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Xbox One to Finally Include DLNA Support
by Karl Bode 10:35AM Wednesday Aug 13 2014
While Microsoft proclaimed they wanted the Xbox One to be the broadband-powered heart of the home TV universe, the company hamstrung the device in numerous ways that prevented that from ever happening. One such way was by intentionally excluding some pretty basic functionality seen in nearly every media device. Microsoft this week announced they'll be fixing some earlier missteps by adding the ability to stream videos from USB and from a DLNA server. By the end of the year, claims Microsoft, the Xbox One will support streaming of dozens of new file formats -- including mkv.

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broadbandmav

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Typo?

I believe it's "DLNA" support

atcotr

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Re: Typo?

This is going to make me sound like a luddite, but I never could figure out how to get DLNA streaming to work. I ended assembling a (low power) PC for each TV and just browsing to the smb share.

MovieLover76

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Re: Typo?

I've used DLNA in the past and have since moved past it.
DLNA can be tricky because the end unit has to be able to play that format the video is provided in.
DLNA doesn't do transcoding by default.

PS3 Media Server, Serviio and some others do add on transcoding so that you can play any media you wish on any device and they all utilize dlna

Most people have moved past DLNA at this point, I use plex which provides all of the transcoding support plus remote viewing on mobile and MetaData.
Using a simple app on roku or chromecast, or their home theater app it gives a very nice interface to everything. much better than dlna or smb shares, check it out.

Karl Bode
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Re: Typo?

I enjoy the Plex/Roku3 combo. Would be nice to see a Plex app on Xbox One.
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Re: Typo?

said by Karl Bode:

I enjoy the Plex/Roku3 combo. Would be nice to see a Plex app on Xbox One.

Plex's pulling of meta data is so seamless. I've gotten a number of friends to start using Plex.

axiomatic

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Tomball, TX
I have to agree with Karl here. If you are using anything other than PLEX you are making the issue harder than it has to be. PLEX is the best.

rokuking

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Re: Typo?

I use plex and playon/playlater. Other then not having the app on my smart TV, my rokus (4) work with it just fine. I had some issues trying to get Plex to stop dropping my external drive on my media server running Linux but just decided to toss a netgear readynas 12tb system in the mix running plex. TV doesn't like it, but roku's do. Too bad it didn't work as well as my WD Readycloud (4tb). TV likes it, Roku likes it. Just had issues with MK4 files as roku's don't read'em. So, had to convert movies if I wanted to watch from either device.
elefante72

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I agree. It is even better when flung from your favorite phone or tablet to Roku. The Roku app itself is circa 2012, it sucks.

DLNA is no walk in the park, because it is essentially a raw stream. You tune to a channel w/ no EPG and your endpoint must support the file format in question. Lots of issues w/ that unless you run through software that puts it in an acceptable container for your limited device (XB1). While this is not a problem on mpeg2 TV, it can be for Mpeg4/MKV containers..

The XB360 apps are superior to their Roku counterparts (except for Netflix) but the Roku has more diversity so I need to keep both for now. Until quite recently MSFT required XBG to even get access to these apps. That just went away, and now I don't have to fiddle w/ constant "proofs" to just launch an app.

So while MSFT sits around, Roku and Chromecast are starting to blow them away. I don't think they recover from this.

MovieLover76

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Re: Typo?

I think the Roku app is serviceable, it works fine for my fiance and I , we use it every day
But it's not the prettiest UI, it could use some updating without a doubt.
Poetique

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A Plex app is already in development for the Xbox One. Should pop up within the next year I imagine, and possibly later this year.

Karl Bode
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Re: Typo?

That's great to hear. Where did you read this?

dnoyeB
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Not sure who this 'most people' is. DLNA is coming in many consumer electronic products now. My TV plays from my Ubuntu DLNA server as does my BluRay player and all of my android devices. My windows computers do too.

Maybe your an iPerson? They do seem to be stuck avoiding standards.

DLNA is a protocol. protocols don't transcode.
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MovieLover76

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Re: Typo?

I'm definitely not an iPerson, I simply meant that many people flinging media from a home server to TV's and streaming boxes are starting to use things a bit more advanced than DLNA, like Plex because it supports much more than simple DLNA. automatic transcoding and file meta data which provides a nice interface to your media, instead of just looking at directories and file names.
As well as mobile streaming to smartphones and tablets.

v6moment

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said by dnoyeB:

Not sure who this 'most people' is. DLNA is coming in many consumer electronic products now. My TV plays from my Ubuntu DLNA server as does my BluRay player and all of my android devices. My windows computers do too.

