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Sort of, MVNOs need to offer it -- and nobody knows if it works...
12:16PM Monday Jul 06 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: prices · competition · business · alternatives · bandwidth · networking · consumers · wireless
A new carrier by the name of Zer01 Mobile went live last week, offering unlimited voice and data on smart phones for $69.95/month, without a contract. The catch? The service is using a VoIP application to route all calls, and you can only get the service once an MVNO starts offering it. The Zero1 service tunnels over GSM networks, but the the carrier has their own IP network -- and is using interconnect (roaming) agreements to make calls. Technically, that makes Zer01 a mobile virtual network enabler (MVNE).

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"We are the first mobile service to offer consumers a true national unlimited voice, data and Internet plan without any contracts or commitments that is priced affordably at only $69.95 per month with taxes and fees included," crows Zer01 Mobile CEO Ben Piilani.

"We have licensed patent pending proprietary technology that allows each smart phone user to make voice calls or transmit data efficiently by bypassing carrier circuit-switched channels by sending voice communications through a VoIP system and onto a virtual private network that accesses the Internet," explains the CEO. The company goes on to claim they've got some kind of QOS software mojo to help deal with jitter, latency, or say -- being stuck on a poky EDGE connection. Additional details aren't being divulged.

Whether that actually works won't be seen until customers can actually get their hands on it, and until that happens -- it's wise to remain skeptical. So far they've announced no MVNO partners, though they insist that there are announcements forthcoming. We asked AT&T what they thought about the idea (since it's their network they'll primarily be riding on), and were told "we can’t comment on the business models of other carriers."

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baineschile
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Sorry

Sticking it out with Verizon; at least until we get word on the 2010 iPhone deal.
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Re: Sorry

I fear that word is going to be "NFW" from Apple after Verizon can't resist the temptation to start demanding that the device be wounded -- as every other lousy phone I've had from Verizon.

Seriously, I would love to see it, and given Verizon's awesome network, it would be ideal. But Verizon is a control freak.
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Re: Sorry

Near Field Wildcat?

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Near Field Wildcat?
No F**in Way.
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oh. Grazie.

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so whats the difference?

If metropcs already offers smartphone capability for $50 dollars a month, what makes them different? is it nationwide capability?
Your20G

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Re: so whats the difference?

This service will be nationwide, right now one of the distribution channels, are ordering different kinds of smart phones,
with technology embedded into the handset.

About August 2 forms of products will be available
one will be the Sim card, that will be able to
work on unlocked phones, running Windows mobile six or above.

shortly after, you can use android, or other O/S

Or by six different models between $200 and $600
depending on what features you want.

The company found a way to tunnel through AT&T data network
by signing interconnecting contracts with them,

I also believe T-Mobile is part of the interconnecting contracts
but have not been able to verify this yet.

The bandwidth on the data network which is 99.9%
IP will have speeds starting at the EDGE technology
at about 300 to 500 kilobits per second nationwide.

In the area where there 3G it should be around 10 gigabits
or even 20 gigabits per second
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Re: so whats the difference?

Gigabits? Shaaaa-right!

On AT&T's network, EDGE gets you about 144 kbps and 3G is good for maybe a megabit.

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Re: so whats the difference?

said by clickie See Profile :

Gigabits? Shaaaa-right!

On AT&T's network, EDGE gets you about 144 kbps and 3G is good for maybe a megabit.
I think he's talking about the backhaul connections, or the connection that goes into the towers.
Your20G

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Re: so whats the difference?

There are telling me I will be able to use 6 way videoconferencing
on my 137 traveler, and connect my laptop and have unlimited calling in the United States, Canada, Australia Puerto Rico

Because I live in a rural area I would be happy with two-way
videoconferencing, high-speed Internet, and unlimited calling
but I plan on traveling,

I will let everybody know exactly what's going on
the marketing division is getting hammered, and
I don't know how long it's going to take, before they can
synchronized their processes ,

But it will keep everybody posted to the best of my knowledge
even if it's bad news

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Re: so whats the difference?

said by Your20G See Profile :

There are telling me I will be able to use 6 way videoconferencing
on my 137 traveler, and connect my laptop and have unlimited calling in the United States, Canada, Australia Puerto Rico

Because I live in a rural area I would be happy with two-way
videoconferencing, high-speed Internet, and unlimited calling
but I plan on traveling,

I will let everybody know exactly what's going on
the marketing division is getting hammered, and
I don't know how long it's going to take, before they can
synchronized their processes ,

But it will keep everybody posted to the best of my knowledge
even if it's bad news
I understand that right now only affiliates can get their hands on a device soon, so you will be selling their services also?
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Re: so whats the difference?

