 JehuPremium join:2002-09-13 MA kudos:2 | only a matter of time yep | |
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| Re: only a matter of time I don't see what bias you mean, but-
There are some services that offer more anonminity than others, and there are ways to increase your privacy, if you are smart. Nothing the feds couldn't back track if they wanted to (unless you really went crazy), but enough to keep the RIAA off of your back. -- -Ryan The more you know the more you know how little you know,you know? | |
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| Re: only a matter of time But even the anonymous services do very little to hide your information. The only way they could provide any chance of anonymity is if everyone connected through a proxy server in which case all the RIAA has to do is shut down that server (serving a subpeona first to get the list of ip addresses who have connected to that server for future lawsuits). -- "snmp: the standard e-mail protocol on the Internet" - LinkSys user manual (page 17) | |
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 |  |  |  |  tdkyo join:2002-12-07 Rochester, NY | Re: only a matter of time Or get into a smaller private network. | |
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| Re: only a matter of time or just get a laptop a wireless card and a big antenna, and go for a drive... | |
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 |  |  yockTFTCPremium join:2000-11-21 Miamisburg, OH kudos:3 | I'm puzzled as to why you're taking offense to the obviously op-ed comment about Sauron when you and the author appear to be on the same side of the argument...
Anyway, P2P as a technology could be very promising. A lot of innovative ideas in computing today came about though the underground and hacker scenes. No, I'm not afraid that the RIAA or the MPAA will single-handedly ruin this great technology. We all know from past experiences that progress is made in even the most inhospitable environments. Unfortunately, P2P networks will be used for illegal activities long after the RIAA and MPAA and all the other players in this alphabet soup lose interest. If there's one other thing we have learned in our brief computing history is that everything has a legitimate and illegitimate use, and both will be employed. | |
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Dag, I thought that was one of the things that torrents were offering was more privacy. I know a lot of people...  -- Updated My Journal TP&C | |
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 |  JehuPremium join:2002-09-13 MA kudos:2 | Re: Brought to you by not-Anon naw, torrents were offering easy access and download, but forced upload and wide open IP address broadcasting. I'm surprised it avoided crackdown as long as it did. -- [BBR] Jehu || SOCOM Oldies | |
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 | | I got one from CableVision (OOL) Yep I got one of these. I am currently 'investigating'
What really burns me up is I got two letters..simultaneously. The second not only alluded to a file I never ever downloaded, it was on a system I never ever use (edonkey) and neither the MAC address nor the IP address corresponded to mine. Obviously a mixup of their mail merge software, but it really scared me that I got mistakenly tagged with a possible violation, (and potentially OTHERS) and should push come to shove with the copyright holder receiving the info from the ISP, the burden would be on me to correct the record.
I sent a letter to them explaining this. It should be simple to sort out given the MAC/IP mismatches, but who knows.....
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 |  jdmurrayPremium join:2001-03-02 Huntington Beach, CA Reviews:
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| Re: I got one from CableVision (OOL) ...it was on a system I never ever use (edonkey)... Many P2P clients support multiple P2P protocols allowing them to download from different file sharing networks. File list servers make it possible to download and/or share files from the eDonkey network without realizing that you are doing so. | |
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 |  japPremium join:2003-08-10 038xx | said by Recluse: and neither the MAC address nor the IP address corresponded to mine.
Are you running your own wireless net? | |
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Since I also do quite a bit of gaming, I just about always know my PUBLIC IP address. It actually doesn't change that frequently either, so I KNOW that I NEVER was assigned the IP in question.
THAT PARTICULAR FILE WAS NEVER DL FROM MY MODEM!
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 | | Forget running when you can hide There was an app that acted like a p2p firewall but only for well known RIAA and major media IPs. I saw it in the forums of suprnova.org but I couldn't find the d/l for it (a while back.) But it wouldn't allow them to connect to you and would tell you who it blocked access from. Any one else seen this? | |
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 |  stetVolitar Prime join:2002-03-08 Warren, MI | Re: Forget running when you can hide What good is this list/app of known IPs when the RIAA and MPAA can also download it and use IPs that aren't on it? Every time the list/app is updated all they have to do is download the updates and switch to different IPs. -- Where can I run? How can I hide the Silmarils? Gems of treelight, their life belongs to me. Oh it's sweet how the darkness is floating around. | |
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 |  jsouthJsouth join:2000-12-12 Wichita, KS | If you are thinking of PeerGaurdian for get it. It doesn't help. First of all it allows them to connect to you before it closes the connection. Second a lot of it's ranges are wrong. Third what is to stop them from using a home ip address from connecting to you and having an ip address completely unknown to the PG database?