Maybe your an iPerson? They do seem to be stuck avoiding standards.

DLNA is a protocol. protocols don't transcode.

Assuming someone is a user of Apple devices because they don't like a standard is foolish at best.

DLNA is an awful standard, period.

davidc502

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Mount Juliet, TN
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I've never had any issues streaming using DLNA using PlayOn.tv software.

MovieLover76

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Re: Typo?

Playon.tv is within the list of software that automaticaly transcodes things for the destination and then provides it via dlna.
The automatic transcoding makes dlna much easier to use.
Otherwise you pretty much have to encode all of your content for the destination.

MemphisPCGuy
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Excellent

Glad to see them scratching and clawing themselves out of their marketing and drm snafu. While I have since converted my media to mp3/4's and moved them to a minidnla server on my router, which my sony smart tv can access readily and easily, it will be a welcome addition.
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novaflare
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Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

There are already a fair number of people who have had the casing literally blister from the overheating of the xbox one. Just another xbox 360 in the making.

You all can keep it i don't want it.

ptrowski
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

Funny, googling xbox one overheat or xbox one melt plastic doesn't really seem to bring up much.

novaflare
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

ok odd i know i just posted but here we go again ....

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It's melting melting, Nah it's just fricken hot these are images of the xbox one and how much each components produce heat while in use.

While it should shutdown and likely will first few times it over heats the thermsistor that tell it the temp will fail resulting in it not shutting down. I have seen one already that if you touched it while it was on for 10 minutes or so your get a burn from it. The case was melted beyond reconition. No mods etc done this was only 2 maybe 3 weeks after release.

We wont even touch them here at the shop as well sadly it just is not worth trying to fix as it is next to un-repairable. And who wants to spend another 300 on a brand new xbox one. I would not even try to fix one for less than that. It would take what amounts to a re designed case with heavy duty cooling fans new heat sink etc. That is just to get it the way it should be. I had a ps4 come in that was dropped down the stairs it broke obviously and was fixable.

This is not the last problem we will hear about the xbox one.

novaflare
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Note just searched xbox one overheating and get allot of results. Including ones about it actually smoking.

ptrowski
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

said by novaflare:

Note just searched xbox one overheating and get allot of results. Including ones about it actually smoking.

I see just about the same amount of Ps4 overheating issues.

novaflare
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

Been looking at the posts. Rumors of over heating but no confirmed cases so far. I see the one with it in a non ventilated case where it did show the over heat warning light. But yeh you stuff any electronics in a plastic box with no ventilation it is going to over heat. With the xbox one they are over heating with out any obstructions. They just get smoking (literally) hot. They just do not have enough cooling/airflow in the case. Look at the original xbox. While it did later in life have overheating problems that was do to clogged and of dead fans. Inside the case was allot of open space where as the 360s have almost no room. The ps3 has no extra room but has a big honking fan and heat sink set stuck inside a shroud to exhaust the heat out the back of the unit. That sucker gets hot on the back but not so hot that it melts. Ps2 and ps1 really did not need much in way of cooling. While im sure the ps4 is a hot running system as it is a powerful monster as is the xbox one so far no serious wide spread dooms day over heating.

ptrowski
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

There is no serious widespread doomsday overheating with the Xbox One. If there was there would not be one person, you, saying there is an issue. It would be just that, widespread.

novaflare
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

Um it is wide spread. I said one came in to the shop. The net is filled with stories about melted cases etc. I found have a dozen with out even really looking hard. Each of those had comments from others getting sim issues. It has also been known to destroy game disks. The thing is a heap just like the 360 and the slim. The first time i seen the inside of one I was wondering just what the hell ms was thinking. It uses a basic stock intell type heat sink. The fan is big sure at 112 mm but not nearly as powerful as the ps4 of even a simple 80 mm fan found in a desk top computer psu.

The air flow is reverse of what is sensible. It should be pulling air in through the top not blowing out the top. I suppose a person could make a duct to go around the heat sink and add some vent holes around the area of the fan and let that duct pull air in from the top but then you would end up sucking in the hot air from the exhaust. You could pull air from the sides with more duct work inside the case. In a set up like that pulling air from the sides and blowing out the top would be the way to go. But with a bare fan blowing through the heat sink it should do just that blow through not suck through. As set up they are creating negative air flow meaning it will drw in way more dust. Negative pressure like that is bad because of the dust. You want more air going in than going out and you really should have that air filtered by a simple foam filter or hell do like i do to my own laptops take a bounce dryer sheet and tape to the intake works wonders for keeping out dust. Combined with positive pressure no dust will get in to the case so none will get trapped in the heat sink.

