 Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 1 edit | No roaming on data plans should be default
While nothing can be made foolproof from users intent on being stupid(for real stupid; or just pretend stupid to ripoff the phone company), all Verizon data accounts should, by default, be "no roaming". And if you try to initiate roaming access from an overseas location, it should require positive action(more than just 1-click) by the customer to turn on roaming. That would end most of these overbilling claims from arising. And any claims of the customer not knowing what ran up the bill could be mocked by Verizon in the press. -- Take poll on how you will vote on Nov 2nd
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 |  SunnyD join:2009-03-20 Madison, AL | No contracts longer than 10 lines long should be default Seriously, the T's & C's of common service contracts are ridiculous. It's no wonder that nobody ever reads them, let alone understands them if they do. | |
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| Re: No contracts longer than 10 lines long should be default said by rchandra:You can thank lawyers and people who try to weasle out of stuff for T&Cs which are 20 pages long chock full of legalese. 20 pages? I was notified the other day that Apple had updated their T&C for the iTunes store. It was 55 pages long. If there are more then a dozen people in the world that actually read all 55 pages I'd be really surprised. | |
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 |  |  |  |  rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium join:2000-11-09 14225-2105 | Re: No contracts longer than 10 lines long should be default Well, then...the answer is simple in principle, but admittedly tough to execute: do not patronize them, and they will wither on the vine, until such time as they simplify their T&C.
Despite the lawyers putting forth their best efforts, I have to wonder just how enforceable some of these agreements are. Many of them are so chock full of "at our sole discretion" so as to make them meaningless. One may as well just word it something like "You are our customer but at any time at our sole discretion you are not; you will be terminated and we won't let you return." On that note, it's so simple: too broad. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.
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| said by cdru:said by rchandra:You can thank lawyers and people who try to weasle out of stuff for T&Cs which are 20 pages long chock full of legalese. 20 pages? I was notified the other day that Apple had updated their T&C for the iTunes store. It was 55 pages long. If there are more then a dozen people in the world that actually read all 55 pages I'd be really surprised. For the App store.. that's bloody insane. I'm going to read 55 pages on my phone..yeah sure.
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Man (or woman) up, read it, and then decide whether you want to agree with their terms or not. If the answer is "not," don't patronize them. As the saying goes, ignorance is no excuse, and I'll add it's just a cop-out. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.
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 |  | | Re: No roaming on data plans should be default Good idea, but I don't think it would be very good PR for Verizon to mock their customers.
Really, the charges should be explained to the customer trying to roam in terms of something like this:
If you roam internally, you could incur significant charges. Then they could show an approximation of the charges in terms of dollars for the country in question. This would give the customer the power to make an informed decision of whether or not they want to pay 4,000/hr ( or whatever that charge will be) to stream that movie... | |
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| Re: No roaming on data plans should be default said by jjeffeory:Good idea, but I don't think it would be very good PR for Verizon to mock their customers. Really, the charges should be explained to the customer trying to roam in terms of something like this: If you roam internally, you could incur significant charges. Then they could show an approximation of the charges in terms of dollars for the country in question. This would give the customer the power to make an informed decision of whether or not they want to pay 4,000/hr ( or whatever that charge will be) to stream that movie... Toyota mocked it consumers... how would this be any different... its normal and common procedure to mock your userbase... How unfortunate for the common consumer. | |
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 |  |  rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium join:2000-11-09 14225-2105 | Re: No roaming on data plans should be default I'm sorry, isn't that a bit of a catch-22? Turn off their access to email, then send them an email? It's kinda like the strip with Dogbert as Help Desk Tech resetting a user's password and sending the new password via email. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.
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| said by Romney2012: all Verizon data accounts should, by default, be "no roaming". And if you try to initiate roaming access from an overseas location, it should require positive action(more than just 1-click) by the customer to turn on roaming. Your posted suggestion is a reasonable, prudent, common sense solution to the problem. It really is.
