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Yahoo! DSL Launch Details
by Karl Bode Thursday 12-Sep-2002 tags: dsl · prices
Yahoo! announced last November that they would be pairing up with SBC to offer co-branded DSL and Dial-up services. While the dial-up service launched last June, many in the industry were sceptical that the DSL offering would be available before the year's end. Yahoo! today put those concerns to rest by tearing into an advertising blitz and revealing the pricing plans and content details of the new Yahoo!/SBC/DSL mutations.

Yahoo's portal service puts the company in a unique position to tap into a massive customer base, something that's been tried before with a fairly loud whimper and some cheaply auctioned foosball tables as the end result. Analysts note that the advertising slump has placed Yahoo in a precarious position, requiring additional revenue streams to survive. Once Yahoo establishes itself as an reseller, it already has the architecture in place to deliver music, film, and a wide variety of content to users whose credit card numbers they already have on file.

Details of the service were briefly posted (then taken oddly off-line) at the future website this morning, and break down as follows:

Standard Plus offers connection speeds ranging from 384kbps to 1.5mbps for $29.95 a month for the first six months and $49.95 a month for the remainder of the year.

The "Deluxe" package offers connection speeds ranging from 768kbps to 1.5mbps for $39.95 a month for the first six months and $59.95 a month for the remainder of the year.

Both packages come under a twelve month contract, and Yahoo plans to incorporate a variety of content deals along-side the connection fees. Yahoo will roll in some of the e-mail services many people now pay for when using the portal's web e-mail services, such 110 MB of server space, 25 MB of e-mail space, 10 sub-user email addresses, and a backup dial-up account.

Subscribers will also have access to "premium service" packages, which offer various additional perks such as access to the site's "Games All-Star" pay per play service, additional web space, on-line bill payment services, and discount subscriptions to Encyclopedia Britannica.

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blacksurfer

join:2002-07-14
Sherman Oaks, CA

Same prices...no big deal!

Six months @$29.99 isn't bad though.

BS

UnKown
The Underground Network

join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

i want to know if this is dsl then why do they have a 380-1.5 option, is this cause of different companys that are actually providing the dsl.

Techie2000
In Vertigo
Premium
join:2001-12-05

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

SBC uses a big range of speeds for single DSL download packages for liability. Also by advertising slower speeds they can give customers farther away DSL that normally would be out of range. Generally connections within the standard range of a DSLAM or RT will be in the 1MBps download range...
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zellshep

@209.xx.209.transedge

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

Is Covad providing any of the DSL?

Aramis604
I Represent Nobody But Myself.
Premium
join:2000-12-15
Poway, CA

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

no... SBC is 100% independent.
dslfan2002

join:2002-06-19
Alameda, CA

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

SBC only has service within their region though??? Is this only an SBC centralized service or is it nationwide? If it is nationwide then there has to be another player.
Nightdiver

join:2002-09-12
Walnut, CA
Are you CRAZY???

"The companies first will market the service in SBC's 13-state service area, which includes Texas. However, they will later this year make it available elsewhere via DSL lines owned by Covad, an independent broadband company part-owned by SBC."

Aramis604
I Represent Nobody But Myself.
Premium
join:2000-12-15
Poway, CA

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

I should have been more specific. I am referring to California only, I tend to forget SBC is in other states as well.. My mistake..
Nightdiver

join:2002-09-12
Walnut, CA

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

Then the answer to my previous question is "definitely not"
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
said by Techie2000:
Also by advertising slower speeds they can give customers farther away DSL that normally would be out of range. Generally connections within the standard range of a DSLAM or RT will be in the 1MBps download range...

Covad does this, but not SBC. I can get 256k Covad ADSL but still can't get any SBC DSL.