I don't know yet, depends if products and services
work the way they are supposed to.

I signed up so I could get my hands on the technology
to see if it's really true.

some buying a unlocked smart phone I can just put
a difference Sim card from a different carrier
iansltx

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Buzzirk Mobile is a reseller/MVNO. They should be sending me...or they said they'd be sending me...a demo unit of the service. Hopefully it's a smartphone and not a SIM...my Touch Pro is on Sprint.

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Re: so whats the difference?

said by iansltx See Profile :

Buzzirk Mobile is a reseller/MVNO. They should be sending me...or they said they'd be sending me...a demo unit of the service. Hopefully it's a smartphone and not a SIM...my Touch Pro is on Sprint.
Good luck with that.
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Re: so whats the difference?

I'll post back with my findings.
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If You have an unlocked phone than you should be fine, but if you need want to have all the benefits an your phone i recommended you buy it from Buzzirk Mobile. For More info visit
www.mygvbiz.com/infobuzz

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So not to beat a dead horse but what do you have to say now?

Launch soon or toast for lunch?

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Interesting...

I'd like to see this in action. In particular, I'd like to see how they're dealing with latency and jitter if the voice is being packetized and sent over IP.

My guess is that it's vaporware. Or at the very least they're a little ahead of their time and don't have everything nailed down quite yet.

Either way...this sort of thing has a lot of potential on the carrier end of things rather than the customer facing side.

If providers could just run a mobile data network and pipe voice over it along with all other data apps then that's a much preferred way of doing things rather than running a separate voice network like all the mobile providers currently do.
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Re: Interesting...

I should have my traveler 137 with the software embedded
by the end of this month and will give you
all the information, I can regarding the software,
and bandwidth speeds I live in the area where we can only get
EDGE technology it's going to be interesting to see
how good the technology is

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I should have my traveler 137 with the software embedded
by the end of this month and will give you
all the information, I can regarding the software,
and bandwidth speeds I live in the area where we can only get
EDGE technology it's going to be interesting to see
how good the technology is
Where do you live?
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3 edits

UTGI is corporate parent - around since 2003

Sounds like the company driving this is UTGI, which acts like a consulting company in various industries, including communications.
»www.zer01mobile.com/investors.php
»english.utg-inc.net/Home.html

And their previous involvement in communications doesn't sound very promising - it was in Broadband Over Power Line(BPL) support.
»english.utg-inc.net/Directory.html

Checking on web sites and for news finds an organization with little info available. I wouldn't hold my breath on how many MVNO's will sign up for their services, if any.

One of their previous VOIP attempts:
»english.utg-inc.net/news/VoIP_News.html

Also this story indicates this is being run as a Multi-Level-Marketing (MLM) scheme. Check out the comments:
»news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10277712-1.html

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Hmm...

Mark Petschel is a major part of this. Search for "mark petschel securities fraud" to get an idea about his past. No, he wasn't convicted, but come on. Also, the marketing behind it is an MLM setup. IOW, it's all vaporware until proven otherwise.
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Re: Hmm...

said by lolwhat See Profile :

Mark Petschel is a major part of this. Search for "mark petschel securities fraud" to get an idea about his past. No, he wasn't convicted, but come on. Also, the marketing behind it is an MLM setup. IOW, it's all vaporware until proven otherwise.
This whole thing screams SCAM
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Re: Hmm...

said by chris See Profile :

said by lolwhat See Profile :

Mark Petschel is a major part of this. Search for "mark petschel securities fraud" to get an idea about his past. No, he wasn't convicted, but come on. Also, the marketing behind it is an MLM setup. IOW, it's all vaporware until proven otherwise.
This whole thing screams SCAM
Its not, check out Google's latest product. »www.google.com/tisp/install.html

jdAZ

GSM

"MVNO (like Boost Mobile or MetroPCS)"

Neither of those networks use GSM, MetroPCS has their own towers so they aren't a MVNO. Boost probably is technically but they are owned by Sprint and use the Sprint iden network.
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Hmm...

