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| Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy said by Millenniumle  :The same can be said of ISP's. and google, and yahoo, and windows for letting you play pirated material, and parents, and and and....
why stop at universities
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| said by LiamJunket :Schools that ignore rampant piracy thru their school's computer networks should be penalized. They have the ability to firewall their systems(just like any corporation does). And failure to do so should be taken in to account when gov't funding is handed out. I completely disagree. Schools, and ISP's for that matter, have no business policing the traffic that passes through their networks any more than makers of alcohol have a responsibility to ensure that no one that consumes their products proceeds to climb behind the steering wheel of a car afterwards. That's what law enforcement is for, plain and simple.
Further, I take issue with how you trivialize the process involved in tracking P2P offenders; just because an institution has a firewall doesn't mean the activities of their users are trackable in any easy way. In my experience, a great deal of effort has to be made when reacting to DMCA complaints. The original complaint has to be documented, and responded to. The DHCP logs have to be searched for a user corresponding to the dates the supposed infringement took place. The user has to be contacted. The original complainant has to be notified that you have warned the supposed infringer. This cycle goes on and on endlessly, and is why larger ISP's now have entire departments dedicated to nothing but responding to DMCA complaints. Schools would have to expand their IT departments, and who is going to pay for that? Why should the honest students be forced to subsidize DMCA investigations when they're already (over)paying ridiculous tuition costs?
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1 edit | While they are at it, how about raiding the dorm rooms of students suspected of the underage consumption of alcohol. Let's start requiring drug tests before enrollment, since that's what corporations do. And better start locking up those evildoers that kidnap the opponent's mascot before the homecoming game. Hey, textbooks are copyrighted aren't they? We better stop any of those BAD kids from giving their textbook to a friend who has the class next semester. In fact, let's Deputize all of the prof's, and any student suspected of peeking at another students paper during an exam could be hauled away to do 10-20, like they deserve. THEY ARE OUR GODDAMN CHILDREN, AND OUR FUTURE. THEY ARE KIDS!! They make the wrong choice more often than even adults, which is sometimes hard to believe.
No, this law is even better, we will punish ALL of the little creeps, not just the ones who have committed the heinous crime of letting a friend listen to music they enjoy. I guess you never went to college, because if you did you would remember that we all recorded our vinyl onto cassettes and shared them. Otherwise I would have listened to the same 10 albums for four years. I lived on $25 spending money, per week, for 4 years. That included groceries. My first two years I earned that money by being a night watchman in a woman's dorm, one night a week from midnight till 7 AM, and one night a week from midnight till 3 AM. Then I went to class the next day. My last two years I earned that money by grading homework, sometimes for classes I was currently taking. Give these kids a break!
This is, without a doubt, the stupidest, greediest, most short-sighted bill that I have ever heard of, in my life. And they have the unmitigated gall of calling it the "College Opportunity and Affordability Act of 2007".
"Such an extraordinarily inappropriate and punitive outcome would result in all students on that campus losing their federal financial aid--including Pell grants and student loans that are essential to their ability to attend college, advance their education, and acquire the skills necessary to compete in the 21st-century economy," a letter from university officials to Congress written on Wednesday said. "Lower-income students, those most in need of federal financial aid, would be harmed most under the entertainment industry's proposal."
The letter was signed by the chancellor of the University of Maryland system, the president of Stanford University, the general counsel of Yale University, and the president of Penn State. | |
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| Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy said by backness :please go back and read the first line Here is the 1st line, and I read it the 1st time:
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1 edit | Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy ok... not bad.. half way there...
now read about the bill
»www.news.com/Democrats-Colleges-···ubj=news
.... and tell me... Do RIAA/MPAA approved boxes have the potential to interfere with legitimate content or could it be considerer "undue or unreasonable interference"?
