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If USF is expanded to include subsidized rural broadband
(old news - 06:32PM Thursday Feb 01 2007)
tags: prices · business · Politics
As it stands, the Universal Service Fund, which you pay into every month through a fee on your broadband and phone bills, goes toward delivering phone service to rural communities and in some cases broadband access to rural schools. The problem, as we've pointed out repeatedly, is that the FCC has consistently failed to manage the fund, or even really track where the money goes. Some of it goes back to the providers, but a lot is also wasted thanks to abuse, fraud, or dysfunction. One economist recently estimated taxpayers were paying $13,345 per telephone line per year (see his pdf report) for federally subsidized rural phone service, with the providers gobbling up most of that.

There's been a consistent push to expand the fund so it includes subsidizing rural broadband. A few weeks ago Senator Ted "Tubes" Stevens proposed such an idea. Democratic Rep. Rick Boucher of Virginia and Republican Lee Terry of Nebraska have also been pushing to rework and expand the fund so it subsidizes rural broadband, though that may mean an increase on the fees on your monthly bill (another good writeup of Boucher's plan is here). The problem obviously is that expanding the fund without really fixing the problems (via comprehensive audits) just means more waste, fraud, and mismanagement -- just with a larger budget.

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Siryak

join:2005-11-26

Satellite Sucks!!!

Please save me from satellite!!!

nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

said by Siryak See Profile :

Please save me from satellite!!!
Okaaaaay...

-tom

TScheisskopf
World News Trust

join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
Ok.../me puts on healing glove...

Yer' saved.

djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME

Satellite technology is fine for most things, except gaming. And frankly I'm not interested in subsidizing rural broadband so farmer john's son can frag in the boonies.

The biggest problem with DirecWay is the FAP, and that's not an inherent limitation of satellite broadband. So, if we're going to direct funds towards something, I'd like to see more competition in that area (or at least see DirecWay/WildBlue improved).
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Siryak

join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

said by djrobx See Profile :

Satellite technology is fine for most things, except gaming. And frankly I'm not interested in subsidizing rural broadband so farmer john's son can frag in the boonies.

The biggest problem with DirecWay is the FAP, and that's not an inherent limitation of satellite broadband. So, if we're going to direct funds towards something, I'd like to see more competition in that area (or at least see DirecWay/WildBlue improved).
https,VPN...There is more things than just gaming that needs low latency. Granted I wont lie to you the reason I want it IS gaming. But there are plenty of people out there that need it for other reasons. Also satellite internet is expensive and unreliable. Trust me if you ever had to deal with satellite you would be wanting this to go through too. Browsing is also MUCH slower. Take everything you do on DSL and then multiply that by about 10 times the time and you will have satellite.
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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Miami, FL
·Speakeasy


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February 1st, @08:52PM

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

Https does not add that much overhead and frankly my grandfather on a 256/128 connection is doing just fine. Most people I know who are gamers will find local gamers in the community and setup a city wide LAN party for everyone can enjoy you simply pay a fee and bring your computer in and that money goes to help pay for what ever it costed to rent a large room that's well ventilated.

You can also carpool to a nearby hotel rent yourself a few rooms and party your ass off on the hotel's OC lines.

No offense but if I lived in the boonies I will still be having just as much fun as I would have in the city. Although I might not get everything a city has to offer there are other ways to entertain yourself.

Ever considered the bowling alley or maybe some go-karts and ride your ass off all day? Or maybe instead of gaming all day with those shooting game actually get yourself a license buy yourself and shoot yourself some discs of the backstreet boys in the air or maybe a duck for dinner?

Although you may not have broadband in your area you can setup large parties and drive down the highway in a line playing some loud music and everyone having a blast only to have a bigger blast on a super fast connection with hundreds of local gamers from the community.

EDIT: Also forgot to say but maybe you want to buy yourself a good router and install a nice omni directional antenna so you can game with your neighbor across the street or something.

