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Phylop
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Reston, VA | Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info Google likely uses some of the data for their video ranking system among other things. | |
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Austin, TX | I would have to agree with Google being a threat to privacy.
And I believe that they are wanting to maintain personal medical records on line??? Do no evil, yeah right..... | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info They post Copyrighted material on YouTube and then push ads in a lot of the videos or on the sides of the pages. You don't say they don't make any money off it? | |
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| Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info said by hottboiinnc :They post Copyrighted material on YouTube and then push ads in a lot of the videos or on the sides of the pages. You don't say they don't make any money off it? Really? Google posts copyrighted info? Is that so? I guess all ISP's post copyrighted info then as well?
"Safe Harbor." Guys like you want the ISP's and sites to be the Net Nanny/Jack Booted Thugs Gestapo. I don't. As long as they remove copyrighted works in compliance with the DMCA, they do nothing illegal.
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| Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info said by sivran :said by hottboiinnc :They post Copyrighted material on YouTube and then push ads in a lot of the videos or on the sides of the pages. You don't say they don't make any money off it? Huh? Where are the ads on youtube?  Here is one. There are many more.
See the HONDA ad.
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| Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info said by MisterMarcus :remember...most savvy users have AdBlock running, so to us it seems as though websites stopped using ads altogether. Yes, it's that effective. I do as well. I had to turn it off to get that screen capture in my earlier post.
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| Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info said by hottboiinnc :I am a savvy user but i do not use Adblock. I don't even use Firefox. IE works just fine for me. And should with anyone who keeps their computers up to date. I said the same thing before I realized I was an idiot for using IE over FireFox 2 years ago.  | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info i see no reason in using FF. IE works just fine for me. And in a lot of sites its only IE. Why have FF and have to make websites "think" i'm using IE? Just use IE and get it over with. | |
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| said by gark :said by LiamJunket :... Google makes a lot of money off of copyright infringement. .. gotta a link for that? or just your opinion? He's a Google hater.
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Toledo, OH | Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info I guess you can call me a google hater too. I for one hope they lose against Viacom and against the 1billion they're being sued for against "their" contact transfer program. | |
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| Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info That got a laugh out of me, but they probably DO have enough money now to actually buy Viacom 
The Problem I have with most official video sources is as follows:
- Sometimes the player will not rewind or fast forward right if you stop a show and want to pick up where you left off later. I'm looking at you, CBS Price is Right Player.
- In early beta players, video is sometimes slow loading...
- The same 20 second add five times in a show is a tad annoying...either cut the add, or show different short ones..
If youtube can upgrade the quality, the companies can use this service to their advantage as well..putting shows on there to gauge the audience for potential DVD sales, for instance. Seeing how many hits an old show gets for a potential revival.
If only the old fogies at studios wouldn't be so scared of technology and see the great potentials it has.. | |
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| said by Kearnstd :google's optimal solution is to simply buy Viacom. I'd amend that to say: Google's optimal solution is to simply buy Viacom just to shut them down. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: Maybe someone should be asking why Google saves info Why does all of Viacom deserve to be shut down because they have an overly ambitious legal department?
Though Google buying Viacom and trying to become a media company would probably be rather bad... | |
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| said by LiamJunket :Aside from the issue of the Court requesting all this info to hand over to Viacom, another issue should be why Google needs to KEEP all this info. They are a greater threat to privacy than the judge in this case and in Viacom who merely wants the data to get Google to fork over money for hosting their movies, TV Shows, etc. I absolutely agree with this, and I have been saying so for a while now. Everybody seems to have this blind trust in Google that's as strong as the blind hate in Microsoft.
As for the so called push to "Cloud Computing," I'm not excited about my data being housed by a third party which might have to hand it over at some point as part of a lawsuit. This case is an excellent example.