Oh yeah. Look out for the PG trolls. | |
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 |  |  steelgazePremium join:2002-02-01 San Francisco, CA | Re: Forget running when you can hide My thoughts exactly.. PeerGuardian is nothing but a placebo.. especially on BT because everyone's IP is out in the open. | |
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 |  |  jsouthJsouth join:2000-12-12 Wichita, KS | Re: Forget running when you can hide Yep. | |
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| Did Torrent Users really think they were anonymous? When I checked it out it looked like you were forced to share while downloading. I thought it gave less privacy than Kazaa, WinMX or Emule.
Torrent users should have seen other people's IP addys while downloading! Isn't that a wake-up call? -- See the real John Kerry. | |
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 |  jekler join:2000-11-23 Cincinnati, OH | Re: Why is it legal.... If by hack you mean 'connect like any other user on the network' why would that be illegal? | |
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 |  JehuPremium join:2002-09-13 MA kudos:2 | said by Freezone: for the RIAA to hack P2P networks?
from above:
"Anyone with a Bit Torrent client can clearly see the IP address of every other user connected to the same tracker."
no hacking required. -- [BBR] Jehu || SOCOM Oldies | |
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I doubt it unless they are putting phony copies of movies online. (Something along the lines of what Madonna did, first few seconds is the movie and then it's just the director cursing you out for the rest of the film. ) -- -Jason Levine http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/ http://www.PCQandA.com/ http://www.urateit.com/ | |
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 |  |  |  DesdinovaPremium join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | Re: Why is it legal.... According to "Pirates of the Internet" on 60 Minutes, the studios ARE putting spoofed movie files online and have been doing so for a while. They interviewed the owner of the private company that does this for them and which also spends its time surfing p2p usage looking for recent film releases available as downloads. | |
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| Bit Torrent is a bit safer While you are not annoymous while using BiT Torrent, the moment you close the download window you are no longer sharing the file. Fast Track, E-donkey and Gnutella clients on the other hand will, by default, continue to share the file even after you have finished downloading it and closed the download window.
Currently the letters from the MIAA are informing you to delete the file in question. Comcast/Cox/whoever can't actually tell if you have deleted the file or not, they can only tell if you are no longer sharing the file. So while you'll still get letters by using BT, you can effectively ignore them as you will no longer be sharing the file by the time you get them.
Of course this offers no such protection against the RIAA, who will sue you right off the bat. It will also not protect you against the MIAA when they switch to that tactic as well (which will happen eventually).
So the bottom line is that unless you really know what you are doing you will get caught eventually. It's kind of like speeding except with a much larger fine. -- "snmp: the standard e-mail protocol on the Internet" - LinkSys user manual (page 17) | |
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 |  BIGMIKEPremium join:2002-06-07 Westminster, CA | Re: Bit Torrent is a bit safer RIAA and several other companies feel that consumers don't deserve fair use, For me, P2P has been great. I abuse my CDs pretty badly, so it's nice when I get a horkin scratch, I can download whatever song has been compromised, and burn a new CD. As I understand it, I am entitled to the content of the CD when I purchase it, not the media itself. Otherwise, every time I scratch my CD, I would call up Sony and ask them for a new one... | |
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 |  |  Morac join:2001-08-30 Riverside, NJ kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Bit Torrent is a bit safer The "fair use" law basically states you can back up media you purchase for your own use. This means that if you buy a CD, you can make a backup copy which only you can play.
Technically it does not allow you to download copies of songs you have CDs of though that is kind of a gray area. The person sharing the file is definately not protected by the "fair use" law.