When I think boonies I think freedom to roam hell screw broadband let's jump off a damn cell tower. Yeehaw!
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Siryak

join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

You are not understand here...I am the only person that I know of anywhere even close to me that even has an Xbox 360!!! It would be one lonely car pool. There is also no neighbors "across the street". Basically there is me and my computer.
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
·Speakeasy

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

Well there is nobody going to run a fiber line to you even if you did pay I know I wouldn't because then if you decide to move I am stuck with a dark fiber line that's probably not even fully paid.

You chose to live in the boonies your going to have to find a way to get the speeds and ping times you want, because nobody is going to do it for you. Stuff like that are usually things a regular joe won't be able to afford but hell if I where you I would be glad I even had internet.

Instead of crying to wolf to the government the first thing I will do if research and look into any type of technology that could be capable of me communicating to a nearby city wirelessly as some kind of fixed solution or maybe look into Sprint or now Verizon's Rev A networks and see if I am capable of picking up a signal by having a high gain antenna.

I know someone who tried it, I seen a Youtube video about it where basically someone had one bar of signal and turned on a omni directional antenna and got all bars after that and lives in the middle of the boonies as well.
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Siryak

join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

said by Michieru See Profile :

Well there is nobody going to run a fiber line to you even if you did pay I know I wouldn't because then if you decide to move I am stuck with a dark fiber line that's probably not even fully paid.

You chose to live in the boonies your going to have to find a way to get the speeds and ping times you want, because nobody is going to do it for you. Stuff like that are usually things a regular joe won't be able to afford but hell if I where you I would be glad I even had internet.

Instead of crying to wolf to the government the first thing I will do if research and look into any type of technology that could be capable of me communicating to a nearby city wirelessly as some kind of fixed solution or maybe look into Sprint or now Verizon's Rev A networks and see if I am capable of picking up a signal by having a high gain antenna.

I know someone who tried it, I seen a Youtube video about it where basically someone had one bar of signal and turned on a omni directional antenna and got all bars after that and lives in the middle of the boonies as well.
So I am supposed to change my whole lifestyle and move just to get decent internet service? Seriously that has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I guess you think we should not get electricity or phone line either. Also I have looked at EVERY option and none of them work. "I would be glad that I even had internet." Dude seriously that is the biggest croc of shit I have ever heard. I am not asking for much just a simple 1.5mb DSL line. I don't want a 50mbps fiber optic line. Just the technology that you have had for YEARS. I realize I may never see a fiber optic line. That is fine. All I want is something with decent bandwidth and a low latency. Wanna give the city people 100mbps thats fine. But to completely ignore us is just ridiculous.
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
·Speakeasy

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

Im not saying to change your lifestyle dumbass. What I am trying to tell you is think of things in a different way and look for things you can do to attract a company towards you or at least find a way to create your own pipe.

I never told you to move, I told you to carpool with some friends to make a large LAN party at the nearest hotel with a few T1's or OC connections. Although what I previously said sounds like croc of shit as you say it's the truth. Without a provider you are without internet. Satellite was created for remote locations and frankly you fit that category nicely.

Maybe when you find out how much it costs and all the legal paperwork a company has to do in order to wire you plus the cost of the cable itself, frankly the ROI could not be seen until maybe 50 or even 70 year's down the road. I didn't tell you fiber either, I told you wireless.

People who live in the city is just that, it's filled with people. Meaning the ROI will be faster and the equipment could be paid off. What advantage will it be if you must pay a good 50,000K just for some customer could pay 50.00 per month.

So for example say you pay 50.00 dollars per month or 600 per year.
It will take around 84 year's and that's even if you stay with the line itself for them to even START seeing some revenue. For the amount of copper and equipment required it could possibly be THAT much unless your just in the outskirts of the city.

Considering that the price of copper recently raised it's literally being stolen in Europe from the poles for sale.

Oh and I live right in the northern part of Miami yet since bellsouth does not want to upgrade the LSC's I can't get anymore than 1.5/768 yet my next door neighbor has a nice fat pipe of 6.0/512 and pays the same amount of money as me.

You think it's fair, you think I am being treated any different here than you? No I am not. If I want to upgrade the line manually at the CO I could pay for it. But it will cost me around 2K for just one LSC which is not worth my effort.

