try to strangle hold me Im out. | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? I cannot for the life of me understand why Satellite Radio is such a big deal? did you know you can hear the very same kinda music on free Radio or HD Radio, the only REAL difference is, Satellite Radio has NO ADDS, but it's still the same ole gener crap played and aired on ANY Radio.....I have SIRIUS-on-line Radio it cost $13.84 a month, (I don't want or need it in my car) and I only like a few Channles, some of my FAVS are: Totally 70's, Soul Town, The Strobe, and form what I understand XM-Radio has almost the exact same thing -- Gateway MX6453 * AMD X 2 Duo Core 64 Mobile 1.6 GHz * 3GB * 667MHz* DDR2 Memory * Vista Ultimate w/ SP1 | |
|  |  |  |  macaholic Premium join:2003-08-31 Jackson Heights, NY
| Re: Is there any other competition? actaully we like the NPR and public news channels when we drive. Lets not forget some folks like listening to things outside of the playlist... -- "You don't subject minority rights to a referendum." Justice Minister Irwin Cotler of Canada | |
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| said by denb45 :did you know you can hear the very same kinda music on free Radio or HD Radio, the only REAL difference is, Satellite Radio has NO ADDS No ads on the music channels is nice, but another major difference is I have my choice of 100+ stations on satellite. That's quite a few more stations than I can pick up on any AM/FM/HD receiver and probably more songs to choose from than I could have available in my 6-disc CD changer.
Besides, I pay to listen to Howard and Bubba. Everything else that comes with it is just bonus. | |
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join:2003-03-15 Trenton, MI | your paying for NO ads. not the music. if you want to listen to two song tracks and then 15min. of the stupidest commercials--be my guest  | |
|  |  |  |  |   Neyland85
join:2003-02-04 North Augusta, SC | Re: Is there any other competition? I also pay for Opie and Anthony, Ron and Fez, Fox and CNN News, Baseball, College Football, 60/20 Sports, Radio Disney and XM Kids, etc....
Of course... steaming of the above over the net. | |
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| said by denb45 :I cannot for the life of me understand why Satellite Radio is such a big deal? did you know you can hear the very same kinda music on free Radio or HD Radio, the only REAL difference is, Satellite Radio has NO ADDS, but it's still the same ole gener crap played and aired on ANY Radio.....I have SIRIUS-on-line Radio it cost $13.84 a month, (I don't want or need it in my car) and I only like a few Channles, some of my FAVS are: Totally 70's, Soul Town, The Strobe, and form what I understand XM-Radio has almost the exact same thing You are paying for radio since you listen to it online.
And there is a difference otherwise you wouldn't pay for it in the first place. 
Do this. Take your favorite channels and find that same music on regular radio. When you realize that you can't in many cases, then you will see why people pay for radio. | |
|  |  |  |  Austinloop
join:2001-08-19 Austin, TX | Try driving toward west Texas from where I live and after about an hour, you are trying to find a station to listen to and then repeat that activity every 30 minutes or so. | |
|  |  |  |  smcallah
join:2004-08-05 Home
| said by denb45 :did you know you can hear the very same kinda music on free Radio or HD Radio I have heard hundreds of songs on Sirius classic rock stations that I have never heard and will never hear on free FM radio.
The playlists aren't even close.
When is the last time you heard a Frank Zappa song on FM radio? Or the entire 11+ minute track, "The End" by the Doors?
I'm not sure how you say you use Sirius online, but then you say they just play the same old crap on any radio, when clearly that is not the case, unless you CHOOSE to listen to the top 40's Sirius/XM stations. Then yes, you'll hear the same crap you'd hear on FM. | |
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join:2007-07-20 Mechanicsburg, PA | Re: Is there any other competition? You must be a Hard Attack listener on Sirius.. Myself I perfer channel 20 (Octane).. | |
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| said by jclos :You guys don't get it,they cant afford to raise prices they cant be a monopoly because no one really needs them.It's a luxury to have it not a necessity if they try and raise prices and screw with the consumer the consumer can go back to free radio or their ipod that simple.Lets say McDonalds and Burger King merged it's not a monopoly on fast food restaurants you can eat anywhere same thing with this merger we don't need satellite radio,its nice to have and I like it but the second they try to strangle hold me Im out. Actually, you don't get it. It IS a monopoly, according to people who know about these things. They WILL raise prices, after the 3 years is up. They need to stay in business. When a replacement satellite needs to go up, one network will get killed off to save money. Channels will merge, channels will get dropped. The XM name could be dropped to save advertisement money. Talkshow hosts pay will drop a bit. All this to save money. It IS a luxury service, but people will continue to pay (quietly). It's like a cable company, you don't need cable. You could use over the air tv, but you get more channels with cable. The cable companies (like comcast) raise prices to make more profit, some people switch to other smaller cable companies or move over to satellite, but the majority of them will continue to quietly pay the higher price. If McD and BK did merge, you know people will continue to go there.