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| Bye HCT. I shouldn't have shot my mouth off, because I wouldn't harass anyone here. That would be as stupid as this bill, punish everyone for the acts of a few (or one). You really don't matter, anyway. What I will do is write a more level-headed letter, to the House Majority Leader, and figure out how to give anyone here that wants to an opportunity to sign it. That, at least, may help. I will now help my own blood pressure by putting you on ignore. | |
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| Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy said by mikenolan7 :Bye HCT. [snipped post text] I will now help my own blood pressure by putting you on ignore. Joining Broadband Reports: Free
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| said by mikenolan7 :not just the ones who have committed the heinous crime of letting a friend listen to music they enjoy. I know you're not that stupid. NO ONE, even the RIAA, gives a rat's arse about some kid "letting a friend" listen to music. As a matter of fact, the RIAA members have always loved this type of "viral marketing".
But you know full well that's not happening. It's not "letting a friend" listen to music. It's letting 4 or 5 billion "friends" listen to it, by publishing it for free, worldwide distribution on the internet. It's about completely reducing the market value of an artist's creation to zero, by effectively eliminating the market. In other words, this is something completely different from giving 2-3 friends copies of a cassette. | |
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| said by mikenolan7 :Hey, textbooks are copyrighted aren't they? We better stop any of those BAD kids from giving their textbook to a friend who has the class next semester. Sorry. That action falls under the "Right of First Sale" doctrine. IOW: Once I buy it, I can give the book away or sell it. The copyright only says I can not use a copying machine to create another copy and then give the copy to the friend (or give the book to the friend while I keep the copy). | |
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| Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy said by RARPSL :said by mikenolan7 :Hey, textbooks are copyrighted aren't they? We better stop any of those BAD kids from giving their textbook to a friend who has the class next semester. Sorry. That action falls under the "Right of First Sale" doctrine. IOW: Once I buy it, I can give the book away or sell it. The copyright only says I can not use a copying machine to create another copy and then give the copy to the friend (or give the book to the friend while I keep the copy). Well we can go back to loaned/rented books.  Or I can make you sign a contract. Are you going to pay lawyers to sue me to try to break that contract (even tho it might be illegal)? "We insure textbook quality for students by giving them the latest each year". | |
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| said by mikenolan7 :.... This is, without a doubt, the stupidest, greediest, most short-sighted bill that I have ever heard of, in my life. And they have the unmitigated gall of calling it the "College Opportunity and Affordability Act of 2007".... It is rule #10. Welcome to Amerika, land of the Ferengi!
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26 | You're right! They should just hire a person to sit and watch each and every person that uses the internet to make sure he is not pirating music!(sarcasm)
It is not the Universities job to fight the RIAA's battles. | |
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1 edit | Actually, most universities and colleges do have firewalls in place. I know mine does. Still, it is not the responsibility of the colleges to play traffic cops with the students on their network. On top of that they don't have the resources to even do so. At best, they have the resources to do passive enforcement of their network and it's the best way to do it given that there may be thousands of students on the network at any given time.
All this does is burden the students more with higher costs because they are the ones who will be paying for the extra resources the public universities and colleges will be forced to do when they have to monitor every student that access their network and watch everything that they do.
Oh, and comparing corporations to non-profit organizations, as most public colleges and universities are, is like comparing apples to oranges. | |
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| said by LiamJunket :Schools that ignore rampant piracy thru their school's computer networks should be penalized. I tend to agree. Let's face it, universities have tended to be the biggest facilitators of IPR theft. The orignal Napster was practically synonymous with "dorm room dweller".
When a significant portion of a university's computing resources (like about 40-50%) are consumed by illegal activities, a university can't simply say, "we didn't know, and even if we did it's not our problem". Now I'm not saying they should be liable for every single act by a student, but at the current level, it clearly qualifies as gross negligence on their part. And if you're negligent long enough, the "chickens will eventually come home to roost", and the Power That Be will step in and stop you from continuing.
It's not just music. Universities routinely disregard the IPR rights of others. I know anonymous college ftp sites, that contain complete texts of industry standards and other documents; documents one normally must pay >$100 per copy to obtain legitimately. But some "information must be free" ivory tower type thinks it's OK to just make them available for free, worldwide download.
Of course, it doesn't work the other way around. Colleges more and more are filing patents on every little invention their research uncovers. And they're quick to sue any infringer who doesn't pay up. When it comes to their own IPR, what's good for the goose is most definitely not good for the gander. | |
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| Re: Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy said by PDXPLT :Of course, it doesn't work the other way around. Colleges more and more are filing patents on every little invention their research uncovers. And they're quick to sue any infringer who doesn't pay up. When it comes to their own IPR, what's good for the goose is most definitely not good for the gander. Good point. They make money on IPR, but don't think others should have the same rights.