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 |  |  |  | | said by Romney2012:said by TwighlightLA:said by Romney2012: all Verizon data accounts should, by default, be "no roaming". And if you try to initiate roaming access from an overseas location, it should require positive action(more than just 1-click) by the customer to turn on roaming. Your posted suggestion is a reasonable, prudent, common sense solution to the problem. It really is. How have you lasted here since 2002 posting like that? Stubbornness. Actually, there are 435 seats in Congress and it has a 97% reelection rate. Only about 65 are competitive. We need to throw out a lot more than the 50-60 that will win and sends Dems packing. The Senate is worse. Quit, die, or get caught doing something gay and that seat changes. Rarely do incumbents in the Senate lose.
So, really, who is the problem? The voters. "I like my Congressmen and Senator. Throw out so and so." Redistricting is another problem since they are drawn to keep everyone in office.
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| Re: No roaming on data plans should be default 2 words.. Term Limits.. Ban Lobbyists (ok thats 4 words)
Don't know if the American Constitution allows that.
But it's crazy to have 80yr old Senators voting on bills that are around technology that they barely pronounce let alone understand.
Point in case :
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said by elwoodblues:Don't know if the American Constitution allows that. Not yet; there's nothing stopping the amendment process to add one encompassing more than just the presidency.
said by elwoodblues:But it's crazy to have 80yr old Senators voting on bills that are around technology that they barely pronounce let alone understand. Well, yeah...look at rights-shredding monstrosities like the DMCA. Goodbye, fair use. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.
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 |  |  jtudorXm 60's On 6 FreakPremium,MVM join:2002-12-07 Morganton, NC | said by TwighlightLA:said by Romney2012: all Verizon data accounts should, by default, be "no roaming". And if you try to initiate roaming access from an overseas location, it should require positive action(more than just 1-click) by the customer to turn on roaming. Your posted suggestion is a reasonable, prudent, common sense solution to the problem. It really is. And that is exactly why Verizon and other carriers will NEVER implement it.
It is the logical thing to do, and Lawyers will NEVER agree to do the logical thing, it cuts into their revenue stream! -- Best of luck
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 |  horsemouthPlease Clarify My CSPPremium join:2002-03-13 canada | That will learn him for not speaking the Queens english. Honestly tho...the boy needs a swift kick not a 17,000 bill. | |
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| Yeah.... I realized there are more stupid people living in the US and never do their homework before getting anything. Who doesn't know DR is not covered?. When you get your service they tell you is Nationwide and covers US, Alaska, Puerto Rico.
I've had customers coming with their bills also thinking Canada is covered as well. | |
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How about people who don't understand much about cel phones already, but the sales person said - "No problem, its easy to use. You just plug it into your computer and you can use it anywhere!"
Sure, if you are technologically literate and the carriers only marketed to people who are, you might have a point. Then again, I could easily see technologically literate people (Re: Adam Savage of the Mythbusters) can imagine, it can't be that expensive to use this for an hour or two. Then find out it is more than $10,000 for an hour or two of usage. There is no world in which that is a reasonable price, or can be reasonably expected. It is like using a credit card to fill your gas in Europe, expecting a charge on your card that is high, because gas is more expensive, but missing the little asterix on the price that says foreigners have a 1,000% mark up. Then you get a credit card bill for $5,000 for a couple of gallons of gas. Then they say, why didn't you look at the small print - Sure you should have but that doesn't stop it from being point blank highway robbery. | |
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So you mean that corporations should be ethical as well as make money? Being legal isn't being the same as being ethical. | |
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1 edit | You do have a point. But read the article. The guy lived in PA for 23 years. It's really enough time living in the US to learn english and to have enough time to educate yourself on the product you are shopping.
Don't forget that every store have someone that speaks english and spanish as standard so even if he didn't know how to speak english after living in the US for 23 years then sure there will be a spanish rep to take care of him. | |
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1 edit | Yea i dunno I always had to provision peoples phones\modems so they worked outside of the country. Thats when you take the opportunity to explain to the customer these services cost additional money.