Of course it's simply a replacement swap which is why for me it costs cheaper. But obviously you are also forgetting about labor costs and the works.

It might sound like croc of shit, but the provider is the one who says yes or no. Frankly I love Speakeasy I think there great. Too bad I have to leave in August.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

Where does 50K come from especially since boonies are by poles only? Why dont they hire some mexicans and do it for 1K?

Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
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Miami, FL
·Speakeasy

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

Oh so you want to hire mexicans eh?

Then you go out crying that companies are hiring illegals and stealing americas jobs. You just opened a can of worms my friend, it seems you also support child labor. After all who cares if the kid only get's hard bread as lunch and working 16 hour shifts for a mere 4 dollars, as long as you get what you want right? That's all that really matters here or so it seems.

Also if you did not notice I did not provide the cost for the amount of traffic the user could be getting so the profit margin is even smaller to pay for the line itself so even if you where to drop costs, you still will most likely get the same amount of year's required until the line can become profitable.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

said by Michieru See Profile :

Oh so you want to hire mexicans eh?

Then you go out crying that companies are hiring illegals and stealing americas jobs. You just opened a can of worms my friend, it seems you also support child labor. After all who cares if the kid only get's hard bread as lunch and working 16 hour shifts for a mere 4 dollars, as long as you get what you want right? That's all that really matters here or so it seems.

Also if you did not notice I did not provide the cost for the amount of traffic the user could be getting so the profit margin is even smaller to pay for the line itself so even if you where to drop costs, you still will most likely get the same amount of year's required until the line can become profitable.
Our government couldnt care less about illegal immgrants, whats wrong with hiring them, they are crucial to america's economy, thats only what Bush Jesus wants!

Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
·Speakeasy

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

Yeah most likely they don't. But frankly I don't see why we must abuse human beings simply because we want lower product costs.

If you step into a immigrants shoes for just a few minutes you realize they constantly need to be on guard for the cops (Yes they do search for them here). You get paid crap while busting your ass and eat Mac donalds for the next few couple of months.

Yeah, I worked around illegals and I seen how they are abused, just like one worker fell from a apartment building that was being built in downtown and landed on the rail only to slice him inside because he was illegal he as a human being was worthless right?

Those who hire illegals and simply abuse them by giving them crap pay and huge amount of work is nothing short other than slavery. Just like I assume it's ok to treat blacks as slaves because they can pick up cotton and rice because it's "crucial to america's economy".

Sounds to me that's only what you want, and frankly I don't believe in jesus yet I respect christianity and the people who believe in it so show some respect asshole.
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Siryak

join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue

"You think it's fair, you think I am being treated any different here than you?"

Yes I do. Want to argue with me on that? Post a ping test. I will post mine and we will compare. Also if it was only 2k then I would gladly pay it. The problem is I don't need another line. I need a CO that is 8 tenths of a mile closer. I tried to get ISDN(digital dial-up) and they wouldn't even give me that. It is not that I have not tried to get internet. I have tried EVERY single possible way there is to get broadband and I keep getting the big fat NO. Also what would be wrong with them deploying BPL to us rural folk?

Pinging yahoo.com [66.94.234.13] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1696ms TTL=47
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1192ms TTL=47
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1332ms TTL=47
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1388ms TTL=48
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1188ms TTL=48
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=2897ms TTL=46
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1360ms TTL=47
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1464ms TTL=46
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1394ms TTL=47
Reply from 66.94.234.13: bytes=32 time=1140ms TTL=47

Ping statistics for 66.94.234.13:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 1140ms, Maximum = 2897ms, Average = 1505ms
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
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Miami, FL
·Speakeasy

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

Well buddy because I live in the city, and just 8 miles from downtown yet I can't get super speeds of even 3.0mbps. I live in the city yet I get treated like someone in the suburbs that's my point.

I don't need to post ping tests because that's irrelevant to my point of this conversation. Now if you tried I congratulate you. Most people bitch and moan without first giving it a shot themselves.

The second point I am trying to make it simply costs too much damn money even if the customer was willing to pay. Although I can probably afford such a thing as a LSC the rights I was given to my property made no sense. I would get access obviously but if I cancel the equipment is there's.