The reason that both services were $12.95/month, was because they WERE competing. XM and Sirius didn't listen to the FCC in the late 90s, and because of THAT they now were able to merge. What the FCC didn't say now as a requirement is for them to sell off some spectrum, so another sat radio competitor could form. Looks like they don't want that, do they? Saying that they compete with regular radio and the mp3 player is like saying batteries compete with the AC adapter. Regular radio is free, and there's many commercials, and is limited to a city metro area. MP3 players contain music that you want to hear specifically. It's like saying over the air tv competes with cable/satellite tv. You get what you pay for. Free tv has limited amount of channels, but if you pay for cable/sat you get more. How about for truckers, they'll have 1 sat radio provider to choose from. | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? not totally true. the providers (NFL, Starz, etc.,) raises prices to the cable company who in turn passes that on to the subscribers. have you notice the internet is the same price year after year but not cable tv? that is why.
about sat. radio, when the artists raises their prices sirius will pass that on to the consumers. | |
|  |  |   Maccawolf Premium join:2001-02-20 Hillsdale, NJ
| said by jclos :You guys don't get it,they cant afford to raise prices they cant be a monopoly because no one really needs them.It's a luxury to have it not a necessity if they try and raise prices and screw with the consumer the consumer can go back to free radio or their ipod that simple.Lets say McDonalds and Burger King merged it's not a monopoly on fast food restaurants you can eat anywhere same thing with this merger we don't need satellite radio,its nice to have and I like it but the second they try to strangle hold me Im out. You mean like CABLE TV????????? --
Mom and Crockett...... I miss you both! | |
|  |   Richard B Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22 Portland, OR | The problem is both were losing money. simply the market could not support competition. Regardless prices will have to be raised. The again, I do not see this as a viable business model. PS there still competition, terrestrial radio, and Podcast. | |
|  |  |   mrchris Stop deleting my posts Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | Re: Is there any other competition? I don't count "Play the same thing 10 times a day" stations as competition.
Maybe it was just best to keep them split just for consumer choice... | |
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| said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. But you're the reason they wont raise prices. You dont NEED satellite radio. If they raise their prices, people will just drop their subscription and use their Ipod, or listen to the normal radio. They have lots of competition. | |
|  |   JamesPC
join:2005-10-12 Orange, CA | hello people... what do you think your going to use. STANDARD FM RADIO. That is enough competition. | |
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| said by bgraham :I am not interested in satellite radio, and probably never will own one, but if I read this correctly there is no longer any competition so they are free to raise prices now. What's your point? This is not a "necessity" as cable TV, phone, or power is determined to be. The price for this technology will be regulated by the market. If they raise rates too high, people just won't pay it and will be able to find their sports, music, and talk elsewhere.
Satellite radio competes for the consumer's disposable income along with everything from free radio to CDs, to mp3 players, to the internet, and both companies combined have only 5% of the market. | |
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| Re: Is there any other competition? said by MadMANN :and both companies combined have only 5% of the market. 5% of what market exactly? If what they say is to be believed, they have 20 million combined subscribers.
Even if we get silly, and say that all 300 million U.S. citizens are radio listeners, and that would be 100% of the radio market listeners, and you take that 20 million XM/Sirius subscriber number... you'd get 6.67%, that is a bit higher than 5%, especially when you consider that not all 300 million US citizens are the actual market. It would be actual households counted as listeners/subscribers. That would put it significantly higher than 5% of the radio market.
But you didn't really say what market. | |
|  |  smcallah
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| There is plenty of competition from free FM/AM radio. The keyword is that it is free.
Not to mention, iPods and other MP3 players that easily work in cars nowadays.
If they raise the prices, people can easily fall back to the competition that has ALWAYS existed.
It's not like they can force anyone to pay higher prices. | |
|  |  |   quetwo That VoIP Guy Premium join:2004-09-04 East Lansing, MI
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| As long as they don't mess with the best-of-breed channels I'm hoping they don't fudge with the channels that are best-of-breed. XM has some great Alt. Rock / Classic Rock channels, and I've been told that Sirrus has some great top-40 channels. I'm hoping that these mergers don't destroy the channels people have grown to love over the last nearly 10 years. | |
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join:2002-12-20 Yonkers, NY | Re: As long as they don't mess with the best-of-breed channels Yes let hope so I tried xm on the web and some of their rock stations are really good. | |
|   Jagermeistr Premium join:2002-08-18 Oradell, NJ
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| Alright I dont think its such a terrible thing- the fact that both these companies are hemorrhaging cash prevents them from jacking up prices. Being able to pick 50 channels and only have to pay $6.99 is a great deal since I only really listen to 4 or 5 channels on XM consistently.
In less than 80 days however Opie and Anthonys contract runs out, XM better resign them. | |
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| said by Jagermeistr :In less than 80 days however Opie and Anthonys contract runs out, XM better resign them. Amen!
Since we have 4 radios in a family plan, I don't want to pay more than the current family option for each add on radio than I currently pay. | |
|   Gerard780 Premium join:2002-01-25 Simpsonville, KY | sub to both I have subscriptions to both.. I wonder when/if I'll be able to combine them into one bill..
-Gerard | |
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| Re: sub to both said by Gerard780 :I have subscriptions to both.. I wonder when/if I'll be able to combine them into one bill.. -Gerard I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that's possible. It's my understanding that you'll be able to use your XM (or Sirius) radio to get content from the other. So, it may very well work out to be that. -- "Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy." - George Carlin
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| Okay, now let's see what channels get the axe The only downside to this merger is that some channels are no doubt going to get the axe... As long as the dance/electronic channels, BBC Radio One and the NPR stations stay, I'll be happy, but other subs might not like it. -- --- Eleven years of carrying The Clue Bat... | |
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| Merger I really don't think that mp3, HD radio, radio, etc were valid forms of competition, I'm glad to see them merge. I have both radios and it's just too expensive as all but 1 are considered "primary" so I'm paying full price for 2 radios. I think I might still jump on the $77/year XM deal as I don't think it will be beat. But I'll call that the primary radio and take 1/2 price on the other 2. | |
|  |   Richard B Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22 Portland, OR | Re: Merger In away it is, the merged companies need new business to survive but I see as an unnecessary expense when I can jut rip my CD to and Mp3 player or download the commercial free Podcast. | |
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