Ignorance at this point is no excuse, unless of course your living in a box and never seen the news/paper/internet talking about outrageous fees when traveling overseas. | |
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| Re: Yea i dunno said by slckusr:Ignorance at this point is no excuse, unless of course your living in a box and never seen the news/paper/internet talking about outrageous fees when traveling overseas. Seriously someone is going to want to pay 17K for cell charges?? These charges are just ridiculous. | |
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 |  cghh join:2001-01-15 Milpitas, CA | Re: Realtime usage meter said by fifty nine:How hard is it to implement a Realtime usage meter? Not necessarily that easy. The roaming provider most likely does not send the billing info in real time. Sometimes they just send a monthly bill to roamer's home system. So VZW does not know that you ran up $18000 in roaming charges until they get the bill a month later.
The European Union has ordered its members to provide real-time limits on roaming charges among them, but they are required to have their billing more tightly coupled than is generally the case internationally. | |
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| It is not that hard to implement a real time usage meter.....within their own network. And in most cases realtime isn't even needed, a random interval of checking 12 times per day is probably more then enough, and economically feasable for any operator.
The problem in these cases is the foreign carriers. The Dominican company he was roaming with, might only report back data usage to Verizon once a week. After all, when you roam, you are not connected to the Verizon (or other US carrier) network AT ALL, and data usage is piped to whatever internet backbone the local carrier has.
The real problem here is the REDICULOUSLY HIGH amounts of money being charged to phones that use the network of another carrier. While the local user may have a plan similar to the U.S., like with a 2 Gb data cap or something for an amount around 60-something dollars etc.... the international roamer gets charged something rediculous like $15 per Megabyte to use the same data network.
It should start with BIG companies. If the carriers of Canada, U.S., the major part of the EU, China, India and Japan just get together and stop charging eachother rediculous amounts of money for a little bit of data, we'll be a lot better of, and the smaller carriers in smaller countries will follow suit. -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" | |
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| Who is going to monitor that's accurate?
We have the same issue up here in Canada, our domiant Telco, which is also an ISP has gotten regulatory permission to start metering it's users, resellers and other ISP's using their last mile.
The ball is bounced between one regulatory agency that is responsible for weights and measures, to the other body that is responsible for the regulating the telco's (we don't regulate the Internet per se, they look at the pipes and regulate those). -- Jake: "Four fried chickens, and a coke" Elwood: "And some dry white toast, please" | |
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| subject because it told me to When I left the country on a cruise ship this past summer, the second we got out of range of the last cellphone tower(it was in the water about 50 feet from the shore) I got an SMS on my droid saying I was now roaming(cruise ship service) and It listed the prices for data and phone usage. | |
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 |  sapoCruising Down Memory LanePremium join:2002-09-16 Sacramento, CA kudos:1 | Re: subject because it told me to Yeah, when I drove through a few countries in Europe I received an SMS for each individual area explaining fees and everything as soon as I was roaming. -- A block of cheese is a good day indeed. | |
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said by sapo:Yeah, when I drove through a few countries in Europe I received an SMS for each individual area explaining fees and everything as soon as I was roaming. I guess it depends on how courteous a local carrier is to notify/warn you.
I went on a cruise last summer and the same thing happened, the second I got out of range of AT&T towers, I got a text explaining the rates; also, I kept getting the same texts when arriving and leaving various ports (my guess is it was switching between the ship's satellite coverage and local carriers).
However, when going on vacation to Mexico a few months ago, I did not get any texts whatsoever. I was roaming on MOVISTAR and TELCEL while there.
Of course, I have an iPhone and my data roaming is disabled by default, so I never run into surprises like that when traveling. I still make occasional phone calls, which are still a rip-off, but not as bad as data roaming. -- Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies... A MESSAGE to the RIAA and the MPAA: You shouldn't wound what you can't kill... | |
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Two years ago I was in the market for new cellphone service, and I wanted to find out what I was agreeing to before I signed up. I went to the websites of half a dozen carriers, and carefully paged through them.
None of them had anything that even remotely resembled "the contract". None of them.