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| No university would allow 40-50% of their traffic to be taken up by pirates, because they can afford it far less than the telcos can. They have to budget every penny. If it was taking up a significant chunk of their bandwidth, they would police it themselves. I know this because I spent 6 years on the Industrial Professional Advisory Committee for the Aerospace Engineering Department at Penn St. I traveled from LA to Penn St. twice a year to spend two days helping the department improve the curriculum to better support industry. My company paid for my travel, and paid my full salary while I was there. There were 7 other executives and professors on that board that flew/drove in from around the country to do the same, and every Engineering Department at Penn St. has such a board.
On the night between the two days of meetings I taught a one night seminar on satellite design, and stayed and answered questions from students about what career opportunities were out there. Since it was in the evening, the department always made sure there were pizzas there for all of the students, a few prof's that usually came, and me. This is relevant because in one of our reviews I saw the price of those pizzas detailed out in the departments budget for the next year. That is how close universities have to watch their money. It took a 15 minute argument with the Department Head before he would allow me to bill the pizzas back to my employer, a drop in the bucket in my travel expense, that I wouldn't even have to itemize. No, I don't think that 40-50% of their bandwidth is being used by pirates, and that the universities know it.
Did my employer pay for this out of the kindness of their hearts? No, we lived and died by the quality of our recruits. I got input to the curriculum to stress areas we felt were lacking in the recruits. I got to know the students from the time they were Freshmen, instead of for a 30 minute interview during their senior year. And I was able to get candid recommendations from the professors when we were on the fence about hiring one. The students got free pizza, a view of how big aerospace companies worked, and help figuring out what they wanted to do when they graduated (probably listed in order of importance to them). It was a win/win situation for all involved, which the RIAA and MPAA could certainly learn a lesson from. Any effective negotiator seeks to find a win/win situation for all involved. Only fools think that they can "win" by making the other party lose. It might work once, maybe even twice, but pretty soon they will find themselves negotiating with themselves.
And I don't care if 99 out of every 100 students work for TPB. How dare you jeopardize the right of that 100th student to an education! That 100th student may go on to become a doctor, and save your life some day. I like my chances even better with all 100 getting an education.
That's where I get my facts from. Your 40-50% number smells like it came from somewhere else. | |
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| Schools should be praised for staying the hell out of something that isn't their business. Now go put the "dunce cap" on and sit in the corner. Don't speak up in class again unless you have something intelligent to contribute.
P2P is NOT piracy no matter what these monopolistic corporations want you to believe. Therefore schools really have nothing that they need to do.
The Corporations pushing the government to legitimize their claims through the back of passing new laws that contradict the language of the old ones, to give them what they want isn't the way to go either.
We need a roll back in this country...there was a certain point past which we didn't need anymore laws everything that really needed to be covered was...congress became a useless puppet of the corporations. | |
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| Stay the Course With the cost of gas rising, with tuition rates skyrocketing, and I'm sure the cost of beer has increased too over the past 10 years, this won't matter anyway. If piracy ended 100% right now, the RIAA would not see that big of an increase of revenue. There are more important things to spend money on.
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| Re: Stay the Course said by exocet_cm :said by texans20 :With the cost of gas rising, with tuition rates skyrocketing, and I'm sure the cost of beer has increased too over the past 10 years, this won't matter anyway. If piracy ended 100% right now, the RIAA would not see that big of an increase of revenue. There are more important things to spend money on. Then the RIAA would find something else to go after. They already want the US government to pass a law forcing each college student to subscribe to a service such as Napster.
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Park Hills, MO | Re: What is the difference.... I wonder if this will push universities to just close the school network to the dorms. Let them get dsl/cable and do what they wish. I'm not sure what sure how thats different though. | |
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4 edits | Re: What is the difference.... There is no difference and here's why.