Why not just make backup copies of your CDs when you buy them and store the originals in a safe place? That way if you scratch the copy you can just make a new backup copy from the original. -- "snmp: the standard e-mail protocol on the Internet" - LinkSys user manual (page 17) | |
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Why does anyone use Bittorrent anyways? It's too much of a hassle and it sucks for people under firewalls. I am trying suprnova, which I believe is the largest torrent site so far, and am finding their organization of movies a mess and the number of selections puny compared to other p2p networks. I really hate it because in a firewalled environment you would have to open up listening ports according the number of torrrents you download simultaneously in order to get maximum speed. Sucks for us wardrivers. | |
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 | | What if... This may be a naive and stupid question, but I was unable to answer it myself. What's to stop somebody from simply saying they deleted the offending file(s) while they really didn't? The only way the RIAA would know if you didn't is if they were able to view all the files on your computer... which obviously wouldn't be possible unless the RIAA has begun using shadier tactics than before. | |
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 |  JehuPremium join:2002-09-13 MA kudos:2 | Re: What if... said by RIAASucks: What's to stop somebody from simply saying they deleted the offending file(s) while they really didn't?
I think that's just an aside for the notice... They're pointing out an illegal file, so they throw in that to be a good boy you ought to delete it. The notice is not about whether or not you delete the file, it's about whether or not you get busted downloading again. -- [BBR] Jehu || SOCOM Oldies | |
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| To Karl Bode. The first rule of fightclub is
DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHTCLUB
The second rule of fightclub is
DO NOT FUCKING TALK ABOUT FIGHTCLUB
The third rule of fightclub is
FOR THE FUCKING LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT FUCKING TALK ABOUT FIGHTCLUB!
If you're too dense to get the picture I'll spell it out for you, stop talking about where people should go for file sharing (in this case, IRC) you'll only end up shitting on your own seat. | |
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 | | Problem with the RIAA or MPAA then do this Move to Canada where for the time being it is free to download music. We pay extra for CDs and mp3 players but that has made it legal to download music. I assume movies and the MPAA would fit into that but hey. CRIAA will try to get rid of that as soon as possible. -- My Website - »homepage.mac.com/cparna/ - PowerBook G4 15" SuperDrive, 1 Gig of Ram, 80 Gig HD | |
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 |  | | Re: Problem with the RIAA or MPAA then do this What you going to dl if there is nobody uploading? | |
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 |  BIGMIKEPremium join:2002-06-07 Westminster, CA | USA Sometimes it is said that man can not be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.
In the USA I can own my firearms and go shooting (albeit primarily in designated areas). You are free to own or not to own any firearms. That is your choice. I CHOOSE to own them. I choose to fight and not let anyone take them away from me. Thanks to servicemen and women, I have the freedom to make that choice. | |
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| Finally About time this was going to happen.. I foresaw this when I first saw BT come out. Come now, who didn't see all the IP's you were connected, and figure that all you need to do is to start the torrent and eventually, you'll see everyone downloading/uploading. | |
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 JEJE 's BACK BABYPremium join:2000-12-15 East Orange, NJ | HaHa GUESS WHAT....
When I use BT, most of the IP's I see come from COMCAST....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! DSLEXTREME VERIZON Those 3 RULE BT! -- BLAZIN' FAST OOL @: 9400/971Can Your ISP Go This FAST? VRoOoOoOoOm!-- I Have: AVG 7.0 | ZA 4.5.538.001 | ICQ: 16705298 |AIM: EdGei365i -- | |
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 |  batmanst join:2003-12-23 Beverly Hills, CA | Re: HaHa said by JE: GUESS WHAT....
When I use BT, most of the IP's I see come from COMCAST....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! DSLEXTREME VERIZON Those 3 RULE BT!
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The average Joe needs to learn to grow up in terms of branching out from the crap that is produced by major companies that only enforce and promote censorship, laughable lawsuits against filesharers (instead of providing a cheap, legal download service > $.50 song, not $1.00 a pop, cd's are approx. $1 a song, where's the advantage of using a legal d/l service?).
If you must listen to the music that the RIAA puts out, try getting the cd's used on half.com or ebay. Quit putting money in the coffers of the greedy scam arists RIAA and start speaking out with the most powerful tool that the average Joe has:
The Almighty, Good Ol' Fashion American Greenback!
[/soapbox off] -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. --- Edmund Burke Kill your TV, then Internet Explorer: »www.mozilla.org | |
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 |  |  Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX | Re: HaHa Try more than a $1 per song for the legal download services. The riaa is talking of raising prices on files downloaded from there, making it cheaper to buy the CD in many cases. Either that, or they'll shoot themselves in the foot again (they're running out of feet to shoot) by driving the users of the legal services back to p2p. -- "Kayura or Badamon, whichever you are, you should know that I will never give up this battle. By the will of the Ancient, I shall succeed!" - Shuten (Anubis) from the Ronin Warriors. | |
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 SirXILEThe SolWar 2-1Premium join:2001-02-24 Brooklyn, NY | Hm Damn IP's that show. It's a give away...  -- There can only be one..."X.I.L.E" | |
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 YowzaaahOurs Go To Eleven join:2000-12-14 DamnFlat, OH | Can you Socksify BT? It would seem to me that if you could socksify the BT client, then using an anon socks5 proxy would sufficiently cover your tracks to prevent IP logging.