One carrier might have disclosed all or most of its charges. But the disclosures were in tiny print so small I had to use a screen magnifier to read it, and it wasn't all in one place but rather scattered in bits and pieces all over the website, and the various bits and pieces interacted with each other in unintuitive ways so it was impossible to figure out what you would actually be charged.
The other carriers said stuff like "500 minutes for $50 per month" and not much more.
If users are confused and don't know what to expect, it's not the user's fault. Carriers have deliberately made it impossible to "read the contract" or to predict what your charges will be. It's the carriers' fault. | |
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 KoilPremium join:2002-09-10 Irmo, SC | Is this V-DSLR? You should really get some stories about Verizon on the front page... haven't heard much from them lately. | |
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 |  heat84Bit Torrent Apologist join:2004-03-11 Fort Lauderdale, FL 2 edits | Re: Is this V-DSLR? said by Koil:You should really get some stories about Verizon on the front page... haven't heard much from them lately. How is it Carl's fault that Verizon likes making an ass of itself everyday? -- Bit Torrent is my DVR. | |
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 BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | prove he used $18K in data I'd liek to see Verizon priove that the data he used cost them anywhere near $18K. Most likely closer to $18. | |
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Merely saying the customer should have read his contract ignores the draconian penalties for using these services. Suppose your mortgage company places a clause in your contract that states that, should your credit score ever drop below 600 for any reason, the entire balance of your mortgage shall be due immediately. Is that reasonable? The lender might argue that it is because your creditworthiness just dropped, and they need to ensure they'll get paid. Is it legal? Well, you did sign it, and it could be argued that it isn't completely arbitrary, since the lender can articulate a reason for it being there. Is it right? Of course not. | |
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 |  ARIA2LinuxPremium join:2002-04-15 Brooklyn, NY | Re: Share the blame agreed, he is a retard... wtf is wrong with him... anyway... they should prompt pricing on connection if you are roaming... but who has international coverage on the wifi? why would you turn it on, if he did turn it on, wopuldnt they tell him its expensive. | |
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Being unsophisticated is not the same as being retarded. Those of us who frequent this site may be a tad more sophisticated than the average Joe and know better. Others, who are casual users, could possibly get caught by this. | |
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| topic First off to the people calling this guy retarded, grow up some.
second This guy probably thought like others do that they got service through verizon and when roaming they are roaming on verizon and possibly never have a clue there on another network all together.
This is why there should be a system put in place anywhere you can access the internet on your phone or laptop that will state that you are either roaming or not and how much the price will be per kilobyte. I find it in this day and age these things are not already implemented.
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 |  Vchat20Landing is the REAL challengePremium join:2003-09-16 Columbus, OH | Re: topic said by moes:This is why there should be a system put in place anywhere you can access the internet on your phone or laptop that will state that you are either roaming or not and how much the price will be per kilobyte. Actually, some phones do this already. I've got a Motorola Q9c on Sprint running Windows Mobile and it has a specific option in the data settings for 'Data Roam Guard' which basically keeps you from using data if you are roaming (I haven't actually had a chance to use it whether it blocks it outright or throws up a warning you can 'OK' through). I've even seen some rare dumbphones with this feature as well.
