Xmission Gripes About Life Under Qwest's Thumb Isn't allowed access to Qwest FTTN... A combination of political/financial dominance by this industry's wealthiest carriers, combined with a dash of incompetence has meant the death of the majority of this sector's independent, residential ISPs. Those that remain aren't having an easy time, as companies like Verizon block access to next-generation infrastructure, and access to last-generation service gets increasingly cumbersome and expensive. Residential DSL provider Xmission took the interesting step this week of complaining about their relationship with Qwest on their blog. According to XMission, they're "hemorrhaging" users without being given access to Qwest's FTTN network: As I have long advocated, the solution for this is not only to build municipal fiber networks like UTOPIA, but to regulate all data, telephone, and television providers that would otherwise run their own lines to your house, into using these systems as well. Incumbent telephone and cable companies wouldn’t otherwise spend millions lobbying and suing municipalities that take networking into their own hands if they had no choice but to use these systems as well. In addition, problems like “net neutrality” become moot when you can dump your limiting ISP for another who gives you more freedom. This is not where we are currently headed. Given that the FCC has acknowledged they were too afraid to tackle competition for fear of upsetting powerful political players like AT&T, XMission's dream scenario isn't materializing anytime soon. Meanwhile Xmission can't build their own network, given the rules governing the sector have been lobbied for (and often written) by the wealthiest carriers to hinder competitive entry at every turn. The result is uncompetitive monopoly and duopoly, and it's not changing anytime soon.
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kudos:4 |  Fiber investment made with Fed promise no sharing
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| Re: Fiber investment made with Fed promise no sharing said by Romney2012:The FCC & the Congress got the telcos to invest in fiber rollouts with a guarantee that line sharing wouldn't apply. To go back on that guarantee now and try to force sharing would be an automatic loss in court for the Feds. 1. congress didn't get "the telcos to invest in fiber rollouts with a guarantee that line sharing wouldn't apply.", the telcos paid congress to not mandate line sharing for fiber. The FUD from the ILECs when legislation/regulation was being considered was that if line sharing was mandated they wouldn't roll out fiber.
current evidence seems to indicate a looser regulatory environment does not spur investment at all - capital investment by all the ILECs is DOWN and Verizon has STOPPED their FIOS rollouts. and ATT won't even do FTTH, giving us the wonder that is U-verse.
2. I believe if the FCC has the power to forgo mandating line sharing, they have the power to mandate it. | |
| | | | So telcos can fail to live up to their end of the deal, but the feds can't do the same? Makes sense... in Bizarroworld. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Fiber investment made with Fed promise no sharing said by JesseHarris:So telcos can fail to live up to their end of the deal, but the feds can't do the same? Makes sense... in Bizarroworld. The deal was that WHERE they rolled out fiber they didn't have to share. The deal didn't say they had to roll out fiber everywhere. So the telcos lived up to their end. You may not LIKE the deal the gov't made, but they made it in your name.
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| | | | | | Re: Fiber investment made with Fed promise no sharing No, that's total BS. They agreed prior to the passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that they would be rolling out a ubiquitous open access fiber network capable of 45Mbps both ways. And then they didn't do it. Now we're supposed to be happy that even of few of us is getting any scraps at all? I'm not okay with that. Make them hold to the original deal, not this crippled garbage. | |
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kudos:7 | Re: Fiber investment made with Fed promise no sharing said by JesseHarris:No, that's total BS. They agreed prior to the passage of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that they would be rolling out a ubiquitous open access fiber network capable of 45Mbps both ways. And then they didn't do it. Now we're supposed to be happy that even of few of us is getting any scraps at all? I'm not okay with that. Make them hold to the original deal, not this crippled garbage. Citation please. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Fiber investment made with Fed promise no sharing Mostly propaganda from Bruce Kushnick(Teletruth) and his cottage industry of knocking telcos. His estimates are greatly exaggerated. He makes his living whining about telcos and acting as consultant for groups wanting to sue telcos.
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kudos:7 | As far as I can see, these claims are bogus. They did build fiber, tons of it. It connects COs, COs to RTs, FTTN boxes, etc. It just doesn't go to the premise, and I don't believe that was ever an obligation.
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| Buildout Xmission can build out. Why does every ISP and everyone on this board see that Fiber is the only option? Why not just go out and build something else? WiMax? Hello? Why not try that? They'd still have their own network. But NOPE! They'd rather bitch and complain about Qwest, VZ, Frontier, and ATT about not sharing. Why would anyone want to share?
What ever happened to standing on your own two feet and compete with what you are given or build what you need to do it with. The same as Sonic.net is doing (well somewhat).
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Salt Lake City, UT | Re: Buildout You've missed the point. We are doing fine in other ventures, and are simply being pushed out of residential service.
All this is doing is removing options for the end subscriber, which appears to be the goal of the major providers. If you are fine with that, well, this is probably good news.
But I think that most people don't cheer the idea of being limited to a cable/telco duopoly, and that's clearly the future of broadband in America right now (pending the solutions that Pete Ashdown suggests in our blog, as linked above). | |
| | | | | Re: Buildout said by woodward:You've missed the point. We are doing fine in other ventures, and are simply being pushed out of residential service. All this is doing is removing options for the end subscriber, which appears to be the goal of the major providers. If you are fine with that, well, this is probably good news. But I think that most people don't cheer the idea of being limited to a cable/telco duopoly, and that's clearly the future of broadband in America right now (pending the solutions that Pete Ashdown suggests in our blog, as linked above). You missed the point===why not build your own network?