On top of that I am fine with 1.5mbps/768 and I plan to move over to Sprint EV-DO Rev A network in August when my contract is up. My ISP knows I want to cancel and out of courtesy and kindness which is usually something I don't deserve dropped my bill more than it usually is.

I am paying for a 1.5/384 yet my pipe at the LSC is a 1.5/768 and today I was given 25 dollars in credit and gave me one whole month free.

My ISP has even gone far enough to ask if I was willing to invest in buying a fiber line and setting up a AP for the community and I can charge customers that way while providing them with customers and possibly a last mile.

That's my ISP asking me.

But hey if I where you I would not move and instead start looking in the price of sending a copper line from point A to point B and you dig the hole to lay the wire. If I remember correctly some BBR members did this for comcast.

If you want broadband so bad you will find a way though. I am not here to argue with you but tell you the reality of it. I know satellite sucks I used it myself, but that's basically your lifeline right now use that to your advantage.
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Siryak

join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

I am not here to argue with you either. The reason I got so defensive is, even if you weren't trying to, it kinda sounded like you were just saying crap on the rural folks they don't matter. But I can now see that I "misinterpreted". Anyway having copper to my house is not a problem. I just need a CO close enough. I have the line just not a box closest enough to serve it.

Anyway on the switching to EVDO thing. I would not recommend it. You will probably get less speed than what you are currently getting and I know you will not get 768k upload. Also the ping times are probably better and the connection is more stable on your DSL connection. I am personally looking into EVDO, Sprint has just not upgraded my area yet. But personally if I were you I would stick with the DSL.
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n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online


edit:
February 4th, @09:30PM

said by Siryak :

So I am supposed to change my whole lifestyle and move just to get decent internet service? Seriously that has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
Well that is MY only option if I want lower taxes, lower crime, less pollution and more open space. It seems only fair that there should disadvantages to leaving such as poor to non-existant broadband. If broadband is the most important thing to you over everything else then yes, moving to get should be a serious option.
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Huntsville, AL
·Comcast


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February 2nd, @08:45AM

said by Siryak See Profile :

I don't want a 50mbps fiber optic line. Just the technology that you have had for YEARS.
If you lived in bellsouth territory, you could live in a pretty good size city and still be waiting on any kind of DSL. DSL has only been available in large areas for a few years, and is still not available in all areas of many towns/citys.
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog

join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY


handcream will get you through times of no broadband better then broadband will get you through no hand cream.
said by Siryak See Profile :

Basically there is me and my computer.
You are forgetting something, your right, or left hand.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

said by Michieru See Profile :

Ever considered the bowling alley or maybe some go-karts and ride your ass off all day? Or maybe instead of gaming all day with those shooting game actually get yourself a license buy yourself and shoot yourself some discs of the backstreet boys in the air or maybe a duck for dinner?

Although you may not have broadband in your area you can setup large parties and drive down the highway in a line playing some loud music and everyone having a blast only to have a bigger blast on a super fast connection with hundreds of local gamers from the community.

EDIT: Also forgot to say but maybe you want to buy yourself a good router and install a nice omni directional antenna so you can game with your neighbor across the street or something.

When I think boonies I think freedom to roam hell screw broadband let's jump off a damn cell tower. Yeehaw!
Anyone considered cellphone internet in the boonies? about 60-130kbitps sustained depending on provider for non-3G systems, and latency is same as dialup.

Also for all you gamers, why dont you get some balls and crawl out of your basement and go into a paintball match and we will see how good your gaming skills really are. Or since you gamers love killing and hunting, go into army and you'll be working the beat in Iraq, most real FPS on earth.
Nuts

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

I just got cellphone internet. Works great, when it stays connected for more than 10 seconds at a time.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY


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February 2nd, @03:55PM

Re: Satellite Sucks!!!

said by Nuts See Profile :

I just got cellphone internet. Works great, when it stays connected for more than 10 seconds at a time.
Stream internet radio for hours, web pages are much more tolerable than 21kbs dialup, window updates runs around 120kbits (rural area, Verizon 1X/NationalAccess).