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| said by LiamJunket :Aside from the issue of the Court requesting all this info to hand over to Viacom, another issue should be why Google needs to KEEP all this info. I notice you always bash Google, and defend those who attack them. Why? I strongly suspect much of the information Google keeps on YouTube is required by law--- because of BS copyright provisions that require they do so for their own protection.
Personally, I'm fine with Google being able to tell me what videos I've watched. I'm not fine with that private info being handed out to various third parties for BS reasons.
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| ... I think Viacom has a pretty compelling reason for the records.
The need for court proceedings is almost laughable. Once asked, the judge should have just granted the billion. If Google doesn't feel the need to moderate their own site of copyright infringement then they should pay the piper. | |
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| Re: ... "If Google doesn't feel the need to moderate their own site of copyright infringement then they should pay the piper."
Are you really implying that someone who uploads, say, a 30 second clip of the intro of a TV show with the theme song should be sued for it? Or a 2-3 minute scene from that same show? Or a series of clips put together in the form of a music video? Should someone who's really just looking for, literally, a specific quote, or wants to see the intro to a show they used to watch 20 years ago, have to go out and pay $30-50 for a full season of the series just to find that one thing? Would you? I wouldn't. Maybe I'm just cheap, but for instance, when I wanted to show my daughter the intro to the old Disney cartoon Gummi Bears, I wasn't about to head out to Best Buy and get a full three-season set to do so. Now, if I wanted to show her the episodes, I'd gladly fork over the money. But just to show the intro? NO.
Maybe I'm utterly naive, but I've yet to see anyone hosting full episodes or movies on Youtube. The most I've ever found are clips. Hell, I've used it before to look for things when I wanted to show them to people. Do you actually think people go...well hey, I'd like to watch every episode of X-Files...ever...I know...I'll look on Youtube! Yeah right. Give me a break. Are they going to start going after people who make screen caps and fansites and AIM icons again? Fanfiction? What's next?
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| Viacom has a compelling reason to obtain the personal data of millions of users? I guess there's nothing like illegal data mining for profit, eh? Google does moderate Youtube, deleting thousands of video each day, and has also implemented automated detection of copyrighted content. But even then, you should read the 'Safe Harbour' provision in the DMCA.
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1 edit | Re: ... It's not flame bait.
What is obvious is the clip information that YouTube displays on their very own pages: [code=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO_vFuzPJvc
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"23,526,160 views. Added July 8, 2006."
I guess we can pretend otherwise, if we want. By the way, nice ads they have next to those videos. I'm sure the revenue is nice. | |
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| Re: ... Are you *serious*? That same frakking music video was playing at least 25 million times on VH1 and MTV in the year 1997 alone probably. I'm exaggerating a bit, but you couldn't turn those channels - especially VH1 - on without seeing it back in the day. I'm fairly certain in fact I have it on a VHS tape. No one's going to choose not to go buy the CD or movie in favor of watching that video. In all likelihood, the opposite will happen - someone will come across it, remember that they liked the music, and go out and buy a product.
But feel free to continue to live in your little world where ideally the thought police would arrest us merely for thinking about that music video if we didn't pay for it.
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Fredonia, NY | Re: ... So since we see they aren't doing anything resembling moderating their site of copyrighted material, let's move straight to the thought police.  | |
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| Who to thank... who to blame... I'm as concerned about privacy rights as anyone. But if you want to blame someone for their erosion then it's those who commit piracy and child porn on a grand scale. No one wants to prosecute porn, but child porn is another matter altogether. And piracy on a small scale wouldn't grab anyone's attention. But those who commit these crimes on the grand scale of megabyte, after gigabyte, after terabyte... they're the ones you need to blame.
You certainly can't blame the man for trying to stop it. And a site like Google or MySpace that lets all this crap happen, and keeps track of it to boot- Well you can't blame the man for making them cough it up. I'm not saying that MySpace condones or contains child porn. I'm AM saying though that SOMEONE is making it possible to transmit it across the net and around the world- a lot of someones. And that's where my point of view jumps from the Googles and MySpaces to the WWW.