Abe Froman

join:2000-08-19
Scroggins, TX

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

You will. I was in a business office for res last week and they were all getting trained on the tiered plan. I think SBC will be pushing it out to 17K ft at 384 down speed. I'm sure it will remain 128K up.
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

So are you telling me that there was absolutely nothing stopping them from providing me with 384k DSL for $49.95 all along???? If so these people are by far the stupidest business people in the history of capitalism. They could've owned the broadband market in my 4 suburb area. This is the reason DSL is dead. Sure they can offer 384k now, but that's 3 years too late. I've been terrorizing customer service rep after customer service rep for years over this. My goal is for them to talk about me in the coffee break room. Eventually maybe a manager hears it and his 25 IQ brain might get the picture. AND YOU DEFEND THIS IDIOTIC COMPANY!!!!!!

stickfigure

join:2002-06-11
El Cajon, CA

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

said by 2farfromCO:
...Sure they can offer 384k now, but that's 3 years too late. I've been terrorizing customer service rep after customer service rep for years over this...
So you've been requesting this for a couple years and now when they have it you don't want it.... hmmm... don't see how that makes sense. Guess the "terrorizing customer rep's" sums up your way of thinking though, doesn't sound rational to me.
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

Well, now Earthlink has cable modem service here for $41.95 even for non-cable TV subscribers. 2 years ago we didn't have cable modems period. The best broadband service is the one available first.
elboomboom

join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

Excellent point.........

ITGuy72
Permanently Disco
Premium
join:2001-11-01
New York
So I should hang onto my 768K DSL when Optimum Online rolls out here in a few weeks? I think not. First isn't always best, although it's definitely better than none
elboomboom

join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

Yeah of course.........hehehe
magstan1

join:2001-11-09
Collinsville, OK
I cannot get ANY DSL service (live between two towns who have both DSL and Cable service). I also live in the heart of SBC country (Okla). I am about 4000 feet of both towns and would like DSL. COVAD says I might qualify, SBC says NO. I wonder if this marketing ploy is just another sucker deal to get you sucked in for the kill? I keep reading all you guys posts and hope someday I can get off this Dial-up.

DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
Well since you will be required to get into 12-mo contract the average monthly fee of $40 for the first year.

Rising Sun

@bbtec.net
Yahoo in JAPAN. Have been on YAHOO BB for about a month here. ADSL 8mbs Plan. Yes 8mbs. I pay $21 or about 2300 yen a month. My phone line cant handle anything faster due to the distance from the server. Well over 6 miles... Average speed is about 1mbs... Not bad for the money. Why are american companies charging so much....... Sorry if this is not relevant to the topic. I just wanted to pass on what I have the priviledge of having CHEAP SPEED with YAhoo....

qbus

@dsl.chcgil.ameritech

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

I have never been to Japan but I will take shot. the number of people per mile. more poeple on the system in a smaller area cheaper price. also more poeple would sign up for it in Japan many people in the USA are happy with there aol. i have no idea why i guse they are dumb or just dont think that it is importent for paying more so there are fewer people that keeps the price around higher. but never having been to asia i wouldnt really know for sure
elboomboom

join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA
said by blacksurfer:
Six months @$29.99 isn't bad though.

BS
It is average.........This is really nothing out of the ordinary..........They should offer some price that beats all........
dslfan2002

join:2002-06-19
Alameda, CA
Covad actually has a $21.95/4 mnth $39.95 (384x128) or $49.95 (1.5x125)thereafter. Not too shabby.
2farfromCO7

join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI

Re: Same prices...no big deal!

Yeah and te best part of it is that they will install over 17000ft from the CO. 256k for these suffering and oppressed people is like giving a starving man a feast.

DSLTech5

join:2000-12-30
San Jose, CA

Huh? Whats with the delux package?

So the basic is 384-1.5Mbps and deluxe is 784-1.5mbps.

If you're close enough to get 1.5, what value is the deluxe package anyway? I can see now why they removed it. Somebody at SBC was smoking crack again.

On the other hand, if they're offering 384 or 784 UPload, now we're talking business!

Aramis604
I Represent Nobody But Myself.
Premium
join:2000-12-15
Poway, CA

Re: Huh? Whats with the delux package?

Deluxe is offering 256k upload instead of 128k..

kcttocs
Iphone junkie
Premium
join:2002-03-07
Missouri
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse

I believe that on the 784-1.5Meg deluxe you get a higher upload than normal... I know that I have stumbled across the link somewhere but I can't find it right now. I think it is 256 vs 128 up...

doh dslemp! ya beet me too it... while I was searching... peace
[text was edited by author 2002-09-12 16:48:45]

[text was edited by author 2002-09-12 16:49:08]

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
Ah, until SBC stops supporting users who have problems with slow speeds on the "Basic" plan....

In other words, it's only a matter of time before the tier separates out to "Up to 768" and "768 and up"
buddasahn

join:2000-11-27
Brecksville, OH
Reviews:
·AT&T Midwest
·RoadRunner Cable

OVERPAID marketing guy!!!

Hmmm.....let me see here...

Take an Ameritech DSL line.....name it after a portal...and call it a refreshing new idea?

This reminds me of cars sold as Chevy's and Ford's....but in reality....are cheap Japanese cars with american nameplates!

Obviously, SBC...on the surface....has nothing to lose in this deal....but does Yahoo really think that a move like this will help sagging advertising sales? I'm still scratching my head over this one!!!
[text was edited by author 2002-09-12 16:27:59]

Goober
Premium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
kudos:4

Re: OVERPAID marketing guy!!!

I think it's simply a name recognition thing. Everybody and their brother has heard of Yahoo. So, why not parlay that name into a few extra bucks if you can.

Obviously, on this board, we know better than to be taken in by the hype, but I think we forget that there's a vast sea of cluelessness out there on which Yahoo can feast.
calesuar

join:2002-05-03
Brentwood, CA

Re: OVERPAID marketing guy!!!

[Obviously, on this board, we know better than to be taken in by the hype, but I think we forget that there's a vast sea of cluelessness out there on which Yahoo can feast.]

Excellent point. Statiscally speaking that would be about 83.3% of Yahoo's population. That's a feast alright.

ThirdShifter
Premium
join:2002-03-16
Vernon Rockville, CT
kudos:1
How about overpriced american/under-performing cars?
TercelChick

join:2002-08-13
Yeah, I had a choice between a good, American Ford Escort, or a cheap Japanese Toyota Tercel. I ran that thing for almost 200,000 miles before I said, "Screw this, I'm getting a real car!"

So I bought a cheap, Japanese Toyota 4Runner instead of that overpriced, American (rollover) Ford Explorer.

*ROFL* Chevy Prizm--Toyota Corolla. Which do they still make?

America is a great country, but the best cars come here on a barge.

Robwhatup

join:2001-01-19
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Re: OVERPAID marketing guy!!!

haha i must agree on the cars... although im not a fan of the ricers, i drive an 2002 audi s4 which is not even challenged by any american car in terms of having 4 doors, 4wd and 0-60 in 5.4 seconds.

GemSnake
Premium
join:2000-10-19
3rd layer

Re: OVERPAID marketing guy!!!

BTW, did you know SBC is getting into a car market, too?
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pharokom

join:2000-08-28
San Diego, CA
Ahmen to that Rob. Now the new S6 that's a whole new story! It does the 0-60 in 4.5 seconds.
buddasahn

join:2000-11-27
Brecksville, OH
Reviews:
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·RoadRunner Cable
FORGIVE ME for screwing up that analogy! While I was trying to compare what automakers do to what Yahoo and SBC have done....I did make one....very FATAL error in siding with American cars! It was simply a brain fart on my end! I whole heartedly agree with what comes from overseas as opposed to what we produce.

MY BAD everyone!!!!!!!

Zar
Premium
join:2001-08-04
Platte City, MO
Lets see portal+BB service..

Does anyone remember exite@home???
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keasons

@152.160.x.x

SBC packages- the real info

SBC introduced these packages:
All include 11 email boxes, 25 Mb storage for the primary email box, 10 Mb ea for the rest. They also include Yahoo web space for photo's, etc and a number of consumer oriented web features.

What's different?
1. Free dial-up account included (unlimited use)
2. Faster speeds available
3. More email boxes.
4. Yahoo stuff (mostly consumer oriented) but SBC promises more business features shortly

Basic packages are:

1.5-4.0 down, 384 up $160/mo, $80 1st 3 mo, 5 static IPs, free router w 1yr contract

768-1.5 down, 256 up $80/mo, 5 static IPs, free router w 1yr contract

384-768 down, 128 up $40/mo yr1 $50/mo addit. years, free modem, dynamic IP, $120 rebate w 1 yr contract

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Moe Diddley
Premium
join:2002-03-17
North Aurora, IL

Sign me up, I don't care whose name is on it.

I just hope it means a quicker roll-out of DSL for those of us deprived of any reliable high-speed internet.

SlasherX$
Premium
join:2001-08-17
Anaheim, CA

Re: Sign me up, I don't care whose name is on it.

It's your fault for living in such a ghetto state.

anon34645634636

@dsl.snfc21.pacbell.n

Re: Sign me up, I don't care whose name is on it.

LOL Try living in the middle of Silicon Valley, I still can't get DSL. I live in Menlo Park and have been waiting for 2 years. Project Pronto was meant to give me DSL, every 6 months the date got postponed by a year its now out to post/late 2004. The pacbell monopoly just would not survive in a real market.

Rising Sun

@bbtec.net

Yahoo in Japan

Okay I Live in Japan. My YAHOO service is called YAHOO BB. (BroadBand). I am on the 8mbs package. $21 a month. (2300 yen). This is but one of many cheap ADSL providers. Although I am a long ways away from the servers I get 1 mbs average. So How much smoke are american companies going to Blow. And what is the real cost of providing ADSL to places dislocated from major servers. And why the HIGH prices. Doesnt make sense.....
Oh did I mention that the 12mbs plan is $23 a month. Didnt need it phone line cant handle it. Oh ann my uploads are well over 600kbps No special packages. Straight forward service....... Sorry if this is not relevant just felt the need to tell the world...
elboomboom

join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA

Re: Yahoo in Japan

Yeah but look where you are at.............I live in San Diego.........and I wouldn't trade this for anything even if the DSL was free..........It is because you are in Japan.......that is why it is so cheap.......

zerox

@dsl.snfc21.pacbell.n
never compare the price among USA ,japan , korea and hong kong
they can get a high speed w/ low price
sigh .....what a great america
elboomboom

join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA

Re: Yahoo in Japan

True..........so true........

Speedy99

@telocity.com

The official info/URL

If you want the full details, go to
»sbc.yahoo.com (after Friday)
The pricing is average, but if you are
paying for any Yahoo services, you can probably
save some $$$.

Later,

Speedy.

Justicar

@167.1.x.x

Inside Scoop

the yahoo dsl is not as great as it seems. I am a self install tech in St Louis, and would like to pass on what I have seen of the new software. Everything is now a lot like AOL. the system is based out of 1 program, w/ its own browser(which is all we are going to be able to support, not IE or netscape like before). the system still uses PPPoE, so if you have a router or the old enternet software, you should be able to still use it(haven't been given confirmation on that), but again, we can't support it. This is just from a preliminary 1 hour training. They're supposed to roll out the new software next week, and some of us aren't scheduled for the full training until after it's supposed to be to customers. Just trying to give a bit more info.
tech star

join:2002-09-14
North Richland Hills, TX

you think you actually know?

you guys have no idea..
I just went thru a 4 hour test on this new software for SBC. Its actually going to be really a great idea, if it works the way it should. The best thing is that it is not made by sbc or yahoo, but an outsourced company that actually knows what they are doing. This software will actually be able to curb some of your calls to tech support as well. It has what is called a connection manager. It scans your system for errors, and tells you how to fix them, and what it means, in words that all will understand.. (supposedly). I just hope it works..
Dethdrone

join:2002-05-26
Houston, TX

Will take time

I work for the Houston SBC call center. The SBC YAHOO will curb down a lot of calls. I have installed the CD on various OSs.

It scans your system, Network and SBC connection. If it finds a problem It gives you direction on how to fix it or fixes it itself.

It can send complete reports to us TECH(if customer allows it), a lot of tech info about their connection and system. No personal info as I have seen those reports.

It takes snap shots of browser, PPPOE, EMAIL client and few out things. If you (customer) ever mess something up..just press restore...viola!! You are up and running.

I think its gonna be neat but initially it would be a pain for us as we are not use to this type of Support but it's gonna make the customer's life a lot easier.

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