The problem is even if they close the school network to the dorms and they have to get cable/DSL on their own the public colleges and universities still have to bear the costs of Napster subscriptions. The reason is that the bill does not distinguish between on and off campus students. This to me is where the real scam comes in play.
I am a student that goes to a public college. But I am an off campus student, like all other students that go to my college (my college does not have dorm facilities for students). I have a private cable connection and pay for it. I rarely use the college's network on site, mostly because I don't own a laptop. All my work and assignments I get and send to my instructors off site.
But from what I read about this bill, that is irrelevant because there is no distinction between off and on campus students. This will apply to ALL students when the public college and universities are forced to provide so called alternatives to us students. It's either that or I lose my financial aid. Oh did I forget to mention that this bill also applies to students who don't even have a personal computer of any kind what so ever? What about those exemptions?
I find this appalling and this is where the scam really comes in full circle. There should be exemptions to off campus students in the bill, and yet there are none. | |
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| Re: Anit-P2P said by gatorkram :I'll never understand how some of this stuff passes muster. Very simple technique involving large sacks of cash. | |
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Students can vote and should exercise their right to do so! | |
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| Re: P2P this Congress Oh I do vote and I am going to watch my representatives in congress about this issue. If they vote for it, they lost my vote for them come the next election. Plain and simple.
Unfortunately, when it comes to voting I am pretty much in the second largest minority who vote in elections.
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| said by captnhook :Come November any moron who supports this load and is running for reelection should be summarily removed from office by us voters. Students can vote and should exercise their right to do so! To be honest, as I really don't agree with this law as written (though I do not agree with pirating) I certainly will NOT vote against someone for one small personal issue.
When you make a choice in the voting booth you gotta take into consideration the candidate in a whole... not just because he supports penalizing schools. What if that candidate also was pro-other bills that would benefit us as a nation while his opponent was for raising taxes way out of hand? Was your music worth it?
.. answer yes, and there's no need for me to debate it ... again, I don't like this bill as written, and I don't like a lot of the candidates, but I'm not so emotional that I'll vote on one issue alone.
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| Re: P2P this Congress Well, for me it isn't one small personal issue. This issue for me as a student, will affect my pocketbook. If there is one thing voters do more than anything, is that they vote with their pocketbook.
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| said by fiberguy :said by captnhook :Come November any moron who supports this load and is running for reelection should be summarily removed from office by us voters. Students can vote and should exercise their right to do so! I certainly will NOT vote against someone for one small personal issue. As written it is simply a piece of legislation that is anti-file sharing not anti-piracy.
It was written by a special interest group and not by any legislator.
Most importantly it isn't a matter of a SMALL personal issue it IS a matter of you having your liberties and freedoms taken away from you and a good technology being undermined on campuses. | |
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| it clearly states they will hinder financial aid. “"The language in the bill appears to be clear that failure to carry out the mandates would make an institution ineligible for participation in at least some part of Title IV (which deals with federal financial aid programs)," Steven Worona, director of policy and networking programs for the group Educause, said..”
the "supporters of p2p" are right in what they are saying. Plus everyone is assuming that p2p is illegal. If you get a file from multiple sources as apposed one central place that should not be illegal. and to say that it is illegal is amazingly stupid.
How does it NOT say that they can lose some or all of financial aid. It DOES clearly state that it would hinder financial aid. and going to a school on the top 20 list of p2p offenders makes me worried. I should not have my financial aid in question at all because of p2p actions by myself or others. they do restrict title 4 aid for people who were caught with drug possession charges. Do we want to conentate p2p with drug use?
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| About time colleges got in touch with reality There is absolutely no reason colleges should allow Piracy. If they chose to do so then they should not get federal money. In addition all college staff who knowingly allow Piracy should be fired for tolerating crime they could prevent.
For those in denial, the message should be crystal clear. Society is not going to stand by and allow scumbag Pirates to steal. Every civilized society either has or is enacting laws to convict Pirates. The more Pirates that go to prison the better. If these people can't make better choices and live within the laws of society, then they don't deserve to be on the street
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| Re: About time colleges got in touch with reality mr "Buy A Clue" You are assuming p2p is ILLEGAL. If you stopped watching all the hyped up media programs and actually did academic research you would see it is not. You have a right ot your opinion but dont do broadly insinuating p2p=piracy. do highways=speeding so should you pay a monthly ticket because someone sped on the highway?