It has always been said that if you build a better mouse trap the world will beat a path to your door. That is so true. Well the man has largely taken a hands off approach to the web until lately. But the greedy and the depraved have built the perfect storm, and the man is coming to the rescue. This is going to be as big a mess as that idiotic ruling that just came out of the Supreme Court about the Gitmo detainees.
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| interesting claim by viacom I dunno if anyone else found this part, but I read that Viacom claimed that youtube indexed copyrighted videos differently and therefore wanted access to the source code. Good thing the judge saw past this. But it makes me question if viacom truly cares about fighting piracy or they just want people's viewing habits and came up with a less than clever way of doing it.
To be honest, im not quite sure how much 'piracy' youtube facilitates. I think google does a pretty good job enforcing and taking down copyright stuff, and it bothers me that viacom thinks they are not doing enough. Youtube's business is to host videos of whatever the public uploads, not to enforce this content. Why should Viacom go after youtube of all things if they want to 'fight piracy?' Oh right, because they can make money because they know google has the cash.
Whoever mentioned the thing about childporn, how is that relevant at all? There are all sorts of 'youtube porn sites' that have no relation to google whatsoever. Viacom should go after them. | |
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| ALL? I can see Viacom asking for relevant data pertaining to their copyrights, but for ALL viewers habits? I mean ALL of it? Why all?
I don't care for Google (my personal opinion) but I do hope they either A) never give up the data, or B) if they really have too after fighting tooth and nail, give 'meaningless' data. After all, how would Viacom know what the real data was?
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: ALL? Even social security numbers had popped up on google at one point so viacom is right. | |
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| Viacom will win this and they'd know if the data was "meangingless" they know that Google keeps the information they want so what's the big deal if its open in a court of law? Google keeps the 12 terabytes of data for a reason. But doesn't say what so they should have to answer for that just like anyone else would have to. | |
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| Get ready for MPAA/RIAA settlement letters. Logs from google have shown that you watched a 30 second clip of Southpark on Youtube. We will happily settle for 3500 dollars. If you choose not to settle we will happily sue you in court for 10x the damages.. etc etc etc.
What's worse is that they have proof of delivery if you did this signed up under an account.
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| Re: Get ready for MPAA/RIAA settlement letters. said by NOCMan :Logs from google have shown that you watched a 30 second clip of Southpark on Youtube. We will happily settle for 3500 dollars. If you choose not to settle we will happily sue you in court for 10x the damages.. etc etc etc. What's worse is that they have proof of delivery if you did this signed up under an account. I believe the only way you would be liable for anything is if you were the one who uploaded it.
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| Data dump A 12TB data dump. Fine, print it all out on regular paper and deliver it to the court. There you go Judgie Boy. Sort through it all you want. See you in a few thousand years. My bet is he'll see the stupidity of his decision after the first phase of the data dump occurs.
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4 edits | Viacom should be HAPPY! Viacom should be HAPPY that YouTube is providing them FREE HOSTING AND VIEWERS for their crappy content! Last week, research came out that shows conclusively the median age of TV viewers is now 50! With only old farts watching TV (and advertisers wanting the 18-49 year old demographic), if I was Viacom I'd BE PAYING YouTube for showcasing my content to younger viewers!
By the way, CBS (Viacom) has the OLDEST demos, with THEIR median age of 53!
This is another RIAA like moronic move with Napster. Napster offered to become a pay service, and then partner with them to sell product. Instead of taking the 10 million customers offered them ON A PLATINUM PLATTER, the moron RIAA sued Napster out of existance! Fast forward TEN YEARS to today and the labels STILL haven't figured out how to sell music online-while the number of CDs they sell drops every year!
Now, here comes YouTube, offering to GIVE Viacom younger demos FOR FREE and instead, Viacom's totally short term desire to cook the next quarter's books into looking good-at the expense of the future-instead sues them!