Im going to pretend EVDO doesnt exist in rural areas, but some rural areas are starting to get EVDO service from various carriers.

MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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League City, TX
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Move? Broadband is a luxury not a necessity for residential areas and in rural areas. If they want it then the town should save money up to purchase a fiber line for the whole community I don't want to pay extra to my cable company that wont even use it for them anyways.
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Dezbend
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said by Siryak See Profile :

But there are plenty of people out there that need it for other reasons.
I think the fact that rural subsidization is/may be needed argues against the claim that there are plenty of people "out there" at all.
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Jonbo298

join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA

So much for...

Bush's proposal to make broadband more affordable. If you want broadband, move closer to a city. Otherwise, you want to be rural and away from the noise, so don't expect the same treatment from companies who will earn little to no profit from you unless you want to shove thousands in their pocket each month.

Grandma and Grandpa who want to be away from all that noise of the city, they can deal with dialup. If they want a faster connection, shell out the cash for Sattelite, convincing the phone company to setup a Remote Terminal (and Grandma and Grandpa absorb the cost of it) or move to the city. Otherwise, quit complaining.

Flame away!

halfband
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Huntsville, AL

Re: So much for...

So when do we get a subsidy fund to provide more lakes and parks in the city?
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast

Re: So much for...

said by halfband See Profile :

So when do we get a subsidy fund to provide more lakes and parks in the city?
You probably already pay one in the form of an open space initiative.
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halfband
Premium
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Huntsville, AL

Re: So much for...

But I think we need more parks. Shouldn't those who live around wide open spaces in rural areas have to fund the building of parks here?
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Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
I live in a county that has million dollar homes all along every inch of water front. NO broadband..and these folks are millionaires. They seem to not give a crap about broadband. Works for me.
madrhino

join:2004-07-03
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast

Trade off

This comes up all the time.If you choose to live in an unpopulated area you don't have a lot of the good and bad things that come with cities.
If I can hunt and fish on your land I'll subsidize your broadband,OK?
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AmnChode
Premium
join:2001-03-27
San Antonio, TX

Re: Trade off

Well..I kinda like the concept of, "When I can fire my pistol in my backyard, you can have the ammenities of the city" ...

Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Panama City, FL

Re: Trade off

Not exactly the same thing. If you click on the wrong link, your neighbor doesnt end up with a new hole in his/her house/body.

A better analogy would be that when you can have a nude rock concert in your yard...

TScheisskopf
World News Trust

join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
·Sprint Broadband D..


edit:
February 1st, @06:03PM

I wouldn't have a problem with it...

If they just fixed the damn USF and stopped it from being executive and accountant play money. If they did that, made sure that the money was tightly earmarked, then the present USF would likely cover most, if not all, of the BB buildout action. Especially since it's fungible.

Note: I ain't rich, either.

One more thing: Are there any bigger sluts for government handouts than the telcos and cablecos?

major marco
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Re: I wouldn't have a problem with it...

said by TScheisskopf See Profile :

Are there any bigger sluts for government handouts than the telcos and cablecos?
Just big oil and the airlines.
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LilYoda
Feline with squirel personality disorder
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Mountains

edit:
February 2nd, @06:29AM

Re: I wouldn't have a problem with it...

Automobile companies and pharmaceuticals maybe?

RR99i
FINALLY, Got Broadband

join:2003-03-18
Anderson, IN
·NDWave Wireless

Maybe someday, I still have to wait.

I live about 18,200 feet from my CO. Which is in my local town, Perkinsville, IN. I had a Verizon tech come out, to make sure everything was ok. My phone line signals were great. I told him about when DSL would be in this area. He said there are quite a few people in Perkinsville that use Internet. I know my neighbor down my road, close to the CO. She has Directway. I know the dish by heart, so they're in need of speed. The only step that needs to be taken. Is to put the equipment in the CO. Then, I should be able to get DSL.