If it works I'd think there would be plenty of folks happy to start a subscription SOCKS server farm in China to take the $5 per month that the RIAA/MPAA refuses to accept as a general compulsory license fee. | |
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 |  ShamayimI already have a Messiah.Premium join:2002-09-23 1 edit | Re: Can you Socksify BT? said by Yowzaaah: I'd think there would be plenty of folks happy to start a subscription SOCKS server farm . . .
SOCKS farm?? LOL, I like the sound of that. Does such a thing even exist now?
It's usually best to find your own SOCKS proxies in any case. -- "tick...tick...tick..." »www.jtf.org/ | |
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 YowzaaahOurs Go To Eleven join:2000-12-14 DamnFlat, OH | Is it really copyright infringement? It would take a court case to argue it, but if I'm not mistaken, doesn't BT push and pull non-contiguous bits and pieces from individuals? In the end "I" actually transferred nothing even identifiable as the work in question but a few snippets.
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said by Yowzaaah: It would take a court case to argue it, but if I'm not mistaken, doesn't BT push and pull non-contiguous bits and pieces from individuals? In the end "I" actually transferred nothing even identifiable as the work in question but a few snippets.
Just some random musings.
I've always speculated precisely the same. If you haven't xmitted only but a few small non-contiguous bytes of a "work", then how could it be infringement.
Likewise under the same premise, I don't see how anyone could prove you actually possess or are offering the entire work, since they would only get a few pieces (which by themselves as a group are meaningless) from you, and the rest would come from other users in the same fashion.
Unless they could actually rebuild an entire work solely from one user, I just can't see it.
I think it's similar to the way most rap music productions loop a short sample from a previously existing work to create their base "melody".
Sure, often they pay royalties to the creator, but that is ONLY if they use more than (if memory serves me) 2 contiguous bars of the original work, and then loop that.
Less than 2 bars looped, no royalties need be paid at all.
I believe one day, this type of argument will be held up in court regarding this type of p2p.
I felt this was the case way back when eDonkey 1st hit the scene, since it worked on the "piece from here", "piece from there" principle. | |
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 PhilRojo SolPremium join:2001-06-11 Camarillo, CA kudos:2 | "The majority of traders have simply fled to IRC"
"The majority of traders have simply fled to IRC."
This is completely false. Like someone using Kazaa or Bit Torrent would be able to simply flee to IRC. IRC takes a more "advanced" user than the 99% of people who use BT or Kazaa type clients. -- F.A.M.I.L.Y. -- Friends And Music I Love You | |
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 |  | | Re: "The majority of traders have simply fled to IRC" how do i get the tic toe board thing after the /join 3channel name
i keep getting 3's i need the tictac toe board ....
think dsl provider would awnser that? | |
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 |  lbolson join:2004-02-24 South Lake Tahoe, CA | I keep waiting for someone to say "Usenet".
I have Charter Pipeline Internet. They contract their nntp from SuperNews, so we have "premium" feed for free.
Say I've got a copy of NewsReactor installed. I also happen to have the url for Newzbin. I can type in the names of movies or anything there, and be given the newsgroup where some neferious souls have uploaded the parts. New movies are usually available there before they make the move from IRC onto the mainstream P2Ps. And it isn't like new releases are only posted in newsgroups with helpful names, either.
I suppose they could get an order to read logs, but I think they'd have a hard time in general, as ISPs and nntp providers don't actually want to have their custommers jailed, and will only produce things they are specifically ordered to produce, not spread their legs. Just thought I'd mention this. People going on about p2p and irc, when one the original distibution nets is still going strong. | |
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 |  |  PhilRojo SolPremium join:2001-06-11 Camarillo, CA kudos:2 | Re: "The majority of traders have simply fled to I I also have Supernews through my ISP.
My point though is that the authors statement that people will up and flee to IRC in droves is completely false. The same goes for USENET. -- F.A.M.I.L.Y. -- Friends And Music I Love You | |
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