I may have to keep an eye on this, my contract end next year and unlimited mobile internet sounds VERY good to me.

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VOIP Over EDGE? Puhleeze.

Once, awhile back I looked into VOIP over Mobile Internet.

Using G.711 u-law, 1GB of data transfer would give you just over 1,600 minutes of talking. So caps aren't an issue if it's strictly voice.

However, the latency is killer. From what I recall, latency is far too high to use VOIP, and that's on EDGE. With 3G or EVDO Rev. A, maybe the latency would be low enough. But, most areas don't have 3G or EVDO Rev. A. Some areas don't even have EDGE. I've been in areas where GPRS was all that was available.

OK, so maybe if the phone has sufficient processing power, some compression may be able to take place to reduce the amount of data transfer rate that's needed. But nothing can be done about latency short of upgrading the network. And somehow, I don't see 3G coming out to Dinkyville, WY pop. 200.

So nationwide coverage with VOIP on a mobile phone, with the current infrastructure, is impossible.
Your20G

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Re: VOIP Over EDGE? Puhleeze.

about six years ago I came across a company called 3WTel
and did an experiment using EDGE through my Laptop
and a soft Phone from 3WTel my connection speed was 28kps

I was able to have a two-way conversation better than cell phone quality at the same time, connecting one person back East and one-person back west plus myself.

as long as I didn't refresh my page the quality was
very good that technology was used for people on dial-up.
I believe people can still buy that product.

but I don't know it's been a long time, the inventors
were in Ireland
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EvDO Rev. A can do VoIP just fine. I've used it plenty for that purpose.

Of course, while Rev. A is decent in quality and coverage, AT&T 3G isn't. Well, quality is okay but coverage is still lacking.

VoIP over EDGE though? Probably not, though AT&T does have EDGE pretty well rolled out by now.

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Garbage....

Do some searching on Buzzirk and E-Verge which is a MLM company and you will do well to stay far away. They are trying to sell 5G services! Please...

»www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=118143

»74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dbo···nk&gl=us

»mail.scam.com/showthread.php?p=774815
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I'd Rather do a Tracfone

Now that they announced their $45.00 unlimited plan, why pay $70?

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Close to vaporware

Doing voice over our current pokey packet switched wireless networks won't work very well.. just imagine voice over EDGE.. should be pretty awful if it works at all. Which leaves you with an 'unlimited' data plan for $70/month.. but that sounds hardly revolutionary.

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said by bartolo5 See Profile :

Doing voice over our current pokey packet switched wireless networks won't work very well.. just imagine voice over EDGE.. should be pretty awful if it works at all. Which leaves you with an 'unlimited' data plan for $70/month.. but that sounds hardly revolutionary.
I use Skype over Alltel's EVDO Rev 0 network all the time. The only time it drops, of course, is when I drive from one system into another and my mobile IP changes, which is understandable. Skype automatically relinks to Skype, but you must recall your party.

I've used Skype on 1XATT data circuits. It's fine as long as nothing else, like email downloading, tries to share, which makes it skip, of course, as we run out of data.

Skype has worked for years over Alltel EVDO with great success. It DOES work much better if you USB tether your netbook/laptop to the modemphone, rather than use the balky Bluetooth DUN, especially in areas of high bluetooth usage by earphones, etc. Bluetooth drops thruput to half or less....
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I signed up to be a MLM rep.

I have been hearing about this for a few weeks and have seen a load of information. IN my email that I havent had time to digest. I understand the upper levels of the pryamid will be getting them anytime now if they dont all ready have them. I am allready in line to get one/.
sergetahij

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Re: I signed up to be a MLM rep.

I sign up too, and hows your line going?
www.mygvbiz.com/infobuzz

unlimitedplan479

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to the nay sayers

To all the nay sayers who say it can't be done. Sorry but it's done. They've already won awards for their technology. It's hard to win an award for something that cannot be done

throwawaybob

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Re: to the nay sayers

You've got to be kidding! What technology? They can't even provide evidence that they've even filed the patents yet!
SysOp

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Magic Jack for Cell phones!

It looks like the same idea behind Magic Jack.

Very interesting concept.
steveljohn8

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Re: Magic Jack for Cell phones!

It a Nice Concept.Every Cellular Company should give such types of Promotions to there Customer
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