Talk about killing the goose that lays the golden eggs!
These companies like Viacom couldn't BUY a clue with a ten thousand dollar bill!
Guess what Viacom? Next year your median age will be 54, and YouTube will have told you to pound sand! What will you do THEN when your profits are DOWN 25%. Sue someone else?
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| Re: Viacom should be HAPPY! If you're going to write a long pointless rant about a company, at least get your facts straight. "The old" Viacom was broken up into two companies: "the new" Viacom (who is suing Google), and CBS Corporation, which seems to take a much more hands-off policy regarding YouTube. That's right, your rant about CBS demographics is totally irrelevant when talking about Viacom.
"The new" Viacom: MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon, BET, Paramount Pictures
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| Re: Viacom should be HAPPY! most of CBS content is available free OTA or from cable provider VOD services. someone posting their stuff on Youtube cant harm them at all since people get their stuff for free anyway.
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Hingham, MA | Re: Viacom should be HAPPY! Indeed- that's probably why they seem to be more lenient, and deliberately try to spread their content around (the "audience network")... Viacom's mostly in cable and movies where people have to pay some money to begin with. | |
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| Re: Viacom should be HAPPY! said by EPS :Indeed- that's probably why they seem to be more lenient, and deliberately try to spread their content around (the "audience network")... Viacom's mostly in cable and movies where people have to pay some money to begin with. »www.hulu.com/browse/network/tv
SOME comedy central stuff there - But they seem to take it down after a month.
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This study has been widely lambasted by industry insiders since the day it was released because it didn't take in to account the manner in which younger people view "TV" content--DVRs, P2P, cellphone delivery, YouTube (yes, clips of copyrighted shows still get posted there--they may get taken down at some point, but idiots still keep posting), etc. Younger people watch TV shows, just differently and the content of many shows is geared toward their tastes. Shows why old-fashioned opinion pollsters are going to go belly up if they don't take in to account new technology and media when conducting their surveys. | |
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| You've been Rick-rolled! LOL! A link to a 'rick-roll' right in the headline!
Good one, Karl!
That's where Google/YouTube should start-- by sending Viacom all the rick-rolled links that have ever been clicked. | |
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| youtube tos really, i wouldnt be at all surprised if some people in the gov (possibly the riaa) payed viacom to sue google, hoping that something like this would happen, therefor setting a precedence for this kind of copyright infringement case.
then again, if it really was the riaa, then jesus, makes you wonder how far their arms stretch, and how big the money trail has to get before someone decides to do something to shut the bastards down.
i unno, maybe im just being paranoid lmfao, but hell, if the riaa can get lawsuits without ANY hard evidence, then this being backed by them seems plausible, we all know what whores they are.
and that's another thing, wtf ever happened to checks and balances. thought that crap was supposed to balance the power of the government and all its constituents/agencies.
btw, TK, nothing personal, but every time i read a post in one of these news articles that you write, i begin to wonder if either someones paying you off, or if you really think we should lock the net down and rule over it all like the way China-land does.
as for google, all search engines are alike. yahoo, ask, msn, google, and w/e other ones there are that are legit search engines; they all display ads, track your info and such, its not just google.
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Hingham, MA | Re: youtube tos If it WAS the RIAA, it'd probably be Sony or Vivendi behind the lawsuits against YouTube... the RIAA doesn't need to work through other media conglomerates when they have their own.
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1 edit | Privacy? You have none I can't tell you how many sites link their news stories and articles to youtube videos.
The problem is this.
In order to qualify of fair use you must edit the clip in some way.. As an example adding your graphic to the start, middle, or end of the video, or add the clip into your custom video to show that you are using it with your story or article would qualify.
Some people have been haphazardly uploading files and i have seen Google take them down time and time again.
A few people have argued that Google doesn't take video's down at all. That is an egregious lie.
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