I've been waiting for broadband in this area for two and a half years. That's how long I've been out here. I've heard stories from my uncle (which lives 1/2 mile from me). We would get Cable out here. But from what I'm thinking, could be 1-2 years. I don't know, all I can do is wait. Last, hope that the Verizon tech spreads the word around.
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rradina

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Chesterfield, MO
·Charter Pipeline
·Vonage


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February 1st, @07:52PM

Re: Maybe someday, I still have to wait.

I live very close to the population center of the St. Louis metropolitan area. I'm about 19,000 feet from my CO that has DSL equipment. They've been saying I'll get DSL since 1998. Still no DSL, too far from the CO. Of course there are three other COs on the map that are much closer to me but the wires from my house don't go to them...

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast

Enough is Enough!

How many more damn subsidies do we have to keep paying for people to live in the middle of nowhere? We pay subsidies for farming, to the point that farmers are paid to not grow things. We pay subsidies on our electric bills to light up rural areas. We pay fees on our phone bills so that people far away can have service. When does it end?

This sort of thing always reminds me of the idiots who move to the middle of nowhere thinking they will enjoy the "good life" before they realize they are many miles away from the nearest civilization. They then complain about that!

Ugh. Enough is enough!
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ
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One system, one policy, universal service.

Theodore Newton Vail convinced President Woodrow Wilson that the telephone as a medium of communication would spread more rapidly if it was brought under one monopoly so as to ensure uniform provision of services throughout the country.

Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch.

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amungus
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America
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·Cox HSI

unreal

Just unreal. Seriously, "rural" broadband isn't as difficult as so many people make it out to be.

Check this out: »www.wamtelco.com/
Or, google earth "Wamego KS" and check it out (not hi-res).

I know people MILES away from the (SMALL) town who not only get reliable DSL, but TV. Pretty sure it's IPTV, the box they had hooked into the TV looked VERY small and seemed to have a phone line connected... didn't notice any coax...

If these people can do it, what's stopping others?

I was out at a friend's dad's place the other day. About 4-5 miles south of Wamego, and they had crystal clear TV, decent DSL, ...and a telephone or two. I mean, this is "rural" property as in 80 acres of land, well enough away from the nearest town.
I know there are much more isolated locations and all, but if this little town can service their surrounding area this well, I think it's a shame others can't/don't/won't.

...This all seems like a perfect example of gov't money going to "nowhere" and probably funding the spooks who feel it's best to just vacuum up all communications and sort through it all later.... just my 2 cents.

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EvilMoose

join:2003-02-26
Urbana, IL

Can we get an audit of the USF?

An audit would be nice. Nobody knows where the phone one goes to and probably no one knows where the broadband one goes to.
rx7freak

join:2004-09-21
Tulsa, OK

employee rates rock.

I get 12mbps for 16 dollars a month. It wont change, either.

Siryak

join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue

Re: employee rates rock.

said by rx7freak See Profile :

I get 12mbps for 16 dollars a month. It wont change, either.
I get 1.5mbps(sometimes) for $80 a month. It WILL change.
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yipeee

@optonline.net

Wow, $7 BILLION a year!

Nothing like free nontaxable money. That's enough to build Verizon's FiOS network to over 2.3 million rural households in a year. I'm not saying give Verizon that much money (they already had enough tax breaks based on broken promises in the past) but give the municipalities the money to develop the network. Once every hick has fiber to the farm there won't be a need for the USF anymore. Creates new jobs, new income levels, new stores, overall brings a little economic prosperity into rural areas.

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Wow, $7 BILLION a year!

said by yipeee :

Nothing like free nontaxable money. That's enough to build Verizon's FiOS network to over 2.3 million rural households in a year. I'm not saying give Verizon that much money (they already had enough tax breaks based on broken promises in the past) but give the municipalities the money to develop the network. Once every hick has fiber to the farm there won't be a need for the USF anymore. Creates new jobs, new income levels, new stores, overall brings a little economic prosperity into rural areas.
Now there you go again Jim. Verizon doesn't want to serve rural areas any more then you do. Verizon is selling rural areas.

RIRWIN1983

join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH
I thing you just coined a new term: FTTF, Fiber to the Farm. Which sounds alot better than FTTO Fiber to the Outhouse.
dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN