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1 edit | Re: Sure you can filter porn to certain ports..... Well, suppose we had either or both of these rules. The first, obvious question is who determines which sites are in which category?
Presumably this so-called "Cybersafety Constituency" would like themselves placed in charge of classifying sites as "pornography" or not. ("safety"? There is actually no proof that pornography is harmful to minors or anyone.) And let's have you, moonpuppy  appoint someone to classify sites as fundie/non-fundie. Then the next thing would be attempts to tax internet users to pay for all this classification effort. Soon after would be controversies over mis-classification.
Meanwhile software authors would immediately come up with a browser feature like "if it's not on port 80, try the porno port and the fundie port". Of course, others would soon want more categories (criticizing government, etc.). And who would prevent webmasters in every nation from disobeying the rules and putting everything on port 80?
The response would be an attempt to get ISPs to block the ports assigned to certain types of content. But millions of users would object. So a crucial, implicit part of the proposal would have to be legislation to force ISPs to censor the internet.
The list of severe problems with the whole idea goes on from there - my list is only the most egregious items.
BTW, most of the support for this is form letters put out by one organization in Utah - and it happens that Utah is the state with the highest pornography consumption in the USA.
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Edit: Moonpuppy, I didn't mean to imply that your proposal was serious, and in fact I agree with the sentiment. I was only using it as a start on pointing out the craziness of the idea.
Let's have the technical authorities just be in charge of keeping the internet working as well as possible from a technical point of view, and parents in charge of what their children do on the computer, and the two not step on each other's jurisdictions. | |
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| | | | Re: Sure you can filter porn to certain ports..... said by swhx7:Well, suppose we had either or both of these rules. The first, obvious question is who determines which sites are in which category? It bring up the old saying that a Supreme Court Justice said; "I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it."
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| | | I'd support a port for porn. And a port for religion. And one for the gays. and one for conservatives. and one for liberals. and another one for people I don't like. and another one for short people. So, obviously, one for tall people too. How about one for whites? and one for blacks. and one for people who are more than 74% white but less than 99% white, like Halle Berry? Yeah, lets have a special port for them. oh, and we deff need a port for those creepy goths. And people who listen to metallica. How about a special port for all Brittney Spears news? lord know I'd block THAT port. | |
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|  old_dawg"I Know Noting..."
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| Re: The Outer Limits of censorship! said by Mr Matt:  We will control the Horizontal, we will control the Vertical, we will control all that you see and hear! This is the slippery slope of censorship. Why don't these tyrants spend their efforts helping those evicted from their homes, rather than trying to be the thought police! You could stay on topic instead of sounding like a subsidized ACORN moonbeam (plS). 
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join:2005-07-01
Atlanta, GA | and look at Utah... It is quite interesting that the highest porn consumption on internet and cable comes from states like Utah. Such hypocrites!
Why anyone would believe a word that comes from anyone connected with SCO is beyond imaginable. But then, these religionists believe in talking snakes, too. | |
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nitzanPremium,VIP
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kudos:2 |  What a bunch of idiots.
I have a better solution for them - get off the internet - we don't need you here! | |
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|  james
join:2001-02-26
CWCville USA | Re: What a bunch of idiots. said by nitzan:I have a better solution for them - get off the internet - we don't need you here! The funny thing is that if those of us who loved porn all pooled our money and made a new internet with no censorship, those idiots would come over to where we were and then do the same thing all over again.
There was porn on the internet before most of those idiots even touched a computer let alone figured out how to connect to the internet. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: What a bunch of idiots. said by james:There was porn on the internet before most of those idiots even touched a computer let alone figured out how to connect to the internet. Very, very true. | |
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| said by james:said by nitzan:I have a better solution for them - get off the internet - we don't need you here! The funny thing is that if those of us who loved porn all pooled our money and made a new internet with no censorship, those idiots would come over to where we were and then do the same thing all over again. There was porn on the internet before most of those idiots even touched a computer let alone figured out how to connect to the internet. There was porn on what preceded the Internet too-most big BBS systems back in the 1980s had a porn section. | |
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me1212
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Dude............. I do not support porn, but people have free will if they want to do something they KNOW they should not I, and we, cannot stop them. The Government trying to force stop them will phail epically. People are flawed imperfect creatures we cannot change that, or stop them. | |
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| | | Re: Dude............. said by me1212:...if they want to do something they KNOW they should not... Many that enjoy adult content don't share your moral outlook. Don't make the mistake of assuming that your morality can (or should) be ascribed to everyone else. | |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: Dude............. I never said they do/did, just they no1 can stop them. Let them be they have free will. I choose not to do it, I will not stop them, I haven't the right to do so. No man can really stop them especially the Government they will phail epically. | |
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| | |  fireflierCoffee. . .Need CoffeePremium
join:2001-05-25
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1 edit | Re: Dude............. I think Dark Fiber was referring to this:
"they want to do something they KNOW they should not"
Based on your morals, they shouldn't. Fine. Based on others' morals, it's not necessarily something they should not do, and their morals would likewise not guide them to believe they shouldn't do it.
Your comment implies that you feel it is wrong and everyone else should know it is wrong as well, but at least you support them making an alleged bad decision. | |
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2 edits | Re: Dude............. Oh ok. Whatever. And I was talking about certain people, who shall remain nameless. | |
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| |  2kmaroThinkPremium,ExMod 1 BC
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ColossalCave | Actually, Dude's statement didn't actually say that it was his own moral stand. I think he almost hit the nail on the head with the "...if they want to do something they KNOW they should not..." Goodness only knows how many such idiotic laws, policies, etc have been implemented by people trying to keep themselves from doing "what they KNOW they should not", as "Lets pass a law banning alcohol anywhere, anytime. Why? Because I drink too much and my wife gets pissed when I do! If there was a law against it, I couldn't do it could I?"
I've filed my opposition to the proposition - I really just don't like any "morals group" stepping up and claiming they represent me. I alone am responsible for my actions, be they morals related or not. It isn't up to someone else to tell me what's morally correct and what isn't. Quite frankly I find the undraped female form to be the almost ultimate as an expression of fine art. On the other hand, I'm not much of voyeur and so I don't find "adult films" to be of great interest at all. But somehow I think that groups like this would manage to find some way to lump the artwork of Rubens in with the rut-n-grunt efforts of those who'd like to be (and maybe are) the John Fords of the world of porn. | |
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| james
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CWCville USA | said by me1212:if they want to do something they KNOW they should not I, and we, cannot stop them. What is that? Something we "know" we should not do? Don't you mean, something you dont want us to do?
Maybe you should stop being so immature and grow up, there's obviously something wrong with you mentally if you think sex is "wrong" or immoral. | |
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: Dude............. Read my previous post dude. I did not mean to offend you or any one else. And I do not think it is wrong or immoral. | |
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North Babylon, NY | If they don't like it... ...Why are they even bothering? | |
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| Spend a few million of taxpayers money, quick. And some 14 year old taking school computer classes will have it hacked or a workaround in about a week.
Why do people who know nothing about the internet keep coming up with stupid ideas.
Usually these come from politicians and aren't known for their brains, at least since the financial collapse of AIG etc. | |
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| | So many more important things out there... Let's think of a few:
-Teen pregnancies(specially unwanted ones)
-Crime rates
-Global warming
-The massive stupidity out there
-Graduation rates and public school systems
-Terrible train systems that seems you are in third world country(actually theirs might be better)
-Faster and cheaper broadband
-Our massive homicide per capita rate(they are off the charts amigo, we are now Mexico JR.)
-Better health care
Oh, I don't know, and about a million other things out there. I think I will leave the porn fighting for when some of the more serious issues above have been addressed. People watching a lot of porn and masturbating themselves to death is not necessarily affecting society. Nor is unsupervised teens or younger watching a boob on the Internet because moronic and incompetent mommy has no idea how to raise her kid.
All the incompetent baboons always want to censor everything and have everything hidden behind a barrier because they do not want to take some of the responsibility of managing their kids. These same idiots trying to hide porn from everyone are the same parents who do not know how to instill values and knowledge in their own children and while they are fighting for these ludicrous implementations their 14 yr old daughter is prostituting herself on the street.
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| | | Re: So many more important things out there... said by Aozora:Let's think of a few: -Teen pregnancies(specially unwanted ones) -Crime rates -Global warming -The massive stupidity out there -Graduation rates and public school systems -Terrible train systems that seems you are in third world country(actually theirs might be better) -Faster and cheaper broadband -Our massive homicide per capita rate(they are off the charts amigo, we are now Mexico JR.) -Better health care Oh, I don't know, and about a million other things out there. And ALL of these things can be resolved if we just stop porn! | |
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| | | | Re: So many more important things out there... said by Skippy25:And ALL of these things can be resolved if we just stop porn! And nobody's even said "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" yet! | |
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1 edit | What I find a real Howler I work at a Veterans Hospital and I have a great deal of contact with fellow Veterans returning from Iraq. They tell me every time they capture a computer, mostly laptops, from Iraqi holy warriors, they are all full of XXXXXXXXXXXXXX rated porno. I suppose they want a sneak preview of those 71 virgins. The point is these stateside holy warriors will have no more success with porno then they did a 100 years ago with prohibition.
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join:2001-02-26
CWCville USA | Re: What I find a real Howler Haha, interstingly enough:
»www.walletpop.com/blog/2009/03/0···ne-porn/
Red-state residents buy the most online porn
A Harvard Business School assistant professor who had access to customer receipts from dozens of adult websites found something titillating: The more conservative and religious a state is, the more likely its residents are to buy Web porn. | |
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| | | Re: So many more important things out there... said by Aozora:......People watching a lot of porn and masturbating themselves to death is not necessarily affecting society...... Agreed.
Ask yourself; would you rather someone:
A. Masturbating to porn in their own house not disturbing others.
B. A stalker (or dare I go as far as rapist) who can only get their 'fix' by being a predator. | |
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| old_dawg"I Know Noting..."
join:2001-09-22
Westminster, MD Reviews:
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| said by Aozora:Let's think of a few: -Teen pregnancies(specially unwanted ones) -Crime rates -Global warming -The massive stupidity out there -Graduation rates and public school systems -Terrible train systems that seems you are in third world country(actually theirs might be better) -Faster and cheaper broadband -Our massive homicide per capita rate(they are off the charts amigo, we are now Mexico JR.) -Better health care I tell it like it is. Teen pregnancy?, solution, keep your johnson zipped and your legs together
Crime rates?, get rid of judges who allow recidivism,
ban the American Communist Lawyers Union
Glowbull warming?, stop listening to the Goreacle
Graduation?, Stay in school, the world doesn't need another
Len Bias. Magnet schools, school vouchers,
merit based teachers'salaries/raises, no more
hiding behind unions and the NEA.
Terrrble trains?, take that up with the trucking lobby
Faster&cheaper broadband?, so to see octomom Youtubez?
Massive homicide rate?, check the stats to see who's
killing who and why.
Criminal, rope, tree, some assembly
required. ENFORCE THE DEATH PENALTY
Better health care?, who's paying for it cause I sure ain't
paying for yours.
Telling it like it REALLY is !
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join:2001-07-23
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| Kick SCO off the 'net. It's a dangerous cult. They can appoint themselves the arbiters of porn right after they appoint me the arbiter of what is and isn't a harmful religious cult [or maybe not, since they'd have just been determined to be part of a harmful religious cult and kicked off the 'net].
I'm liable to be a lot more tolerant of porn than I am of people who advocate censorship.
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And, I also liked my own, posted to the ICANN comment forum:
Perhaps the Cybersafety Constituency should simply shut down their computers for good. That would definitely be preferable to letting this minority dictate the permissibility of on-line content in any sense.
The methods and goals of the Cybersafety Constituency are similar to those of other organizations and interest groups whose censorship agenda has been repeatedly struck down by the courts. No need to waste the time, energy or money on the futile pursuit of a "pure", porn-free world wide web. It simply will not happen.
The founders of this so called constituency ought to do a bit more fiddling with themselves, and lot less diddling with the rights of the rest of us. | |
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By The Associated Press
08.16.06
PHILADELPHIA — A federal appeals court yesterday struck down a Pennsylvania law on "lewd" behavior at liquor establishments, agreeing with two exotic dancers that the law is too broad and infringes on free speech.
The Pennsylvania Liquor Code statute punishes "a significant amount of protected speech," such as legitimate performances in theaters or comedy clubs where liquor is sold, a unanimous three-judge panel of the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled yesterday.
"As for what expression falls within the prohibition on 'lewd entertainment,' we, like the plaintiffs, find this to be a difficult question to answer," Judge Julio M. Fuentes wrote in Conchatta Inc. v. Miller.
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| | Backwards.. I am far more offended by organized religion than I am of pornography.
Yes, I am a parent of two kids and I still have this opinion.
This is an issue that PARENTS needs to address in their own homes. Not something that ICANN needs to address.
Do your job parents. Don't wait around for someone to do your job for you. | |
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Orlando, FL | Ironic how a group supposedly against porn spends so much time up everyones *ss | |
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