I'd personally blame the phone manufacturers and moreso the carriers (Hello Verizon!) for a) Assuming people are not going to be roaming outside their network and attempting to use their device as they normally would, and b) Either not defaulting these user nanny features in the on position or keeping them out altogether (Oh yeah, we can make out like bandits on idiot customers if we just leave this one feature out! GENIOUS!). -- I swear, some people should have pace-makers installed to free up the resources. Breathing and heart beat taxes their whole system, all of their brain cells wasted on life support.-two bit brains, and the second bit is wasted on parity! ~head_spaz | |
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So yeah, Sprint doesn't want you to get a large bill then default on the account and stop paying monthly altogether. Even the deposit Sprint would make a bad credit score customer pay won't cover a $10K bill. | |
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 | | "user did not understand what they bought" Beginning and end. Dominican Republic != United States. No sympathy whatsoever here. | |
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 linicxCaveat EmptorPremium join:2002-12-03 United State | You gotta be kidding? I really can't fathom $200/minute ROAMING even with a tariff tacked on the bill. -- Mac: No windows, No Gates, Apple inside | |
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 rody_44Premium join:2004-02-20 Quakertown, PA | you hit it on the nose. More like the person knew all along what he was doing. Now he will just complain and hope he gets a credit and another month of free service. The douche bag never planned on paying anything. This just potentially gets him another month until he gets shutoff for non payment. At that point he just sells the phone on fleabay. | |
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 |  patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1 | Re: The COSTS are STUPID said by Rilly:There is no way they need to charge this cost for roaming fees to begin with. When i went to the states (from Canada), as soon as i crossed the border, i got the little notice telling me that roaming fees 1 MB = 55$. 55$ for 1 MB of data is crazy.. this is the problem.. people expect to pay more.. but they don't expect anything to cost THAT much money! $55 a MB would work out to 44K to download an 800 MB file. You should see what 800 MB of pay per text text messages are. | |
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Any system that can run up charges to above normal is a corrupt system, keyword here is normal. Society is made up of people of many levels of intellect and understanding, with the logic of "read the contract" you assume everyone understands the world the way you do, this is not a factual point of contention as we all know not all of us were A students? We all have parents, mine are older and they do not understand the new ways of the technological and contractual world and it is not their fault, no more than your inability to perform brain surgery. It is the greed of Corporations to get all that you can as opposed to a reasonable return on your investment. Greed is why we have whacked out contracts, not whacked out citizens. Besides when has it been necessary to have a contract for a utility? Contracts are for businesses doing business with each other and they have no place in this subject matter. If you love contracts and plans how about we start doing the same for driving your car. How many miles do you want to pay for upfront and every mile you go over your plan limit you will be charged at a rate 10 X that of the plan rate. In principle this is exactly the same and unamerican in my view and that of the majority of we were ever given the opportunity to vote on something like this, which we won't. | |
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 |  | | Re: Do not go quietly into that good night. well i got suprise charges when going through canada and i didnt enable data till i was in the u.s. but apparently i had just crossed the bridge and still was getting a canadian tower.. granted it was only 5-6 bucks so i didnt bother.. but it is possible to get service without knowing... | |
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 |  |  | | Re: Do not go quietly into that good night. said by ffdsdsf :
well i got suprise charges when going through canada and i didnt enable data till i was in the u.s. but apparently i had just crossed the bridge and still was getting a canadian tower.. granted it was only 5-6 bucks so i didnt bother.. but it is possible to get service without knowing... also I think some one in the past said they had rogers and they have sings that say no roaming fees in the Detroit area but that that turned out to be for voice only and he used some data and got a big bill. | |
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 |  |  | | Last time I was in Canada with my Verizon phone, I was unable to get a straight answer from anyone about what fees I would incur for texts or calls in Canada. I kept getting answers about what it would cost to call or text to Canada from the US, but that wasn't the question I was asking. Finally, I just decided to leave the phone turned off the whole time, since there was no other way to block texts.
What is so special about wireless carriers that bits become so much more expensive when they cross the border? My landline phone service is with OV, and I can call Canada and talk all day and it's covered in my flat monthly rate. With my internet service, I can visit any site in the world for a fixed rate. What is so special about wireless service? I keep hearing about having to use a different network and go through special fee structures. By now, the US-Canada border should have no meaning when it comes to moving bits around. Look at what has happened with Long Distance in the US. At one time, a long distance call was a major event. Now, the term "long distance" is an anachronism. When people move across the country, they don't even bother changing their phone number. If the cellular carriers ever stopped colluding on prices and had some real competition, you'd see those Canada fees disappear overnight. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Do not go quietly into that good night. In fact we should see the world fees disappear. I use 10-10-987 to make phone calls to Switzerland for 2c/min since the beginning of 10-10. They are still in business therefor they must make a profit. All costs should be upfront anyway and final. I pay flat and if that doesn't cover their costs then they have to fix it on their side. Imaging McD would charge the moment you leave and would be allowed to add extra fees. | |
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