The 1996 Telecom Act was just that---get lineshare then build your own network.
You, like many CLECs, never planned or wanted to build your own just exist of of ILECs. Gravy train is over. | |
| | | | | | Re: Buildout You know, it is ridiculous to imagine putting in yet MORE physical networking, considering that it has taken DECADES to put in hundreds of thousands of miles of copper and coax cable to just about every standing building in this continent.
It is ridiculously inefficient to put yet MORE physical networks down when these exist already. The copper Ma Bell lines were all laid during monopoly years. There was only one phone company. People cant expect for a startup company to somehow realistically even imagine putting in there own cables. In keeping with the spirit of the original reason for breaking up Ma Bell, the present-day telco’s need to provide access over “their” lines. Look, they may technically own them, but in a way they belong to the country as part of the legacy of modernizing in the 20th century. It is unfair to let the TelCos continue to enjoy monopoly status, thats no different from Ma Bell except you have 20 monopolies nationwide instead of one.
Same with cable. Yes, these guys have a right to be reimbursed for their costs, but that money has been given to them over the years by the government/FCC and their own Profits.
So, for a fair price, companies need to be able to lease the networks. Hell, AT&T owns like a huge portion of the nations phone lines, and leases them out to even big boys like Qwest. Especially when it comes to international connectivity.
So, why not create a infrastructure-cost pool, wherby people contribute x amount based on their percentage of leased bandwidth to fund new infrastructure and share the cost?
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| Re: Buildout I didn't say anything of wireline services. Xmission can and should utilize WiMax to offer their residential services. Instead, they're bitching about linesharing. ISPs and the CLECs had their chance with line sharing and build their own network while it was required. They didn't and sat on it. Well guess what. TOOO DAMN BAD Xmission! Build out your own network and suck it up!
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| build your own network using wireless technology. Ever hear of WiMax? You know its a proven technology. Kick the copper to the curb and start competing or file for Chapt. 13 and move out of the way.
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| market density parts of Qwest footprint have very high subscriber densities.. might as well start cherry picking those and build out fiber on your own Xmission. honestly, how many millions of dollars can a nearly bankrupt qwest spend to keep the customers it has locked in a monopoly partially shared with comcast? | |
| | | | Re: market density They have been supporting a fiber build out. UTOPIA - And they have spent large amounts of money on various less than ethical means to stop that project, because they don't want competition.
Unless local startups have several million dollars laying around to build infastructure, a top notch legal team to fight the legal challenges local incumbants will offer up while trying to tie up the whole process in red tape while having the extra money for "campaign donations" i.e. bribery to get the permits required in a timely fashion then no one can challenge the incumbent providers.
Which is exactly how they have it set up. There is one major way to challenge this, which is to form cooperatives and work with local communities to roll out state supported infrastructure.
Of course, the incumbents are also fighting that tooth and nail.
It really is a different situation than the old - just start your own business times. Of course, if we did get a national infrastructure down that everyone competed over then it would in fact be that way again. If you don't like the way an ISP is running things, getting a startup for an ISP is actually doable - Running a bunch of fiber out as a small startup company is almost impossible.
Then again, most "free market" capitalists seem to be more interested in large corporations making more money and less interested in actual competition or encouraging small business growth. | |
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| | open network a lot of rbocs and ilecs would like to exit the RES market. its not that those cust arent important, its that they want the moon for a buck. fiber rollouts are expensive, and they have to KNOW they are gonna make thier money back, and thats just not guaranteed. someone gives you 5meg for 20$ for 6mo, when its up you jump ship to the next cheapest. they can never recoup the capitol expense. now throw in open network compitition, and they know they loose money. so they dont share. and if they have to share, they dont build fiber, you stay on copper all the way. | |
| | | | Re: open network what companies are you talking about? VZ doesn't count as they sell entire markets and states; both residential and business. | |
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| | | | Re: The ISP meeting the needs of the Public and who is this ISP you speak of? | |
| | | | They have the Internet connection with the electric coops in rural America. The problem is that they are not in major cities as they only deal with rural America in giving broadband. They also don't care how much bandwidth they consume unless they pay for it in the rate. No one has taken them on and won at all. Some areas of the country don't have a carrier but them and all the high speed lines are thru them. | |
| | | | | Re: The ISP meeting the needs of the Public yah we get that. What ISP is this you speak of. Stop sounding like a damn PR machine and give names. | |
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1 edit | Re: The ISP meeting the needs of the Public prices are also very high! $35 for 384k WTF! and $250 to install!?!?! Talk about raking in the profits! Plus they must be limited. Many Co-Ops have their own company brand to offer service.
And this is another one of those companies. It looks like it's owned by TouchStone Energy since that is who all their "partners" are from.
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| | | First of all there is no charge for installation if you take a three year contract. Second the speed you pay is what you get and they can meet the demand of the people. They have no caps on total bandwidth as other ISPs and the system doesn't go down. They believe in the use of the Internet for entertainment and the content providers like them. They raised the bandwidth for the content providers can go at higher speed. | |
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