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| said by buyaclue :
TFor those in denial, the message should be crystal clear. The message that this bill has nothing to do with piracy and is nothing but government welfare for the content cartel really should be crystal clear. | |
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| The solution is from history Remember, there is a solution to this mess. It was used in the 1930's over in Europe. Just make everyone carry papers. That way, when you download something, the police can ask to see your papers, to verify if you have the right. But why stop there. I mean, if I'm driving down the road, and get pulled over, the cop has no right to look in my trunk if I don't have access to it from the car. I mean, I could have copied CD's, or an external hard drive with pirated materials in there. What we need to do, is give the police the power to force you to open your trunk. I mean, that's the only way we can be sure to stop the 'terrrists' pirates, who could be trading media with their friends.
What congress doesn't realize, or doesn't care about, is that we've seen this type of government before. If you were in a certain country in the 1930's, you had to carry papers. That's the only way we can ensure that everyone follows the law.
Tying financial aid to anti-piracy is the logical choice. I mean, we don't want our kids to be free thinkers, we want them to be good little 'consumers'. College is nothing more than a breeding ground for radical ideas, which must be stopped at all cost.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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| mikenolan7
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| What about the ISP's? I did some digging, and found this presentation to the House Judiciary Committee by Dr. Graham Spanier, the President of Penn St.:
Peer to Peer Piracy on University Campuses: An Update
Graham B. Spanier
October 05, 2004
»president.psu.edu/testimony/arti···161.html
Now please point me to an ISP that has come within 100 miles of making this kind of effort to keep illegal traffic off their network. Yet who gets the new laws? Those without deep pockets. Note also that Dr. Spanier, and other educators, seek a solution by negotiating with all parties involved, not by lobbying self-serving laws into existence. They act against only the violators, not everyone. That is how they are able to get student leaders on their side. Wake up Hollywood. There is a better way.
Young people: if you want the right to share files, act together, find good leaders, and send them to the negotiating table. You are the biggest customers of the RIAA/MPAA. You have more power than you realize, but you must use it wisely. If you do, there will be someone there to negotiate with. Unilateral actions on your part will not get the result that you want, and would make you no better than those that attempt to act unilaterally against you. | |
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| Illegal content? The "content" the trade orgs are so worried about is illegal only because they got laws passed saying it was illegal. By no stretch of the imagination is this stuff illegal, immoral or unethical. Nobody is selling anything. Nobody is claiming they wrote somebodys song. But what the hell......as long as this stuff can be stopped, why stop there? Everybody "knows" porn is bad. So once the college has scared kids outa listening to music and watching movies, why not threaten their financing by forbidding porn. And pre-maritial sex. Once that problem is solved move on to dissent or insulting political figures. Sure you can do it... you just lose your college money. Use drugs? Drink beer? Use bad language? Well those are all bad things. If we can stop ya downloading music by zipping up the purse, lets do likewise for all inappropriate acts, thoughts and tendencies. Queer students? Smokers? Excess gasoline consumers? Follow the lead of the MPAA. Sure, you are free to do as you wish. But the govt. won't subsidise you.
And when the colleges feel the pinch because they have no students? What then? Who will the CIA and the FBI recruit? The hundred or so grads will all be clean white-shirted, short haired pure virgins who have never heard a metal lyric, seen a tit, drunk a beer or watched a movie. Should be a great ruling class eh? | |
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| Re: Illegal content? opungvp is correct on many fronts - constitutional law must always take precedence over property - this has been so since the taney court -
that notwithsatanding, the ability to build a live debian cd, send it out, get it back, make corrections to content, &c, is dependent upon servers being donated, and, to be honest, many colleges do this, or all of us leaving our torrents up to seed.
this argument taking place is the same argument, with different particulars, as Charles River Bridge.
the eternal quandry here is property versus liberty - every generation reared in properity argues for property rights superceding law.
all good wishes,
yazdzik | |
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House Moves Anti-p2p Bill Forward
Schools should be penalized for ignoring piracy
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