The point is they are already having numerous problems with heat with drives eating cds etc. These problems will only become more common as the machines age. few more months and heat related issues will start to become more common and they will get their equiv of the red ring of death e74 etc errorsThose errors no matter what any one tells you can not be fixxed short of reballing the chip set chip the cpu and or gpus.

ptrowski
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

Whatever bud, google shows the opposite of what you are saying. I am sure you are more knowledgeable than the engineers.
MrScarface

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Missouri City, TX
keeping pulling that shit out of your ass.....

anony55

@103.10.197.x
it makes sense to work with the natural flow of heat rising.

novaflare
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

Actually sure it can but when your pulling hot air from other components in a hote enclosed space it makes no sense at all. Cpu gpu and chip set are by far the most heat sensitive components on any board ram as well. Others things such as sound not so much. Fets diode switches etc heat have little effect on but they all produce heat. Now the internal temp of say a pc case or xbox 360 one or even the original can reach a hot 110 to 120. Now if your pulling all the heat through the cpu heat sink your loosing allot of cooling effectiveness. A cpu gpu and chip-set can hit 150 to 180. Even the best hsf and fan combo in a perfect environment with a room temp of say 70 will only be able to get those temps down to around 95 or 100. Now with a surrounding temp from the case of 110 The best you'll get down to is 130 140 but honestly that is in best case low load. I would say that the cpu for the xbox is pushing 190 under load 170 idle with the correct set up. As it stands it is going over 200 idle above 220 230 under load (temps in f). Flipping the fan the correct way blowing in to the hsf / heat-pipe will get the temps way way down.

We will see more problems with these units as time rolls on. It is only a matter of time. All we are seeing so far are early adopters. It is now getting to where more will start buying. This christma we will see many many more of these same complaints.

Also i seen 2 more units with over heating issues at a friends shop last night. Both are over heating 1 has a melted warped disk stuck in it and a warped case with some blistering. The other is blistered badly with the grill louver dropping inward and warped as well.

So that is 3 i have seen personally. The one with the melted disk was bought less than a month ago. The other one is about 4 months old. So far the hardware it self is still working. A bit impressive that it has taken the heat.

Hmm got a call just now the tech at the shop just took a temperature reading with a ir gun. 282F at the hsf 240 surface temperature on the case of his 3rd that just came in to the shop.

Any one want a fried egg?
MrScarface

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um...most results u gets are from Nov-Dec...... a few launch units. You are reaching dude. Take the PS4 fanboyism somewhere else.

novaflare
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Re: Now if they can fix the extreme over heating issues.

100s is not a few 100s is a serious issue as for every 1 we see a post about there are 10 more of the same with no post so 100s turn in to 1000s. BTW im a tech with 20+ years experience.I can tell exactly what is going on with the units in short order. For example the mysterious white goop seen on many units is thermal compound that is burning. Thermal compounds have lithium grease as the main ingrdiant (can be the only as well) added to that can be for example silver in pastes such as arctic silver copper even gold could be used but would be no real improvement over silver or copper powders.

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PS4

The PS4 doesn't have DLNA support either (rumors say it might arrive in early 2015). I don't understand the fixation on Microsoft and the XB1 while ignoring their direct competitor's very same shortcomings.
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buzz_4_20

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I'm Shocked

That it includes MKV support.

I'll stick to my 20watt OpenElec box however. Why waste so much juice.

v6moment

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Re: I'm Shocked

said by buzz_4_20:

That it includes MKV support.

You're shocked that it includes support for one of the best and most common container formats?

buzz_4_20

join:2003-09-20
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Re: I'm Shocked

If you ever tried to play them on the 360 it was a very fruitless effort. And Microsoft pretty much said no about it for the 360.
Poetique

join:2007-08-05
Birmingham, AL

About Time

Now when they call the Xbox One an all-in-one media center it won't be false advertisement, because as it stands, my Xbox 360 is far more useful than my Xbox One is capable of being.

Pisgah Rider

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Still no mkv support? Fail

Never did find a fix to play mkv's on my x360. Any streamer will do that nowadays.

It's a great looking paperweight though!
Poetique

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Birmingham, AL

Re: Still no mkv support? Fail

said by Pisgah Rider:

Never did find a fix to play mkv's on my x360. Any streamer will do that nowadays.

It's a great looking paperweight though!

Uhh... might want to read the article one more time.

Pisgah Rider

join:2004-04-08
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Re: Still no mkv support? Fail

By the end of the year.